Topic: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?

[degsy45]

 Idontknowwhothefookisgonnagetit

[Fat Scouser]

I had the misfortune of seeing that post you quoted. Man, the guts of these hypocrites now showing everyone what a self-styled shining beacon of supportership is like.

He tries it every so often. He just tests the waters to see if people have forgot. He's biding his time to accuse me of internet bullying and then getting me a long term ban.

[west_london_red]

Expect to get ripped for this, but if Robert Martins, the 38 year old ex lower league player, had kept Wigan up with a game to spare would we still be getting some of the same posts of support Martinez is?
Is it just some belief a Spanish manager will lead to us buying more Spanish and South American players?

I dont think hes anyones first choice, I just personally dont believe if we do appoint him were guranteed to go backwards or get relegated either. If it is him, I'll be disapointed but I'd give him some time to prove us wrong before we should start sharpening the pitch forks thats all.

[shelovesyou]

Irony Alert,  Glasshouses and Stones come to mind!

 you know I hate to remind you, but I will seeing as you wrote this amazing post above, this club would have been a lot better off now if certain people had not hounded a great manager like Benitez out of it, so given your standpoint on Rafa at the time i admire your cojones to write this post.

The fact that they managed to hound Kenny out is irrelevent much as I detest it,because Rafa should still have been here now, and then a legend like Kenny would not have had to step in like the US cavalry and then get kicked out like an old boot!

Please dont reply as i am just making a point,

Ok.

[Walk on, walk on]

He tries it every so often. He just tests the waters to see if people have forgot. He's biding his time to accuse me of internet bullying and then getting me a long term ban.

Fats auld lad I think people who've been here long enough will know what kind of person he is. I won't bother with the likes of him, no sense getting ourselves banned. Just pity those newer ones around here thinking he's this fair and just everyone-needs-time the-liverpool-way kind of fan. Until he, the great arbiter of managerial competency, turns on the next manager anyway.

[walshys_mullet]

Completely irrelevant they love baseball more than footy. They haven't invested money into the club for a laugh. Just because we've been successful on the pitch more often than not, its masked alot of issues we've had off the field. I don't expect someone to resolve such issues in a short space of time like some do.

How is it completely ireleveant. They love their sport, a major sport in the u.s Football isnt.

That means between the sox and lfc, we'll come second. They dont want to spend large sums of money. What do we have in the coffers this summer? 30 million im led to believe. What does that get you for a squad that needs a lot of investing in, as it did last year and the year before.

Two years is a long time in footy mate you should know that.

[kenworthy]

I dont think hes anyones first choice, I just personally dont believe if we do appoint him were guranteed to go backwards or get relegated either. If it is him, I'll be disapointed but I'd give him some time to prove us wrong before we should start sharpening the pitch forks thats all.

Sensible. I wish there was more of this on RAWK. We need to take time to breathe and put away the banners of discontent. Kenny and Shanks would not want us writing the dire future of our club and FSG while predicting the downfall of our yet-to-be-named manager. We need to keep that in mind as we move forward in this delicate and trying time.

[redmark]

This club that needs overhauling from top to bottom, was winning European Cups not so long ago. The boss who took it over, revamped the whole place from top to bottom.

The people calling for this surgery that's supposedly 20 years too late, contributed to that man getting the sack. They called for his replacement and got their way. Then when he fucked it, as most sane people knew he would, they called for Kenny and spoke of their undying love and loyalty for the lad. He's seats not even cold and they're calling for major overhauls.

Dear god. How stupid are some of you people. You've been through all this before, time and time again, yet you still think you have the right to be taken seriously when suggesting what the club needs?

The lunatics have taken over the asylum.

It's not all the same people saying the same things and making the same mistakes. I never called for Rafa to be sacked and was of the (stated) opinion that the campaigns against the owners could have done more to support him. He's still my preferred candidate now, if I was making the decision. I wanted Dalglish as manager before we signed Hodgson and before we sacked him. I've never called for Dalglish to be sacked, but can see why he was without resorting to the conclusions some have about FSG.

