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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #1000 on: May 22, 2012, 01:47:24 AM »
Something like 15M rising to 30M if he gets us into the top 4

Joking? Surely nowhere near that much?

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #1001 on: May 22, 2012, 01:59:49 AM »
Not sure if this has already been discussed but wouldn't we have to pay Wigan a significant amount of money to release Martinez from his contract? If so, have any figures been mentioned?

I've seen in a few papers £2 Million mentioned as the compensation fee.

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #1002 on: May 22, 2012, 02:09:34 AM »
I've seen in a few papers £2 Million mentioned as the compensation fee.

He cost them 2.5 from Swansea, still their biggest transfer fee received. Rodgers is 5 million if we did go for him. Swansea make people pay for their managers.
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #1003 on: May 22, 2012, 02:21:27 AM »
Quite right.

If i want to watch some fresh young manager get his feet wet, i.ll be watching west ham instead...

What we need is someone to bring this club forward and build systems for long term success. Several of those names who are linked to us have little experience being in a big club which attracts  media mongrels in a mating frenzy.

World class W.oy has cracked and is now managing a smaller team. Do we want to let another name of the season help entrench this club in mid table?

Absolutely.  Liverpool needs a manager who can hit the ground running.  There is little time for the manager to learn the ropes.  The manager must bring improvement with most if not the entire current squad as there won't be much money to be spent on transfers.

 

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #1004 on: May 22, 2012, 06:02:31 AM »
The media are in the dark, all it is at the moment is speculation. I think this list/interview things is a smokescreen - for me the decision and work was already done on a manager and we're now just sorting DoF before getting it it all rubber stamped and announced.

It's the way it should be, behind closed doors - despite some people thinking the opposite.
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #1005 on: May 22, 2012, 07:05:32 AM »
Not sure if this has already been discussed but wouldn't we have to pay Wigan a significant amount of money to release Martinez from his contract? If so, have any figures been mentioned?

I'm sure it has been taken into consideration, regardless.  According to @MirrorFootball, Martinez is flying back to Boston for a second interview (...but who knows if there is an ounce of truth to the story).

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/wigan-boss-roberto-martinez-set-843081

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #1006 on: May 22, 2012, 07:25:04 AM »
Capello hardly fits the profile but if we were going for an older manager, van Gaal is available. So is that Dalglish fella!

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #1007 on: May 22, 2012, 07:40:18 AM »
The media are in the dark, all it is at the moment is speculation. I think this list/interview things is a smokescreen - for me the decision and work was already done on a manager and we're now just sorting DoF before getting it it all rubber stamped and announced.

It's the way it should be, behind closed doors - despite some people thinking the opposite.

I think so as well. I believe Villas Boas has been in place for quite a while but obviously hoping not to cause a backlash from the fans they've kept it quiet and released little things like a short list to get everybody's attention divided. Don't forget all these managers that are saying no De Boer, Rodgers, Deschamps etc are just answering questions from journo's not denying actual job interviews from JWH. And they're probably a little pissed that they've heard about a short list and not had a call, so they are saving face.

Also I think Martinez is being interviewed as a backup in case the same thing happens here as it did at Chelsea and it all goes pete tong with Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas, which in my opinion would be an incredibly smart move by our owners. Only problem Villa might take him first having had Solskaer turn them down.

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #1008 on: May 22, 2012, 07:51:06 AM »
Personally I just want this done now. Whilst we're sorting out the backroom staff, Chelsea are lining up Falcao.  >:(
Wrong on two counts. He didn't give himself a ten match ban. And this thread is about calculating the ban not about selling Suarez. In the spirit of your post I'm giving you a ten day ban for detailing the thread. It's completely out of proportion but you did it to yourself. I take it you won't be asking for it to be reduced.

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #1009 on: May 22, 2012, 07:53:09 AM »
fuck it! its Martinez..




A toss-up between Martinez and Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas for me. Given Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas's spell at CFC his superior CV has to be qualified and brings it within range of Martinez' feats at smaller clubs, plus his Premiership experience.
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #1010 on: May 22, 2012, 07:53:13 AM »
Personally I just want this done now. Whilst we're sorting out the backroom staff, Chelsea are lining up Falcao.  >:(

We dont have a hope of getting Falcao

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #1011 on: May 22, 2012, 07:55:38 AM »
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Already in the thread, just 1 page back. No quotes, nothing, just more speculation and educated guesswork.

