Author Topic: The Liverpool Way (Read 7700 times)

mickdelick · « **Reply #80 on:** May 20, 2012, 12:19:46 PM »

Football has moved on so much in the last 10 - 20 years. Football is no longer about the 11 men on the pitch and 3 men on then bench. The money pumped into the sport and the increased media attention renders the Liverpool Way as dead. And the way of any other clubs traits.

The only people who can drive the Liverpool way now are the fans... The football club is a business it has obligations to media etc and if the club were to stick to the core values put in place in the 50's and 60's we would get left behind.

The Liverpool Way can only be driven by the fans and to be perfectly honest the state of our supporter base has never been so dire. Just reading the threads about the new management and the current state of the club is quite honestly embarrassing at times. What have we become?

The two things that Kenny and FSG promised us when they both arrived were stability and unity. That has to be driven by the fans but we are all as far apart as we have ever been.

Ok the club has to do its bit as well and divisions have been made with Kennys departure but we have to trust in our ownership. Pull together, be united as one. If the board decide on Martinez then we back he, we support him, we help him, we guide him... Thats the Liverpool Way!

To read comments of fans organising Rafa love ins at the kop and promising to drive out Martinez before he is appointed is disappointing to say the least.

To quote a famous film... we either heal as a team or we die as individuals... And that is what we are in danger of doing. We must be patient and let the board decide on who they believe can take us forward and then back that man the very hilt.

Only then can we say as Liverpool fans we are the bastions of the Liverpool way.

buzzing · « **Reply #81 on:** May 20, 2012, 12:27:16 PM »

Quote from: Mr Rossi on May 19, 2012, 05:12:49 PM

Not done that for a while have we?

Quote from: Andy @ Allerton on May 19, 2012, 05:17:22 PM

Sadly not.

Used to remember back in the day we pissed the media off because we never gave them anything.

Modern media hasn't helped. WIth the way things are people can make up BS and fans like us get our knickers in a twist about it not being the 'The Liverpool Way' - Even before Kenny flew out non of us actualy thought he was a gonner. Even as Kenny said the board acted with dignity and pride

All the new shit about interviewing 12 people has come from the press - Not the club.

Maritinez being allowed to talk to us came from wigan - Not the club

Rojers rejecting us came from him/Swansea - Not the club

The Liverpool Way was fucked with the old owners but I have faith in these lot. Kenny was never long term (was only given a 2/2.5 year deal to start). 2 cup finals should have at least given him until xmas to see what he could do with the "flops" but after Comoli lost his job, the chances him staying were always going to he tough - Esp as with less investment others around have taken over and we've gone backwards in the league - As we all say the league is our bread n butter

Andy @ Allerton · « **Reply #82 on:** May 20, 2012, 12:28:14 PM »

Quote from: buzzing on May 20, 2012, 12:27:16 PM

Modern media hasn't helped. WIth the way things are people can make up BS and fans like us get our knickers in a twist about it not being the 'The Liverpool Way' - Even before Kenny flew out non of us actualy thought he was a gonner. Even as Kenny said the board acted with dignity and pride

All the new shit about interviewing 12 people has come from the press - Not the club.

Maritinez being allowed to talk to us came from wigan - Not the club

Rojers rejecting us came from him/Swansea - Not the club

The Liverpool Way was fucked with the old owners but I have faith in these lot. Kenny was never long term (was only given a 2/2.5 year deal to start). 2 cup finals should have at least given him until xmas to see what he could do with the "flops" but after Comoli lost his job, the chances him staying were always going to he tough - Esp as with less investment others around have taken over and we've gone backwards in the league - As we all say the league is our bread n butter

Fair points.

The Bill Hicks Appreciation Society · « **Reply #83 on:** May 20, 2012, 12:28:55 PM »

Quote from: mickdelick on May 20, 2012, 12:19:46 PM

To read comments of fans organising Rafa love ins at the kop and promising to drive out Martinez before he is appointed is disappointing to say the least.

Didn't know about this, I dearly want Rafa in charge but will get behind whoever is given the job with the proviso the enemy and her dad have stated, they need to show they get what the club is about, and share the fans collective vision and ideology. That's what did for Roy, the small club mentality.

Incognito · « **Reply #84 on:** May 20, 2012, 02:07:59 PM »

The inevitable dilution of the Liverpool Way

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=265325.0

The Liverpool Way. My suspicion is that the casket has been closed and final nail was driven last Wednesday. And the biggest reason is not just how current owners and hierarcy implemented it, or the cringeworthy statements that followed, but how many fans accepted it as understandable and the way forward.

