Author Topic: Brendan Rodgers (Read 147436 times)

BEAST · « **Reply #120 on:** May 24, 2012, 12:50:00 AM »

Quote from: ghost1359 on May 24, 2012, 12:44:52 AM

I appreciate you can't go full guns blazing all the time & you do have to wait for your opponents to venture out to try & find the gaps, their style of play just doesn't excite me though. Maybe it's just me. Also, controversial statement maybe, but I don't think our players are intelligent enough to play like that, can you imagine Enrique playing in a system like that? or Adam? or Downing? Not a chance.

Adam would be bacon for the frying pan under either Rodgers or Villas Boas, it'd be a really poor fit. Downing would probably not be their cup of tea either.

Outer Mongolian Red · « **Reply #121 on:** May 24, 2012, 12:55:09 AM »

Well he's done a lot if interviews anyway but he comes across quite well to be fair.As a lot of people have said already he'd be a lot more preferable than Martinez.

sminp · « **Reply #122 on:** May 24, 2012, 01:44:11 AM »

Quote from: BEAST on May 24, 2012, 12:50:00 AM

Adam would be bacon for the frying pan under either Rodgers or Villas Boas, it'd be a really poor fit. Downing would probably not be their cup of tea either.

Adam would struggle in any side with aspirations like ours that wants to play pass and move because he can hardly move. Downing's attributes should mean he'd fit in but he's going to have to drastically improve on this season, I have significant doubts about his mental strength to play for a club with the kind of pressure here though.

Saint Kopite™ · « **Reply #123 on:** May 24, 2012, 01:52:06 AM »

Some belter of posts in this thread. Have to say though, I am slowly warming to the idea of Rodgers managing us but then again I honestly don't know who is THE man to manage us because tehre seems to be some sort of issues or negatives with almost all of them.

Saint Kopite™ · « **Reply #124 on:** May 24, 2012, 01:52:54 AM »

Quote from: Juan Loco on May 24, 2012, 12:49:17 AM

Juan, Has Rodgers tried to play with any other formation other than 4-2-3-1/4-3-3?

Juan Loco · « **Reply #125 on:** May 24, 2012, 02:58:34 AM »

Quote from: Saint Kopite™ on May 24, 2012, 01:52:54 AM

Juan, Has Rodgers tried to play with any other formation other than 4-2-3-1/4-3-3?

Not that I can think of mate. Rodgers has been reasonably regimented since he got there I think. The big change has been adding Sigurdsson so they've got a really smart player playing in the hole. That's the biggest difference to the shape I've seen in how they've set up from the time Rodgers has taken over until now.

Mr Dilkington · « **Reply #126 on:** May 24, 2012, 03:15:36 AM »

Quote from: Saint Kopite™ on May 24, 2012, 01:52:54 AM

Juan, Has Rodgers tried to play with any other formation other than 4-2-3-1/4-3-3?

They played with 3-4-3 in one of the last games of the season against Wolves. A game which finished 4-4. They didn't try it again.

The thing you notice about that game was that Jarvis basically ran them raged. Plus Fletcher scored a header, so it's safe to say there were a lot of teething problems with that formation in that particular game.

By the way, I know a guy who used to play under Rodgers. He can't speak highly enough of the guy. The training is fun, it's basically all with the ball.

When he left Watford to go to Reading, he took every single player in the Watford squad into his office and had a brief meeting with all of them. Dunno what he said to the others like, but he said to the fella I know that he was the best 100k he would ever spend in his career (If he gets the Liverpool job then that should remain true!) Tried to take him to Reading on the last day of the transfer window too.

He was very close to his players in training too. Spoke them through everything. Another thing that impressed me was that every single thing they did in training was explained. Basically 'this is what we're doing; this is why we're doing it'.

From everything I hear about him, he's very impressive. I would not complain at all if he was sitting in the home dugout come the first game of the season.

Juan Loco · « **Reply #127 on:** May 24, 2012, 03:19:14 AM »

To be fair about that Wolves game Dilks, I remember watching that. It was the early kick-off on a Saturday quite early on in the season, and when Swansea were still going to get over their "away win" hump. They absolutely dominated Wolves for a good 85 minutes of that game. Infact, I think it was the game McCarthy came out afterwards and criticised his own fans for booing the team in. It was a late collapse from Swansea, but it wasn't that they didn't look a well oiled machine or anything like that. They just shat themselves when that first away win was in sight. They totally deserved to win it as well.

Fletcher scoring with a header is par for the course

Mr Dilkington · « **Reply #128 on:** May 24, 2012, 03:23:03 AM »

Are you thinking of the game at Molinuex mate?