I'm not proposing any particular name for manager personally, for a number of reasons. I've also said that FSG have certainly made mistakes, and we will see very soon with their appointments whether their decision making process has improved. But I see no evidence for the most alarmist narratives being put forward, most of which contain more preconceptions, inconsistencies and selective 'facts' than the average post-match thread.

I'll wait and see. Unless you, Rossi, Al and others have a few hundred million stashed away to buy the club, we all will have to do so. Ultimately G&H lost control of the club because they couldn't borrow money. We can't force out FSG on that basis, so let's see what they do before getting the lynchmobs prepared.

[Ken-Obi]

History and heritage should stop being the reason why a top manager would want to manage us.

The main reasons should be:
- sound financial policies
- strong backing from owners
- good relationship between players, fans and coaching staff
- ambition to be the best/the challenge

[shelovesyou]

He tries it every so often. He just tests the waters to see if people have forgot. He's biding his time to accuse me of internet bullying and then getting me a long term ban.

Paranoid a bit there arent yer.
I have no care nor inclination to you or anything you think.
You are clueless.

[Walk on, walk on]

History and heritage should stop being the reason why a top manager would want to manage us.

The main reasons should be:
- sound financial policies
- strong backing from owners
- good relationship between players, fans and coaching staff
- ambition to be the best/the challenge

I don't know about the veracity of points 1 and 2, but I know of someone who fits points 3 and 4 to a T.

[L666KOP]

I'd bet he'll get Carragher's vote at the interview panel.

I hope so, and then hopefully he has to watch as his little plan unravels before him as Martinez works wonders and we go from strength to strength.
Carra meanwhile takes the player managers job at Marine.

[Adeemo]

Could this fella be ITK? Scroll down to 14:56, certainly makes interesting reading.
http://www.football-rumours.co.uk/

[WhiteHeat]

FSG have achieved nothing so far, but the other option was Peter Lim, a guy who had ran Man U-themed bars in South East Asia.

Surely no one thinks we'd have been better off with him?

Once David Moores sold the family silver, we were always going to end up with non-footballing people owning it.

[JIM FIXX]

They'll contact Benitez, but it'll be in January or next summer after the incoming schmuck has failed.

Fat Scouser is spot on as usual. Our predicament stems from the day Benitez was sacked for me and we have only ourselves to blame. We fired our manager just before selling the club (how many days was it?). You shouldn't be able to get away with that shit at Liverpool, but we helped them do it. We should of been unanimous in our support for him, we were blessed to have him. We had someone we could trust on the inside fighting for us, with proven pedigree. Yet so many seemed to think we could do better.

I'm still in shock about Dalglish, and fucking angry too. To sack a new manager who's just taken us to two finals in his first season. And who had rescued us from a relegation battle the previous season, playing some great football. When you take a step back and look at that for minute, it's insane. Then factor in that the man in question is Kenny Dalglish, it becomes an abomination.

Yet here we are again. We have liverpool fans telling other fans that it's all going to be ok. We should trust, and that the decision to sack kenny was somehow justifiable. Fuck me.

If Dalglish and Benitez can't unite this football club, I'm lost for solutions.

[Fat Scouser]

It's not all the same people saying the same things and making the same mistakes. I never called for Rafa to be sacked and was of the (stated) opinion that the campaigns against the owners could have done more to support him.

I've never called for a manager to be sacked or hired. It's not my place.
But I do know one thing... this is going to be our 4th manager in 2 years. We've only ever had something like 16 in our previous history.

This new Liverpool is the result of us cosying up to the media, and the fans getting their own way. It's not how things should be done.