Of course opinions vary of what is the crust of TLW. One can cite endless quotes from personnel connected to club, either supporters or staff, that can bee seen as signposts for those that have an interest in what it embodies. Yet just recently we had a man in charge that personified it. His every action, even after being put through the grinder, was to act as a wall to deflect all criticism from the club...continually. So when people ask about the Liverpool Way, just look back on how the man performed for the club this season.

A huge amount of fans in here condemned him on how he acted in front of media, what his priorities were concerning the club and even how he was a relic of past ways that had no bearing on modern football. I say to those, look in the mirror and ask yourselves if you were following the right club.

But then, what is "the right club". My feeling is the club is finally becoming just a banner of choice. You don't choose it because of what it represents or it's values. You choose it because of how good the new kit looks, what "star-players" are on the pitch at that time and how loved they are by the media...or even how well they looked on the telly while being whored for ratings.

Personally I am surprised that the funeral date hasn't yet been announced.

Jonno83 · « **Reply #85 on:** May 20, 2012, 03:25:16 PM »

In house should be the Liverpool way like it used to be

Pendzo · « **Reply #86 on:** May 20, 2012, 03:30:36 PM »

Quote from: mickdelick on May 20, 2012, 12:19:46 PM

Football has moved on so much in the last 10 - 20 years. Football is no longer about the 11 men on the pitch and 3 men on then bench. The money pumped into the sport and the increased media attention renders the Liverpool Way as dead. And the way of any other clubs traits.

The only people who can drive the Liverpool way now are the fans... The football club is a business it has obligations to media etc and if the club were to stick to the core values put in place in the 50's and 60's we would get left behind.

The Liverpool Way can only be driven by the fans and to be perfectly honest the state of our supporter base has never been so dire. Just reading the threads about the new management and the current state of the club is quite honestly embarrassing at times. What have we become?

The two things that Kenny and FSG promised us when they both arrived were stability and unity. That has to be driven by the fans but we are all as far apart as we have ever been.

Ok the club has to do its bit as well and divisions have been made with Kennys departure but we have to trust in our ownership. Pull together, be united as one. If the board decide on Martinez then we back he, we support him, we help him, we guide him... Thats the Liverpool Way!

To read comments of fans organising Rafa love ins at the kop and promising to drive out Martinez before he is appointed is disappointing to say the least.

To quote a famous film... we either heal as a team or we die as individuals... And that is what we are in danger of doing. We must be patient and let the board decide on who they believe can take us forward and then back that man the very hilt.

Only then can we say as Liverpool fans we are the bastions of the Liverpool way.

This. Agree 100%

mikey_LFC · « **Reply #87 on:** May 20, 2012, 03:32:03 PM »

The whole point of the Liverpool way was for it to be a family, a community where things were done with respect and the whole club was together as one. The opposite of what it is today.

Red Reign · « **Reply #88 on:** May 20, 2012, 03:40:36 PM »

Does the Liverpool Way apply to the fans? Can the fans earnestly say they've conducted themselves in a dignified manner.

We don't know whether Henry and Co. made the right choice and we won't until everything is settled. The fans need to support the club unless clear harm is being done to it. We don't know that yet.

El Torres gol · « **Reply #89 on:** May 20, 2012, 11:39:10 PM »

To me it was as others have said about respect for your own and other teams. The opposition goalie getting applauded at the Kop end. Losing with grace and probably more importantly winning with grace and dignity. Back in the day when we were winning all and everything, we were popular with alot of neutrals and other supporters because we weren't arrogant even though we might have been. Think about clubs that have been successful in more recent times. Manchester and Chelsea are despised by almost all but their own and it's because they win and they're smug and arrogant.
It was about keeping things in house. That's impossible these days with the internet and social media.
Kenny tried when he was called back in, to restore some of the ideals that the club he knew possessed and now he has been removed, it seems to me that the Liverpool Way will probably go with him.
As for our fans and their ability to carry on the Liverpool Way...............I heard that after the FA Cup final our fans were trying to taunt Chelsea fans by claiming that they had no history. It reminded me of walking down the Arkles Lane after beating them in the CL semi in 2005 and hearing their fans with taunts of we are the champions...................lose with dignity, win with dignity..............what have we become?

El Torres gol · « **Reply #90 on:** May 20, 2012, 11:43:14 PM »

Quote from: Red Reign on May 20, 2012, 03:40:36 PM

Does the Liverpool Way apply to the fans? Can the fans earnestly say they've conducted themselves in a dignified manner.

We don't know whether Henry and Co. made the right choice and we won't until everything is settled. The fans need to support the club unless clear harm is being done to it. We don't know that yet.

