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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #400 on: May 20, 2012, 09:07:48 AM »
I'd prefer to see the outcome first, then make a judgement on how to react then and only then, rather than knee jerking before we know the outcome.

Seems quite reasonable in my eyes.

Hypothetically, lets say we appoint a very very good manager? A very plausible outcome in my opinion. There are going to be a lot of people looking like tits would you not agree?

No because it's only the Internet.
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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #401 on: May 20, 2012, 09:12:16 AM »
No because it's only the Internet.

Constructive post.

Ok then, there are going to be a lot of people looking like tits ON THE INTERNET, SPECIFICALLY RAWK.

Is that better?
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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #402 on: May 20, 2012, 09:13:57 AM »
Constructive post.

Ok then, there are going to be a lot of people looking like tits ON THE INTERNET, SPECIFICALLY RAWK.

Is that better?

Jesus wept mate, it really is only the Internet, no need to get all wound up!
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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #403 on: May 20, 2012, 09:15:35 AM »
Jesus wept mate, it really is only the Internet, no need to get all wound up!

Ha ha, I'm not wound up

just rebutting a shite post trying to score cheap points.
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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #404 on: May 20, 2012, 09:19:44 AM »
Ha ha, I'm not wound up

just rebutting a shite post trying to score cheap points.

I'm not after scoring points, cheap or otherwise, that's your job it seems.
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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #405 on: May 20, 2012, 09:24:53 AM »
I'm not after scoring points, cheap or otherwise, that's your job it seems.

Round and round we go.

you still haven't added anything constructive to the debate

Lets just leave it at that before we get into a cycle of pointless one liners
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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #406 on: May 20, 2012, 09:28:40 AM »
I think you've made a fool of yourself more than twice in this thread alone

Why? Im being honest the owners are coming across as amateurs and clueless.
This is from a scouse Evertonian journo and he's spot on !!

Liverpool won't get Jose Mourinho or any top boss while the club is such a shambles under John Henry and Co

Henry and Tom Werner were heralded as the acceptable face of American ownership – they now look like rank amateurs


Jose Mourinho must be wondering what he has done wrong. Or maybe, wherever he is holidaying, the signal is dodgy.

Surely, the call from Liverpool must come. Surely, that finger-to-the-lips gesture is still not held against the Special One.

So what if he happens to have a £10million-a-year contract as manager of the most decorated club in the history of European club football?

It’s got to be worth a stab, hasn’t it?

After all, those fonts of footballing knowledge - John W Henry, Tom Werner and Ian Ayre - apparently came up with at least eight names during a conference call the other day.

Presumably flicking through the latest edition of World Soccer magazine, they rattled off a Who’s Who and Who? of coaching.

Pep Guardiola, Fabio Capello, Jurgen Klopp, Frank de Boer, Andre Villas-Boas, Didier Deschamps and, er, Roberto Martinez and Brendan Rodgers.

They have already asked for permission to speak to Wigan Athletic’s manager… maybe they are going to ask him if he can think of anyone else for the list.

Some well-informed people suggest the search will be widened further – with as many as 12 people asked for interview.

And don’t forget, Gary Neville has not added another job to his bulging portfolio in the last couple of days. Keep your phone on, Gary.

But it looks like Jose has been snubbed, which, when you are playing some bizarre game of Fantasy Manager, seems odd.

Of course, Liverpool would have more chance of swapping Jordan Henderson for Cristiano Ronaldo than luring Mourinho to Merseyside.

But not so long ago, it might not have been such a far-fetched proposition.

Restoring former glories to what was once one of the world’s most iconic clubs is a project that would appeal to someone with a bursting ego and boundless vanity.

Someone who quite fancies wandering past a statue of himself.

Someone who has a deep well of respect for the religious nature of Liverpool’s support.

And one day – maybe after he has become the first manager to win three Champions League titles - I reckon Jose will fancy it. He has hinted as much in the past.

But under this Anfield regime? Not a chance.

They were heralded as the acceptable face of American ownership – they now look like rank amateurs.

Feel free to sack a legend, a Premier League-winning manager lest you forget, a man who doesn’t need to spill oily words of PR guff to gild Liverpool’s image.

Feel free to sack a legend, one whose failure to drag his psyche out of the Eighties proved decisive in his dismissal.

