Author Topic: Rodgers and His Squad - Axeman/Innovator or Sculptor/Renovator? (Read 63391 times)

Rafas the man · « **Reply #40 on:** May 30, 2012, 06:37:25 PM »

Quote from: Passmaster Molby on May 30, 2012, 06:36:01 PM

I think we may actually see Jay Spearing thrive under Rodgers. He is a clever player and has a good technical level and I think he may do well in a passing side.

Adam is toast though, as is Carra.

Be surprised if he uses Jay, his passing is very poor. In the semi vs Everton and the final vs Chelsea it was even worse than usual.

Tomo! · « **Reply #41 on:** May 30, 2012, 06:37:30 PM »

Quote from: Twelfth Man on May 30, 2012, 06:28:02 PM

I would like to see, no one leave and no one come in this summer. And then just see what difference a change of manager has on our season.

I'd rather give him last season's budget and see what he can do with it.

Haemogoblin · « **Reply #42 on:** May 30, 2012, 06:39:30 PM »

Last year's budget, even.

lfcmaster · « **Reply #43 on:** May 30, 2012, 06:40:49 PM »

i would be shocked if spearing played for lfc next season

timiano · « **Reply #44 on:** May 30, 2012, 06:42:08 PM »

One credential will be required. Keep the ball.

Goodbye Carragher, Kuyt, Downing and possibly Jay. A fit Lucas is going to be pivotal to his team

.Mike · « **Reply #45 on:** May 30, 2012, 06:42:59 PM »

Spearing is no where near good enough for us in my opinion.

Schmidt · « **Reply #46 on:** May 30, 2012, 06:43:40 PM »

I'd imagine we'll sign a fast wide player given how he used Sinclair and Dyer so regularly, although Downing and Bellamy could be considered good enough. I think we'll see a central player come in if Aquilani leaves, and I also think we'll retain most of the current squad to handle the number of games we'll be involved in next year.

All in all he'll want to make the necessary adjustment to fit his style but we shouldn't need a complete overhaul.

Melbred · « **Reply #47 on:** May 30, 2012, 06:44:04 PM »

Downing and Adam are in strife.

Red_Isle_Chap · « **Reply #48 on:** May 30, 2012, 06:44:54 PM »

Quote from: Cusamano on May 30, 2012, 06:35:11 PM

Im actually excited.

His biggest challenge will be making adam look semi competent.

Have to say that these comments are really very harsh on Charlie, and as some will tell you i'm really not his biggest fan. Like most of our players, charlie was actually doing fine before the Lucas injury deprived us of our single most important player and the squad fell to pieces.

Look, i'm not saying that Charlie is gods gift to football, he infuriates the crap out of me a lot of the time, but the way some of you go on it's like he's 30 stone and had all his limbs removed.

Used as part of the squad he can be very effective.

gamble · « **Reply #49 on:** May 30, 2012, 06:53:02 PM »

I have no idea what Rodgers has planned but don't expect last summer's buy to be out of the door so easily. We won't sell easily unless we take a massive hit and even if we were willing to do so some of these players (e.g. Downing) are on very high wages.

I reckon it will mostly be last season's squad with a few tweaks. next summer will be a big turnover though.

rocco · « **Reply #50 on:** May 30, 2012, 06:54:02 PM »

Quote from: abhred on May 30, 2012, 05:55:32 PM

Certainly remember someone mention that Rodgers talked about selling of some of Kenny's high profile signings.

Seems strange another manager commenting on selling another Managers players ?

Acaustiq · « **Reply #51 on:** May 30, 2012, 06:56:40 PM »

Quote from: rocco on May 30, 2012, 06:54:02 PM

Seems strange another manager commenting on selling another Managers players ?

It was a rumour that's what he told FSG when he 'snubbed' us and that's why martinez was 'nailed on'.

lfcmaster · « **Reply #52 on:** May 30, 2012, 06:58:38 PM »

spearing should be one of the first people to leave under a new manager we all know that

no where near good enough for lfc

Antics · « **Reply #53 on:** May 30, 2012, 07:02:53 PM »

I am curious to see whether he will be given free reign to offload some of last summer's signings. I'd agree that Adam is probably gone. Downing I'm unsure really. Hes probably gifted enough technically. But it seems one of Rodgers' key attributes is the ability to be mentally comfortable in posession of the ball. Something which Downing may lack and may not be able to develop over the space of a single summer.