So whilst other clubs, our rivals, are identifying and buying players before their value soars should they have good Euro championships, we are rudderless and by the time we've identified a new manager, dof, ceo et al will we have time to get in any new faces player wise?
If that isn't doing us harm then I don't know what is.

FranklyRed · « **Reply #91 on:** May 21, 2012, 07:42:29 AM »

The way how now across Europe managers are publicly announcing that they won't accept the "invitation" to become the new Liverpool manager does not really comply with the Liverpool Way many feel it should be.

1) Rodgers
2) Klopp
3) De Boer (today in Dutch news paper)
...

I have not got a call or letter from Liverpool to apply but ... is there maybe a vacancy online? :-O

Kovai Red · « **Reply #92 on:** May 21, 2012, 08:35:52 AM »

From what I have learned, The Liverpool Way has some set of rules or protocols or ethics or whatever it cane be can be called. They are:
For the supporters
1. Just support the team through thick and thin.
2. Voice our opinions in a dignified manner
3. Respect the LFC players, because they are playing for LFC.

For the manager
1. Make winning a habbit.
2. Not letting the club matters go out to the public.
3. Attacking Football with the ball on the ground. Send the fans back home happy.

For the players
1. Play for the team.
2. Pass and move.
3. Give your all when you are wearing the shirt.

For the owners:
1. They are just there to sign the cheques.
2. Letting the football matters to the football people.
3. Support the manager

Kashinoda · « **Reply #93 on:** May 21, 2012, 01:23:12 PM »

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/Kop538WiMRY?version=3&amp;hl=en_GB" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/Kop538WiMRY?version=3&amp;hl=en_GB</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/xudo1NLICRw?version=3&amp;hl=en_GB" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/xudo1NLICRw?version=3&amp;hl=en_GB</a>

A few here could do with watching.

redend · « **Reply #94 on:** May 21, 2012, 02:41:34 PM »

So it's time for the Blind auditions.

Picture it 4 chairs turned away from the prospective candidate with a big red button.

Seat No1 John W Henry
Seat No2 Tom Werner
Seat No3 Ian Ayre
Seat No4 Jamie Carragher (well we all know he he been picking the team for years)

Up steps candidate number one, he is well turned out and has a a goatee, and starts singing "Eh Viva Espagna" - Carra reaches for his button, but has a flashback and thinks better of it .
Ian Ayre reaches for his button, but John looks at him and mouth's let's not go there again.
Candidate number one shuffles off

10 of the12 performers decide not show up, so the "judges" play a game of spin the chair to keep themselves amused

The last candidate turns up and sings out of tune to what the listening public want, but the judges are dizzy from playing push the button, they all turn around as one - there is stood a small spanish bloke with a northern accent creeping in and has a JJB sports bag in his hand, Liverpools no 23 starts the discussion, "so why do you want to join team Carra, sorry Liverpool Lar"

To be honest with all the rest of the rubbish going on, it would not shock me if there was not a list of names and a premium rate phone number (proceeds to the transfer fund) set up

kdorg · « **Reply #95 on:** May 21, 2012, 03:16:18 PM »

I always thought (perhaps incorrectly) that the Liverpool Way was 'stick together and look after your own' - that because the club was a family - fathers didn't turn on sons, brothers on brothers and so on. That we won together and lost together but that we appreciated these were our family, our twats were our twats, our heroes were our heroes but no one would be allowed to walk alone. That once you were a member of the family, you were part of something special.

The media were like the bizzies, you were polite but you didn't tell them anything you didn't have too and you never stitched up one of your own.

It wasn't just about football, it certainly wasn't just about winning and it had nothing to do with money. It was like a broad church, a fellowship, it was a collective that had at it's core bonds in love, friendship and shared experience. One of the phrases used to describe the collective values and what set us apart was the Liverpool Way. It never had some list of commandments or tenets it never needed too.

I have no idea what it is anymore.

redmark · « **Reply #96 on:** May 21, 2012, 03:22:52 PM »

Quote from: Vulmea on May 20, 2012, 12:18:53 AM

I think thats a whole wider topic - about the holy trinity - about socialism - about support - about players - about never giving up - I thought in this context it was how it relates to the current ownership debate - been wrong before though

I think that's all the same thing. Doing things 'the right way', respect etc all stems from it. The Shankly 'socialism' quote for me is the closest thing to defining the Liverpool Way, because everything else can be seen as being a result of implementing it within the context of a football club and it's community.

