Topic: Roberto Martinez - Wigan Manager

[Channo]

And if he's appointed and is a success, may be everyone can move on from Rafa and his zonal marking, and one striker at home to lower opposition.   

Unless you've said that with your tongue in cheek, for which I can see no evidence, then that's truly one of the most embarrassing posts I've ever seen on RAWK.

[Redkoprob]

Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas.  Why was he not considered?

[harleydanger]

Martinez is the manager you hire when you've got everything else in place, take the gamble then. Not when the club has pretty much no boardroom and just finished 38 points adrift

[Resurrected]

Can some-one please tell me what all of this ' I think he's shit but i'll support him' thing is about. Surely you either support him or you don't. Or perhaps you have absolutely nothing else in your lives that you take whatever shit FSG throw you.

[Phil_88]

Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas.  Why was he not considered?

he was wasent he and ruled himself out

[James Mac]

I for one welcome our new Spanish overlord.

Hope he surprises everyone. There's no doubt he at least tries to play attractive football. I wonder how well Guardiola would do with Wigan's players and wage budget? My betting is probably about the same as Martinez has done.

With players like Suarez, Gerrard, Henderson, Lucas, Agger, and hopefully some more signings (this is probably the most key thing about appointing an inexperienced manager - can he attract players with his project?) Martinez could get us playing some really nice football and hopefully move us up the league.

My worry is if this drags on for a while and he gets no chance to scout and sign players; we end up with "safe" buys like Moses etc.

[kkjellquist]

Kinda feel bad for Martinez if he gets the job...he basically has to attract at least one major signing along with 2-3 other useful players AND start out w/ a pile of wins...no pressure buddy..good luck with that!

[Red James]

Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas.  Why was he not considered?

Maybe he was but didn't want the job?

[PhilV]

WHEN and IF Martinez gets appointed, I will back him all the way as he will be one of us per say, however, for now, I still cannot for the life of me understand why Rafa was not even interviewed.

Shocking that, I know I love Rafa and I am biased, the man gave me good memories of my team BUT beyond that he has a record that speaks for itself.

[Phil_88]

I for one welcome our new Spanish overlord.

Hope he surprises everyone. There's no doubt he at least tries to play attractive football. I wonder how well Guardiola would do with Wigan's players and wage budget? My betting is probably about the same as Martinez has done.

With players like Suarez, Gerrard, Henderson, Lucas, Agger, and hopefully some more signings (this is probably the most key thing about appointing an inexperienced manager - can he attract players with his project?) Martinez could get us playing some really nice football and hopefully move us up the league.

My worry is if this drags on for a while and he gets no chance to scout and sign players; we end up with "safe" buys like Moses etc.

whats the fucks this .  . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  talking sense in this thread :-)

[killer_heels]

Can some-one please tell me what all of this ' I think he's shit but i'll support him' thing is about. Surely you either support him or you don't. Or perhaps you have absolutely nothing else in your lives that you take whatever shit FSG throw you.

Well when/if he is appointed, we want the team to win all the time. But opinion would be that he isn't a good manager. We have players who are not very good but we want the team still to win and for them and others to score.

Simple really.

[Joga]

Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas.  Why was he not considered?

Only one man was ever considered by the looks of things.

[harleydanger]

Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas.  Why was he not considered?

They sent the enquiry to Luís_André_de_Pina_Cabral_de_Villas-Boas@gmail.com and not his actual address Luís_André_de_Pina_Cabral_e_Villas-Boas@gmail.com

[hollger]

I feel sorry for Martinez, I really do. Unless he hits the ground running he's going to get destroyed by sections of our "supporter" base and it won't be his fault. Maybe one of the reasons he's supposedly only 'considering' an offer is that he's seen the swathes of negativity amongst the LFC fans.

Personally I think it's too big a step for him too soon in his career. I do think he will be a successful manager and one day could possibly be one of the game's top managers - who knows, he may even work wonders for us, should he take the job. He's an unknown quantity at a higher level than Wigan though, which is the problem.

You'd like to think FSG have been advised by some people who really know the game. I'm not sure who they may be (though I've seen the rumours), but if they've suggested Martinez as their pick they must have one hell of a crystal ball. John Henry strikes me as a very intelligent, calm and resourceful man but he doesn't know football well enough to make these decisions - so I'd hope when he was asking for advice on the matter he'd be talking to 'football' people, although the quality of those differs wildly!

If Martinez takes this offer, then it's a huge gamble on FSG's part with their investment. As fans we can only support and hope it pays off...

[Zizou]

I don't think the argument that he won't attract big name players has any weight. We're still a massive worldwide footballing name, despite a few seasons of underperformance. We have pull enough to attract the players we need to improve, it's just getting the right ones.