Juan Loco · « **Reply #129 on:** May 24, 2012, 03:28:20 AM »

Quote from: Mr Dilkington on May 24, 2012, 03:23:03 AM

Are you thinking of the game at Molinuex mate?

Oh yeah. Totally am mate. You're thinking of the 4-4?

Edit: Fletcher didn't score in the home game, did he?

Mr Dilkington · « **Reply #130 on:** May 24, 2012, 03:30:10 AM »

Quote from: Juan Loco on May 24, 2012, 03:28:20 AM

Oh yeah. Totally am mate. You're thinking of the 4-4?

Yup.

Now you're on it though, Swansea were genuinely magnificent that day at Molinuex. I seem to remember that being one of the very first games I saw Allen play, and in turn was very impressed.

Think that was their standard 4-3-3.

Saint Kopite™ · « **Reply #131 on:** May 24, 2012, 04:14:06 AM »

Cheers guys.

Wanted to know if he ever played 4-4-2 last season because this season I don't think Graham and Moore have started together. May be once or twice. Who used to be their main striker, last season? I know it was Borini but did they have anyone else?

Juan Loco · « **Reply #132 on:** May 24, 2012, 04:33:55 AM »

Quote from: Saint Kopite™ on May 24, 2012, 04:14:06 AM

Cheers guys.

Wanted to know if he ever played 4-4-2 last season because this season I don't think Graham and Moore have started together. May be once or twice. Who used to be their main striker, last season? I know it was Borini but did they have anyone else?

Borini came in on loan the back end of last season. They had Stephen Dobbie there and Luke Moore too, but most of the goals were coming from Sinclair.

Saint Kopite™ · « **Reply #133 on:** May 24, 2012, 04:52:52 AM »

Quote from: Juan Loco on May 24, 2012, 04:33:55 AM

Borini came in on loan the back end of last season. They had Stephen Dobbie there and Luke Moore too, but most of the goals were coming from Sinclair.

Cheers for the info.

marcus50bucks · « **Reply #134 on:** May 24, 2012, 07:22:25 AM »

Quote from: Juan Loco on May 24, 2012, 02:58:34 AM

Not that I can think of mate. Rodgers has been reasonably regimented since he got there I think. The big change has been adding Sigurdsson so they've got a really smart player playing in the hole. That's the biggest difference to the shape I've seen in how they've set up from the time Rodgers has taken over until now.

Only think that concerns me is will he be able to convince big name players especially those from abroad to buy into his project as I doubt he's got a reputation overseas. Perhaps I'm being naive and that's what Van Gaal rule will be if appointed

MassDriver · « **Reply #135 on:** May 24, 2012, 07:50:18 AM »

Quote from: Juan Loco on May 23, 2012, 11:25:00 PM

Not a fan of the possession statistics in general because I think they can be skewed, but for the sake of research I had a quick look at Swansea's possession statistics this season to see just how much they 'controlled' their games with what is, in general, a poor collection of players.

Swansea have had more of the ball than their opponents in 30 of their 38 league games this season. In the 8 games they didn't have the majority of possession they shared equal possession time on three occasions - Villa away, Chelsea away, Manchester United at home.

Only 5 times this season have their opposition had more of the ball. Those five games- Chelsea home, Liverpool away, United away, Wigan away and Arsenal away. For those who care - although this isn't the reason I'm doing it - 2 draws, 2 losses and a win.

I also had a little look, just to see, how many people actually managed to hold the ball a decent amount of time in their games at the liberty. Only one team had more time in possession than them (Chelsea) and only Manchester United and WBA managed to keep Swansea at 55% of the ball or under.

Again, it's just the possession statistic, but I think it's interesting in the case of a team like Swansea, a bastardised mixture of youngsters and lower-league journeymen, that this monopoly of possession allows them defensive solidity. Lest we forget, this is a defence of Angel Rangel, Ashley Williams, Steven Caulker and Neil Taylor. Two very young players who have only experienced lower league, and a couple of lower league veterans. They've shielded by Leon Britton, another lower league veteran. They aren't a good set of players, so this possession is key.

If you can translate this domination of the ball to good players?

*Shrugs*

That's the question. Whether Rodgers is a man capable of doing that and whether you'd get a worthwhile pay-off, with a superior set of footballers, working with the same principles.

I know you are not Martinez's biggest fan Juan but out of the two(Rodgers and Martinez) , whose style do you think would translate better at a club like Liverpool? Retaining the ball has not been that big a problem for us. I suppose we are up there in the top 5-6 in terms of ball retention this season , it was a lack of ideas on what to do with that possession that undid us in my opinion.