Feel free to sack a legend, one who at least furnished the club with its first trophy in six years.

Feel free to sack a legend. But have even the vaguest plan in place.

According to some spectacular gobbledygook from managing director Ayre, there is a plan. Not just to find a successor to Kenny Dalglish but to replace Director of Football Damien Comolli.

Here goes.

“We are going to have a different structure. We are fairly imminent on a lot of the positions where people have exited. The idea is to have rather than one person with the responsibility for all things that Damien’s role took on, we want to make sure there is key focus on each of the key segments in that role.

“… running a big football club is a big challenge and it is evident you need focus in each area, with a specialist in each area to give us value in each area … all will become quite clear soon.”

Well, anything has to be clearer than that dollop of Americanised corporate nonsense.

Ayre, Werner and Henry would do well to recall one of Bill Shankly’s pearls.

“At a football club, there is a holy trinity. The players, the manager and the supporters. Directors … are only there to sign the cheques.”

There might be a structure beneath Mr. Ferguson, beneath Roberto Mancini, beneath Arsene Wenger – but, football-wise, they dictate everything that goes on at their club.

Just as Mourinho does at the Bernabeu.

Liverpool needs a manager who has established winning credentials at the highest level.

Which is why, with respect, the presence of Martinez and – before he wisely chose to distance himself from the mess – Rodgers on a list alongside such luminaries as Guardiola and Capello has little more than farce value.

They won’t get a Mourinho. And if they continue with this half-cocked beauty contest, they won’t get any manager with a track record of triumph at an elite level.

Because right now, the sign still says This Is Anfield.

But … This Is A Shambles.

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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #407 on: May 20, 2012, 09:30:41 AM »
"Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes,
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It is terribly simple."

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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #408 on: May 20, 2012, 09:34:38 AM »
Hi all, I've been a little upset at the lack of interest being showed to Rafa for the job. (At least, from what I gather in the press.)
How can we make FSG understand that Rafa tries his best for the club & people and this will in the long run appreciate LFC's stock in every sense of the word.

Part of me feels we should rouse up another "internet terrorist" type of sustained global pressure which saw the 2 cowboys being kicked out on FSG to get Rafa at least be considered.
I know he's not the choice of some but his track record suggests that he's good and he can never be accused of giving his best for the club.
Admittedly, he may be abrasive with owners but he only has the best of the team at heart.

Thoughts please?

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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #409 on: May 20, 2012, 09:37:11 AM »
Why? Im being honest the owners are coming across as amateurs and clueless.
This is from a scouse Evertonian journo and he's spot on !!

Liverpool won't get Jose Mourinho or any top boss while the club is such a shambles under John Henry and Co

Henry and Tom Werner were heralded as the acceptable face of American ownership – they now look like rank amateurs


Jose Mourinho must be wondering what he has done wrong. Or maybe, wherever he is holidaying, the signal is dodgy.

Surely, the call from Liverpool must come. Surely, that finger-to-the-lips gesture is still not held against the Special One.

So what if he happens to have a £10million-a-year contract as manager of the most decorated club in the history of European club football?

It’s got to be worth a stab, hasn’t it?

After all, those fonts of footballing knowledge - John W Henry, Tom Werner and Ian Ayre - apparently came up with at least eight names during a conference call the other day.

Presumably flicking through the latest edition of World Soccer magazine, they rattled off a Who’s Who and Who? of coaching.

Pep Guardiola, Fabio Capello, Jurgen Klopp, Frank de Boer, Andre Villas-Boas, Didier Deschamps and, er, Roberto Martinez and Brendan Rodgers.

They have already asked for permission to speak to Wigan Athletic’s manager… maybe they are going to ask him if he can think of anyone else for the list.

Some well-informed people suggest the search will be widened further – with as many as 12 people asked for interview.

And don’t forget, Gary Neville has not added another job to his bulging portfolio in the last couple of days. Keep your phone on, Gary.

But it looks like Jose has been snubbed, which, when you are playing some bizarre game of Fantasy Manager, seems odd.

Of course, Liverpool would have more chance of swapping Jordan Henderson for Cristiano Ronaldo than luring Mourinho to Merseyside.

But not so long ago, it might not have been such a far-fetched proposition.