Camarero25 · « **Reply #54 on:** May 30, 2012, 07:06:32 PM »

I actually think Downing will stay. He'll be better under Rodgers I reckon as he seems to give his players more detailed tactical instruction and defined roles than Kenny did. I think that if you tell Downing exactly what to do rather than leaving him the freedom to decide for himself then his technical ability should allow him to accomplish what he's told.

I expect (and hope) Adam will be on his way out.

OneTouchFooty · « **Reply #55 on:** May 30, 2012, 07:12:40 PM »

All for him shipping out some of the wasters.. but how much sway or power will he have to ship out the likes of Carra, Kuyt or Downing? Considering all this 'DOF' bollocks going on still? How much say will he have and will he be able to be his own man?

Baz Smythe · « **Reply #56 on:** May 30, 2012, 07:18:53 PM »

Out. Carragher, Adam, Maxi,

In. New CB, CM, winger and a goal scorer.

Maybes. Carroll of course, he does look lighter and faster and last couple of games makes him look like he could be Ibrahimovich. Downing, Rodgers has worked with a lot of shit players and they've done well so I have hope for Stuart, if not Raheem is nearly ready, some practice in the cup comps and maybe Europe and he'll be ready towards end of the season.

Ones I think will thrive:

Lucas - ball possession and passing percentages were made for him
Agger - ball playing defender
Skrtel - see above
Johnson - Wingback system was designed for this guy, will be best right back in the world either next year or year after
Shelvey - still learning but got bags of confidence and this could mould him into a world beater
Henderson - tippy tappy football with working hard off the ball, needs a man manager to help his confidence
Gerrard - I believe he can adapt to anything except playing centre midfield
Suarez - I really believe he will become the 3rd best player in the world after Messi and CR. He will be our Messi.

vicgill · « **Reply #57 on:** May 30, 2012, 07:20:35 PM »

Quote from: conman on May 30, 2012, 06:05:36 PM

Im not sure i agree with most of the above.

Kuyt - will fit his system of intelligent running and playing the high pressing game, if he wants to cash in on Dirk, so be it. Or if he is past it, which Dirk doesn't see himself.

Downing - Well, he has massively under performed, but that doesn't mean he is suddenly shit. If Rodgers thinks he can make a player out of him again, give him some direction. Then maybe he has a place

Adam - Shouldn't be a starter, but sure is a decent squad player. Does Charlie see himself on the bench? who knows, but he can do a job from there.

Spearing - Well, i think he is basically out of his depth.
Carra - His time is done, so he probably will sit on the bench most of the season, i don't see Brendan being so brave as to move him on, but the DOF might.

If he hasn´t got the bollocks to move him on then he shouldn´t take the job

HighSix · « **Reply #58 on:** May 30, 2012, 07:21:44 PM »

I cant see any of the new signing leaving this summer due to wages & lack of clubs willing to buy. Will be interesting to see if Maxi will stay as Rodgers style will suit him far more. Hope to see the back of Cole & Spearing.

1st signing will be Kevin Doyle!

edge · « **Reply #59 on:** May 30, 2012, 07:26:16 PM »

Quote from: Baz Smythe on May 30, 2012, 07:18:53 PM

Out. Carragher, Adam, Maxi,

In. New CB, CM, winger and a goal scorer.

Maybes. Carroll of course, he does look lighter and faster and last couple of games makes him look like he could be Ibrahimovich. Downing, Rodgers has worked with a lot of shit players and they've done well so I have hope for Stuart, if not Raheem is nearly ready, some practice in the cup comps and maybe Europe and he'll be ready towards end of the season.

Ones I think will thrive:

Lucas - ball possession and passing percentages were made for him
Agger - ball playing defender
Skrtel - see above
Johnson - Wingback system was designed for this guy, will be best right back in the world either next year or year after
Shelvey - still learning but got bags of confidence and this could mould him into a world beater
Henderson - tippy tappy football with working hard off the ball, needs a man manager to help his confidence
Gerrard - I believe he can adapt to anything except playing centre midfield
Suarez - I really believe he will become the 3rd best player in the world after Messi and CR. He will be our Messi.