KK Legend · « **Reply #97 on:** May 21, 2012, 03:36:43 PM »

The Liverpool Way - Loyalty, Stability, Family, Dignity, Continuity, Pride, Passion, Desire, Humility, Respect, Humour, Support, Solidarity, Community, Heart...need I go on?

redk84 · « **Reply #98 on:** May 21, 2012, 03:51:19 PM »

The Liverpool way bases around having integrity, togetherness and carrying yourself with class as we pull together to reach our ambitions.

There's many ways the above words can be written, but the overall sentiment i think most people can agree on. There is no set definition....but there doesn't need to be!

People saying it has been lost many years ago...

well i compare it to having a fire fill up a room with smoke...many years ago that room was small. Nowadays with internet, many many more fans spread everywhere its like having that same fire in the middle of a park....you can get a whiff of that smoke...(TLW) but its alot harder to find...

montysmum · « **Reply #99 on:** May 21, 2012, 04:09:06 PM »

It was suggested in the auld arses thread that I post this in here so hear goes. Sums up TLW for me, and why some people are so upset at the moment.

Quote from: montysmum on May 21, 2012, 11:58:51 AM

I dont use Twitter much but do follow some people and read their musings. A couple last night hit home -

MostarLFC ‏@MostarLFC
@kennethdalglish @pauldalglish Mr.Dalglish u may never see my video tribute to u but I just wanted to say thank u #YNWA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXGk66jbP04

Paul Dalglish ‏@pauldalglish
Thanks for that but I don't know if it makes me happy, sad or angry

There were several replies to that, from people saying how much they would miss Kenny etc.

Paul Dalglish ‏@pauldalglish
I have never known a reaction to somebody getting fired like this. It really is like he has died. It is all very strange.

Tony Evans ‏@TonyEvansTimes
If you think we should 'move on' from what Shankly created, Paisley enhances and Dalglish embodied, go support someone else

Tony Evans ‏@TonyEvansTimes
If you believe it's just about winning and money, them fine. I believe in culture, love, history. I'd rather lose with them than win without

Paul Dalglish ‏@pauldalglish
I feel the same way. I have always been proud to support Liverpool because of what we stood for, winning was a byproduct.

Tony Evans ‏@TonyEvansTimes
@pauldalglish And your dad believes in that soul like we do. Without him, it's just a business. Not what Shankly begat

In those few Tweets you have what a lot of us believed in, and the evidence, if any was needed, just how much the powers that be at the club just do not understand that basic philosophy.

mikey_LFC · « **Reply #100 on:** May 21, 2012, 04:11:07 PM »

Quote from: Kashinoda on May 21, 2012, 01:23:12 PM

Just watched that video of Shankly's career at Liverpool, it is awe inspiring and sums up Liverpool Football Club. If you didn't know what the Liverpool Way is or you have any doubts, watch that video and you will be left with no doubt what it means and why the supporters fight so hard to keep it alive.

One of the great things I noticed about his career during the video is the amount of time he was given to build and rebuild the squad. Between his 7th and 14th season in charge he was given time to rebuild the squad and despite not winning trophies the support from the fans and the board never faded, shown by the crowds after they came back from losing the 1971 cup final, can you imagine us doing any of that nowadays. Just imagine how inspiring it would have been for the team to return to Anfield with crowds like that welcoming them back this year after the FA cup final. They must have been truly staggering times to be a football supporter. And I think what that shows is the Liverpool Way wasn't all about winning, it was far more about respect, loyalty and community.

saoirse08 · « **Reply #101 on:** May 21, 2012, 04:21:45 PM »

Quote from: KK Legend on May 21, 2012, 03:36:43 PM

The Liverpool Way - Loyalty, Stability, Family, Dignity, Continuity, Pride, Passion, Desire, Humility, Respect, Humour, Support, Solidarity, Community, Heart...need I go on?

And now, seemingly, Liverpool FC exists to sack managers. Going on the past two years that is.

mikey_LFC · « **Reply #102 on:** May 21, 2012, 05:08:40 PM »

Quote from: Kashinoda on May 21, 2012, 01:23:12 PM

The Paisley video just further gets across the respect that was driving the club. That respect which meant no club was looked down upon, each game was met with the desire to win and hard work. But most of all every game and every season, things started from the beginning even when they were European Champions the mentality was that nobody became complacent and nobody took winning matches and trophies for granted, a philosophy which could teach modern supporters a lot.