All the teams above us, except Everton, are going to spend money. Some of them will spend very big indeed. We don't have that sort of dough. The only way to counter that is to have stability and a top notch manager. We've neither. But why on earth should we think a man who's constantly battled relegation can succeed? I've nothing against Roberto Martinez. From all accounts, he's a very nice man. But that's all we've got to go on, media accounts. And we know what that resulted in before.

Definition of madness... doing the same things over and over again, and expecting different results.

[kenworthy]

Could this fella be ITK? Scroll down to 14:56, certainly makes interesting reading.
http://www.football-rumours.co.uk/

Ummm, not sure even what to think about that.

[Adeemo]

Ummm, not sure even what to think about that.

Seems legit to me.

[west_london_red]

Seems legit to me.

Get down the bookies mate!

[rickythered]

Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?



This. I was there that day with the rest. Look at the comparisons, money does make you a big club the fans do.

[kenworthy]

FSG have achieved nothing so far, but the other option was Peter Lim, a guy who had ran Man U-themed bars in South East Asia.

Surely no one thinks we'd have been better off with him?

Once David Moores sold the family silver, we were always going to end up with non-footballing people owning it.

Cleaning up H&G's mess is nothing? Paying off the old stadium plans alone cost Ł35 million, and we just finished doing that. And that's just one small sliver of the overall shit left behind by those two nutters. Don't forget about how bad it was 18 months ago when we were on the verge of losing our club. I'm not going to be irrational at a time like this just because they haven't announced a new manager within the first few days of Kenny's sacking.

[Adeemo]

Get down the bookies mate!

Definitely considering it.

[kenworthy]

Seems legit to me.

Shite, Tom is emailing me again.

[L666KOP]

Definitely considering it.

Not sure which is the better value, Barrett as manager, or Kendall as DOF.

Might check the double......

[redmark]

I've never called for a manager to be sacked or hired. It's not my place.
But I do know one thing... this is going to be our 4th manager in 2 years. We've only ever had something like 16 in our previous history.

This new Liverpool is the result of us cosying up to the media, and the fans getting their own way. It's not how things should be done.

All the teams above us, except Everton, are going to spend money. Some of them will spend very big indeed. We don't have that sort of dough. The only way to counter that is to have stability and a top notch manager. We've neither. But why on earth should we think a man who's constantly battled relegation can succeed? I've nothing against Roberto Martinez. From all accounts, he's a very nice man. But that's all we've got to go on, media accounts. And we know what that resulted in before.

Definition of madness... doing the same things over and over again, and expecting different results.

I don't disagree that the media, fans reaction etc all have an impact and 'we' as a block have ourselves to blame. The underlying reason behind 4 managers in two years though is mis-management of the club, which actually listen to stupid callers and act on daft demands. Firstly G&H, Purslow etc. Then FSG taking poor advice, not understanding football and making poor decisions.

All some of us are saying is that they have an opportunity to demonstrate they have learned from that experience, to put it right. They do have some history of aiming for and achieving success in a sporting environment. We will see very soon if they've learned. I'll need a bit more evidence (and better arguments) to convince me that they're actually aiming for mediocrity (or worse), though.

[Fat Scouser]

Paranoid a bit there arent yer.
I have no care nor inclination to you or anything you think.
You are clueless.

I take that as a real high compliment coming from you.

[Adeemo]

Might check the double......

Exactly, why miss out? Solid source.

[mtpeters]

Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?



This. I was there that day with the rest. Look at the comparisons, money does make you a big club the fans do.

40+ pages of back and forth bickering when this was all that really needed to be said.

[kenworthy]

Exactly, why miss out? Solid source.

I'd take a chance on those sausages he was talking about.

[Romford_Red]

Its the same issue of preparedness and patience, or lack thereof. They were railroaded into a panic buy on Carroll, but on this they have no plan in place and we're being told 'be patient'. Flip flop, flip flop.

Hold on, you can't criticise them for being 'railroaded' into a decision in the past, then criticise them for taking their time at the moment.