Restoring former glories to what was once one of the world’s most iconic clubs is a project that would appeal to someone with a bursting ego and boundless vanity.

Someone who quite fancies wandering past a statue of himself.

Someone who has a deep well of respect for the religious nature of Liverpool’s support.

And one day – maybe after he has become the first manager to win three Champions League titles - I reckon Jose will fancy it. He has hinted as much in the past.

But under this Anfield regime? Not a chance.

They were heralded as the acceptable face of American ownership – they now look like rank amateurs.

Feel free to sack a legend, a Premier League-winning manager lest you forget, a man who doesn’t need to spill oily words of PR guff to gild Liverpool’s image.

Feel free to sack a legend, one whose failure to drag his psyche out of the Eighties proved decisive in his dismissal.

Feel free to sack a legend, one who at least furnished the club with its first trophy in six years.

Feel free to sack a legend. But have even the vaguest plan in place.

According to some spectacular gobbledygook from managing director Ayre, there is a plan. Not just to find a successor to Kenny Dalglish but to replace Director of Football Damien Comolli.

Here goes.

“We are going to have a different structure. We are fairly imminent on a lot of the positions where people have exited. The idea is to have rather than one person with the responsibility for all things that Damien’s role took on, we want to make sure there is key focus on each of the key segments in that role.

“… running a big football club is a big challenge and it is evident you need focus in each area, with a specialist in each area to give us value in each area … all will become quite clear soon.”

Well, anything has to be clearer than that dollop of Americanised corporate nonsense.

Ayre, Werner and Henry would do well to recall one of Bill Shankly’s pearls.

“At a football club, there is a holy trinity. The players, the manager and the supporters. Directors … are only there to sign the cheques.”

There might be a structure beneath Mr. Ferguson, beneath Roberto Mancini, beneath Arsene Wenger – but, football-wise, they dictate everything that goes on at their club.

Just as Mourinho does at the Bernabeu.

Liverpool needs a manager who has established winning credentials at the highest level.

Which is why, with respect, the presence of Martinez and – before he wisely chose to distance himself from the mess – Rodgers on a list alongside such luminaries as Guardiola and Capello has little more than farce value.

They won’t get a Mourinho. And if they continue with this half-cocked beauty contest, they won’t get any manager with a track record of triumph at an elite level.

Because right now, the sign still says This Is Anfield.

But … This Is A Shambles.

So you've taken to listening to the words of an Evertonian Journo, and giving credence to it? There couldn't possibly be an agenda in any way shape or form though, particularly after dumping them out the semis?

or is it because it supports your need to want to throw shit at the owners, even though it written by a journo who is openly a supporter of one of our bitterest rivals? If it was a Manc supporting journo woud you give it the same gravitas? Cos it practically the same

Next stop -  taking the advice off bitter blue taxi drivers in order to form an opinion on the club.
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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #410 on: May 20, 2012, 09:39:22 AM »
Hi all, I've been a little upset at the lack of interest being showed to Rafa for the job. (At least, from what I gather in the press.)
How can we make FSG understand that Rafa tries his best for the club & people and this will in the long run appreciate LFC's stock in every sense of the word.
Look, there can be many things. Firstly, the media reports can be incorrect. Secondly, there are also good footballing reasons why Rafa is not going to be the preference. Thirdly, they followed us fans last year and the result was not good this year, so they might be reluctant to again try to the fan's favorite.

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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #411 on: May 20, 2012, 09:40:36 AM »
The tone of the introduction is a bit exaggerated, it reads like we've been without a manager for a month - it's been 3 days. Yes, we're lacking several appointments and have been for a while but don't lump manager in with that. Am I alone in thinking FSG are getting undeserved grief? We wanted our new owners to keep what they're up to 'in-house', now they're doing just that they get slated. They can't win whatever they do at the moment. They want to win - 8th in the league is a slide to be arrested quickly and they've moved to do that. Just my opinion.

You're not alone. There have been some excellent reasoned threads on the very same subject recently. Despite how devestated I still am for Kenny, this is not the time for pitchforks.
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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #412 on: May 20, 2012, 09:42:06 AM »
there are also good footballing reasons why Rafa is not going to be the preference.

