Topic: Brendan Rodgers

[Callaghan.]

At the very least i'll be able to share my name with the Liverpool manager, didn't think that would happen.

What, Nob?

[peachybum]

I thought you liked Martinez?

I do. But now as i say i've been convinced by Rodgers. Maybe i'm getting swept away in soap opera that it our manager search! But I'll be pretty deflated if its Bobby now.

I'll probably feel different as it develops tomorrow 

[andspecks]

Haha sorry! I didn't see you wrote it!

Wasn't complaining! Just commenting. Great minds think alike and all that

[JackWard33]

Stop living in the past and look toward the future, the first step is acceptance.

Acceptance of what, our status as you see it or gross continuing miss management as I see it?

Acceptance of us being mid table and only attracting mid table talent in playing and management is only the first step to it being this way for a long time

I want ownership that is determined to change it and put us where we were just a few short years ago

[NZ Red]

Got a much better gut feeling about Rodgers instead of Martinez. Neither are near the top of my wish list, but I'd feel a lot more secure with Rodgers in charge. It's a massive gamble going for either of those two though.

[the_red_pill]

I havn't really been on much mate

Aaah okay. I think if we have a DoF structure, such a thing would work as the manager will now only be the head coach. His function would basically be to motivate players, get them playing as a team and keep them fit as well as work on tactics. The basics- without the need to worry about other stuff. Similar to what we've seen under Kenny/Comolli, but more structured and organised with everyone fully aware of their roles.

In this system, the DoF and/or the Technical Director are the head honchos. The ones with cojones. The coaches are a dime-a-dozen and they come in and go without mass changes expected because the DoF/Technical Director, establishes, directs and maintains the club's football principles and vision.

[the_red_pill]

I said we are a mid-table team, not a mid table club. I don't see how you can argue that we aren't. 


5 years ago Bolton were 6th, Middlesborough were 7th and Man City were 8th- 5 years on 2 of them are inthe Championship and one is the holder of the Premier League. Hell 7 of the teams that were in the Premiership have since been relegated and Portsmouth are in League 1!

Stop living in the past and look toward the future, the first step is acceptance.

To be fair Shannon- we don't have to do that. The owners and staff at the club have to do this. We can happily go forth and live in the past and remember it and demand those heights and standards. It's how we keep our owners accountable. No problem there.

[5bigears]

Rather Klopp with Rafa as DoF, Guardiola as U18 coach, Cruyff as Technical Director and Kenny as ambassador than either of them and Van Gaal.

And a White Christmas?

[the_red_pill]

Acceptance of what our status as you see it or gross continuing miss management as I see it?

Acceptance of us being mid table and only attracting mid table talent in playing and management is only the first step to it being this way for a long time

I want ownership that is determined to change it and put us where we were just a few short years ago

'Zacto.

[Macphisto80]

A couple of seasons ago, when we were competing for the league and Champions league with regular top spots under Rafa, had anyone said then that we'd be going for likes of Rogers or Martinez in a few years, they'd promptly be told to fuck off and been laughed at. Sorry, but we should be aiming higher than this. We shouldn't be taking gambles with managers who have only literally applied their trade at lower clubs. Yes, people will bring up Shanks and his leap to us, but that was then, and this is now. Things are different. I'm personally gutted we're setting our sights on these two instead of trying to land someone bigger and showing a little more ambition.

[the_red_pill]

And a White Christmas?

All the goodies my imagination can dream of- anything.

It's all possible- even in my head and my dreams.
Maybe in an alternative reality?

[Markus_12]

Henderson will really fit in well under Rodgers.  As will Lucas and Shelvey.

[5bigears]

All the goodies my imagination can dream of- anything.

It's all possible- even in my head and my dreams.
Maybe in an alternative reality?

go the whole hog and have Mark Zuckerberg as a Sugar Daddy??

[Il Capitano]

This is just colossally boring now. Pick a manager already, fuckkk.

[Shannon]

Acceptance of what our status as you see it or gross continuing miss management as I see it?

Acceptance of us being mid table and only attracting mid table talent in playing and management is only the first step to it being this way for a long time

I want ownership that is determined to change it and put us where we were just a few short years ago

Nice how you completely ignored the rest of my post.

