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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #40 on: May 25, 2012, 01:06:58 AM »
THE Football Association boss who sent a racist email to friends is still working for the governing body.

Peter Brown forwarded the offensive gag from his business account – hours before Bulgarian fans hurled racist abuse at black England players in September.

He was due to retire at the end of December but is still at Bedfordshire FA to ensure a “smooth handover” to his successor Keith Stroud, 42.

Mr Brown, 65, had made a public apology and offered to quit during an investigation.

But FA bosses, who recently banned Liverpool’s Luis Suarez for eight games following racist comments, took no action against the chief executive.

A source said: “It’s as though grassroots football has little appetite to confront racism, which is shameful.”

Bedfordshire FA chairman Richard Robinson said: “Peter will commence his delayed retirement later in 2012.”

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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #41 on: May 25, 2012, 01:08:38 AM »
i wish this was in place in a way

not really like, just so suarez would have had the chance to actually win the case against him because he undoubtedly would've appealed it legally no
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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #42 on: May 25, 2012, 01:22:40 AM »
i wish this was in place in a way

not really like, just so suarez would have had the chance to actually win the case against him because he undoubtedly would've appealed it legally no

This clause forcibly inserted into a player's contract would have had zero effect on Suarez.

The proposed clause gives a club the explicit right to terminate a players contract if they are found guilty of "racism".  Taylor didn't clarify who has to declare the player guilty of "racism" (what a mealy mouthed stupid charge) before a contract can be terminated.  I'm sure the first case will have to go to court. 


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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #43 on: May 25, 2012, 01:48:39 AM »
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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #44 on: May 25, 2012, 02:02:28 AM »
There's a goalkeeper from the lowers who killed two kids while drink driving. After a very short sentence, 3-4 years, he's been on day release and training. When he gets released in a month he will be given a trial. Now forgive me, the name escapes me, but that's not the point. The point is, I've not seen a comment from this tat regarding the matter.

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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #45 on: May 25, 2012, 02:09:37 AM »
School sports days will never be the same.

hey.  words injure. 

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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #46 on: May 25, 2012, 02:17:19 AM »
That's the PFA chairman fucked then.
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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #47 on: May 25, 2012, 02:23:07 AM »
Found guilty by the law or the FA? Surely you couldn't sack someone because the FA think they "probably" did it.

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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #48 on: May 25, 2012, 02:24:43 AM »
He'll definitely be singing a different tune if John Terry is found guilty (let's just face it, he'll get off scott-free).

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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #49 on: May 25, 2012, 02:29:28 AM »
hey.  words injure. 
Where does it end? First the sack racists, next the three legged racists, then the egg and spoon racists!
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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #50 on: May 25, 2012, 02:30:49 AM »
There's a goalkeeper from the lowers who killed two kids while drink driving. After a very short sentence, 3-4 years, he's been on day release and training. When he gets released in a month he will be given a trial. Now forgive me, the name escapes me, but that's not the point. The point is, I've not seen a comment from this tat regarding the matter.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/2012/05/24/goalkeeper-luke-mccormick-being-given-second-chance-by-swindon-four-years-after-drink-drive-killing-86908-23871876/

As mentioned above there is also his wholehearted condemnation of a convicted rapist (i.e. convicted by a jury in a court of law rather than by a FA panel).

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Professional Footballers' Association chief executive Gordon Taylor has defended the decision to name jailed Sheffield United striker Ched Evans in the PFA League One team of the year.

Evans was confirmed in the team, which was voted for by players last month, days after he was jailed for rape.

Taylor said: "That was a football judgement by his fellow professionals, it was not a moral judgement.

"If he had been removed, it would have created more of a storm."

As an aside though, if a footballer (whether it be Luis Suarez or John Terry) was convicted of a racially aggravated offence, how would you want their club to handle it? Personally I believe that if they have a criminal court on their side the should go ahead and sack them for gross misconduct and challenge the player to take them to an employment tribunal and argue that racially abusing someone is not grounds for dismissal.

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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #51 on: May 25, 2012, 02:53:52 AM »
Where does it end? First the sack racists, next the three legged racists, then the egg and spoon racists!

the grapefruit spoon racists have a point.



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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #52 on: May 25, 2012, 02:56:34 AM »
Ah excellent stuff, that will be Suarez gone next year so, when he is no doubt found guilty again at the Behest of Utd. Great move by this shower of absolute shite.
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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #53 on: May 25, 2012, 03:45:57 AM »
Ah excellent stuff, that will be Suarez gone next year so, when he is no doubt found guilty again at the Behest of Utd. Great move by this shower of absolute shite.
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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #54 on: May 25, 2012, 04:01:41 AM »
If found guilty by an internal review, or by a court of law, can't disagree. Noone else would be credible imho.

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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #55 on: May 25, 2012, 05:24:20 AM »
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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #56 on: May 25, 2012, 06:21:11 AM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18084454

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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #57 on: May 25, 2012, 07:05:15 AM »
i wish this was in place in a way

not really like, just so suarez would have had the chance to actually win the case against him because he undoubtedly would've appealed it legally no

Yes he would. And if any court of law had tried him on the laughable inconsistent tutored 'evidence' then it would have been rejected.