I'd LOVE to hear them.
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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #413 on: May 20, 2012, 09:42:16 AM »
So you've taken to listening to the words of an Evertonian Journo, and giving credence to it? There couldn't possibly be an agenda in any way shape or form though, particularly after dumping them out the semis?

or is it because it supports your need to want to throw shit at the owners, even though it written by a journo who is openly a supporter of one of our bitterest rivals? If it was a Manc supporting journo woud you give it the same gravitas? Cos it practically the same

Next stop -  taking the advice off bitter blue taxi drivers in order to form an opinion on the club.

Which part do you disagree with cos it is spot on (no matter who he supports)

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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #414 on: May 20, 2012, 09:43:04 AM »
Look, there can be many things. Firstly, the media reports can be incorrect. Secondly, there are also good footballing reasons why Rafa is not going to be the preference. Thirdly, they followed us fans last year and the result was not good this year, so they might be reluctant to again try to the fan's favorite.

Go on then, educate us. What 'good' footballing reasons are they possibly thinking of especially from Ian Ayre and FSG who in your opinion have good footballing minds.
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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #415 on: May 20, 2012, 09:45:39 AM »
Doesnt matter who's side it came from the simple fact is they sacked kenny and are wanting to interview 2 fella's that shouldnt be anywhere near Liverpool football club as a manager, they have both won fuck all oh that doesnt matter anymore I forgot  ::)

Bobby Martinez LFC manager god fucking help us !!!

What arrogance. They both have their teams playing good, attractive football - remind me, how did we do against Wigan and Swansea? Who knows what they could achieve with a more talented squad? Those of us with long memories remember a certain unknown/undecorated manager coming across the Pennines and the rest, as they say, is history. If we should end up with either of these managers it may do us a power of good.

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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #416 on: May 20, 2012, 09:45:49 AM »
Secondly, there are also good footballing reasons why Rafa is not going to be the preference.

Go on matey, educate me please.

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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #417 on: May 20, 2012, 09:50:44 AM »
Why? Im being honest the owners are coming across as amateurs and clueless.
This is from a scouse Evertonian journo and he's spot on !!

Liverpool won't get Jose Mourinho or any top boss while the club is such a shambles under John Henry and Co

Henry and Tom Werner were heralded as the acceptable face of American ownership – they now look like rank amateurs


Jose Mourinho must be wondering what he has done wrong. Or maybe, wherever he is holidaying, the signal is dodgy.

Surely, the call from Liverpool must come. Surely, that finger-to-the-lips gesture is still not held against the Special One.

So what if he happens to have a £10million-a-year contract as manager of the most decorated club in the history of European club football?

It’s got to be worth a stab, hasn’t it?

After all, those fonts of footballing knowledge - John W Henry, Tom Werner and Ian Ayre - apparently came up with at least eight names during a conference call the other day.

Presumably flicking through the latest edition of World Soccer magazine, they rattled off a Who’s Who and Who? of coaching.

Pep Guardiola, Fabio Capello, Jurgen Klopp, Frank de Boer, Andre Villas-Boas, Didier Deschamps and, er, Roberto Martinez and Brendan Rodgers.

They have already asked for permission to speak to Wigan Athletic’s manager… maybe they are going to ask him if he can think of anyone else for the list.

Some well-informed people suggest the search will be widened further – with as many as 12 people asked for interview.

And don’t forget, Gary Neville has not added another job to his bulging portfolio in the last couple of days. Keep your phone on, Gary.

But it looks like Jose has been snubbed, which, when you are playing some bizarre game of Fantasy Manager, seems odd.

Of course, Liverpool would have more chance of swapping Jordan Henderson for Cristiano Ronaldo than luring Mourinho to Merseyside.

But not so long ago, it might not have been such a far-fetched proposition.

Restoring former glories to what was once one of the world’s most iconic clubs is a project that would appeal to someone with a bursting ego and boundless vanity.

Someone who quite fancies wandering past a statue of himself.

Someone who has a deep well of respect for the religious nature of Liverpool’s support.

And one day – maybe after he has become the first manager to win three Champions League titles - I reckon Jose will fancy it. He has hinted as much in the past.

But under this Anfield regime? Not a chance.

They were heralded as the acceptable face of American ownership – they now look like rank amateurs.

Feel free to sack a legend, a Premier League-winning manager lest you forget, a man who doesn’t need to spill oily words of PR guff to gild Liverpool’s image.