Rodgers pure possession style with emphasis on retaining the ball at all costs , even if it means circulating the ball among the back 5 for long periods or Martinez's more dynamic approach with more movement and flexibility but at the cost of defensive solidity.

Both are enthusiasts of the European game and both believe in passing football. So both have the fundamentals in place at least.

conman · « **Reply #136 on:** May 24, 2012, 09:22:48 AM »

Got reading most of the first page, he seems like a very good candidate for the job... perhaps a year or 2 early.. but I'd be rather optimistic if he were appointed, providing there was a good structure set in place around him (DOF, etc). He has worked with Clarke previously, the scouting will take care of itself. He often travels with the Spanish team, so Pepe & co would know him, and can speak favourably to the rest of the squad about him (if he believes in him).

Plus, their performances against us and in the premier league in general should make our lads take notice.

Chakan · « **Reply #137 on:** May 24, 2012, 09:23:45 AM »

Correct me if i'm wrong didn't he turn down the chance to talk to us or has that changed?

helmboy_nige · « **Reply #138 on:** May 24, 2012, 09:49:53 AM »

Quote from: Chakan on May 24, 2012, 09:23:45 AM

Correct me if i'm wrong didn't he turn down the chance to talk to us or has that changed?

Most media outlets are claiming that his rejection was due to him being on a wishlist of 12. If we go in for him when it's down to 2 or 3 names he's more likely to be interested.

It's the problem of approaching every manager, some won't want to get involved for fear of not getting the job and being accused of disloyalty by their club.

Chakan · « **Reply #139 on:** May 24, 2012, 09:50:54 AM »

Quote from: helmboy_nige on May 24, 2012, 09:49:53 AM

Most media outlets are claiming that his rejection was due to him being on a wishlist of 12. If we go in for him when it's down to 2 or 3 names he's more likely to be interested.

It's the problem of approaching every manager, some won't want to get involved for fear of not getting the job and being accused of disloyalty by their club.

Ah ok so now that he thinks he might actually get the job he would be open to discussion. Fair enough I suppose.

helmboy_nige · « **Reply #140 on:** May 24, 2012, 09:54:53 AM »

Quote from: Chakan on May 24, 2012, 09:50:54 AM

Ah ok so now that he thinks he might actually get the job he would be open to discussion. Fair enough I suppose.

Yeah. Some have taken offence at that, but to be honest I don't see an issue with it. I wouldn't want to be a part of a beauty parade with several people that are far more experienced (Klopp, Capello etc) because I'd just assume I wasn't gonna get the job

conman · « **Reply #141 on:** May 24, 2012, 09:55:36 AM »

Quote from: Chakan on May 24, 2012, 09:50:54 AM

Ah ok so now that he thinks he might actually get the job he would be open to discussion. Fair enough I suppose.

he rejected us publicly, this will have him admired by the Swansea fans and get the press off his back.

He may be open to discussion if we show more intent as helmboy said, but he can accept that offer privately while still avoiding the press.
One way or another, i don't think we will hear him say publicly, "yes, ill interview".

cyador · « **Reply #142 on:** May 24, 2012, 10:11:25 AM »

You sure your in the right thread?

stewy17 · « **Reply #143 on:** May 24, 2012, 10:12:38 AM »

Quote from: cyador on May 24, 2012, 10:11:25 AM

You sure your in the right thread?

haha, dunno what happened there...

moloch · « **Reply #144 on:** May 24, 2012, 10:41:33 AM »

Sounds a bit like Rafa, this Rodgers fella.

Barefoot Doctor · « **Reply #145 on:** May 24, 2012, 10:43:26 AM »

Hopefully FSG are on the phone to Swansea again today.

mb1111 · « **Reply #146 on:** May 24, 2012, 10:44:20 AM »

I'm on the bandwagon now, go get him! Though it's a shame it looks like Swansea have got Gylfi permanently, players are disappearing from the market every day so we really do need to get a move on.

mat106 · « **Reply #147 on:** May 24, 2012, 10:46:02 AM »

Are we now resorting to begging for someone to manage us?

planet--terror · « **Reply #148 on:** May 24, 2012, 11:03:35 AM »

Cheeers Callaghan,Excellent thread,,Eye opening reading,,

fefs · « **Reply #149 on:** May 24, 2012, 11:05:52 AM »

Quote from: mat106 on May 24, 2012, 10:46:02 AM

Are we now resorting to begging for someone to manage us?

on this forum perhaps, in real life I doubt it.