One of the best parts is going into a game against Real Madrid in the European Cup Final and the Real Madrid side fearing us, Real Madrid feeling it was an honour to play against the great Liverpool side. Makes me feel sad about the circumstances surrounding the club a few years ago when we battered Real Madrid 4-0 at Anfield, in one of the best displays I have seen, playing in the great Liverpool Way of pass and move, quick attacking football, like Barcelona of today put with real pace behind the passing. Maybe if things had been different we could have pushed and been as dominant.

A lovely quote below that video as well:

I'm a juve fan but to be honest 1985 was an end for liverpool, I think if english clubs were not banned, Liverpool would have had at least 10 Champions Leagues.

And he is probably right. Thinking of how things could have been different had it not been for such a tragedy really is something sad to think about.

horne · « **Reply #103 on:** May 21, 2012, 05:41:41 PM »

Quote from: liverpooll on May 19, 2012, 05:23:22 PM

True but the anticipated result was still based on winning with the additional word "fairly". I guess that is why we need to focus today as well, which is make sure Liverpool gets into the top.

And everybody can only makes guesses about the definition the liverpool way as there can be many interpretations to it.

whenever you start to interpret it differently ' grasshopper'...it begins to not exist

horne · « **Reply #104 on:** May 21, 2012, 05:51:27 PM »

Quote from: Harinder on May 20, 2012, 01:00:34 AM

Hi

There are 2 posters on here who are active - Vicgill and wooltonian. If you get a chance read some of there posts especially the history ones. This will give a background to the Liverpool way and the fabric of it. Another poster, sadly who's no longer here but lives on in RAWK's spirit is Shanklyboy. This should ensure you are left with no doubt of what the Liverpool way is all about

you can tag a fat fella on the end of that an'all

horne · « **Reply #105 on:** May 21, 2012, 06:04:06 PM »

for those that have issues and just cant fathom it out...if anyone has the mental energy to write a list of the things that arent the Liverpool way...i think the penny might drop!...we will see...it aint hard folks

Red Reign · « **Reply #106 on:** May 21, 2012, 06:14:16 PM »

Quote from: El Torres gol on May 20, 2012, 11:43:14 PM

So whilst other clubs, our rivals, are identifying and buying players before their value soars should they have good Euro championships, we are rudderless and by the time we've identified a new manager, dof, ceo et al will we have time to get in any new faces player wise?
If that isn't doing us harm then I don't know what is.

This summer transfer window will not define our history or even the FSG ownership. We've endured 20 years of mediocrity, we can wait a few more until they get it right.

Macphisto80 · « **Reply #107 on:** May 21, 2012, 06:34:51 PM »

In tell you one thing for absolute certainty: the Liverpool way isn't about money first and foremost, so these owners have a terrible lot to learn.

walshys_mullet · « **Reply #108 on:** May 21, 2012, 07:00:34 PM »

The Liverpool way is dead.

Carlos: Very Kickable · « **Reply #109 on:** May 21, 2012, 07:38:13 PM »

Quote from: Kovai Red on May 21, 2012, 08:35:52 AM

From what I have learned, The Liverpool Way has some set of rules or protocols or ethics or whatever it cane be can be called. They are:
For the supporters
1. Just support the team through thick and thin.
2. Voice our opinions in a dignified manner
3. Respect the LFC players, because they are playing for LFC.

For the manager
1. Make winning a habbit.
2. Not letting the club matters go out to the public.
3. Attacking Football with the ball on the ground. Send the fans back home happy.

For the players
1. Play for the team.
2. Pass and move.
3. Give your all when you are wearing the shirt.

For the owners:
1. They are just there to sign the cheques.
2. Letting the football matters to the football people.
3. Support the manager

That’s the Liverpool Way but the actual Way of Liverpool…

For the supporters:

“Im sick of all these OOTs and armchair fans sounding off on the forums – how often do you see them down the game eh?” followed by “ We need to be spending 50-60 million this summer if we wanna compete for the league – can’t believe we bought Carroll and missed out on Aguero. And why didn’t we pip Chelsea to signing Mata? He was only 20 million!”

“There’s nowhere like Anfield – we get behind the team – come on you redmen!” The minute our 20 year old signing misplaces a pass “Garbage – what a waste of money – doesn’t have what it takes, will never be a Liverpool player. And what’s happened to the atmosphere?”