Anyway,

Where was:
Pep before Barcelona?
Di Matteo before Chelsea?
Rafa before Valencia?
Shankly before Liverpool?
Alex Ferguson before United?
Mourinho before Chelsea?

I could go on. Answers on a postcard please.

We have to accept we are currently a mid-table team, however we shouldn't be satisfied therein lies the difference.

Also if you get a minute I'd appreciate you commented on the rest of my post.

[Gifted Right Foot]

A couple of seasons ago, when we were competing for the league and Champions league with regular top spots under Rafa, had anyone said then that we'd be going for likes of Rogers or Martinez in a few years, they'd promptly be told to fuck off and been laughed at. Sorry, but we should be aiming higher than this. We shouldn't be taking gambles with managers who have only literally applied their trade at lower clubs. Yes, people will bring up Shanks and his leap to us, but that was then, and this is now. Things are different. I'm personally gutted we're setting our sights on these two instead of trying to land someone bigger and showing a little more ambition.

what if rogers was supported by someone like van gaal in the dof role?  it mixes experience and european pedigree with one of the best up and coming managers around who likes to play an attractive brand of football.  not bad really...

[JackWard33]

Nice how you completely ignored the rest of my post.

Anyway,

Where was:
Pep before Barcelona?
Di Matteo before Chelsea?
Rafa before Valencia?
Shankly before Liverpool?
Alex Ferguson before United?
Mourinho before Chelsea?

I could go on. Answers on a postcard please.

We have to accept we are currently a mid-table team, however we shouldn't be satisfied therein lies the difference.

Also if you get a minute I'd appreciate you commented on the rest of my post.

Pep was a fantastic player for Barca then groomed for the role
Di Matteo has been the manager of Chelsea for half a season so I don't see the relevance
We are a bigger club than Valencia
Shankly I'll give you but it took him years to get it right here
Ferguson won the scottish title beating teams with far greater resources
Mourinho...really....you didn't see anything he did with Porto?!?

Either of these 2 men would be a step down - they would have been assistant manager types here in the past.

Look at it another way what has changed from when we appointed Rafa to us after he'd crushed the big boys in Spain and won in europe? He was one of the most in demand coaches in Europe and he came here.
All that's really changed is the level of ambition of ownership

[alanjwilliams]

A couple of seasons ago, when we were competing for the league and Champions league with regular top spots under Rafa, had anyone said then that we'd be going for likes of Rogers or Martinez in a few years, they'd promptly be told to fuck off and been laughed at.

You could be right. However if FSG are restructuring the club as suggested then the job descriptions are not the same so it's difficult to compare the role Rafa had side by side with what FSG are looking for now. You can only assess Rodgers for the role he is being asked to fill, and I think he might actually be well suited, if all the press/blogs are to be believed.

[the_red_pill]

go the whole hog and have Mark Zuckerberg as a Sugar Daddy??

You sure, you're not the voice in my head?

Nah, but seriously- whoever it is, we have to back them. Don't think people will be happier either way, but maybe Rodger's philosophy will console them. If we announce a DoF- with pedigree, like Txixi or Van Gaal then I think we'll be much more satisfied.

The sudden reports of us going back to Rodgers though, suggests that maybe he's our man? Since we know(and have been warned[humiliating]) not to approach him for an interview, but with an offer. So this could mean Martinez is out.

[Mizerooskie]

Pep was a fantastic player for Barca then groomed for the role
Di Matteo has been the manager of Chelsea for half a season so I don't see the relevance
We are a bigger club than Valencia
Shankly I'll give you but it took him years to get it right here
Ferguson won the scottish title beating teams with far greater resources
Mourinho...really....you didn't see anything he did with Porto?!?

Either of these 2 men would be a step down - they would have been assistant manager types here in the past.

Look at it another way what has changed from when we appointed Rafa to us after he'd crushed the big boys in Spain and won in europe? He was one of the most in demand coaches in Europe and he came here.
All that's really changed is the level of ambition of ownership

Where was Conte before Juventus?
Where was Allegri before Milan?

Those are clubs on our level, with a similar management structure to what we'll have in place.

Having a DoF and Head Coach is very much a continental setup.  The omnipotent manager seems to be exclusive to the PL, for the most part.