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #1012 on: May 22, 2012, 07:56:33 AM »
Whoever it is, it's going to be a season of rebuilding, while they work out what players they want. Hardly fills me with excitement, with the likes of carragher, kuyt, downing etc all getting another lease of life.
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #1013 on: May 22, 2012, 07:57:05 AM »
Personally I just want this done now. Whilst we're sorting out the backroom staff, Chelsea are lining up Falcao.  >:(
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #1014 on: May 22, 2012, 07:58:35 AM »
What you may be suggesting is that the manager makes no difference at all if the players are good enough. That's a radical position.
No.  But Chelsea players have form on this. Remember Scolari, a World Cup Winner, the players didn't want him, didn't play for him, got rid of him, went onto win a trophy without him. 
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #1015 on: May 22, 2012, 08:00:32 AM »
We dont have a hope of getting Falcao
He might be highly priced and I know we have no chance of getting him but with Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas we have more of a pull for these top players. Thats one of my worries with Martinez. Can he pull in the top stars? If im to be honest, no, I dont think he can.
We need to get this shit sorted pronto. A week to go and having to play catch up on whoever we're after.
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Wrong on two counts. He didn't give himself a ten match ban. And this thread is about calculating the ban not about selling Suarez. In the spirit of your post I'm giving you a ten day ban for detailing the thread. It's completely out of proportion but you did it to yourself. I take it you won't be asking for it to be reduced.

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #1016 on: May 22, 2012, 08:12:28 AM »
He might be highly priced but with Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas we have more of a pull. Thats one of my worries with Martinez. Can he pull in the top stars? If im to be honest, no, I dont think he can.
We need to get this shit sorted pronto. A week to go and having to play catch up.
Thats exactly why theyre interested in Martinez.... Because we only have a small budget and an even smaller wage structure compared to those teams above us.... We are now shopping in Lidls while the Mancs Chelsea are in Harrods Food Hall!!!

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #1017 on: May 22, 2012, 08:15:29 AM »
Thats exactly why theyre interested in Martinez.... Because we only have a small budget and an even smaller wage structure compared to those teams above us.... We are now shopping in Lidls while the Mancs Chelsea are in Harrods Food Hall!!!
Thing is sometimes you can find unearth some unexpected gems in Lidl. For example next to tins of pickle, you may find a 12" telescope.
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #1018 on: May 22, 2012, 08:18:55 AM »
Thing is sometimes you can find unearth some unexpected gems in Lidl. For example next to tins of pickle, you may find a 12" telescope.

Indeed. Tiote was 300k I believe?
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #1019 on: May 22, 2012, 08:22:22 AM »
Indeed. Tiote was 300k I believe?

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #1020 on: May 22, 2012, 08:23:18 AM »
Lambert, and as I said, Robinson, and many many more, all far better managers than Martinez working on a smaller budget. But managers that shouldn't be on the shortlist.
Martinez needs a chance at a big club, like Curbishley did, just not our fucking club.



'Many many more'
Stop talking shite please.
Talking about lower league managers against a man whose team achieved what Wigan did this season, playing like they did.
That's embarrassing
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #1021 on: May 22, 2012, 08:23:42 AM »
Indeed. Tiote was 300k I believe?
He cost them about 3.5m
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #1022 on: May 22, 2012, 08:24:06 AM »
its all a bit depressing this. Getting rid of dalglish you felt there would be a real statement of intent - a manager who would meet our ambitions. Sadly I honestly think we will be doing this little merry go round this time next year or worse still we will just accept that we are no more than a mid table club. At the end of the day you get what you pay for.
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #1023 on: May 22, 2012, 08:24:58 AM »
Thats exactly why theyre interested in Martinez.... Because we only have a small budget and an even smaller wage structure compared to those teams above us.... We are now shopping in Lidls while the Mancs Chelsea are in Harrods Food Hall!!!

Our wages are 4th highest in the league.
We were eighth.
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #1024 on: May 22, 2012, 08:25:34 AM »
'Many many more'
Stop talking shite please.
Talking about lower league managers against a man whose team achieved what Wigan did this season, playing like they did.
That's embarrassing


Not being funny but what on earth did wigan achieve this season?
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« Reply #1025 on: May 22, 2012, 08:29:23 AM »
Not being funny but what on earth did wigan achieve this season?
Not being funny but what on earth did wigan achieve this season?

They didn't get relegated...

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« Reply #1026 on: May 22, 2012, 08:30:58 AM »
Not being funny but what on earth did wigan achieve this season?

If you don't regard 15th as good going on a net budget of a million quid then you're a hard task master.
What more could they have gone?
And they spanked us, the Mancs and Arsenal.
That IMO is an achievement
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« Reply #1027 on: May 22, 2012, 08:32:45 AM »
They didn't get relegated...