“We need much more investment in the team. Look at Barcelona’ sacademy – we need to be bringing more youth players and local lads through. Why haven’t we had any movement on the stadium. Why have we fallen so far behind United? We shoud’ve maximised our revenue years ago – nbow we’ve been left behind – it will take us years to catch up! Having two managers at once will never work. How is the manager meant to complete deals when the club is being run in such an amateurish way?” New owners arrive: “Unbelievable! Told you this would happen – this is what you get when the club is run by people who don’t understand football”

For the Manager:

“There’s a special bond with the crowd – the most knowledgeable fans in the game” Go top of the league with a draw: “Fuck this – far too defensive, no idea how to win a league, challenged for the league in spite of the manager not because of him”

“ Ridiculous – how can you can replace Gerrard / Alonso / Masch with this no-mark? Why are we rotating so much and persisting with Zonal Marking? Get rid”

“First is first and second is nowhere.” Finish eighth in the league scoring less goals than relegated teams “We’ve made progress – we’re playing much better football now, im happy with us – we just need more money / time /luck”

For the players:

Hear constant moans about how we should play pass-and-move but what happens when we actually BUY these type of players?
Pass and move player who is direct with his play (Aquilani) - "Not strong enough for the Prem, doesnt tackle enough get rid"

Pass and move player who can tackle (Lucas) - "Cant see what he does, what's the point of passing sideays all the time? get rid"

Pass and Move player with phenomenal workrate and a decent shot (Henderson) - "Doesn't impose himself on games, not confident enough, get rid"

For the owners:

Constantly hear about a return to doing things like we did in the old days
“Why can’t we keep our dirty washing behind closed doors?”. But once we actually DO keep things behind closed doors: “It’s not good enough, the owners aren’t giving us enough attention and justifying what they’re doing. Why can’t they be more open and communicative. I can’t see what their plan is”

“It’s the holy trinity – they need to get out of the way and sign the cheques” shortly followed by “I can’t believe they’ve left Kenny out to dry during this whole Suarez thing – disgraceful – hardly saw hide nor hair of them. And what’s our footballing vision meant to be? The owners haven’t implemented any kind of consistent philosophy”

“It’s disgraceful the way they treated Kenny – I can’t believe they sacked a legend and didn’t have anyone lined up to replace him” followed days later by: “Unbelievable – turns out getting to the cup final never mattered and the owners have been speaking to Villas Boas about taking over WEEKS ago. Well I’ve had enough – who are these Yanks? They don’t understand football and above all – it’s not The Liverpool WAY!!!”

keyo · « **Reply #110 on:** May 22, 2012, 03:36:36 AM »

Quote from: Carlos Qiqabal on May 21, 2012, 07:38:13 PM

That’s the Liverpool Way but the actual Way of Liverpool…

For the supporters:

“Im sick of all these OOTs and armchair fans sounding off on the forums – how often do you see them down the game eh?” followed by “ We need to be spending 50-60 million this summer if we wanna compete for the league – can’t believe we bought Carroll and missed out on Aguero. And why didn’t we pip Chelsea to signing Mata? He was only 20 million!”

“There’s nowhere like Anfield – we get behind the team – come on you redmen!” The minute our 20 year old signing misplaces a pass “Garbage – what a waste of money – doesn’t have what it takes, will never be a Liverpool player. And what’s happened to the atmosphere?”

“We need much more investment in the team. Look at Barcelona’ sacademy – we need to be bringing more youth players and local lads through. Why haven’t we had any movement on the stadium. Why have we fallen so far behind United? We shoud’ve maximised our revenue years ago – nbow we’ve been left behind – it will take us years to catch up! Having two managers at once will never work. How is the manager meant to complete deals when the club is being run in such an amateurish way?” New owners arrive: “Unbelievable! Told you this would happen – this is what you get when the club is run by people who don’t understand football”

For the Manager:

“There’s a special bond with the crowd – the most knowledgeable fans in the game” Go top of the league with a draw: “Fuck this – far too defensive, no idea how to win a league, challenged for the league in spite of the manager not because of him”

“ Ridiculous – how can you can replace Gerrard / Alonso / Masch with this no-mark? Why are we rotating so much and persisting with Zonal Marking? Get rid”

“First is first and second is nowhere.” Finish eighth in the league scoring less goals than relegated teams “We’ve made progress – we’re playing much better football now, im happy with us – we just need more money / time /luck”

For the players:

Hear constant moans about how we should play pass-and-move but what happens when we actually BUY these type of players?
Pass and move player who is direct with his play (Aquilani) - "Not strong enough for the Prem, doesnt tackle enough get rid"

Pass and move player who can tackle (Lucas) - "Cant see what he does, what's the point of passing sideays all the time? get rid"

Pass and Move player with phenomenal workrate and a decent shot (Henderson) - "Doesn't impose himself on games, not confident enough, get rid"

For the owners:

Constantly hear about a return to doing things like we did in the old days
“Why can’t we keep our dirty washing behind closed doors?”. But once we actually DO keep things behind closed doors: “It’s not good enough, the owners aren’t giving us enough attention and justifying what they’re doing. Why can’t they be more open and communicative. I can’t see what their plan is”

“It’s the holy trinity – they need to get out of the way and sign the cheques” shortly followed by “I can’t believe they’ve left Kenny out to dry during this whole Suarez thing – disgraceful – hardly saw hide nor hair of them. And what’s our footballing vision meant to be? The owners haven’t implemented any kind of consistent philosophy”

“It’s disgraceful the way they treated Kenny – I can’t believe they sacked a legend and didn’t have anyone lined up to replace him” followed days later by: “Unbelievable – turns out getting to the cup final never mattered and the owners have been speaking to Villas Boas about taking over WEEKS ago. Well I’ve had enough – who are these Yanks? They don’t understand football and above all – it’s not The Liverpool WAY!!!”

you forgot to add in that although football is a game of opinions and we are on a forum, anyone with an extreme opinion (or differing opinion) will be summarised as if it is the norm for posters and generally made to look hypocritical, as opposed to offering an opinion on the point or checking how well supported individual posts are....very popular on here if you look at each thread, there is always at least one post like it

think the phrase i am looking for is something like, play the ball not the man.......

shelovesyou · « **Reply #111 on:** May 22, 2012, 04:07:16 AM »

"We firmly believe in the concept of shared responsibility, and it is something that has served us well.

“We’re a very very modest club. We don’t talk. We don’t boast. But we’re very professional”

Kovai Red · « **Reply #112 on:** May 22, 2012, 05:04:58 AM »

Quote from: Carlos Qiqabal on May 21, 2012, 07:38:13 PM

That’s the Liverpool Way but the actual Way of Liverpool…

For the supporters:

“Im sick of all these OOTs and armchair fans sounding off on the forums – how often do you see them down the game eh?” followed by “ We need to be spending 50-60 million this summer if we wanna compete for the league – can’t believe we bought Carroll and missed out on Aguero. And why didn’t we pip Chelsea to signing Mata? He was only 20 million!”

“There’s nowhere like Anfield – we get behind the team – come on you redmen!” The minute our 20 year old signing misplaces a pass “Garbage – what a waste of money – doesn’t have what it takes, will never be a Liverpool player. And what’s happened to the atmosphere?”

“We need much more investment in the team. Look at Barcelona’ sacademy – we need to be bringing more youth players and local lads through. Why haven’t we had any movement on the stadium. Why have we fallen so far behind United? We shoud’ve maximised our revenue years ago – nbow we’ve been left behind – it will take us years to catch up! Having two managers at once will never work. How is the manager meant to complete deals when the club is being run in such an amateurish way?” New owners arrive: “Unbelievable! Told you this would happen – this is what you get when the club is run by people who don’t understand football”

For the Manager:

“There’s a special bond with the crowd – the most knowledgeable fans in the game” Go top of the league with a draw: “Fuck this – far too defensive, no idea how to win a league, challenged for the league in spite of the manager not because of him”

“ Ridiculous – how can you can replace Gerrard / Alonso / Masch with this no-mark? Why are we rotating so much and persisting with Zonal Marking? Get rid”

“First is first and second is nowhere.” Finish eighth in the league scoring less goals than relegated teams “We’ve made progress – we’re playing much better football now, im happy with us – we just need more money / time /luck”

For the players:

Hear constant moans about how we should play pass-and-move but what happens when we actually BUY these type of players?
Pass and move player who is direct with his play (Aquilani) - "Not strong enough for the Prem, doesnt tackle enough get rid"

Pass and move player who can tackle (Lucas) - "Cant see what he does, what's the point of passing sideays all the time? get rid"

Pass and Move player with phenomenal workrate and a decent shot (Henderson) - "Doesn't impose himself on games, not confident enough, get rid"

For the owners:

Constantly hear about a return to doing things like we did in the old days
“Why can’t we keep our dirty washing behind closed doors?”. But once we actually DO keep things behind closed doors: “It’s not good enough, the owners aren’t giving us enough attention and justifying what they’re doing. Why can’t they be more open and communicative. I can’t see what their plan is”

“It’s the holy trinity – they need to get out of the way and sign the cheques” shortly followed by “I can’t believe they’ve left Kenny out to dry during this whole Suarez thing – disgraceful – hardly saw hide nor hair of them. And what’s our footballing vision meant to be? The owners haven’t implemented any kind of consistent philosophy”

“It’s disgraceful the way they treated Kenny – I can’t believe they sacked a legend and didn’t have anyone lined up to replace him” followed days later by: “Unbelievable – turns out getting to the cup final never mattered and the owners have been speaking to Villas Boas about taking over WEEKS ago. Well I’ve had enough – who are these Yanks? They don’t understand football and above all – it’s not The Liverpool WAY!!!”