[Macphisto80]

what if rogers was supported by someone like van gaal in the dof role?  it mixes experience and european pedigree with one of the best up and coming managers around who likes to play an attractive brand of football.  not bad really...

And that's enough to place him at one of the biggest clubs in the world? Roy Evans had an attractive brand of football too, but he was never taking us anywhere with it. It's either we lack ambition, or we really are truly a mid-table club in every aspect.

[Les Willis]

Tonight has been the first time I've actually really considered Rodgers as a potential candidate and now having read quite a few articles about him, it seems that he would be a positive appointment. I'll wait till it's announced first though before going overboard.

[JackWard33]

Those are clubs on our level, with a similar management structure to what we'll have in place.

We don't currently have anything in place.
If we put something in place with the right people and use it to go after players that can make a difference then I can see the sense in a head coach role
But you'll forgive me if I right now I don't see the managers of Wigan and Swansea as anything other than a step down for us from where we should be

[Shannon]

To be fair Shannon- we don't have to do that. The owners and staff at the club have to do this. We can happily go forth and live in the past and remember it and demand those heights and standards. It's how we keep our owners accountable. No problem there.

Therein lies the problem, the supporters levels of expectancy are often so high they are unrealistic, this causes resentment of the owners for not attaining these targets. If you want proof go to the Andy Carroll threads and you will still see people writing 'We could have got Aguero for less money than Carroll, stupid decision by the management'. When realistically we would never have had any chance of getting Aguero.

[QC]

A couple of seasons ago, when we were competing for the league and Champions league with regular top spots under Rafa, had anyone said then that we'd be going for likes of Rogers or Martinez in a few years, they'd promptly be told to fuck off and been laughed at. Sorry, but we should be aiming higher than this. We shouldn't be taking gambles with managers who have only literally applied their trade at lower clubs. Yes, people will bring up Shanks and his leap to us, but that was then, and this is now. Things are different. I'm personally gutted we're setting our sights on these two instead of trying to land someone bigger and showing a little more ambition.

And a few years ago we had Alonso, Mascherano and Torres. Times change and you have to adapt; we can aim all we want at the big names, but currently, there are bigger more successful clubs than us, and they have first pick.

[Mizerooskie]

We don't currently have anything in place.
If we put something in place with the right people and use it to go after players that can make a difference then I can see the sense in a head coach role
But you'll forgive me if I right now I don't see the managers of Wigan and Swansea as anything other than a step down for us from where we should be

It's what we will have in place. 

Again, were managers of Cagliari and Siena a step down from where Milan and Juventus should be?

[Macphisto80]

Where was Conte before Juventus?
Where was Allegri before Milan?

Those are clubs on our level, with a similar management structure to what we'll have in place.

Does Serie A and those teams mentioned  have 3 spending juggernauts in the top 4? We're 7th in our league, have three or four teams capable of outspending us, and that's not even including sides like Arsenal and Newcastle who look better.

[JackWard33]

And a few years ago we had Alonso, Mascherano and Torres. Times change and you have to adapt; we can aim all we want at the big names, but currently, there are bigger more successful clubs than us, and they have first pick.

There were 'bigger' clubs than us when we signed all those players

[Mr Kipling]

Anyone looked at @duncanjenkinsFC recently?

Was getting excited about Rogers being appointed, but not so sure now

[Camarero25]

Anyone looked at @duncanjenkinsFC recently?

Was getting excited about Rogers being appointed, but not so sure now

Why?

[JackWard33]

It's what we will have in place. 

Again, were managers of Cagliari and Siena a step down from where Milan and Juventus should be?

And if they were why does that prove its the right answer for us?
You can always find examples that prove anything, there are many examples of managers from lower leagues failing at big clubs

[Mizerooskie]

Does Serie A and those teams mentioned  have 3 spending juggernauts in the top 4? We're 7th in our league, have three or four teams capable of outspending us, and that's not even including sides like Arsenal and Newcastle who look better.

Juventus was in Serie B 5 years ago, and 7th last season.

I really don't see what the comment about spending juggernauts has to do with the manager/head coach.

[WhiteHeat]

Anyone looked at @duncanjenkinsFC recently?

