Topic: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?

[kenworthy]

I am really not fussed who it is, in fact I doubt it will make any difference with the resources we have.

Yeah - what does this mean? That we have a crap load of resources and will buy Falcao, Hulk and Aguero this summer?

[plasterered]

that may be, but the risk with Martinez, is he is unproven at a big club, and all the pressures that go with it...

thats my worry with martinez, he has a nice style but the pressure cooker that is LFC and the weight of expectation plus intense scrutiny from press and other managers may see him way out of depth, Is he big enough and strong enough character wise to go toe to toe with slurgason and the sly machine, maybe he is too "nice"

[Dickie_Mint]

Remind me again, apart from avoiding the drop, what has martinez done that is so special?

[NOTBORNIN1982]

Remind me again, apart from avoiding the drop, what has martinez done that is so special?

She won wimbledon in 1994. Have a bit of respect.

[NealFrom25Yards]

What was said.

Dennis Galema (Spelling?) from De Telegraaf was on about De Boer. Mostly platitudes about him...talking up a new era at Ajax - then said that even if he was interested in the job, we'd need an overhaul to make us a De Boer style team and that he was told there simply wasn't the money being made available for that.

That if De Boer left Ajax, he'd end up with a comparable amount to work with in the transfer market as he would if he stayed, and Ajax aren't exactly extravagant.

[Outer Mongolian Red]

I am really not fussed who it is, in fact I doubt it will make any difference with the resources we have.

Same here.

[Twelfth Customer]

If we sign Martinez, I will be fucking livid

Why? Is he that bad? Take a look at our reality, the teams we are fighting for 4th against and FSG's financial resources. It may take quite a few seasons to arrest our decline and last year's disastrous foray in the transfer market. 

[plasterered]

Remind me again, apart from avoiding the drop, what has martinez done that is so special?

doesn't matter does it after all there is only 2, well 1 and a maybe but don't rush me managers interested and Roberto is the whole 1 of the 2

[hedger]

Why? Is he that bad? Take a look at our reality, the teams we are fighting for 4th against and FSG's financial resources. It may take quite a few seasons to arrest our decline and last year's disastrous foray in the transfer market.

Swapping Dalglish for Martinez? Seriously

[ahfolk79]

I can't help thinking if we end up with Martinez it'll be just like when Bruce Rioch went to Arsenal after getting his Bolton team to play pretty football. The Liverpool job is no place for a rookie. Seems blindingly obvious to everyone on here so you've got to wonder WTF FSG are doing.

[Garcepticon]

A high risk, high reward job.

If a manager comes here and is successful they awake a 'sleeping giant' with huge potential. On the other hand, we don't have a squad which matches our expectations, nor the expectations of the media.

[MolbyLovesGravy]

Swapping Dalglish for Martinez? Seriously

And seemingly arguing he should be given time to get to fourth, but that giving that to Dalglish was wrong.

[misawa98]

Dennis Galema (Spelling?) from De Telegraaf was on about De Boer. Mostly platitudes about him...talking up a new era at Ajax - then said that even if he was interested in the job, we'd need an overhaul to make us a De Boer style team and that he was told there simply wasn't the money being made available for that.

That if De Boer left Ajax, he'd end up with a comparable amount to work with in the transfer market as he would if he stayed, and Ajax aren't exactly extravagant.

Any new manager would kill to have the money we have spent in the last 18 months.  That outlay really should of produced better players.

[b_joseph]

The Liverpool job is no place for a rookie. Seems blindingly obvious to everyone on here so you've got to wonder WTF FSG are doing.

Depends on what we can do in the transfer window. Plenty of clubs have shown that you can use a Coach who is inexperienced but still have success because of the players at his disposal.
The problem is, none of us really no what budget we have for transfers this summer. So when we are debating who we'd like in a dream world and who is realistic in this world, we are all handcuffed.

[moving_unit]

I think Rossipersempre is RAWK's resident Laudrup advocate from previous discussions, though I can't find the post I was thinking of...

Royhendo did an article on Laudrup as possible manager in January 2011. http://www.level3football.com/royhendo/article/michael_laudrup_would_you_back_him_as_the_next_liverpool_manager

Cheers mate.

[Resurrected]

Dennis Galema (Spelling?) from De Telegraaf was on about De Boer. Mostly platitudes about him...talking up a new era at Ajax - then said that even if he was interested in the job, we'd need an overhaul to make us a De Boer style team and that he was told there simply wasn't the money being made available for that.

That if De Boer left Ajax, he'd end up with a comparable amount to work with in the transfer market as he would if he stayed, and Ajax aren't exactly extravagant.