Evra changed his story several times. Was coached. And even with all the cameras about and all the players there - not one single person or camera backed his story up. And one of his own team mates (Hernandez) backed up Suarez's version of events and confirmed what Suarez had said about it being a nick name. Of course that was stricken from the records because it didn't fit the FAs agenda.

Disgusting Xenophobic racist Bigoted bastards that they are. This is why I hate the English Football team so much. It would turn my stomach to see Xenophobic bigoted twats like this succeed at anything. Who the fucking hell are they to tell other people what their own fucking language means and who the fuck are they to fucking preach to the World - especially given the role England has had in racism and dealing with slaves and current issues with racism today.

I think the whole battle against racism took several steps back with their fucking stitched up dealing of this issue. They were there to score fucking political points against UEFA and Suarez was convenient with this.

This country is a fucking disgrace at the moment. Fairness, decency, honour and honesty is alien to its mindset. Will it ever change? I doubt it, sadly.
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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #58 on: May 25, 2012, 07:53:26 AM »
Dear Mr Taylor

Does this apply to FA employee Mr Pearce?

No, oh carry on then.
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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #59 on: July 24, 2012, 11:22:09 AM »
Gordon Taylor complains of 'tribalism' by clubs involved in racism controversies

Taylor explained in an exclusive interview how the antipathy felt between Liverpool and Manchester United, and Chelsea and Queens Park Rangers prevented conciliation by the players’ union.

Both on-pitch incidents escalated into scandals that, after 30 years of progress in tackling racism, have left English football's image in tatters.

The Football Association is still weighing up whether to charge Terry for using racist language. He admitted doing so to a court, although on July 13 the judge cleared him of a racially aggravated public-order offence after accepting it was “possible” Terry believed Anton Ferdinand had used the same language first.

Taylor believes both matters could have been resolved out of the public eye.

“I tried to put [the players] together but I found that very difficult to do without the backing of the clubs,” said Taylor.

“The minute that both occasions happened I was in touch with the clubs and the players and immediately it was extremely difficult. It is tribal and they were putting the wagons round.

“The problem lies in the fact that players are not just human beings but players of value belonging to a club and [the clubs] feel they owe the players loyalty and need to be united and solid.

"If the club is not seen to defend them when they’re in trouble they’ve got themselves into a difficult position.”

Taylor leads arguably the most inclusive and diverse management structure in all of sports administration: four management-committee members and four of its trustees are from black or minority-ethnic backgrounds has been caught up in the row.

Several senior black players feel let down by their union and there is even talk of setting up a rival organisation for the black and minority-ethnic players.

But Taylor insists the PFA immediately condemned Liverpool players and coaching staff for wearing white T-shirts in a public show of support for Suárez, who was banned for eight matches after repeatedly using a racist term towards the United defender Patrice Evra.

When the two clubs met again at Old Trafford, Suárez refused to shake Evra’s hand in the pre-match show of respect.

“We condemned the T-shirts, and we felt it put Glen Johnson in an extremely difficult position,” added Taylor.

“When you had the embarrassment of the handshake at Old Trafford we had to make sure the owners were involved because it impacted on the image of the game throughout the world.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/9421975/Exclusive-Gordon-Taylor-complains-of-tribalism-by-clubs-involved-in-racism-controversies.html
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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #60 on: July 24, 2012, 11:27:39 AM »
Put Glen Johnson in an akward position?

What? That he's black, and doesn't think his friend is a racist?

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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #61 on: July 24, 2012, 11:34:59 AM »
Put Glen Johnson in an akward position?

What? That he's black, and doesn't think his friend is a racist?

Poor little Glen Johnson can't think for himself and needs Gordon Taylor and the PFA to do it for him.
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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #62 on: July 24, 2012, 01:42:57 PM »
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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #63 on: July 24, 2012, 01:45:27 PM »
The pre-match handshake is not a show of respect, it's a formality.


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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #64 on: July 24, 2012, 01:51:25 PM »
Glen Johnson knows his own mind, his response to the unfair criticism he received is tantamount to that.  He's seems a strong-willed bloke who stands up for what he believes in.  He wouldn't partake in something if he didn't agree with it.

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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #65 on: July 24, 2012, 01:56:30 PM »
why is this utter c*nt still in a job. stealing a living.

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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #66 on: July 24, 2012, 01:57:21 PM »
Stop using Glen as justification for your shit opinions and actions you giant helmet-headed meff.

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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #67 on: July 24, 2012, 02:12:21 PM »
I don't think that in the initial post Gordon Taylor is saying that Clubs should sack players who are convicted of racist behaviour. He's saying that club should be allowed sack players convicted of racist behaviour if that is what they want to do. He wants to allow clubs to be able to consider it as gross misconduct, in the way that say a conviction that gets you a jail sentence already is. If you go to jail for rape, or killing someone with your car. The club is already entitled to sack you, if they choose. You've done something awful, and you can't turn up for work because you are in jail.

