Author Topic: Rodgers and His Squad - Axeman/Innovator or Sculptor/Renovator? (Read 63406 times)

incredibleL4ever · « **Reply #80 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:44:03 PM »

I think we will leave Our Brendan work this one out himself. Sometimes a manager can see something in a player that others cant (e.g. Rafa & Lucas)

Bakez0151 · « **Reply #81 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:44:33 PM »

Quote from: T.Mills on May 30, 2012, 08:42:09 PM

Think Jordan will struggle if im honest.

I think he's ideal for him myself.

El_Pistolero · « **Reply #82 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:44:34 PM »

Quote from: T.Mills on May 30, 2012, 08:42:09 PM

Think Jordan will struggle if im honest.

Da fuq.

The lad will thrive in a passing/possession based side.

Red Genius · « **Reply #83 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:45:03 PM »

I think it's a bit early to be discussing this seeing as though he hasn't (yet) been announced and the fact that he's not met the squad yet.

However in terms of the pressure football, all the Rafa players should be familiar with the system, i reckon he'd be keen to have some more options out wide in terms of outlets and wingers. Other than that i'm not sure what he'd make of our squad without giving it a chance first.

Zlenpasha · « **Reply #84 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:45:10 PM »

Adam's problem is not his poor passing, it is his speed of thought and execution.

aka_da_saus · « **Reply #85 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:45:22 PM »

Quote from: T.Mills on May 30, 2012, 08:42:09 PM

Think Jordan will struggle if im honest.

haha

Renato · « **Reply #86 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:45:27 PM »

Quote from: T.Mills on May 30, 2012, 08:42:09 PM

Think Jordan will struggle if im honest.

blasphemy

LiverLuke · « **Reply #87 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:45:28 PM »

henderson will be the last person to struggle.

RedFromNZ · « **Reply #88 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:46:05 PM »

A great read: http://www.planetswans.co.uk/article/view/rodgers-praise-for-carroll

He clearly really rates Carroll.

RedFromNZ · « **Reply #89 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:47:02 PM »

http://www.planetswans.co.uk/article/view/rodgers-praise-for-carroll

^^ Above article Rodgers praises Andy Carroll and also says that he and Steve Clarke are in regular contact. From before our final game of the season.

T.Mills · « **Reply #90 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:47:16 PM »

Quote from: WhiteHeat on May 30, 2012, 08:41:44 PM

The thing with Adam is he can pass a ball, but he attempts the Hollywood option too often. He's the type of player I could see Rodgers try and instil his formula into.

I agree, I actually think he can be sculptured into a fine player for us, but according to the masses on here, hes over 25 so it will be impossible to develope his game further

Zlenpasha · « **Reply #91 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:47:29 PM »

Quote from: T.Mills on May 30, 2012, 08:42:09 PM

Think Jordan will struggle if im honest.

Strugle to contain from exploding into greatness?
I agree.

RedFromNZ · « **Reply #92 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:48:09 PM »

Lucas will be our most important player under Brendan, I forsee.

Dar · « **Reply #93 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:48:24 PM »

Quote from: Lord Roger Hunt on May 30, 2012, 08:35:45 PM

Skrtel?

Ya wha? no fecking chance

exiledintheusa · « **Reply #94 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:48:51 PM »

Quote from: T.Mills on May 30, 2012, 08:42:09 PM

Think Jordan will struggle if im honest.

Not in Tiki Taka he won't. The lad has so much natural ability he is going to thrive here. Forget Euro 2012, Lampard and Barry will struggle to get in the National team a year from now.

Tony18:5 · « **Reply #95 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:49:00 PM »

Quote from: Twelfth Man on May 30, 2012, 08:40:49 PM

Steven Gerrard. There I said it. Now I'm going to wash my mouth out with salt water.

T.Mills · « **Reply #96 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:49:35 PM »

Quote from: El_Pistolero on May 30, 2012, 08:44:34 PM

Da fuq.

The lad will thrive in a passing/possession based side.

Based on what?

From the little I've seen of Swansea, every player seems quiet comfortable on the ball and willing to recieve it in tight areas, I haven't seen that in Jordan yet to be honest.

Red Genius · « **Reply #97 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:50:30 PM »

Quote from: Zlenpasha on May 30, 2012, 08:47:29 PM

Strugle to contain from exploding into greatness?
I agree.

... i agree, ridiculous to think he wouldn't rate Henderson based on the fact his retention of the ball is generally very good, throw into the mix his work rate and enthusiasm to learn, he's a typical Rodgers player no?

smicer07 · « **Reply #98 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:50:52 PM »

Hope he tells Gerrard his best position is in the attacking areas and that he needs to stop thinking he can play every position in the same game.

edge · « **Reply #99 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:51:06 PM »

Quote from: Z e u s on May 30, 2012, 08:31:47 PM

Nor can I.

If Carragher does leave in one form or another - then Wisdom should go to fourth choice.

Reckon Wilson will have it before Wisdom, unless he's set for another loan.

Z e u s · « **Reply #100 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:51:42 PM »

Gerrard is probably the most complete player I have ever seen, he can play in any league, under any style and still thrive. He will be fine, will probably flourish.