Love the positivity, but can't really see the need for a new CB?

stevenseagal · « **Reply #60 on:** May 30, 2012, 07:26:44 PM »

There's no way we'll get rid of Downing after what we spent on him and one season. Yes, if it was up to me then he'd be out the door in a second but the loss on him would be too much and it won't happen.

I could see Adam going, but only if we got a good offer, I don't think the club will actively try to get rid of him.

Kuyt and Maxi are goners.

Jay Spearing unfortunately will be kept but will play less than this season which is a good thing.

Upinsmoke · « **Reply #61 on:** May 30, 2012, 07:38:07 PM »

Carragher won't leave. He will just be back up. Who will pay his wages, he wants to play regularly, that ain't happening next year at LFC or any other club. We won't terminate his contract either. He will see his playing days out here and move onto the backroom staff. That's my opinion anyway.

Asam · « **Reply #62 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:01:32 PM »

Quote from: stevenseagal on May 30, 2012, 07:26:44 PM

There's no way we'll get rid of Downing after what we spent on him and one season. Yes, if it was up to me then he'd be out the door in a second but the loss on him would be too much and it won't happen.

I could see Adam going, but only if we got a good offer, I don't think the club will actively try to get rid of him.

Kuyt and Maxi are goners.

Jay Spearing unfortunately will be kept but will play less than this season which is a good thing.

Ref Downing, if the manager/new regime want to replace him the numbers may not be as god awful as you think they are when everything is factored inl:

If the club weren't complete idiots his deal was structured based upon appearances/qualification for champs league/winning trophies so if we sell him before hand we may not have to pay £20M if certain clauses were not triggerre..

If we get £12M for him (not unreasonable) the club would save £9M on his salary over the next 3 years if he's on 60K per week...that said he will want a pay off and depending on how stupid we were with his wages he may not want to go elsewhere on less money so it's always going to be complicated

trigger · « **Reply #63 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:05:12 PM »

Has Sigurdsson signed on the dotted line for Swansea yet?

Twelfth Customer · « **Reply #64 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:10:19 PM »

Quote from: Tomo! on May 30, 2012, 06:37:30 PM

I'd rather give him last season's budget and see what he can do with it.

Good point. Roughly same amount. Lets see where he can get us.

Lucas DuoFlush · « **Reply #65 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:11:37 PM »

Adam will stay. Quote me on it!

fosspowered · « **Reply #66 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:12:10 PM »

Reina, Johnson, Skrtel, Agger, Jose Enrique, Lucas, Gerrard, Suarez are the main players in the squad and should stay bar anything extraordinary happens.
Henderson, and Carroll would stay too. Henderson is a pass and move player and could thrive under Brendan.
Think we might keep Craig, Maxi and Dirk as well, Maxi is a perfect pass and move player but it would also depend on him, it was reported he wanted to go back to Argentina so you never know. Dirk with his energy and commitment may stay as well.
Aquilani? Maybe finally he could make an impact with the club? The lad has talent and the kind of football philosophy Brendan follows, he can be a good fit. But considering how he has been ignored in the past, won't bet on it.
Kelly and Coates are young players and would definitely keep their places. In fact Coates might become the 3rd choice CB.
Sterling, and Shelvey are promising youngsters and considering Brendan's youth coach background he could very well be ease on the transitions of Sterling and Shelvey.
Spearing and Doni should make it simply as squad players.

Charlie Adam, Stewart Downing, and Jamie Carragher are the ones I am not sure whether they would be pass and move type of players. Think they would be sold or kept nothing more than squad players.

Again all of this is just my opinion and my perception of how Brendan Rodgers might look at the current squad, so pinch of salt and all that.

