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Re: Suarez gets it spot on
« Reply #280 on: May 26, 2012, 10:59:41 AM »
Ill tell you why, without sounding like a conspiracy theorist, both FA and media in this country had issue with Liverpool football Club since the removal of their friendly faced manager and the appointment of a non-media friendly, argumentative scot, who will not take their shit at face value.
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Re: Suarez gets it spot on
« Reply #281 on: May 26, 2012, 11:00:27 AM »


I'm not going to dispute whether or not there was evidence against Luis, but it was clear from reading the report and subsequent analysis of the report that there was glaring holes on both sides and for that alone it should have been thrown out.
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Re: Suarez gets it spot on
« Reply #282 on: May 26, 2012, 11:07:02 AM »
Oh definitely, there is no doubt in that. I'm just saying, a lot of people calling for Terrys head don't seem to realize that, no matter how much you hate him, he's innocent until proven guilty, as Suarez should have been. Just because the F.A. got it wrong with Suarez, doesn't mean we should condemn Terry. We aren't that classless are we? Wait for the verdict from a real court of law and say what you want then.

There is video evidence! With that amount of proof, no one needs a judge's help in forming an opinion.

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Re: Suarez gets it spot on
« Reply #283 on: May 26, 2012, 11:07:25 AM »
There has been a lot of people mentioning the John Terry Case, and how he has been treated differently to Luis. This has nothing to do with the FA, or with him being english and Luis being from uruguay. The FA would have dealt with this issue a long time ago, if it wasn't for the court case. The only reason it hasn't been dealt with yet is that Chelsea convinced the court authorities that it would be impossible to carry out an actual court case with a bunch of footballer witnesses during the course of the season as it would have derailed chelsea's season, and qpr's season. It has nothing to do with The FA, and if this had been dealt with 6-8 months ago, it would no longer be an issue. Instead it is going to hang over Euro 2012 like a bad smell.

John terry is going to get his don't you worry. His entire defence is that he was saying those rather disgusting things as part of a conversation with anton ferdinand. Ferdinand denies that any such conversation happened, and when he heard terry's 'excuse' became so angry he made a complaint. Without Anton Ferdinand's corroborative evidence, a guilty verdict is inevitable. This is because in a situation like this a bad defence is worse than none.

Good job missing the point... Why is it Terry gets his day in a real court, while Suarez had to deal with a panel of three 'independent' lawyers who were employed by the FA to overview a case in which the FA were acting as the prosecution (despite the fact that the FA's representatives on the pitch, the referee and his assistants, had no idea what Suarez and Evra said to each other)? It seems to me the only difference is there is actually some evidence against Terry, at least enough for the CPS to try and prosecute him, so the FA had to step out of the way so they didn't prejudice the trial. Whereas there wasn't enough evidence against Suarez so the FA had no such barrier and could carry out whatever brain dead, unfair 'trial' they liked and of course get the verdict that suited them.

Perhaps most importantly, why do the FA think they have the authority to charge and punish people with racism? In this country racism is a criminal offence so it should be dealt with the criminal courts first and foremost. If the FA then want to add their own punishments after someone is found guilty that is fine, it is how fans accused of offences at and around football grounds are handled, why should it be any different for the players?

In these cases the FA have acted correctly with Terry (at least outside of the national team) whereas they acted incorrectly with Suarez. That is the injustice, because of a lack of evidence the Suarez case got treated differently than the Terry case where there is some actual evidence, that clearly is wrong.

My final worry is will the FA punish Terry if he is found guilty, or state that as the courts have dealt with him there is no need for them to add to it? Will Terry get an 8 match ban and a £40,000 fine from the FA if the real courts find him guilty? With how the FA have operated in the past there is no reason to be optimistic.

So no evidence then?

A Uruguayn speaking to a Frenchman that is far from fluent in Spanish. A Dutch man speaking to an Uruguyan and translating also?

You don't think that things can get mistranslated since they are going from Uruguayan Spanish (Dirk doesn't speak it, Comolli doesn't speak it, Evra doesn't speak it, the three man panel doesn't speak it)

The language experts brought in actually sided with Suarez and clearly said that it wouldn't make sense the way that Evra (Who changed his story several times on what he said he'd heard to something else) claimed and that the way Uruguyans speak would match what Suarez said and that it doesn't have racial connotations.

Also why not mention Hernandez who backed Suarez only for his comments to be removed becuase he wasn't an "Expert Witness" but they'd accept a Dutch bloke and a French bloke translating something back into English when the conversation was in Spanish.

To top it all, Suarez's own grandfather and family are black and from black descent. So the claim that he wouldn't "Talk to black people" is now taking a surreal turn. He wouldn't speak to his own family or mates?

The whole thing was a fit up from start to finish. To fill an agenda and allow the Xenophobic gobshites in the media to get on their little cowardly shithouse soapboxes and give it the "Big I am".

Funny how they are so silent on the Messi thing and you can already see they'll swerve the Terry thing and come out with the "Poor lad. he's a hero you know - English Lion - European Cup winner - we should cut the lad some slack".

Everything about the British media nowdays is sickening. If they could have seen 100 years ago where their fine traditions of print and news reporting would bring today I'm sure they would have burnt the whole fucking lot down. The media and its journalists are a disgrace to our country.

