Topic: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?

[redmark]

Most worrying thing is that Ayre is conducting the interviews. How the shit is he qualified to narrow down the shortlist? Thats worrying.

I don't think Ayre has narrowed down the shortlist through interviews, if stories are to be believed, the shortlist has been narrowed by candidates ruling themselves out - if the Sky '12' names was even close to accurate. If it wasn't close to accurate, it may just be a case of a simple meeting with Ayre to outline the structure, with a proper interview arranged with FSG to follow if the manager is interested.

[kkjellquist]

The likelihood of a manager who writes for the scum getting the Liverpool job . . . .

Ha!  FSG will take one look at 'Arry's history of driving clubs into the ground and laugh at him.  I seriously doubt he has, or ever will be, on their wish list.

[lord_anshul]

Capello would be boss.

Yeah !! Get him and we'll win league in 3 years. Thats how he rolls.

[HighSix]

Hypothetically, Arsenal fans have been saying that for the past 6+ years. They've won jack shit, in some instances having choked spectacularly with the blame often put on Wenger's reluctance to invest/replace in certain key areas.

He only stopped & reverted to youth when the need to finance the stadium began which is a huge coincidence, the wages before were huge & fees significant. The stadium loans are now close to being paid & primary deals (less overall for the majority up front) are running out, in the next few year everything business wise is set up to kick on.

If the likes of Chelsea & City had not had billionaire investment they probably would have continued challenging! Arsenal are an example to us & I believe we will realise this when we start the new stadium process.

[Cruiser]

Capello ruled himself out on Italian tv. We have more chance of signing Chemical Ali!

[kennedy81]

Or counting the amount of times other teams hit the woodwork in their games.

I've heard if you count every time that every team hit the woodwork, as a goal, we'd have finished a point of fourth.

[surfer]

Capello ruled himself out on Italian tv. We have more chance of signing Chemical Ali!

Which program, any link mate?

[ricflairandy]

The Martinez appointment imo will mean settling for fighting for a top 8 spot every season at best and the odd cup run.

[Gautham931]

To answer the thread...

Why they should not consider?
1. Post-Dalglish, fans will always be skeptical of you.
2. Fans wont support you if results dont go your way
3. No Champion's League Football
4. Big Expectations
5. Club that has fired 3 managers in 2 years
6. May not be able to compete for the best names
7. Too much competition in the league

Why they should consider?
1. Opportunity to build a team from scratch
2. Tradition
3. Big Name Club
4. Challenge
5. If you are not currently employed by a CL club or courted by one, this is the next best destination
6. Lucrative compared to alternatives

[the_red_pill]

The reason for their sudden rise was the huge amount of money that Abramovich threw at signings. The fact is that any time we've had joint decisions on the football side, it has failed.

Bollicks- the reason for Chelsea's sudden rise was their policy of signing European players and managing the European way in the 90's- which is still the case. Abramovich has just continued that "policy". As I'm certain anyone of the more knowledgable posters on here will acknowlegde. Abramovich didn't come in until 2005 when they were already an established top-4 side, having had Gullit, Vialli and Ranieri who all built them into a top-4 side.

Before 1983, Chelsea had NEVER been in the 1st division. Not ever. They were were relegated again and promoted for the 2nd time in 1988. They were midtable/bottom-feeders until 1995 when they decided on a new policy to sign foreign players and had their first "foreign manager"(before any of the "top-4" and just as Wenger was signed).

This was their "sudden rise", since the other hapless English teams suddenly had to contend with a team full of foreigners and a foreign manager- something they weren't prepared for.

[Cruiser]

Which program, any link mate?

Sky showed him being interviewed on Italian tv about the job and him ruling himself out.

However I think it may have been the Chelsea job now, not ours... 

[didi]

The CL places will become very interesting if we get our act together. Assuming the two Manc clubs are not going anywhere anytime soon, that could leave us, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs fighting for the last two spots with the successful 2/4 changing from season to season. Consistant CL qualification will be very hard the 4 teams.

this club couldint fight its way out of a paperbag at the moment

[Dowling10]

Henry has never been shy of his admiration for the Arsenal model, from the stadium to the prudence they practice.

That's what FSG want, for us to become the Arsenal of the North. Become self-sufficient just enough to qualify for the CL every year, without having to invest anything to actually challenge/win it.

I'd take that in this moment in time.

