Topic: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?

[farawayred]

So basically we sacked King Kenny...... And had absolutely no idea who we want to replace him!!!! And all the press are loving the headlines.... SNUBBED!!!! SHUNNED!!!! Etc etc

This is being handled terribly

Calm down. Think about it. Wouldn't you be pissed off if FSG had someone in mind BEFORE sacking the King? I know I would.

What age are we living in? How long does it take to find a new wife after a divorce? It's been like 5 days since Kenny's sacking, no manager yet, shock and horror!

[peachybum]

Hopefully this sorry saga will come to an end soon and we can all move forward. I have the feeling though there will be a lot of disappointed people including myself. The key thing for me now is that we have a manager that has a proven track record, I would love to have rafa back but that feels unlikely. But I don't want to end up feeling we were better off keeping kenny and we are making the same mistakes as before.

Why? Plenty of top clubs employ coaches with poor or no track records.

[astowell1]

Sacking Kenny Dalglish and ignoring Rafa Benitez to hire Roberto Martinez certainly doesn't sound good.

It sounds fucking retarded...

[L666KOP]

Apparently Rafa would come back.

I want to manage liverpool and would do it for 500 quid a week, should I phone Tom?   

It's not guesswork is it to assume Rafa would return, however if reports from almost every media source are to be believed he's got no chance of even an interview.

[Adeemo]

Why? Plenty of top clubs employ coaches with poor or no track records.

But the one's that tend to do well, are at clubs that already have firm foundations and philosophies in place.

[Fruity]

Calm down. Think about it. Wouldn't you be pissed off if FSG had someone in mind BEFORE sacking the King? I know I would.

What age are we living in? How long does it take to find a new wife after a divorce? It's been like 5 days since Kenny's sacking, no manager yet, shock and horror!

The problem is though a lot of managers that are already in other jobs will be wary of coming forward for the job because they will fear a backlash from their own clubs supporters if they do not get it. I agree with what was said in TAW that calling upon a number of candidates has immediately alienated a lot of managers. Surely the club should have a clear indication of who it is they are looking for.

[AM76]

Bollocks.

Having an ownership group that's already shown a propensity to spend, one of the most decorated and storied clubs in Europe, and an excellent base of player talent to start with is untenable?

Complete nonsense.

To be fair, there's hardly a list of europes elite managers looking to come to us is there. De boer, Klopp, Rodgers (no laughing at the back), deschamps. Maybe it's time to face facts and realise that we aren't an elite club anymore who can click there fingers and take the pick of any top manager we want.

[kenworthy]

Calm down. Think about it. Wouldn't you be pissed off if FSG had someone in mind BEFORE sacking the King? I know I would.

What age are we living in? How long does it take to find a new wife after a divorce? It's been like 5 days since Kenny's sacking, no manager yet, shock and horror!

Agreed. People need to chill. The uproar would have been 10 times louder had we sacked Kenny and had someone waiting in the wings, offering to pack his bags for him. And yet we're still slamming the owners because "oh they don't have a plan, they don't know what they are doing..." They are putting a whole new structure in place. Like it or not that sure seems like a plan to me. And it takes time to find the right pieces for such.

I am also getting pretty pissed with all this "Oh I'm done", "Had enough of this crap", shite. We are Liverpool FC. Rally around your club. This is the time we need to make YNWA our cry. For heavens sake what would Kenny or Shanks want? Us moaning and predicting the demise of our club? If you have to ask then you never understood either man to begin with.

[hedger]

Calm down. Think about it. Wouldn't you be pissed off if FSG had someone in mind BEFORE sacking the King? I know I would.

What age are we living in? How long does it take to find a new wife after a divorce? It's been like 5 days since Kenny's sacking, no manager yet, shock and horror!

Ffs what a daft analogy. FSG knew kenny was a dead man walking since the suarez incident and when it was apparent we werent getting 4th. They gave him til the end of the season (due to the FA cup final) to avoid a fan revolt. So, they should have had the best candidate sounded out and lined up. This has been a shambles with a new manager snubbing us everyday. Except of course martinez and Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas who will more than likely get it, mores the pity

[Fruity]

Why? Plenty of top clubs employ coaches with poor or no track records.

Because its a bigger risk and why not just keep kenny instead. We did exactly the same two years ago. Are we going to continue making the same mistakes.

[rafathegaffa83]

So basically we sacked King Kenny...... And had absolutely no idea who we want to replace him!!!! And all the press are loving the headlines.... SNUBBED!!!! SHUNNED!!!! Etc etc

This is being handled terribly

Nobody is necessarily snubbing us. Some of those who are declining interest like DeBoer have said there has been no approach and it's a pre-emptive measure to say they are not interested. Others like Rodgers would be putting themselves in a predicament of alienating their fanbase for a job they might not have a realistic shot of getting. I think it's likely that the board do know who they want and may have already talked to that person, but can't be going around saying they have a) talked and interviewed people while Kenny was in charge b) can't be seen to have a myopic interview process like we had under Hodgson in which only one candidate is looked at c) can't be making it look like we aren't even going to bother looking for candidates in the upper echelon (Guardiola, Klopp etc.) and d) don't want to say person X is their lead candidate which puts them in a terrible bargaining position and in an even greater public relations mess if their publicly referenced top candidate changes his mind or turns them down in negotiations

[Resurrected]

This is the boards last opportuninty to disprove your theory.
We are fast becoming a 'poor mans' Chelsea.