I'd settle for that next season...
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« Reply #1028 on: May 22, 2012, 08:36:09 AM »
If you don't regard 15th as good going on a net budget of a million quid then you're a hard task master.
What more could they have gone?
And they spanked us, the Mancs and Arsenal.
That IMO us an achievement

Its not really though is it. You would have to say pardew getting to 5th was far far greater. The thing is I actually don't mind martinez but I think there is a huge gulf between mid table and the battle for top 4 let alone trying to win the league. Martinez has no experience in any of that. He has been a bottom of division manager for something like 3 seasons. He may prove me wrong but surely a club like Liverpool should be aiming higher.
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #1029 on: May 22, 2012, 08:37:18 AM »
I think the process is still at an early stage, and I don't think it's a two horse race just yet.

Our interest in Martinez became public only when Whelan opened his yak and talked to the media (inevitably), and Villas Boas was always going to be a contender since he was rumoured to be FSG's number one target when they first came in.

Frankly, if you're an employed manager and Liverpool Football Club approaches you to see whether you're interested in the manager's job, its in your best interests, and the interests of LFC, to keep quiet about it.

No one knew that Liverpool had approached De Boer until he came out and said that he had rejected an approach. I expect that other managers who were approached, and are interested in the job, would not disclose any information to the media.

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« Reply #1030 on: May 22, 2012, 08:38:43 AM »
Radio City now reporting that Martinez impressed in his interview at Anfield over the weekend. And has now been invited to Boston to meet John Henry. He's going to get this.
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« Reply #1031 on: May 22, 2012, 08:40:24 AM »
Yeah i know but th
Our wages are 4th highest in the league.
We were eighth.

i know but the highest payers just won the Prem and Champions League and are planning to add even more!!!

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« Reply #1032 on: May 22, 2012, 08:42:03 AM »
Radio City now reporting that Martinez impressed in his interview at Anfield over the weekend. And has now been invited to Boston to meet John Henry. He's going to get this.

Who would have interviewed him in Liverpool? Ayre?

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« Reply #1033 on: May 22, 2012, 08:42:16 AM »
Radio City now reporting that Martinez impressed in his interview at Anfield over the weekend. And has now been invited to Boston to meet John Henry. He's going to get this.

It feels almost inevitable that it will be, which I' m quite alright with, provided the two other men have the experience.

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« Reply #1034 on: May 22, 2012, 08:43:05 AM »
Probably as an initial face to face meeting yes
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #1035 on: May 22, 2012, 08:48:10 AM »
With all due respect, Roberto Martinez doesn't fit the description of a top manager.  All he has achieved in a very short career is keep Wigan in the Premier league.  Wigan started terribly this season but finished well.  FSG may find him cheap to employ and sack if things do not turn out well, but why risk their reputation with Martinez.  They have little to gain and a lot to lose. 
It's an appointment of the highest risk and I find it disturbing that they are playing gambling the club's reputation on a manager who has achieved nothing compared to the likes of Kenny Dalglish and Rafael Benitez. 

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« Reply #1036 on: May 22, 2012, 08:54:44 AM »
I think Wigan play nice football and Martinez has done a good job.

I also think Norwich, Swansea finished above them, surely their players net value and spend were similar if not less than Wigan?

I think Martinez could be a good manager, Im not sure I would be prepared to gamble our clubs immediate future on an unproven manager who hasnt won anything. I would rather go with someone with a little more experience of managing bigger clubs and players.
We are on a downward slope, its a big risk appointing someone with little experience and exposore to this type of challenge
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« Reply #1037 on: May 22, 2012, 08:56:43 AM »
Who would have interviewed him in Liverpool? Ayre?
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« Reply #1038 on: May 22, 2012, 08:57:00 AM »
Its not really though is it. You would have to say pardew getting to 5th was far far greater. The thing is I actually don't mind martinez but I think there is a huge gulf between mid table and the battle for top 4 let alone trying to win the league. Martinez has no experience in any of that. He has been a bottom of division manager for something like 3 seasons. He may prove me wrong but surely a club like Liverpool should be aiming higher.

We did aim higher and got knocked back by Klopp and De Boer.
We simply aren't that attractive an option for a manager, particularly given the lack of structure at the club and the financial might of the top 4.
Those are the uncomfortable facts.
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #1039 on: May 22, 2012, 09:00:50 AM »
Not being funny but what on earth did wigan achieve this season?

Well the heaviest defeat this season was only 5-0. Compared to 6-0 the season before and 8-0 and 9-1 the season before that.

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