Sadly, it is true

Dr. Tongue · « **Reply #113 on:** May 22, 2012, 07:17:46 AM »

This is bollocks. It can't exist in today's football world. The only teams that have their own ways are Man U and Arsenal and that's because their managers have been there for 26 years and 16 years. Ferguson and Wenger are the last relics of those old days.

Kovai Red · « **Reply #114 on:** May 22, 2012, 07:35:38 AM »

Quote from: Dr. Tongue on May 22, 2012, 07:17:46 AM

This is bollocks. It can't exist in today's football world. The only teams that have their own ways are Man U and Arsenal and that's because their managers have been there for 26 years and 16 years. Ferguson and Wenger are the last relics of those old days.

And Moyes

10 fuckin years

The Bill Hicks Appreciation Society · « **Reply #115 on:** May 22, 2012, 11:10:51 AM »

Quote from: Dr. Tongue on May 22, 2012, 07:17:46 AM

This is bollocks. It can't exist in today's football world. The only teams that have their own ways are Man U and Arsenal and that's because their managers have been there for 26 years and 16 years. Ferguson and Wenger are the last relics of those old days.

Ah yes the Man U way - classless, arrogant, win at all costs while retaining unprecedented levels of hypocrisy without any trace of irony.

Kashinoda · « **Reply #116 on:** May 22, 2012, 12:14:10 PM »

Quote from: mikey_LFC on May 21, 2012, 04:11:07 PM

One of the great things I noticed about his career during the video is the amount of time he was given to build and rebuild the squad. Between his 7th and 14th season in charge he was given time to rebuild the squad and despite not winning trophies the support from the fans and the board never faded, shown by the crowds after they came back from losing the 1971 cup final, can you imagine us doing any of that nowadays. Just imagine how inspiring it would have been for the team to return to Anfield with crowds like that welcoming them back this year after the FA cup final. They must have been truly staggering times to be a football supporter. And I think what that shows is the Liverpool Way wasn't all about winning, it was far more about respect, loyalty and community.

Is totally right, Shankly made mistakes the same as any manager does. He was given the time and rectified his mistakes, the rest is history. Liverpool FC wouldn't be the club it is today if they had turfed him out for going 7 years without winning anything. Who's to say we couldn't have been league champions by now if Rafa stayed? Loyalty, patience. It's all gone.

keyo · « **Reply #117 on:** May 23, 2012, 04:02:36 AM »

Quote from: Kashinoda on May 22, 2012, 12:14:10 PM

Is totally right, Shankly made mistakes the same as any manager does. He was given the time and rectified his mistakes, the rest is history. Liverpool FC wouldn't be the club it is today if they had turfed him out for going 7 years without winning anything. Who's to say we couldn't have been league champions by now if Rafa stayed? Loyalty, patience. It's all gone.

exact point......wonder where united would be if they had caved in to the pressure in 1991

kevin87 · « **Reply #118 on:** May 23, 2012, 04:21:24 AM »

Quote from: Andy @ Allerton on May 19, 2012, 05:10:57 PM

Respect and dignity to the fans and the players and the Liverpool family
Give nothing to the media except what we want to when we want to
Pride in the City
Go about our business quietly and professionally

forever united, Always together. club, supporters and city

Carolina Red · « **Reply #119 on:** May 23, 2012, 04:36:45 AM »

Historical values should be honored and kept, with the realization that those values may manifest themselves in different ways than in the past, given today's cutthroat competition and 24-7 media environment.

For example, "keeping things in house" back in the days when a newspaper arrived once a day with a couple pages of sport news is one thing, "keeping things in house" in an era of internet forums, round the clock sports news channels, blogs, radio call in shows, twitter, social media, and global interest will look very different.

Fans can't agree on what they want from the club, which is why their input should be taken with a grain of salt. For example:

"No crass sugar daddy owners like Chelsea or City, but our net spend not high enough, owners need to spend more. How to spend more? Well, no debt please! Raise revenues, but don't do it like United. And don't raise ticket prices! Emphasize youth and self sustaining finances, but fuck Arsenal they don't win anything. The owners have been here for a season and half and still don't have things sorted. Kenny's been in charge a season and half, he needs more time." And so forth.

What fans really want is to win. It's a lot easier to be classy to other teams fans and clap the opposing keeper when you know you're about to beat the shit out of them