I think Kuyt also might really suit the style. He has brilliant movement and keeps possession - I could see him stay now.

Maxi is another player who everyone assumes is going, but he should suit the style of football as well, a more possession based game.

Players like Suarez, Skrtel, Agger, Johnson, Lucas, Gerrard... will thrive under any style as they are complete players in their positions, with numerous strengths and few weaknesses.

Downing, Carragher and Adam are the three players who might struggle.

It's Jimmy Corkhill · « **Reply #101 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:52:43 PM »

Quote from: T.Mills on May 30, 2012, 08:49:35 PM

Based on what?

From the little I've seen of Swansea, every player seems quiet comfortable on the ball and willing to recieve it in tight areas, I haven't seen that in Jordan yet to be honest.

Eh? Seriously?

And in answer to the question, Gerrard, Adam and Carragher. Only one of those would have started next season anyway, hopefully. They can't recycle possession.

Les Willis · « **Reply #102 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:53:08 PM »

Carragher must be looking over his shoulder now. I've got a feeling Dirk will be off. I'm also not sure if Reina will stay.

kkjellquist · « **Reply #103 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:53:59 PM »

Gerrard and Henderson will thrive, along with many others.

Carra, Adam, Spearing....I suspect will struggle for consistent playing time.

Carroll is a HUGE question mark...he's not going anywhere, but I can't picture him in the "system"

MobileBayRed · « **Reply #104 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:54:46 PM »

I would add Enrique to the list. Rodgers likes attacking full backs. Enrique has shown he is very limited in an advanced role.

Crazynumber9 · « **Reply #105 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:55:04 PM »

New manager and new idea's but I do think our squad is in need of a bit of a clean out and give Rodgers money and time to get in the sort of players he wants.

Out
Carragher-high wages for an at best 3rd choice player now (ignoring off the field rumours)
Kuyt- similar to Carra
Maxi- Seems to be off anyway
Cole- decent guy but not good enough anymore
Aurelio-released
Adam-not solid enough to play in a high tempo team
Downing- talented but the man has next to no confidence in himself

In
Central midfielder
2 Wide players
Striker

Obviously thats simplistic and we will have injuries and the like to contend with, but its time we prioritize quality over quantity. If we have any gaps we fill them with the youngsters coming through like Wisdom, Sterling and Suso
Obviously Rodgers has an idea of who he will want and I hope

Z e u s · « **Reply #106 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:55:04 PM »

I aslo think someone like Suso might get promoted if he impresses Rodgers in pre season. He has the skill and is comfortable in possession.

Sterling and Suso could be first team squad members next season.

Rohit · « **Reply #107 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:55:59 PM »

Quote from: smicer07 on May 30, 2012, 08:50:52 PM

Hope he tells Gerrard his best position is in the attacking areas and that he needs to stop thinking he can play every position in the same game.

He needs to be instructed as he was under rafa to not drop deep unneccessarily and just use his movement in between the lines and let lucas and who ever plays next to him pick him out in pockets of space. This comes down to us get another top center mid though to allow us to control games.

Z e u s · « **Reply #108 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:56:56 PM »

Quote from: Dar on May 30, 2012, 08:54:31 PM

You laugh.

But Kuyt does have very good movement, he keeps the ball and off the ball he presses as well as anyone. Three attributes Rodgers clearly thinks are important.

Doubt he'll be a first team regular or anything, but is a good squad player to have around. The problem with Kuyt is he isn't a great individual player, but what he is a great team player. Torres and Gerrard benefitted from that under Benitez.

Asam · « **Reply #109 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:57:16 PM »

Quote from: robbie keane on May 30, 2012, 08:18:25 PM

I think Rodgers can challenge for top four with the current squad, a few tweaks in areas such as moving suarez wide and gerrard further forward will make a difference. He will address the cm problems and find a settled formation.
I don't think he will be afraid to give youth a chance and could see suso really developing in a Rodgers team as well as sterling.

If he chooses to stregthen then I would expect him to look at dm cover, a wide/am option and a goal scorer. All will no doubt have technical ability and I hope he can be shrewd.

Not sure that is realistic, we'll have to judge at the end of the summer

In one season:

We're probably not going to build a better forward line than Chelsea or Man City
we're not going to build a stronger team unit than United with the winning mentality that is now part of their DNA
We're probably not going to keep the ball better than Arsenal
We're probably not going to be as good on the break as Spurs with Bale, Lennon, Adebayor & Modric

In a nutshell, we need to find a competitive advantage that other teams will not be able to replicate easily, certainly not within the course of a season

So what are the levers/buttons we can play with?

A) tactics/formations - seems to be a Rawk favourite :-), ask yourself is it realistic for us to challenge playing 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 when other teams have better players/squad depth + very good managers? perhaps we have to do something different?