Coley_DP · « **Reply #150 on:** May 24, 2012, 11:44:44 AM »

Quote from: mb1111 on May 24, 2012, 10:44:20 AM

I'm on the bandwagon now, go get him! Though it's a shame it looks like Swansea have got Gylfi permanently, players are disappearing from the market every day so we really do need to get a move on.

Me too! I found the article quite inspiring and the way he talks reminds me of some of our greatest managers. Get him, but get on with it!

abhred · « **Reply #151 on:** May 24, 2012, 11:50:57 AM »

If AVS is out of the picture, then hoping it's him.

conman · « **Reply #152 on:** May 24, 2012, 12:03:10 PM »

Quote from: abhred on May 24, 2012, 11:50:57 AM

If AVS is out of the picture, then hoping it's him.

I'd keep Rafa as the number 1.
Klopp & Guardiola I doubt are available for consideration.
So we are looking at Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas, Martinez & Rodgers as the next best on the available list (if reports are to believed).
After reading the articles in the Rodgers thread, and seeing his team play.. my mind is open to him now. If Rafa doesn't get the job, i'd be delighted to give this fella a shot. I would bet he would fit right in with the spirit of Liverpool (as a club and as a city).

stevedo · « **Reply #153 on:** May 24, 2012, 12:04:49 PM »

Yet another convincing managerial contender OP, yet again im finding myself thinking "yep, he's what we need".

aoaaron · « **Reply #154 on:** May 24, 2012, 12:17:06 PM »

Rodgers needs time but I would love him to come.

Look at his signings at Swansea. They are young quality players like siggurdson. He gets the best from players, loves his team to keep the ball and works with what he has.

This is where he has an advantage over Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas. Rodgers will work with a budget and has picked up fantastic obvious buys from clubs. He's not scared of a good loan deal and likewise he has an eye for the younger players. Then we have the fact Rodgers will not demand wholesale changed or a ridiculously highline, he works with what he has and builds a philosophy. He's the mind of managed you need to give a five year deal to and say okay, this is your project.

His inexperience is there so a strong dof and I think he can really prosper.

Will he come? A couple more seasons like he has done at swansea and united or even one of the bigger Spanish sides could come calling... He can do no wrong at Swansea at the moment too.

Biggest problem? Attracting world class players. Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas can do it, Rodgers and Martinez can't.

Cpt_Reina · « **Reply #155 on:** May 24, 2012, 12:19:17 PM »

Didn't Rodgers reaffirm his commitment to Watford shortly before moving to Reading?

Ken-Obi · « **Reply #156 on:** May 24, 2012, 12:20:57 PM »

The way he talks about 'keeping possession', 'dominating' etc reminds me of a certain guy living at the Wirral.

gaijin_lfc · « **Reply #157 on:** May 24, 2012, 12:30:51 PM »

Quote

Biggest problem? Attracting world class players. Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas can do it, Rodgers and Martinez can't.

Van Gaal could.

The problem wouldn't be the manager anyway. The problem is that Liverpool is going on our third season without CL football, and finishing mid-table. We can certainly pay our players just fine, but would a world class player want to leave Real, Dortmund, Porto or Milan and say "Oh I'm going to play for the 8th place team in England"?

Doubt it. We'd be better off with someone like Rodgers who can spot talent and get them working. But unlike his time at Swansea, Watford, Reading, etc. he'll have a lot of money to work with, and a good point to start from.

subroc · « **Reply #158 on:** May 24, 2012, 12:48:18 PM »

Quote from: gaijin_lfc on May 24, 2012, 12:30:51 PM

Van Gaal could.

The problem wouldn't be the manager anyway. The problem is that Liverpool is going on our third season without CL football, and finishing mid-table. We can certainly pay our players just fine, but would a world class player want to leave Real, Dortmund, Porto or Milan and say "Oh I'm going to play for the 8th place team in England"?

Doubt it. We'd be better off with someone like Rodgers who can spot talent and get them working. But unlike his time at Swansea, Watford, Reading, etc. he'll have a lot of money to work with, and a good point to start from.

Why not Benitez then, who has proven himsel fto be able to find very good players and develop them?

gaijin_lfc · « **Reply #159 on:** May 24, 2012, 12:56:42 PM »

Quote from: subroc on May 24, 2012, 12:48:18 PM

Why not Benitez then, who has proven himsel fto be able to find very good players and develop them?

The powers that be would be smart to not hire a manager that the fans are vociferously campaigning for. It would be suicidal.