JongWK · « **Reply #67 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:14:24 PM »

Quote from: Asam on May 30, 2012, 06:36:54 PM

I expect 4 in-

Striker- Luuk De Jong
Sigurdsson (pretty certain he will sign if Rodgers comes in)
Right/attacking Mid - would love Gaston Ramirez
DM who can pass / retain possession

Profile of player I expect, 20-24 years old, quick, not playing champions league football today, sourced from Holland, France & Possibly South America

Nicolas Lodeiro's contract with Ajax ends in next month. He's had a few injuries, but gets bonus points for playing with Ramirez and Suarez.

robbie keane · « **Reply #68 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:18:25 PM »

I think Rodgers can challenge for top four with the current squad, a few tweaks in areas such as moving suarez wide and gerrard further forward will make a difference. He will address the cm problems and find a settled formation.
I don't think he will be afraid to give youth a chance and could see suso really developing in a Rodgers team as well as sterling.

If he chooses to stregthen then I would expect him to look at dm cover, a wide/am option and a goal scorer. All will no doubt have technical ability and I hope he can be shrewd.

Asam · « **Reply #69 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:27:08 PM »

Quote from: JongWK on May 30, 2012, 08:14:24 PM

Nicolas Lodeiro's contract with Ajax ends in next month. He's had a few injuries, but gets bonus points for playing with Ramirez and Suarez.

to be honest mate I've not seen enough of Lodeiro at Ajax, but on a free he could be good business :-)

Z e u s · « **Reply #70 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:31:47 PM »

Quote from: edge on May 30, 2012, 07:26:16 PM

Love the positivity, but can't really see the need for a new CB?

Nor can I.

If Carragher does leave in one form or another - then Wisdom should go to fourth choice.

Il Capitano · « **Reply #71 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:32:14 PM »

I think in total we'll see the backs of Aurelio, Carragher, Kuyt, Maxi, Spearing and possibly Adam. Cole will be loaned out again, with us paying a percentage of his wages.

As for players in, well for a start I'd love to see the return of Aquilani. On top of that, Mauricio Isla, who can play a number of positions across the pitch as well as his CDM main role: Klaas Jan Huntelaar would supplement the striking options, providing a useful option with Carroll, and already has a natural understanding with Suarez: after that, we need a pacey, intelligent wide player to replace Maxi: Ezequiel Lavezzi would be superb, though I think maybe out of our price range. These three additions, in addition to Alberto, would provide a huge amount of quality and flair to what we already have.

Lord Roger Hunt · « **Reply #72 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:35:45 PM »

Right, back to footie - huzzah!

BR likes players that have a good first touch and high energy levels, so that high tempo possession and 100% pressing of the opposition can be maintained.

Hoofers will be out.

So, who could be at risk?

Carra?
Skirtel?
Adam?
Kuyt?
Downing?
Carrol?

Gerrard?

??

fosspowered · « **Reply #73 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:37:18 PM »

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=294169.0

rossipersiempre · « **Reply #74 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:37:43 PM »

and...

Quote from: hinesy on May 30, 2012, 06:23:18 PM

A lot of transfer speculation in the OP so it's best suited to in here.

Lord Roger Hunt · « **Reply #75 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:39:03 PM »

Oh Feck - OK, apologies, I'm over-excited....please ignore/delete or heap abuse as you think fit....I'm off to the other thread!

Twelfth Customer · « **Reply #76 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:40:49 PM »

Steven Gerrard. There I said it. Now I'm going to wash my mouth out with salt water.

WhiteHeat · « **Reply #77 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:41:44 PM »

The thing with Adam is he can pass a ball, but he attempts the Hollywood option too often. He's the type of player I could see Rodgers try and instil his formula into.

T.Mills · « **Reply #78 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:42:09 PM »

Think Jordan will struggle if im honest.

kennedy81 · « **Reply #79 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:42:19 PM »

Quote from: Lord Roger Hunt on May 30, 2012, 08:35:45 PM

Right, back to footie - huzzah!

BR likes players that have a good first touch and high energy levels, so that high tempo possession and 100% pressing of the opposition can be maintained.

Hoofers will be out.

So, who could be at risk?

Carra?
Skirtel?
Adam?
Kuyt?
Downing?
Carrol?

Gerrard?

??

I don't think he's gonna be making a list of all the hoofers with the intention of getting rid.
he'll want to get everyone used to keeping the ball, especially when under pressure and preserving a lead.

I like how he talks about 'character' and how important it is, when playing this kind of football.
it's something we lacked last season big time.