Feel free to sack a legend, one whose failure to drag his psyche out of the Eighties proved decisive in his dismissal.

Feel free to sack a legend, one who at least furnished the club with its first trophy in six years.

Feel free to sack a legend. But have even the vaguest plan in place.

According to some spectacular gobbledygook from managing director Ayre, there is a plan. Not just to find a successor to Kenny Dalglish but to replace Director of Football Damien Comolli.

Here goes.

“We are going to have a different structure. We are fairly imminent on a lot of the positions where people have exited. The idea is to have rather than one person with the responsibility for all things that Damien’s role took on, we want to make sure there is key focus on each of the key segments in that role.

“… running a big football club is a big challenge and it is evident you need focus in each area, with a specialist in each area to give us value in each area … all will become quite clear soon.”

Well, anything has to be clearer than that dollop of Americanised corporate nonsense.

Ayre, Werner and Henry would do well to recall one of Bill Shankly’s pearls.

“At a football club, there is a holy trinity. The players, the manager and the supporters. Directors … are only there to sign the cheques.”

There might be a structure beneath Mr. Ferguson, beneath Roberto Mancini, beneath Arsene Wenger – but, football-wise, they dictate everything that goes on at their club.

Just as Mourinho does at the Bernabeu.

Liverpool needs a manager who has established winning credentials at the highest level.

Which is why, with respect, the presence of Martinez and – before he wisely chose to distance himself from the mess – Rodgers on a list alongside such luminaries as Guardiola and Capello has little more than farce value.

They won’t get a Mourinho. And if they continue with this half-cocked beauty contest, they won’t get any manager with a track record of triumph at an elite level.

Because right now, the sign still says This Is Anfield.

But … This Is A Shambles.

Source?

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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #418 on: May 20, 2012, 09:54:38 AM »
So you've taken to listening to the words of an Evertonian Journo, and giving credence to it? There couldn't possibly be an agenda in any way shape or form though, particularly after dumping them out the semis?

or is it because it supports your need to want to throw shit at the owners, even though it written by a journo who is openly a supporter of one of our bitterest rivals? If it was a Manc supporting journo woud you give it the same gravitas? Cos it practically the same

Next stop -  taking the advice off bitter blue taxi drivers in order to form an opinion on the club.

Whats wrong with it? Educate please

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Re: Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #419 on: May 20, 2012, 09:55:16 AM »
Hi all, I've been a little upset at the lack of interest being showed to Rafa for the job. (At least, from what I gather in the press.)
How can we make FSG understand that Rafa tries his best for the club & people and this will in the long run appreciate LFC's stock in every sense of the word.

Part of me feels we should rouse up another "internet terrorist" type of sustained global pressure which saw the 2 cowboys being kicked out on FSG to get Rafa at least be considered.
I know he's not the choice of some but his track record suggests that he's good and he can never be accused of giving his best for the club.
Admittedly, he may be abrasive with owners but he only has the best of the team at heart.

Thoughts please?

Here's my thoughts 'derp'.

Nobody knows whats going on, or whether the club has approached Rafa, Mourinho or Mike Bassett.  We know that we've approached Rodgers and Martinez because their respective clubs decided to tell all and sundry.

The club is obviously working hard to bring someone in and at present have my full support.  Im not going to get upset while there is nothing to get upset about.  Anyone who suggests an 'internet terrorist' campaign to appoint Rafa should pack up their computer, return it to PC world as they aren't responsible enough to own one.

Let things take their course and see where we stand after we appoint someone.

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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #420 on: May 20, 2012, 09:55:43 AM »
Source?

Andy Dunn in the Sunday Mirror. I read it a few minutes ago.

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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #421 on: May 20, 2012, 10:00:13 AM »
Excellent letter from SOS. We need communication and clarity over this. If FSG are as professional as we are led to believe then why are they adopting a scattergun approach to finding a new manager? Surely they should have a number one target, with other names as potential back up.

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Re: Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #422 on: May 20, 2012, 10:01:51 AM »
Here's my thoughts 'derp'.

Nobody knows whats going on, or whether the club has approached Rafa, Mourinho or Mike Bassett.  We know that we've approached Rodgers and Martinez because their respective clubs decided to tell all and sundry.