[Camarero25]

Can some-one please tell me what all of this ' I think he's shit but i'll support him' thing is about. Surely you either support him or you don't. Or perhaps you have absolutely nothing else in your lives that you take whatever shit FSG throw you.

I have massive doubts about him, but if he's appointed we have to give him a chance to see if he's up to it before calling for his head.

[^^Snoop^^]

Can some-one please tell me what all of this ' I think he's shit but i'll support him' thing is about. Surely you either support him or you don't. Or perhaps you have absolutely nothing else in your lives that you take whatever shit FSG throw you.

I said something similar earlier. The first sign of a dip in form and all these people who will "still support him" will soon be out saying they told everyone he was the wrong choice as opposed to still "supporting" him whilst he's a Liverpool manager.

If you don't want him as manager, that's fine. But it sounds silly saying you'll stick by him when, in all likelihood, you wouldn't when the shit hits the fan.

[DonkeyWan]

Been offered the job according to Reuters. So, now we offer managerial appointments to men with relegation experience and not a lot else. There are better candidates out there, this smacks a little of cheapness, FOTM and also a little of manageability (i.e. the ability of the owners to control their man. Strong characters were not considered). Personally I felt Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas was the better option (I liked his high line, pressing style) and find it faintly ludicrous that Martinez should get the nod simply off the back of a few decent games at the end of the season. However, at least I don't have the same sense of dread I had when Hodgson came in.

[ghost1359]

FSG out

I really hope this is a joke

[Siven80]

I for one welcome our new Spanish overlord.

Hope he surprises everyone. There's no doubt he at least tries to play attractive football. I wonder how well Guardiola would do with Wigan's players and wage budget? My betting is probably about the same as Martinez has done.

With players like Suarez, Gerrard, Henderson, Lucas, Agger, and hopefully some more signings (this is probably the most key thing about appointing an inexperienced manager - can he attract players with his project?) Martinez could get us playing some really nice football and hopefully move us up the league.

My worry is if this drags on for a while and he gets no chance to scout and sign players; we end up with "safe" buys like Moses etc.

Pretty much what i feel too.

[MolbyLovesGravy]

We go for Martinez and Villa go for Rafa.

Have I woken in some strange opposite world?

[Red James]

Can some-one please tell me what all of this ' I think he's shit but i'll support him' thing is about. Surely you either support him or you don't. Or perhaps you have absolutely nothing else in your lives that you take whatever shit FSG throw you.

It's not difficult to grasp. You can support someone, but it doesn't change your opinion of them not being good enough. You want them to do well, you just don't think they will. Of course we would all be delighted to be proven wrong.

[Twelfth Customer]

It's a big risk. Sacking Kenny and replacing him for Martinez in the first place, and then choosing Martinez given some of the other candidates available. Got huge doubts about this but I'll be behind him if he gets the the job.

My sentiments broadly, I'm however a bit more optimistic about Martinez then you. I do agree about other better options. Feels like FSG trying to do a Red Sox. Appoint a bright new young thing.

[harleydanger]

I have massive doubts about him, but if he's appointed we have to give him a chance to see if he's up to it before calling for his head.

Won't happen. Sad but true.

[Redkoprob]

They sent the enquiry to Luís_André_de_Pina_Cabral_de_Villas-Boas@gmail.com and not his actual address Luís_André_de_Pina_Cabral_e_Villas-Boas@gmail.com

They look the same to me.  Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas@gmail.com

Surely they could have called him or given him a plane ticket to Miami?  He looks better than Martinez and would make a better Tubbs than Robbie Martinez.

[J-Mc-]

I for one welcome our new Spanish overlord.

Hope he surprises everyone. There's no doubt he at least tries to play attractive football. I wonder how well Guardiola would do with Wigan's players and wage budget? My betting is probably about the same as Martinez has done.

With players like Suarez, Gerrard, Henderson, Lucas, Agger, and hopefully some more signings (this is probably the most key thing about appointing an inexperienced manager - can he attract players with his project?) Martinez could get us playing some really nice football and hopefully move us up the league.

My worry is if this drags on for a while and he gets no chance to scout and sign players; we end up with "safe" buys like Moses etc.

I remember reading something similar before we appointed Hodgson.

Martinez is a decent manager, I like him, but he's not going to make it at Liverpool IMO, if he does, and shoves those words back down my throat then fair play to the fella, but this is going to set us back another 4-5 years if he can't handle it.

I'll support him when it's official, but up until then, I have serious doubts.

[jooneyisdagod]

If this is true, FSG are setting a massive rod for their own back.  They really are.  Sacking Kenny was a big mistake IMO.  Now replacing him with Martinez is an even bigger one. 

