Topic: Jordan Henderson

[ThepepeReina]

You forgot Rodgers on the wing and Sterling in the technical area.

Is this some sort of joke? that would never work, sterling doesnt have nearly enough experience to command the respect of the players.

[conman]

Anyone remember Reina in that friendly? Shooting needed improving.

no worse than the rest of the team last season

[Johnny Foreigner]

People who don't 'get' players like Henderson who keep it simple are not going to 'get' our new manager, sadly.

Against this mediocre team; I could see :

* 8-10 backwards passes that were being played backwards (on englands half just in front of the two centre backs)
* 1 decent long ball
* 1 bookable offence
* being nutmegged by Hangeland and being caught out in no-mans land..

Fair enough if thats good enough for a centre midfielder for LFC, but then we can just get Marcus Henriksen that played in the same game and get Eloynoussi in the same deal and still be left with 8 million pounds.. The latter would replace Downing in a heart beat..

[KirkVanHouten]

Against this mediocre team; I could see :

* 8-10 backwards passes that were being played backwards (on englands half just in front of the two centre backs)
* 1 decent long ball
* 1 bookable offence
* being nutmegged by Hangeland and being caught out in no-mans land..

Fair enough if thats good enough for a centre midfielder for LFC, but then we can just get Marcus Henriksen that played in the same game and get Eloynoussi in the same deal and still be left with 8 million pounds.. The latter would replace Downing in a heart beat..

I'm not sure what you expected. The movement in front of midfield for England is deplorable, and to be honest England are not much better than Norway at this point in time. Jordan Henderson will never play well under Roy Hodgson, a rigid 4-4-2 where hit it long to the big man is the only discernible strategy is never going to suit him. He likes to keep the ball and Hodgson likes to hoof it. What you quoted is true if you don't like watching Henderson play then I don't think you're going to enjoy our football under Rodgers. There are going to be a lot of sideways and backwards passes as we circulate possession to try and open up space.

[The 5th Benitle]

Against this mediocre team; I could see :

* 8-10 backwards passes that were being played backwards (on englands half just in front of the two centre backs)
* 1 decent long ball
* 1 bookable offence
* being nutmegged by Hangeland and being caught out in no-mans land..

Fair enough if thats good enough for a centre midfielder for LFC, but then we can just get Marcus Henriksen that played in the same game and get Eloynoussi in the same deal and still be left with 8 million pounds.. The latter would replace Downing in a heart beat..

Please could you explain why you quoted me and said that? I have no idea which game you're talking about. An England friendly? Didn't watch it, couldn't give a toss. But if you're holding your hand up to say you're one of those who doesn't 'get' the player then fair enough.

[Rafasacolytereturns]

Against this mediocre team; I could see :

* 8-10 backwards passes that were being played backwards (on englands half just in front of the two centre backs)
* 1 decent long ball
* 1 bookable offence
* being nutmegged by Hangeland and being caught out in no-mans land..

Fair enough if thats good enough for a centre midfielder for LFC, but then we can just get Marcus Henriksen that played in the same game and get Eloynoussi in the same deal and still be left with 8 million pounds.. The latter would replace Downing in a heart beat..

Sure their was stats on here saying Henderson completed the highest ratio of passes for us this season, with one of if not the smallest percentage of passes backwards.

That dubious honour goes to Stewie Downing who is also definitley up their for most short passes to the side

[brownie 09]

Against this mediocre team; I could see :

* 8-10 backwards passes that were being played backwards (on englands half just in front of the two centre backs)
* 1 decent long ball
* 1 bookable offence
* being nutmegged by Hangeland and being caught out in no-mans land..

Fair enough if thats good enough for a centre midfielder for LFC, but then we can just get Marcus Henriksen that played in the same game and get Eloynoussi in the same deal and still be left with 8 million pounds.. The latter would replace Downing in a heart beat..

So you are using an England game with Roy Hodgson as manager.... Not sure where to point out the obvious flaws in this post.

Not only that but you are using one game as if to prove that henderson is a bad player...  I could probably use loads of matches about gerrard were he was bad and say the exact same thing too you.

From what ive seen of Henderson in CM for us isnt spectacular or anything special, its been average with signs that he has the capabilities to be a good midfielder for us.