[Legendary_Nines]

Who knows who we’ll get. Give everyone the job, then have them in a fight to the death to keep managers role – that’s reality TV! Ratings galore, with the revenue going to the Red Sox – It’s FSG masterplan, Liverpool just a pawn to help Boston.

What the fuck are you smoking?

WHY IS EVERYONE SO FUCKING NEGATIVE.

Give FSG a shot and the new manager a chance and then after that maybe complain?

[koptician]

The Martinez appointment imo will mean settling for fighting for a top 8 spot every season at best and the odd cup run.

In that case why let go of Kenny!

[placidcasual]

WHY IS EVERYONE SO FUCKING NEGATIVE.

Seems we are being conditioned that way by the pursuit of Martinez. Negativity breeds negativity.

[JanMølby]

It doesn't matter who they get. They've shown their hands. They don't give a toss about anything except money and image. They are probably listening to Adrian Durham right now, judging who's the flavour of the month. And they'll get away with it. They can hire and fire without regard of anyone. We gave them the bullets to fire. We are in this mess because we let Purslow sack Rafa. If we'd stood by the man, none of this would have happened. But we gave Purslow the bullets to fire. Us, on here, on the phones, on the radio, telly, letters pages... we caused this. We are getting what we deserved.

If you want to know who the next manager will be, have a look at who Talkshite and Sky are backing. They have picked the last two. They'll pick the next one, and the next, and the next, and the next, and the....

indeed

[west_london_red]

well if you check most teams who change managers every two years or less not many are successful unless they have mega bucks to spend, take spurs before Harry post Harry, take City which might be an exception it took a couple of seasons for Mancini to get the league, even with the money, I might even arguer that Chelsea may hav ebeen even stronger if they didnt have a manager per season!
You can also look at the other side of the coin, teams like, Forest, Leeds, Sheffield, Clubs to name but a few of once top clubs, have had a high turnover of managers and suffered because of it. New manager new upheaval in my view and if it is done too often that club goes backwards.

Another candidate for stability not so much winning something but still keeping the club there or there abouts is Moyes! Would Everton have been worse off with say 5 different managers in the last 10 years?

Probably because we always had Managers for a longish time even when not winning I am used to this theory and believe in it implicitly, in fact I used to laugh at clubs chopping and changing managers all the time.

Totally get where your coming from, but your assuming that the 'second manager' is no better then the current manager. For examlpe using Everton, lets say after a couple of seasons Moyes had been sacked and say Rafa was grabbed by Everton in 2004. Now assuming we all agree Rafa is a better manager then Moyes he should therefore have taken Everton further then Moyes would have. we do a simillar thing with the players on the pitch all the time, we have x player, y becomes avilable and is a better player, we buy y and sell x.

Im very much playing devils advocate here as I dont think stability for the sake of stability works nor does chopping and cganging every two minutes, but just more interested in what you think.

[Cruiser]

What the fuck are you smoking?

WHY IS EVERYONE SO FUCKING NEGATIVE.

Give FSG a shot and the new manager a chance and then after that maybe complain?

I'd say the fact we've approached a manager whos at home in relegation battles doesn't really breed optimism but suspicion about the clueless bells advising FSG.

[west_london_red]

this club couldint fight its way out of a paperbag at the moment

i did say if we get our act together! But yes, thats far from 100% right now.

[verbal kint]

Sky showed him being interviewed on Italian tv about the job and him ruling himself out.

However I think it may have been the Chelsea job now, not ours... 

It was Capello on the chelsea job on Saturday.

[petrichor]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18157122

At least Rick Parry knew what he was doing

But Parry revealed the Reds board took a different approach during his time at the helm.
"You first of all set the criteria very tightly," he said. "From my experience that led us to a shortlist of one. In each instance got the person we were looking for.
"In every negotiation there is skill, a bit of luck and the third element is timing. Sometimes that is in your favour, sometimes it isn't because it is all about the right people being available."

[Higgins79]

It doesn't matter who they get. They've shown their hands. They don't give a toss about anything except money and image. They are probably listening to Adrian Durham right now, judging who's the flavour of the month. And they'll get away with it. They can hire and fire without regard of anyone. We gave them the bullets to fire. We are in this mess because we let Purslow sack Rafa. If we'd stood by the man, none of this would have happened. But we gave Purslow the bullets to fire. Us, on here, on the phones, on the radio, telly, letters pages... we caused this. We are getting what we deserved.

If you want to know who the next manager will be, have a look at who Talkshite and Sky are backing. They have picked the last two. They'll pick the next one, and the next, and the next, and the next, and the....