[moses]

I really hope this is a joke

no new stadium/plans for redevelopment
sacking kenny and possibly replacing him with RM

yes FSG out

[Gazza-LFC]

Wigans results last season
Wigan 1-1 Norwich
Swansea 0-0 Wigan
Wigan 2-0 QPR
Man City 3 - 0 Wigan
Wigan 1-3 Bolton
Newcastle 1-0 Wigan
Wigan 0-2 Fulham
Wolves 3-1 Wigan
Wigan 3-3 Blackburn
Sunderland 1-2 Wigan
Wigan 0-4 Arsenal
West Brom 1-2 Wigan
Wigan 1-1 Chelsea
Wigan 0-0 Liverpool
Man U 5-0 Wigan
Stoke 2-2 Wigan
Wigan 1-4 Sunderland
Swindon 2-1 Wigan
Wigan 1-0 Man city
Qpr 3-1 Wigan
Tottenham 3-1 Wigan
Wigan 1-1 Everton
Bolton 1-2 Wigan
Wigan 0-0 Villa
Wigan 0-2 Swansea
Norwich 1-1 Wigan
Wigan 1-1 West Brom
Liverpool 1-2 Wigan
Wigan 2-0 Stoke
Chelsea 2-1 Wigan
Wigan 1-0 Man u
Arsenal 1-2 Wigan
Fulham 2-1 Wigan
Wigan 4-0 Newcastle
Blackburn 0-1 Wigan
Wigan 3-2 Wolves

I am really struggling to see the difference here and how exactly it is an upgrade on Kenny.

[Acaustiq]

I wonder how well Guardiola would do with Wigan's players and wage budget? My betting is probably about the same as Martinez has done.

With players like Suarez, Gerrard, Henderson, Lucas, Agger, and hopefully some more signings (this is probably the most key thing about appointing an inexperienced manager - can he attract players with his project?) Martinez could get us playing some really nice football and hopefully move us up the league.

And so we pass the 'RAWK event horizon of delusion' just as we have done so many times before.

Hilarious Maybe you should concentrate on supporting him now that it seems he is going to be the new manager

I support Liverpool Football Club, not mediocrity.

[Outer Mongolian Red]

It's not surprising to hear he's been offered a role without full control over matters,he's being appointed to be the public face of the club not to manage it.What will happen is a proper DoF/Sporting director/General Manager etc. will be hired who'll run the club and Roberto will be there select the team,pick the cones up and dress nicely for his always excellent interviews.

[kkjellquist]

In Henry's defense it's very possible in that pic they are discussing anything but football...or Martinez is doing all the talking and educating Henry after they met with whoever is advising in the process.  Henry IS NOT dumb enough to think he knows enough to pick a manager.  Somebody else made the recommendation and presented a compelling case to Henry and he went with it.....IF this is all true that is.

[Bakez0151]

i will gladly do 6 months for smacking that fckin c*nt dave whelan

FSG are making a ballsy move. i respect them for it.

[El Ninos Black Eye]

So we where told there would be an extensive search. The man who was linked before Kenny went was Martinez. We only had 2 confirmed approaches, one was rejected, the other was Martinez. We only interviewed one person, Martinez. We have now offered him the job.

Some extensive search that. 

[Camarero25]

Been offered the job according to Reuters. So, now we offer managerial appointments to men with relegation experience and not a lot else. There are better candidates out there, this smacks a little of cheapness, FOTM and also a little of manageability (i.e. the ability of the owners to control their man. Strong characters were not considered). Personally I felt Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas was the better option (I liked his high line, pressing style) and find it faintly ludicrous that Martinez should get the nod simply off the back of a few decent games at the end of the season. However, at least I don't have the same sense of dread I had when Hodgson came in.

You say it's cheapness but then we have to buy Martinez out of his contract, rather than going for an unemployed manager (and there are at least 3 out there with far better credentials). Can't get my head around this appointment.

[eirwen]

I really hope this is a joke

It won't be if Martinez turns out to be a disaster. They took a major gamble by firing Kenny for some guy with no credentials whatsoever. Fans won't have much patience. 

[mccred]

Dave Whelan is a media whore who wants constant attention. I'll be waiting for the club to announce who's next before I believe anything.

[sminp]

I support Liverpool Football Club, not mediocrity.

You don't know his appointment will bring mediocrity though, he might actually do a good job if he is supported. Maybe you should consider supporting the club regardless of our performances.

[FCBarca]

I hope it happens, I like Tino

[Bakez0151]

let's give the lad a chance to prove himself though fellas ey, like we would any young player

i'm aware we can't bench him if he isn't on form (like a young player) but we need to support him, no fuck that, we need to support the club