[Johnny Foreigner]

Please could you explain why you quoted me and said that? I have no idea which game you're talking about. An England friendly? Didn't watch it, couldn't give a toss. But if you're holding your hand up to say you're one of those who doesn't 'get' the player then fair enough.

The "highlights" from the England-Norway including a special montage of Hendersons involvement was put up and there was a comment from yourself regarding "if you don't get this player" in some of the latter posts..

I see now that there was no direct links between the two and I truly apologize if I hurt your feelings.

No; I don't get the player. He is a fairly decent all-round player in most aspects with no truly outstanding features..

A decenct engine and being able to play triangle passes in your half just in front of your centre backs is not an outstanding feature in todays international football; its a basic skill which you could get in abundance..

If that is the standard we require for our midfield; we have truly identified averageness as our standard..

Norway-England was a pain to watch from a LFC perspective; and that had nothing to do with Hodgsons tactics - just the observation that the individual performance from our players were not much apart from a Norwegian pub team in international standards..

[The 5th Benitle]

I see now that there was no direct links between the two and I truly apologize if I hurt your feelings.

You didn't mate but cheers.

[Johnny Foreigner]

So you are using an England game with Roy Hodgson as manager.... Not sure where to point out the obvious flaws in this post.

Not only that but you are using one game as if to prove that henderson is a bad player...  I could probably use loads of matches about gerrard were he was bad and say the exact same thing too you.

From what ive seen of Henderson in CM for us isnt spectacular or anything special, its been average with signs that he has the capabilities to be a good midfielder for us.

Gerrard played a relatively poor game against norway and should have been sent off.. Gerrard still has some magic left, but he is unfortunately over his prime and should be used accordingly but he was absolute world class in his prime..

Not sure how that makes any difference to Henderson being plain average..

[Johnny Foreigner]

You didn't mate but cheers.

Glad to hear that. I'll buy you a drink when henderson pick up his first player of the year award ;-)

[Brentie]

Anyone who rates this player accepts the fact that Liverpool have become a medicore team.

Anyone who doesnt rate him are not smart enough to realise what a good player he is.

[The 5th Benitle]

Anyone who rates this player accepts the fact that Liverpool have become a medicore team.

Exactly what many were saying about Lucas a few years back, though I think they might have spent mediocre right

[Johnny Foreigner]

What you quoted is true if you don't like watching Henderson play then I don't think you're going to enjoy our football under Rodgers. There are going to be a lot of sideways and backwards passes as we circulate possession to try and open up space.

In my signature I have

"It’s not even about individuality, it’s about the team. Our game was based on his controlling of the tempo. Squeeze the life out of the opposition and then strike. That is our game. Like a pack of pythons."

In the current english premier league, you require world class players in order to do so.. I don't see more than 3-4 in our current set-up and Henderson is not one of them..

[The 5th Benitle]

In my signature I have

"It’s not even about individuality, it’s about the team. Our game was based on his controlling of the tempo. Squeeze the life out of the opposition and then strike. That is our game. Like a pack of pythons."

In the current english premier league, you require world class players in order to do so.. I don't see more than 3-4 in our current set-up and Henderson is not one of them..

You need to consider that in a Rodgers system, there will be players who do little other than circulate possession. Something which Henderson is so good at that he actually gets criticised for only being able to do it.

[NOTBORNIN1982]

Henderson is going to be one of the greats. true story.

Anyone who does not agree is wrong, so piss off.

[redmark]

In my signature I have

"It’s not even about individuality, it’s about the team. Our game was based on his controlling of the tempo. Squeeze the life out of the opposition and then strike. That is our game. Like a pack of pythons."

In the current english premier league, you require world class players in order to do so.. I don't see more than 3-4 in our current set-up and Henderson is not one of them..

You seem to be contradicting part of the quote you've placed in your signature, unless you can explain why a system which is not about individuality, but about the system, requires world class individuals to make it work.

[The 5th Benitle]

You seem to be contradicting part of the quote you've placed in your signature, unless you can explain why a system which is not about individuality, but about the system, requires world class individuals to make it work.

That's what I thought too! Strange.

[NOTBORNIN1982]

You need to understand that in a Ridgers system, there will be players who do nothing other than circulate possession. Something which Henderson is so good at that he actually gets criticised for only being able to do it.

I don't understand how people can't see that Henderson is a perfect fit to Rodgers system. (as per Swansea last season) One-touch, neat and tidy. Also, his physical attributes are perfect when we don't have the ball.