I wonder what that is in english 

[hedger]

And seemingly arguing he should be given time to get to fourth, but that giving that to Dalglish was wrong.

Martinez seems a good likeable guy and by all accounts he is. The liverpool job, especially atm, would eat him up imo. Far too early in his career

[kenworthy]

Any new manager would kill to have the money we have spent in the last 18 months.  That outlay really should of produced better players.

If they gave that money to KD and he wasn't even their guy, how much will they give to say Martinez or Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas?

[stardorman]

And seemingly arguing he should be given time to get to fourth, but that giving that to Dalglish was wrong.

Exactly.. FSG have made their bed and they'll have to sleep in it.

[Resurrected]

If they gave that money to KD and he wasn't even their guy, how much will they give to say Martinez or Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas?

Dalglish or Commolli?

[redmark]

And seemingly arguing he should be given time to get to fourth, but that giving that to Dalglish was wrong.

I agree the wording of that from Ayre might be a problem come this time next year if Martinez/whoever gets 60-65 points and 5th or 6th place. I think FSG's reasoning was that they didn't see progress under Dalglish, and they should have left it at that.

[Dickie_Mint]

Exactly.. FSG have made their bed and they'll have to sleep in it.

MFI made beds and look what happened to them.

[Fruity]

Any new manager would kill to have the money we have spent in the last 18 months.  That outlay really should of produced better players.

what exactly was our net outlay though?

[Litmanen10]

Remind me again, apart from avoiding the drop, what has martinez done that is so special?

Well he is one of the very few coaches in the premier league basing his tactics on short passing and controlling possession. He also seems to have found balance on how to play attractive football and be reasonably effective - with a team doomed for relegation, spending least in the league and having to sell his best players year after year. Staying up for 3 years in a row under these circumstances, and with an attractive style of play, and nurturing new star players to be sold to bigger clubs, I think is a pretty good mark on his CV.

Maybe not special but pretty decent?

I personally think it's ridiculous how people here seem to slate him. I think there is no doubt in the year 2012 Martinez is a better coach than Kenny. I also hope he doesn't end up here, because he's a talented manager with a good career ahead of him, and I'm afraid some of our fans would give him the Hodgson treatment and make his life impossible here.

[misawa98]

If they gave that money to KD and he wasn't even their guy, how much will they give to say Martinez or Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas?

Well I think the owners are going to be a lot more reserved now.  The fact that such large fees were spent on just a few players and none of them have really set the place alight doesnt help.

what exactly was our net outlay though?

Probably not that much but the point is the money was still there to be spent and if were being honest it wasnt spent wisely.  I dont think that kind of money will come around again untill we see CL football or sell a major star like Suarez.

[bigbear]

A high risk, high reward job.

If a manager comes here and is successful they awake a 'sleeping giant' with huge potential. On the other hand, we don't have a squad which matches our expectations, nor the expectations of the media.

I don't think there is any risk whatsoever for a manager taking the Liverpool job.

The side came 8th this year and will do better next season. Whether Vilas Boas or Martinez or Ken Dodd took over next season I think we would come 5th and that can be described as progress and reputation enhancing.

If the side fails to build on that because of a lack of investment and reminds behind Man U, Man City, Chelsea and A.N.Other then will the manager have done so badly ?

If I was a manager on the up (Martinez) or I wanted to restore my reputation (Benitez or Vilas Boas) I think it is the perfect job. Kenny has laid down some good foundations, a few tweaks and the side will improve.

Does anybody believe we can get less than 30 points at home next season ?

[kenworthy]

Dalglish or Commolli?

Depending on who you listen to, Kenny had final say. But I guess what I am getting at, will they back their guy with a nice sum in the transfer market? The 100m is thrown around a lot. But our player outlay over the past two seasons has just been over 30m when you factor in the sales of Torres, Babel, Masch et al.

[plasterered]

Any new manager would kill to have the money we have spent in the last 18 months.  That outlay really should of produced better players.

what outlay in figures do you mean, its around £50 or £60 net aint it teams like Everton and Liverpool have to sell to buy, most managers do, it would be nice to ADD some quality to the squad the teams doing the balancing act like us are a plenty in the league so maybe we dont look such an attractive project after all

[masterbaker]

i honestly dont know what these owners are playing at. am i reading it right that they want a top manager who'll come in but wont have big money to change the side into their own vision and probably no say in transfers at all? no manager worth his salt is gonna buy into that vision anyway

[hedger]

Well he is one of the very few coaches in the premier league basing his tactics on short passing and controlling possession. He also seems to have found balance on how to play attractive football and be reasonably effective - with a team doomed for relegation, spending least in the league and having to sell his best players year after year. Staying up for 3 years in a row under these circumstances, and with an attractive style of play, and nurturing new star players to be sold to bigger clubs, I think is a pretty good mark on his CV.