The club is obviously working hard to bring someone in and at present have my full support.  Im not going to get upset while there is nothing to get upset about.  Anyone who suggests an 'internet terrorist' campaign to appoint Rafa should pack up their computer, return it to PC world as they aren't responsible enough to own one.

Let things take their course and see where we stand after we appoint someone.

This I would agree with.  People are so quick to judge based on rumour and conjecture.  Many people wanted TLW and now everything is happening behind closed doors people are all ready to go to war.

FSG will be judged on results and actions.  I agree there's a lot of recent reasons to be unhappy, but until we see their plan for the coming year or so unfold it's all just guesswork.

Many of you want Rafa back in post.  So do I.  But if rafa isn't chosen I will support my manager.

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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #423 on: May 20, 2012, 10:02:00 AM »
Andy Dunn in the Sunday Mirror. I read it a few minutes ago.

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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #424 on: May 20, 2012, 10:05:57 AM »
Why do so many people insist on living in an era that no longer exists?

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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #425 on: May 20, 2012, 10:08:06 AM »
Why? Im being honest the owners are coming across as amateurs and clueless.
This is from a scouse Evertonian journo and he's spot on !!

Liverpool won't get Jose Mourinho or any top boss while the club is such a shambles under John Henry and Co

Henry and Tom Werner were heralded as the acceptable face of American ownership – they now look like rank amateurs

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They won’t get a Mourinho. And if they continue with this half-cocked beauty contest, they won’t get any manager with a track record of triumph at an elite level.

Because right now, the sign still says This Is Anfield.

But … This Is A Shambles.

Excellent piece, but as a Liverpool fan, it's also very painful because he is so right.
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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #426 on: May 20, 2012, 10:17:35 AM »
If - and it's an if atm - Rafa does not feature in their plans it is not for 'good footballing reasons.' It is for non-footballing reasons, because of the loyalty he commands among the support allied to a past record of political infighting (and the worst from their perspective, that he came out on top in many of those battles.) It is why he was sacked before the sale and why Hodgson was appointed, and to pretend otherwise is to be naive. But as I say it's an 'if' at the moment. The only people we know about for sure are the ones who have ruled themselves out of that laughably long short list.
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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #427 on: May 20, 2012, 10:22:38 AM »
But all we know is media speculation so far, or the list off odds checker. They may well have had someone lined up already for all we know, and could be sat there ready to unveil their new management team, and new signings even.
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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #428 on: May 20, 2012, 10:23:54 AM »
Whats wrong with it? Educate please

Absolutely nothing apart from:-

1. it's written by an EFC supporting journo. We dont even know who the author is....hmmmmm

2. Its only correct if you sit on the side of the fence that wants to attack the owners, if you sit ion the side of the fence that prefers to wait to see the outcome, well then no, its just panic inducing (i'll bet decently written) artcile designed to stir the fans.

3. I dont take my cue to form an opinion from any newspaper, sky or any other bullshit section of the media. I purposley avoid them, dont buy or read newspapers, nor do i subscribe to sky, prefering to look at the facts when then are announced, you know like we use to do.

4. Where and when have the owners stated they even want Muhrinio?

5. The media smell further blood, pretty much because we are fuelling the blood thirst that is developing, and would love nothing better than to screw this club even further. if you want to be complicit in this - in the sense of letting them wind up the support, that's your call.


As i've stated over and over in this thread, how about we wait until they fill the positions before coming to judgement? If they are shit, then fine go for the 'lets go to war with the owners' stance, though i don't believe it will end well.

Until then it's probably best to sit tight, be paitaint and see how things develop, rather than being willing pawns in the media's efforts to harm / destablize our club.
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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #429 on: May 20, 2012, 10:24:53 AM »
If - and it's an if atm - Rafa does not feature in their plans it is not for 'good footballing reasons.' It is for non-footballing reasons, because of the loyalty he commands among the support allied to a past record of political infighting (and the worst from their perspective, that he came out on top in many of those battles.) It is why he was sacked before the sale and why Hodgson was appointed, and to pretend otherwise is to be naive. But as I say it's an 'if' at the moment. The only people we know about for sure are the ones who have ruled themselves out of that laughably long short list.