[Brentie]

Exactly what many were saying about Lucas a few years back, though I think they might have spent mediocre right

Haha yeah fucked that one up.

For every Lucas, you have a Leto, Paleta, Babel, Ngog and Gonzalez. Way too easy a comparison to make.

[smilingmart]

Is this some sort of joke? that would never work, sterling doesnt have nearly enough experience to command the respect of the players.

I think he was being ironical

[the good half]

I for one thought Lucas was not up to it.
Ill admit that readily.
Then he became great and I love him.

Same with Henderson.

We can only judge him on performances we have seen. I hope he becomes a world beater, but right now, today, he aint close.

[Brentie]

We can only judge him on performances we have seen. I hope he becomes a world beater, but right now, today, he aint close.

Exactly.

People can harp on about potential, grasp any positive they may notice and scream about it.

But at the end of the day, he was average to awful for a huge majority of last season. Contributed next to nothing to our season and we should have never signed him to replace Meireles.

Could turn out to be a good player, possibly. Presently, he's an average one and one of the reasons why DC and Kenny got fired was for boneheaded decisions like buying him.

[koptommy93]

he's one of my favourite players, I've got a good feeling about him

[tubby]

Lucas came here with the reputation of a box-to-box midfielder but matured into more of a holding, defensive midfielder.

The problem Henderson has at the moment is that no one knows what his best position will be and where his strengths are best suited.  I think it'll be a while before he can really be judged and at the moment it's not really obvious exactly how he should be played.

He's got a good short passing game and engine - but I dunno which accomplished, top level player he would be compared to with his skillset as it is right now.

[The 5th Benitle]

Brentie do you not get bored of saying the same thing over and over again? Genuinely interested to know.

[lfcmaster]

Exactly.

People can harp on about potential, grasp any positive they may notice and scream about it.

But at the end of the day, he was average to awful for a huge majority of last season. Contributed next to nothing to our season and we should have never signed him to replace Meireles.

Could turn out to be a good player, possibly. Presently, he's an average one and one of the reasons why DC and Kenny got fired was for boneheaded decisions like buying him.

I agree
For me buying Henderson was one of the shocks of last summer
No one had predicted we would buy him

[Brentie]

Brentie do you not get bored of saying the same thing over and over again? Genuinely interested to know.

I dont know mate, you tell me? You've been banging on about with the Lucas comparison almost as long as I've been banging on about Henderson's lack of courage.

[Johnny Foreigner]

You seem to be contradicting part of the quote you've placed in your signature, unless you can explain why a system which is not about individuality, but about the system, requires world class individuals to make it work.

Depends on what you aiming for. There is a limit to what you can achieve regardless of the system if you fill it with ordinary joes.. Yes, Greece and Denmark won a euro and wimbledon won a fa-cup and there are other examples..

If you aim for a consistent success you need a system filled with strong individuals. Benitez were about to get there with the best midfield in the world..

If you apply your logic - swansea should be a contender for the league; they will never be more than a mid-table team regardless if rodgers had stayed and performed magic due to the lack of quality in their team..

There was a time when teams could do a norwich - but thats 20 years ago.. and they didn't even suceed in the end

[Red Genius]

Lucas came here with the reputation of a box-to-box midfielder but matured into more of a holding, defensive midfielder.

The problem Henderson has at the moment is that no one knows what his best position will be and where his strengths are best suited.  I think it'll be a while before he can really be judged and at the moment it's not really obvious exactly how he should be played.

He's got a good short passing game and engine - but I dunno which accomplished, top level player he would be compared to with his skillset as it is right now.

Oh i don't know about that, i'm fairly confident his best position is in the centre of midfield, his qualities are his energy, composure in circulating the ball, he is also very dedicated to his career and is keen to learn. If he can add timing of runs and finishing to his set of skills i'd suggest what we'd have is a far more mobile Frank Lampard on our books.

[tubby]

Oh i don't know about that, i'm fairly confident his best position is in the centre of midfield, his qualities are his energy, composure in circulating the ball, he is also very dedicated to his career and is keen to learn. If he can add timing of runs and finishing to his set of skills i'd suggest what we'd have is a far more mobile Frank Lampard on our books.

There's no way he's ever going to be scoring as many goals as Lampard does.  That's just natural instinct and knowing when to break forward.  I can see the rest of the comparison, though.