Maybe not special but pretty decent?

I personally think it's ridiculous how people here seem to slate him. I think there is no doubt in the year 2012 Martinez is a better coach than Kenny. I also hope he doesn't end up here, because he's a talented manager with a good career ahead of him, and I'm afraid some of our fans would give him the Hodgson treatment and make his life impossible here.

Whether he is a better coach is irrelevant. Good coaches are a dime a dozen. We need a leader, a figurehead, a man who instantly commands respect and who can take on the heavy hitters of the EPL and win. If I think about it the only guy who fits that criteria is Rafa

[Resurrected]

i honestly dont know what these owners are playing at. am i reading it right that they want a top manager who'll come in but wont have big money to change the side into their own vision and probably no say in transfers at all? no manager worth his salt is gonna buy into that vision anyway

I'm glad some-one else gets it

[redoneusa]

If we are that ruthless someone would bankroll Maureen. Don't get me wrong I don't want him here but you get the idea.

Being ruthless is one thing, giving someone 30mil or so and saying get me in the Champions League is having a laugh.

[bigbear]

i honestly dont know what these owners are playing at. am i reading it right that they want a top manager who'll come in but wont have big money to change the side into their own vision and probably no say in transfers at all? no manager worth his salt is gonna buy into that vision anyway

They don't want a top manager. They want someone like Martinez who will be so grateful for the opportunity he will bend to their tune.

[Resurrected]

Whether he is a better coach is irrelevant. Good coaches are a dime a dozen. We need a leader, a figurehead, a man who instantly commands respect and who can take on the heavy hitters of the EPL and win. If I think about it the only guy who fits that criteria is Rafa

Absolutely. And if we were the one's doing the hiring then it'd be a no-brainer. But we're not........

[Fruity]

I don't think there is any risk whatsoever for a manager taking the Liverpool job.

The side came 8th this year and will do better next season. Whether Vilas Boas or Martinez or Ken Dodd took over next season I think we would come 5th and that can be described as progress and reputation enhancing.

If the side fails to build on that because of a lack of investment and reminds behind Man U, Man City, Chelsea and A.N.Other then will the manager have done so badly ?

If I was a manager on the up (Martinez) or I wanted to restore my reputation (Benitez or Vilas Boas) I think it is the perfect job. Kenny has laid down some good foundations, a few tweaks and the side will improve.

Does anybody believe we can get less than 30 points at home next season ?

whilst I agree this team should be doing better than 8th its not that straightforward. Hodgson had a team that was 6th the season before in a relegation place by xmas.  Our end of season form this season was almost relegation form. We can just as easily be worse off at this point in time next season. There seems to be real issues with mentality in this group of players and I think the new appointment could easily make things worse.

[misawa98]

Cant we just have a system like Barcelona.  I remember reading Pep basically gave the Sporting director a list of the players he wants and then the club tried to make it happen. Some may happen and some may not but it was still pep who made the decision.

[NigelManx]

I want to manage liverpool and would do it for 500 quid a week, should I phone Tom?   

It's not guesswork is it to assume Rafa would return, however if reports from almost every media source are to be believed he's got no chance of even an interview.

Thats fine...well actually its not but if they scew up and the appointment they make doesnt work out then I think I know whats going to happen..and if rafa
is available if that happens and he wants the job still then the world and his wife wont complain unlike now when the fan base is still divided..which is fine too .
Its the damage that will be done in the mean time that will be the biggest problem

[G8S7]

Cant we just have a system like Barcelona.  I remember reading Pep basically gave the Sporting director a list of the players he wants and then the club tried to make it happen. Some may happen and some may not but it was still pep who made the decision.

We had that with the king?

[Fruity]

Well I think the owners are going to be a lot more reserved now.  The fact that such large fees were spent on just a few players and none of them have really set the place alight doesnt help.
Probably not that much but the point is the money was still there to be spent and if were being honest it wasnt spent wisely.  I dont think that kind of money will come around again untill we see CL football or sell a major star like Suarez.

I certainly agree with how the money was spent. The big question is now though as we dont have any torres's to sell off how much of a budget will be in place for the new manager. I guess that in itself will make the job more or less attractive.

[jonnyrich]

Cant we just have a system like Barcelona.  I remember reading Pep basically gave the Sporting director a list of the players he wants and then the club tried to make it happen. Some may happen and some may not but it was still pep who made the decision.

Dalglish always done it that way. There is video footage of him saying it on his manager profile dvd from a few years back.