I hate the term flip-flop, as it suggests if you publicly say you're going to do one thing, as evidence (or statistical analysis) suggests it is the right thing to do, then you get evidence to say that was the wrong way and decide to do the opposite, you are stupid and crap. That is not the case at all. That's the right way to do things.


In any case, you can't have it both ways, either they were stupid to rush in for Carroll, or they are shit for not rushing now. You can't have both.

[kenworthy]

Hold on, you can't criticise them for being 'railroaded' into a decision in the past, then criticise them for taking their time at the moment.

I hate the term flip-flop, as it suggests if you publicly say you're going to do one thing, as evidence (or statistical analysis) suggests it is the right thing to do, then you get evidence to say that was the wrong way and decide to do the opposite, you are stupid and crap. That is not the case at all. That's the right way to do things.


In any case, you can't have it both ways, either they were stupid to rush in for Carroll, or they are shit for not rushing now. You can't have both.

Not being argumentative or taking a side. But isn't this the epitome of learning from past mistakes?

[L666KOP]

Who has said Capello has spoken to us?
Credible lead?
Cos skybet have him at 8-1 in from 25's. Hell of a reduction in odds.

They still have Roberto and Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas as favorites.

Redknapp has stayed on 25-1 despite the best attempts of the London based media bullshit.

[Fat Scouser]

I don't disagree that the media, fans reaction etc all have an impact and 'we' as a block have ourselves to blame. The underlying reason behind 4 managers in two years though is mis-management of the club, which actually listen to stupid callers and act on daft demands. Firstly G&H, Purslow etc. Then FSG taking poor advice, not understanding football and making poor decisions.

All some of us are saying is that they have an opportunity to demonstrate they have learned from that experience, to put it right. They do have some history of aiming for and achieving success in a sporting environment. We will see very soon if they've learned. I'll need a bit more evidence (and better arguments) to convince me that they're actually aiming for mediocrity (or worse), though.

They're not aiming for mediocrity. What they are aiming for is a maximizing of revenues and profits. They see being media friendly as an end towards making us popular. They made their mind up about Dalglish during the Suarez/Evra debacle. I even told a few people Kenny was a gonner back then. They left him out to dry. when it turned sour, they looked for a way out. They'll hire some fella who plays the media well. They'll try to get the club maximum exposure in the new football markets of the US and Asia. If we have success, great. It all puts more money in the coffers. But winning trophies - as they have said - is not the main aim of this club now. It's maximizing revenue. I don't know how more clearly they have to say this, before people accept it.

[MolbyLovesGravy]

Redknapp has stayed on 25-1 despite the best attempts of the London based media bullshit.

Rosie might consider placing a bet on that...

[Hazell]

Who has said Capello has spoken to us?
Credible lead?
Cos skybet have him at 8-1 in from 25's. Hell of a reduction in odds.

They still have Roberto and Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas as favorites.

Redknapp has stayed on 25-1 despite the best attempts of the London based media bullshit.

ESPN said Capello had spoken to us. A few hours later in a different article, they said he hadn't.

[shelovesyou]

Who has said Capello has spoken to us?
Credible lead?
Cos skybet have him at 8-1 in from 25's. Hell of a reduction in odds.

They still have Roberto and Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas as favorites.

Redknapp has stayed on 25-1 despite the best attempts of the London based media bullshit.

The Redknapp thing is him trying to push Levy into a new deal.
 

[redend]

40+ pages of back and forth bickering when this was all that really needed to be said.

And not one of those flags or banners had been handed out buckshee

[kenworthy]

ESPN said Capello had spoken to us. A few hours later in a different article, they said he hadn't.

ESPN's headline also said "No Contact with Capello" and the caption on the photo in the same article said "Capello in preliminary talks with Liverpool FC." Even they can't get it right.

[danduffy91]

Because we are Liverpool Football Club simple as that   

[kennedy81]

Seems legit to me.

lol he seemed concerned with his sozzies getting burned.