[exiledinyorkshire]

I for one thought Lucas was not up to it.
Ill admit that readily.
Then he became great and I love him.

Same with Henderson.

We can only judge him on performances we have seen. I hope he becomes a world beater, but right now, today, he aint close.

Perhaps theres a lesson in there. look for different things in the performances that you see. For my money Henderson has it in there. Maybe there is a way of consistantly getting it "out there" that we havent seen yet. The wise ones, and you know who you are, seem to suggest that Kenny was "off the Cuff" when it came to build up and attacking phase. If that was the case, young Jordan wasnt getting coached on "how" or "where" to play offensively and  Rodgers is going to help him immensley. Hodgson has taken him to the euros, that to me suggests that our boy can take a set of instructions and carry them out to the letter. Maybe, and it pains me to say it, Kenny's instructions werent quite as precise as one a modern footballer may have liked them to be. This also offers hope to a few others that seemed to get to a certain point and then not look as if they new what the fuck they should do next. Downing and Enrique spring to mind.

[redmark]

Depends on what you aiming for. There is a limit to what you can achieve regardless of the system if you fill it with ordinary joes.. Yes, Greece and Denmark won a euro and wimbledon won a fa-cup and there are other examples..

If you aim for a consistent success you need a system filled with strong individuals. Benitez were about to get there with the best midfield in the world..

If you apply your logic - swansea should be a contender for the league; they will never be more than a mid-table team regardless if rodgers had stayed and performed magic due to the lack of quality in their team..

There was a time when teams could do a norwich - but thats 20 years ago.. and they didn't even suceed in the end

Again you seem to be suggesting there's nothing between a team with no exceptional individuals (e.g. Swansea, who I in no way suggested should be top of the league) and a successful team needing to be full of them. A successful team - particularly one employing such a system, hence the confusion with your point vs your signature - needs a sprinkling of top quality and abilities beyond possession and pass-and-move. It doesn't need a team full of them - infact, a team full of them may struggle to conform to the system.

[The 5th Benitle]

I dont know mate, you tell me? You've been banging on about with the Lucas comparison almost as long as I've been banging on about Henderson's lack of courage.

Think that's the second time I've made it, and in a different context. Never mind, wasn't trying to pick a fight.

[Red Genius]

There's no way he's ever going to be scoring as many goals as Lampard does.  That's just natural instinct and knowing when to break forward.  I can see the rest of the comparison, though.

You might end up being true, but Frank worked very hard on his game, nothing came natural to him... just check out how productive he was at 21.... it took him a few years to get to the level we recognise from him as a regular goal scorer + a system that helped get the best out of him.

We expect too much from a 21 year old already...

[Brentie]

Think that's the second time I've made it, and in a different context. Never mind, wasn't trying to pick a fight.

Must have mistaken you with someone else then pal.

[Fordy]

he's one of my favourite players, I've got a good feeling about him

If you this quote is for real then I can't take you seriously.

Henderson is one of your favourite players even though he was one of our worst players last season.

Wow - just god dam wow. Liverpool FC standards have been shot to bits.

[The 5th Benitle]

Henderson is one of your favourite players even though he was one of our worst players last season.

In your opinion.

And he's 21.

[USC19Babel]

Exactly.

People can harp on about potential, grasp any positive they may notice and scream about it.

But at the end of the day, he was average to awful for a huge majority of last season. Contributed next to nothing to our season and we should have never signed him to replace Meireles.

Could turn out to be a good player, possibly. Presently, he's an average one and one of the reasons why DC and Kenny got fired was for boneheaded decisions like buying him.

What the actual fuck? He was brought in months before Meireles left and we all know that it was never part of the plan to ship Raul off anyway.

How do you expect to be taken seriously with a comment like that?

[JohnHobbes]

If you this quote is for real then I can't take you seriously.

Henderson is one of your favourite players even though he was one of our worst players last season.

Wow - just god dam wow. Liverpool FC standards have been shot to bits.

If Jordan is his favourite player then maybe he sees something in him that you don't. How is that a problem for you and an indication of Liverpool FC standards slipping? Maybe you can just let him like his player and you like yours?

You like Adam, so would you be happy then with someone twisting your words to...

"Adam is one of your favourite players even though he was one of our worst players last season.

Wow - just god dam wow. Liverpool FC standards have been shot to bits."