Was getting excited about Rogers being appointed, but not so sure now

Don't see anything off-putting in there except 'LFC scouted Joe Allen last season' but even then he looked a gifted player.

[rastaferio]

A couple of seasons ago, when we were competing for the league and Champions league with regular top spots under Rafa, had anyone said then that we'd be going for likes of Rogers or Martinez in a few years, they'd promptly be told to fuck off and been laughed at. Sorry, but we should be aiming higher than this. We shouldn't be taking gambles with managers who have only literally applied their trade at lower clubs. Yes, people will bring up Shanks and his leap to us, but that was then, and this is now. Things are different. I'm personally gutted we're setting our sights on these two instead of trying to land someone bigger and showing a little more ambition.

As mentioned by a few posters already, the last few seasons we've finished 6-8th. We're not "1 or two signings from the top," as many repeatedly state like its that simple. Show more ambition? Does that mean shelling out millions of pounds on a top manager in hopes that they can turn our crop into a stellar side? I dont think that's very ambitious. Sure, they may be proven at the top level, but I believe Kenny was too. An expensive or experienced manager doesn't guarantee results. Minnows can surprise you too [see Antonio Conte].

If it is indeed Rodgers (since this is his thread) that's appointed on Friday, he'll be chomping at the bit to ply his trade with our group. As for ambition, I think his football philosophy (as outlined at the beginning of the thread) shows plenty of it.  We might as well sit back and see what he can do, since no matter how much whining any of us do, we don't own the club and we don't make the decisions. Swansea played brilliant football at times this season, taking points from many of the top teams, and finished just 5 points off of us.

[Macphisto80]

Juventus was in Serie B 5 years ago, and 7th last season.

I really don't see what the comment about spending juggernauts has to do with the manager/head coach.

Juventus got caught fixing games ffs. What do you expect? They are still one of the top sides over there. They have massive clout in that league, and even had officials in their pocket. Oh, and you were comparing their set up to the one we could have. That's what the manager has to do with it.

[Mizerooskie]

And if they were why does that prove its the right answer for us?
You can always find examples that prove anything, there are many examples of managers from lower leagues failing at big clubs

And there are examples of managers from lower leagues/clubs succeeding at big clubs, which is why simply looking at the level at which a candidate has coached is a worthless exercise in determining his worth.

Evaluate the man, his tactical ability, his philosophy, his communication skills, his leadership skills, etc.

[Mizerooskie]

Juventus got caught fixing games ffs. What do you expect? They are still one of the top sides over there. They have massive clout in that league, and even had officials in their pocket.

You don't think we'll have massive clout in the league if we start winning again?

[Mr Kipling]

Look at the twitter page background. it has a tiled "2010 Soccerlens Awards: Best Football Journalist" logo

http://soccerlensawards.com/best-football-journalist/

[Shannon]

Pep was a fantastic player for Barca then groomed for the role
Di Matteo has been the manager of Chelsea for half a season so I don't see the relevance
We are a bigger club than Valencia
Shankly I'll give you but it took him years to get it right here
Ferguson won the scottish title beating teams with far greater resources
Mourinho...really....you didn't see anything he did with Porto?!?

Either of these 2 men would be a step down - they would have been assistant manager types here in the past.

Look at it another way what has changed from when we appointed Rafa to us after he'd crushed the big boys in Spain and won in europe? He was one of the most in demand coaches in Europe and he came here.
All that's really changed is the level of ambition of ownership

Pep managed Barca B team
Di Matteo was sacked from the WBA job because they were on a ten game losing streak and just above the relegation zone before winning the Champions League a year and 3 months later
You even admit that Rafa's move to Liverpool was a massive step up
Ferguson was still managing in a much weaker league than the Premier League
Sorry I mean Jose before Porto not Chelsea

Anyway, maybe Rogers is only going to be in on a year contract to steady the ship and get us to 4th where we can attract a more well re-known manager.  But for you to be talking they way you are suggests you know nothing about Rodgers other than his less than exotic name and the fact he manages Swansea.

[Macphisto80]

Evaluate the man, his tactical ability, his philosophy, his communication skills, his leadership skills, etc.

I already have.

"Wayne Rooney is as good as Messi." - Brendan Rodgers.