100% correct. unfortunately though fella, it'll largely fall on deaf ears in here. far too many enjoying the 'drama'. Are you not entertained?

[Trada]

Just talking to James Pearce on Talksport.

[Adeemo]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18157122

At least Rick Parry knew what he was doing

But Parry revealed the Reds board took a different approach during his time at the helm.
"You first of all set the criteria very tightly," he said. "From my experience that led us to a shortlist of one. In each instance got the person we were looking for.
"In every negotiation there is skill, a bit of luck and the third element is timing. Sometimes that is in your favour, sometimes it isn't because it is all about the right people being available."

Why did he apparently interview Curbishley and Strachan before giving the job to Rafa in 2004 then? Chatting bollocks.

[Deadly 60]

Bollicks- the reason for Chelsea's sudden rise was their policy of signing European players and managing the European way in the 90's- which is still the case. Abramovich has just continued that "policy". As I'm certain anyone of the more knowledgable posters on here will acknowlegde. Abramovich didn't come in until 2005 when they were already an established top-4 side, having had Gullit, Vialli and Ranieri who all built them into a top-4 side.

Before 1983, Chelsea had NEVER been in the 1st division. Not ever. They were were relegated again and promoted for the 2nd time in 1988. They were midtable/bottom-feeders until 1995 when they decided on a new policy to sign foreign players and had their first "foreign manager"(before any of the "top-4" and just as Wenger was signed).

This was their "sudden rise", since the other hapless English teams suddenly had to contend with a team full of foreigners and a foreign manager- something they weren't prepared for.

Didn't they win the league back in the 50's?

[mat106]

What the fuck are you smoking?

WHY IS EVERYONE SO FUCKING NEGATIVE.

Give FSG a shot and the new manager a chance and then after that maybe complain?

Why get rid of Dalglish if only to replace him with a manager whose proven record consists of being one or two places above relegation zone?

[Bangin Them In]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18157122

At least Rick Parry knew what he was doing

But Parry revealed the Reds board took a different approach during his time at the helm.
"You first of all set the criteria very tightly," he said. "From my experience that led us to a shortlist of one. In each instance got the person we were looking for.
"In every negotiation there is skill, a bit of luck and the third element is timing. Sometimes that is in your favour, sometimes it isn't because it is all about the right people being available."

Dear Everyone

This is not correct

[ricflairandy]

Why get rid of Dalglish if only to replace him with a manager whose proven record consists of being one or two places above relegation zone?

because hes young aparently....

[whtwht]

Just talking to James Pearce on Talksport.

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[Trada]

James Pearce there has been no contact with Rafa and I doubt there will be.

[Trada]

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From the Liverpool Echo.

[mickeydocs]

My guess is we'll see a DOF hired, and then a decision made on the Manager. We are in stalling mode until the DOF is announced.

[whtwht]

From the Liverpool Echo.

ahh cheers . Seen him on LFC.tv

[Legendary_Nines]

Why get rid of Dalglish if only to replace him with a manager whose proven record consists of being one or two places above relegation zone?

Who said we're hiring Martinez?

[west_london_red]

Didn't they win the league back in the 50's?

They did, and Bates spent/borrowed an awful lot of money on buying those foreign players. They were a financial mess until Abramovich turned up.

[Suarez 7]

Capello would excite me to be honest, not only for his CV, but because if he accepts the job, you have got to assume its under the conditions that there is significant funds available to invest.

[mat106]

Who said we're hiring Martinez?

I think you'll find the answer to your question about "why the negativity?" is based on the premise of hiring  Martinez.

[Sharado]

Henry has never been shy of his admiration for the Arsenal model, from the stadium to the prudence they practice.

That's what FSG want, for us to become the Arsenal of the North. Become self-sufficient just enough to qualify for the CL every year, without having to invest anything to actually challenge/win it.

That is, exactly, what the plan for our football club is. Barring a very, very good manager expect largely barren years punctuated by the occasional, infrequent piece of domestic silverware. At best. That's the model.

YAY! GO SOCCERBALL!

[kkjellquist]

My guess is we'll see a DOF hired, and then a decision made on the Manager. We are in stalling mode until the DOF is announced.

a few questions...not looking for arguments, just honest opinions;

1. Is it possible the DoF is working already behind closed doors and involved in the search?  Is there anyway this could happen and not be leaked?

2. Would you be happier with Martinez if Txiki was the DoF?