This wouldn't have applied to Luis Suarez as we didn't want to sack him.

However imagine a situation where a hypothetical  player gets involved in an unpleasant racially motivated incident, and he definitely does it. Would you want that player still at the club? or would you like the club to be able to fire him, or would you rather the club had to pay him compensation? In fairness, increasing the power to sack people for certain things, is a consistent position for the PFA to hold. In a situation where you are looking at setting the interests of one person convicted of racial abuse, against the interests of black footballers not to be racially abused, a union like the PFA is  going to side with the many against the convicted few.

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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #68 on: July 24, 2012, 02:26:18 PM »
So when is he going to call for rio ferdinands sacking for endorsing racist tweets on twitter (ones that the police investigate)

As for johnno pretty sure he said his bit on this in an interview with the mail a few months ago
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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #69 on: July 24, 2012, 02:43:47 PM »
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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #70 on: July 24, 2012, 02:54:37 PM »
I don't think that in the initial post Gordon Taylor is saying that Clubs should sack players who are convicted of racist behaviour. He's saying that club should be allowed sack players convicted of racist behaviour if that is what they want to do.

No he's not. He's making another derivative public relations point in the national press, designed to big up his own reputation. There's absolutely no substance to the man - it's just another gobshite that wants to pander to the masses that spent last season cluelessly chanting "we know what you are". They can all fucking do one, because none of their words have anything to do with anti-racism causes.
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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #71 on: July 24, 2012, 03:21:24 PM »
No he's not. He's making another derivative public relations point in the national press, designed to big up his own reputation. There's absolutely no substance to the man - it's just another gobshite that wants to pander to the masses that spent last season cluelessly chanting "we know what you are". They can all fucking do one, because none of their words have anything to do with anti-racism causes.

 You're not telling me what he is saying, you're telling me what kind of man you think he is. I think the technical term is an ad hominem argument. You're playing the man not the ball. Now him being a gobshite may be relevant to his motivation, but you're not really engaging with what he's saying. And even if his words are just meaningless, (i'm really not a fan of his btw)  you probably would have to admit that making racist abuse a sackable offence does have something to do with anti racism causes. it's massively increasing the possible punishment if you are convicted. If you believe that people's behaviour is influenced by the possible consequences of their actions, then it should have an effect on the overall level of racial abuse.

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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #72 on: July 24, 2012, 03:25:07 PM »
You're not telling me what he is saying, you're telling me what kind of man you think he is. I think the technical term is an ad hominem argument. You're playing the man not the ball. Now him being a gobshite may be relevant to his motivation, but you're not really engaging with what he's saying. And even if his words are just meaningless, (i'm really not a fan of his btw)  you probably would have to admit that making racist abuse a sackable offence does have something to do with anti racism causes. it's massively increasing the possible punishment if you are convicted. If you believe that people's behaviour is influenced by the possible consequences of their actions, then it should have an effect on the overall level of racial abuse.

No, I'm just calling him out for what he's really saying. His argument is irrelevant.
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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #73 on: July 24, 2012, 03:41:26 PM »
And logical fallacies like ad hominem are for use during a discussion or debate where back-and-forth point/counter-point is made, to ensure that there is a series of logical parameters that each participant agrees to in order to get at the truth of the matter. As I'm not dissecting his argument but rather making a call on his credibility, the call for ad hominem is irrelevant.
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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #74 on: July 24, 2012, 03:45:59 PM »
Sepp Blatter - November 2011.
(Talking about players on the field)
     "He should say that this is a game. We are in a game, and at the end of the game, we shake hands"

The F.A. - November 2011.
    Sepp Blatter's comments are 'insensitive and not what you want to hear from someone who should be leading the game'.



Gordon Taylor - July 2012:
      Taylor believes both matters could have been resolved out of the public eye.

What's that Mr. Taylor.  You mean players should act like men?
Does this include discussing the matter in a civil manner, and maybe an apology or a handshake.  ;)

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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #75 on: July 24, 2012, 03:46:01 PM »
And logical fallacies like ad hominem are for use during a discussion or debate where back-and-forth point/counter-point is made, to ensure that there is a series of logical parameters that each participant agrees to in order to get at the truth of the matter. As I'm not dissecting his argument but rather making a call on his credibility, the call for ad hominem is irrelevant.

Oh. I didn't realise that you were just venting a bit. Carry on, it's a great release, and he certainly deserves his share of abuse. but is this a good way to look at the world, or is it just kicking the cat?

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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #76 on: July 24, 2012, 03:49:05 PM »
Oh. I didn't realise that you were just venting a bit. Carry on, it's a great release, and he certainly deserves his share of abuse. but is this a good way to look at the world, or is it just kicking the cat?

No, I was obviously debunking his carefully constructed argument.

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Re: Sack the racists - Gordon Taylor
« Reply #77 on: July 24, 2012, 04:00:26 PM »
Think we are done here.
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