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Re: Suarez gets it spot on
« Reply #284 on: May 26, 2012, 11:21:12 AM »
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Re: Suarez gets it spot on
« Reply #285 on: May 26, 2012, 11:28:34 AM »
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Re: Suarez gets it spot on
« Reply #286 on: May 26, 2012, 11:35:18 AM »
I'm starting to think us making the FA rush for a decision is why Suarez was banned.
Maybe if we'd let the case cool down..they may have been a bit more level headed.
We asked for a decision when the case was hot. The FA simply had to ban Suarez to make a point.

I mean nobody can a point a finger at the FA now. They have succesfully punished a racist which means that nobody will call them weak or powerless against racism. Maybe it has entirely been our fault.

Apart from them being self serving dumb fucks there's not much u can accuse them of (if you look at it this way) and that being a liverpool fan. Most nuetral fans have applauded the decision. If we're looking for a good PR team we have our ideal example with the FA.

I'm pretty sure Terry will get away unscathed..as would have luis (at most would have been a couple of games). And even if they do decide to punish Terry, Chelsea have an entire summer to prepare for it. Meaning the worst that happens is their other CB's get games.

In our case we were helpless and to an extent lathargic.
We didnt have anyone to replace a decent player never mind an incredibly talented one like Suarez.
And we sat with our hands crossed hoping Stewart 'left winger' Downing would show some worth. We didn't even buy another player. Not even a Freebie. Didn't call anyone back from loan. Just sat and hoped. Paid the price to an extent.

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Re: Suarez gets it spot on
« Reply #287 on: May 26, 2012, 11:39:11 AM »
The thing is Terry may not be found guilty due to it not being 'beyond a reasonable doubt', if that happens you have a feeling he won't be charged by the FA. This is a problem because Suarez and Terry will then have been judged by COMPLETELY different standards.
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Re: Suarez gets it spot on
« Reply #288 on: May 26, 2012, 11:42:41 AM »
The thing is Terry may not be found guilty due to it not being 'beyond a reasonable doubt', if that happens you have a feeling he won't be charged by the FA. This is a problem because Suarez and Terry will then have been judged by COMPLETELY different standards.

Yeah that doesn't sound like the FA at all.
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Re: Suarez gets it spot on
« Reply #289 on: May 26, 2012, 11:43:55 AM »
There are no standards. It is just as well Mackie plays for Queens Park Rangers and not a bigger club, or that poor lad might have been hounded out of the game hahahahahah
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Re: Suarez gets it spot on
« Reply #290 on: May 26, 2012, 12:30:21 PM »
More comical is the fact that the FA has claimed to have clamped down on racism but their record is incredibly patchy, and you're more likely to get a ban if you complain about a ref, etc..

Even more comical is the fact that you can be homophobic as you want and you either get a slap on the wrist or it's ignored. Double standards and more from the authorities.
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Re: Suarez gets it spot on
« Reply #291 on: May 26, 2012, 12:42:43 PM »
right or not, I still wish he hadn't talked about it again.

Why not......if he really thinks/knows that he wasn't guilty then he will be burning to tell the truth time after time. Hiding it just annoys him. If you are innocent then you will keep stating the same thing no matter what.....if guilty then you'll shut up and move on.

The only other option is that he is a fool who is guilty and who wants to rake it up again........which none of us here believe.
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Re: Suarez gets it spot on
« Reply #292 on: May 26, 2012, 01:05:19 PM »
The thing is Terry may not be found guilty due to it not being 'beyond a reasonable doubt', if that happens you have a feeling he won't be charged by the FA. This is a problem because Suarez and Terry will then have been judged by COMPLETELY different standards.

This bothers me too because I can totally see it happening, despite the fact that the FA operate to a lower burden of proof, I fear they will use the court's decision to hide behind having to punish him. The fact they haven't gone ahead with it despite the CPS saying they can do shows they're trying to get away with dealing with it IMO.
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Suarez gets it spot on
« Reply #293 on: May 26, 2012, 01:24:19 PM »
Good job missing the point... Why is it Terry gets his day in a real court, while Suarez had to deal with a panel of three 'independent' lawyers who were employed by the FA to overview a case in which the FA were acting as the prosecution (despite the fact that the FA's representatives on the pitch, the referee and his assistants, had no idea what Suarez and Evra said to each other)? It seems to me the only difference is there is actually some evidence against Terry, at least enough for the CPS to try and prosecute him, so the FA had to step out of the way so they didn't prejudice the trial. Whereas there wasn't enough evidence against Suarez so the FA had no such barrier and could carry out whatever brain dead, unfair 'trial' they liked and of course get the verdict that suited them.

Perhaps most importantly, why do the FA think they have the authority to charge and punish people with racism? In this country racism is a criminal offence so it should be dealt with the criminal courts first and foremost. If the FA then want to add their own punishments after someone is found guilty that is fine, it is how fans accused of offences at and around football grounds are handled, why should it be any different for the players?

In these cases the FA have acted correctly with Terry (at least outside of the national team) whereas they acted incorrectly with Suarez. That is the injustice, because of a lack of evidence the Suarez case got treated differently than the Terry case where there is some actual evidence, that clearly is wrong.

My final worry is will the FA punish Terry if he is found guilty, or state that as the courts have dealt with him there is no need for them to add to it? Will Terry get an 8 match ban and a £40,000 fine from the FA if the real courts find him guilty? With how the FA have operated in the past there is no reason to be optimistic.

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Re: Suarez gets it spot on
« Reply #294 on: May 26, 2012, 01:30:31 PM »
This is going around in circles and going over arguments we've all been over, while the inital story was worth a thread we're now covering old ground and the thread needs quietly retiring because poking sticks into wounds doesn't accomplish much.
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