We dont actually know how long that laughbly long list is though, a lot of its guesswork dont forget, and a lot of journolists I suspect are throwing in all the names they can think of just to cover their bases just incase we end up with someone not so obvious.
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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #430 on: May 20, 2012, 10:30:29 AM »
We dont actually know how long that laughbly long list is though, a lot of its guesswork dont forget, and a lot of journolists I suspect are throwing in all the names they can think of just to cover their bases just incase we end up with someone not so obvious.

Yes, the list of "12" is probably a media invention to cover all their suspected choices. Having people spout this number as fact as a way to beat up FSG is poor.
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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #431 on: May 20, 2012, 10:32:02 AM »
We dont actually know how long that laughbly long list is though, a lot of its guesswork dont forget, and a lot of journolists I suspect are throwing in all the names they can think of just to cover their bases just incase we end up with someone not so obvious.

I doubt we even have a list it all stinks of Roy Hodgson all over again except its Bobby Martinez this time, and its all very Randy Lerner behaviour.

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« Reply #432 on: May 20, 2012, 10:33:11 AM »
I'd really like to know from FSG their footballing reason(s) for not looking at Rafa.

I think that they'd want to appoint someone who is totally agreeable - with them all the time.

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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #433 on: May 20, 2012, 10:34:27 AM »
Because if you do not learn from the mistakes of history you are doomed to constantly repeat them.

The other useful aphorism in this case is that "generals always fight the last war, especially if they have won it". In this case we have no proof this is the same situation as before with H&G or even if it needs fighting.
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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #434 on: May 20, 2012, 10:37:52 AM »
I doubt we even have a list it all stinks of Roy Hodgson all over again except its Bobby Martinez this time, and its all very Randy Lerner behaviour.

Mate, im far from happy with whats going on, its worrying dont get me wrong but im not getting that 2009/10 G&H deja vu feeling just yet. Lets see who end up with the job and take it from there. If FSG tell us anything people will complain its all being done in the open, if they tell us nothing they get accused of having no plan or not know what they are doing.
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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #435 on: May 20, 2012, 10:44:36 AM »
Mate, im far from happy with whats going on, its worrying dont get me wrong but im not getting that 2009/10 G&H deja vu feeling just yet. Lets see who end up with the job and take it from there. If FSG tell us anything people will complain its all being done in the open, if they tell us nothing they get accused of having no plan or not know what they are doing.

it's not quite the same as 2009/10 - it's the difference between owners who deliberately pile up toxic debt thus crippling the club, and owners who are rudderless, and are thus crippling the club.
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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #436 on: May 20, 2012, 10:46:38 AM »
Most managerial appointment is done in private as some managers who don't get the job but are currently in a job will alienate themselves with their current fans.  This issue for me is motorgob Dave Whelan openly quoting about Martinez and hence, the media storm off the back of it.

I will wait for FSG to make an appointment before deciding on this on the premise that they can give assurance to fans that the right people are helping them with the search as per what SOS said in the open letter.

What's more concerning is the 2 faces of Ian Ayre - he seems to be a glorified yes man, say what people want to hear and it's all contradictory
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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #437 on: May 20, 2012, 10:47:26 AM »
it's not quite the same as 2009/10 - it's the difference between owners who deliberately pile up toxic debt thus crippling the club, and owners who are rudderless, and are thus crippling the club.

You don't half exaggerate do you mate? They've already said there will be wholesale management appointments in a week or two to replace the lost roles. So we don't have structure in place for a few weeks, that's hardly going to derail and "cripple" the club at the end of a season.
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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #438 on: May 20, 2012, 10:49:59 AM »
Excellent letter from SOS. We need communication and clarity over this. If FSG are as professional as we are led to believe then why are they adopting a scattergun approach to finding a new manager? Surely they should have a number one target, with other names as potential back up.

How can you have a number one target if you haven't heard their ideas and whether they tie in with your own.

This revolutionary approach adopted by FSG is called the interview process. I have no problem with it

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Re: Letter to FSG:Recent Events
« Reply #439 on: May 20, 2012, 10:53:52 AM »
They lobby for change on behalf of their members, is that not essentially what any union exists for?



It was formed due to H&G predations. They're gone. I'm curious as to what change they need to lobby for at this time? Theirs is surely a watching brief at best for now?
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