Arsenal did it in the 90s with Petit & Viera defining what the modern central midfielder would look like for the next 10 years, funnily enough Yaya Toure was one of Man City's most important players in 2012, it's simply very difficult to stop that type of player.

chelsea did it with the midfield diamond powerhouse that was Jose's second season

Rafa did it with Valencia

Barca did it with the 7 dwarfs

Plenty of other examples that more knowledgeable people than me can quote I'm sure

B) signings- Sell players who can raise the most in order to rebuild, replace from within the squad or reserves where we have ready made replacements with the added advantage that we lower our cost base and then look to make the targeted acquisitions that we all dream will happen but hardly ever come off it seems

Example- Johnson out > Kelly becomes RB + sign Clyne from Palace for £5M, we get £15M in transfer free, save £10M over 3 years in wages

I think the approach will most likely be around signings, perhaps long term the technical director will come up with a secret sauce and we see the next trend over the horizon, we shall see.

mtred1984 · « **Reply #110 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:57:19 PM »

fuck reina. If he doesnt want to stay get rid

dast18 · « **Reply #111 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:57:56 PM »

Quote from: Z e u s on May 30, 2012, 08:55:04 PM

I aslo think someone like Suso might get promoted if he impresses Rodgers in pre season. He has the skill and is comfortable in possession.

Sterling and Suso could be first team squad members next season.

Have been thinking exactly the same myself mate!

T.Mills · « **Reply #112 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:58:17 PM »

Quote from: Z e u s on May 30, 2012, 08:55:04 PM

I aslo think someone like Suso might get promoted if he impresses Rodgers in pre season. He has the skill and is comfortable in possession.

Sterling and Suso could be first team squad members next season.

I agree, the lad is perfect for it, need to get him a new contract first though

smicer07 · « **Reply #113 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:58:34 PM »

Quote from: mtred1984 on May 30, 2012, 08:57:19 PM

fuck reina. If he doesnt want to stay get rid

Just no.

Redeo · « **Reply #114 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:58:58 PM »

Quote from: Passmaster Molby on May 30, 2012, 06:36:01 PM

I think we may actually see Jay Spearing thrive under Rodgers. He is a clever player and has a good technical level and I think he may do well in a passing side.

Quote from: Baz Smythe on May 30, 2012, 07:18:53 PM

Maybes. Carroll of course, he does look lighter and faster and last couple of games makes him look like he could be Ibrahimovich.

Quote from: robbie keane on May 30, 2012, 08:18:25 PM

I think Rodgers can challenge for top four with the current squad, a few tweaks in areas such as moving suarez wide and gerrard further forward will make a difference.

Quote from: Camarero25 on May 30, 2012, 07:06:32 PM

I think that if you tell Downing exactly what to do rather than leaving him the freedom to decide for himself then his technical ability should allow him to accomplish what he's told.

Good to see optimism taking over after couple of weeks of speculation.

PepsiRebina · « **Reply #115 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:59:31 PM »

Quote from: smicer07 on May 30, 2012, 08:58:34 PM

Just no.

Yes. He has been mediocre at best, and there is plenty of better replacements out there.

HighSix · « **Reply #116 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:59:33 PM »

I just dont see the clamour for Carragher to be sold! As long as he will retire gracefully over the next couple of years his experience, maybe coaching & backup to starting 11 is valuable. He has been such a good servant for us & now people want him gone, crazy.

lankyguy007 · « **Reply #117 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:59:59 PM »

Quote from: Z e u s on May 30, 2012, 08:51:42 PM

I think Kuyt also might really suit the style. He has brilliant movement and keeps possession - I could see him stay now.

That's a good point about Kuyt. I get the feeling he'll leave but I definitely agree with you that he could fit into that type of system. Depends what Rodgers has in mind for a system and what his role is for the wide players

Bakez0151 · « **Reply #118 on:** May 30, 2012, 09:00:06 PM »

I think Brendan will HELP a lot of players to fit in with his style of play. Let's not forget he's very much a coach. That's where he's from. He trains the players to keep the ball. That's part of the reason he's been hired IMO, to help the development of the youth. Even if they don't play, the younger lads will benefit from his coaching. I'm very much in a positive mood by the way. Please don't hate me for that

”I like teams to control and dominate the ball, so the players are hungry for the ball,” Rodgers says. “You’ll see in some of our exercises this morning, a lot of our work is around the transition and getting the ball back very quickly. Because I believe if you give a bad player time, he can play. If you give a good player time, he can kill you. So our emphasis is based around our positioning both with and without the ball. And for us, when we press well, we pass well.”

I like him to be honest.

Surprised people are saying Adam. He can most definitely pass it, that's what he does, so wouldn't have thought he'd be first in Rodgers mind to get rid of.

Red Genius · « **Reply #119 on:** May 30, 2012, 09:01:27 PM »

Quote from: lankyguy007 on May 30, 2012, 08:59:59 PM

That's a good point about Kuyt. I get the feeling he'll leave but I definitely agree with you that he could fit into that type of system. Depends what Rodgers has in mind for a system and what his role is for the wide players

To me, Rodgers appears to favor a winger / wide forward who can carry the ball a wee bit better than what Dirk does. But who knows, who's to even suggest he'll be the man to determine who is staying and who is going anyway, our DoF may have something to say about those matters.