Whoever takes the job is, initially, going to face some form of resentment from a large number of fans, following the way Kenny left us. This will only get worse if performances and results don't go our way. He's also got to win over established players who are likely to get difficult if they don't agree with tactics, etc..

We then have FSG who he may feel will dispense with his services if he hasn't hit the top 4 in his first 2 years. This, amidst rumours that they are looking to cut back and reduce spending. What amount they will spend must go on potential, rather than the finished article. Kinda makes you think that if Chelsea can't make the top 4 with a bunch of expensive, highly paid world stars, then how can we do it with potential.

Then we have the fact that the new manager won't even be the master of his own destiny. New players will be purchased by a yet unknown Director of Football. If the team fails, then it becomes a matter of who carries the most weight rather than one of accountability. Will it be because the players we may sign aren't up to it or will it be a case of poor coaching and tactics. We've tried partnerships before in Roy Evans and Houllier; that didn't work. We also tried with Kenny and Commolli; that didn't work either. So our chosen way forward has only a history of failure.

So considering all of this, if you were a well respected manager, making your own decisions at your present club, would you leave to become manager of Liverpool? I wouldn't, and it seems that a number of candidates feel the same way, hence the reason that they've turned us down.

Like i said, the position is completely untenable.

[hedger]

I want to manage liverpool and would do it for 500 quid a week, should I phone Tom?   

It's not guesswork is it to assume Rafa would return, however if reports from almost every media source are to be believed he's got no chance of even an interview.

But why not is what a large section of fans are asking

[cyador]

Because its a bigger risk and why not just keep kenny instead. We did exactly the same two years ago. Are we going to continue making the same mistakes.

Because like it or not kenny was doing a pretty poor job and the owners probably didn't trust him to spend more money either.

[farawayred]

Ffs what a daft analogy. FSG knew kenny was a dead man walking since the suarez incident and when it was apparent we werent getting 4th. They gave him til the end of the season (due to the FA cup final) to avoid a fan revolt. So, they should have had the best candidate sounded out and lined up. This has been a shambles with a new manager snubbing us everyday. Except of course martinez and Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas who will more than likely get it, mores the pity

And if they knew that Kenny is a dead man walking, you presume that they haven't thought of a replacement because we don't know about it? They didn't tell Kenny until there was something to play for - the FA Cup - and that was the right thing to do. And they can't approach anyone else while Kenny is in the job, which IMHO is the proper way to act. And this happens to be almost at the last game of the season. A season in which Martinez was fighting a relegation battle, and if he was one of the FSG top candidates, you wouldn't want his club to be against the approach, would you? It would cost more if they approached Martinez even a game before, and we could have even be blamed for their relegation because "the manager lost focus". 

[redmark]

To be fair, there's hardly a list of europes elite managers looking to come to us is there. De boer, Klopp, Rodgers (no laughing at the back), deschamps. Maybe it's time to face facts and realise that we aren't an elite club anymore who can click there fingers and take the pick of any top manager we want.

Has Deschamps ruled himself out yet? Not seen that one.

Villas Boas, Deschamps, Laudrup. And Martinez. Not a bad shortlist, is it, of managers still apparently interested/realistic?

[Adeemo]

Has Deschamps ruled himself out yet? Not seen that one.

Apparently.

[Resurrected]

But why not is what a large section of fans are asking

I don't believe for one minute that FSG sacked Kenny because we didn't finish fourth. I think they sacked him because he didn't fit the age and profile that they required. It's my believe that Rafa doesn't fit that criteria either.

[Hyypia headers]

Agreed. People need to chill. The uproar would have been 10 times louder had we sacked Kenny and had someone waiting in the wings, offering to pack his bags for him. And yet we're still slamming the owners because "oh they don't have a plan, they don't know what they are doing..." They are putting a whole new structure in place. Like it or not that sure seems like a plan to me. And it takes time to find the right pieces for such.

Agreed. I'm also very much in favour of building the new structure, given the fact that the one we had for the past 20 years had its moments but never really kept going. Our set up doesn't work and atleast FSG see this and are working to improve this.

I'll judge them in 12months. See where we are at that stage.

[AM76]

Has Deschamps ruled himself out yet? Not seen that one.

Villas Boas, Deschamps, Laudrup. And Martinez. Not a bad shortlist, is it, of managers still apparently interested/realistic?

Yeah think he said last week he had no interest in the job. Wouldn't want him anyway. Finished lower in the league than us so hardly a ringing endorsement straight away

[Shabby]

But the one's that tend to do well, are at clubs that already have firm foundations and philosophies in place.

Exactly. Been saying the same thing. We need to establish our philosophy and structure before we take risks on unproven coaches.

[redmark]

Apparently.

Just googled it -

"It is expected that I will be there [Marseille] next season," he told French reporters. "When it goes badly, there is need to recharge. I will leave on vacation but it is expected that I be there for July 2."

"It is expected"? I don't think that's a ruling out, certainly not on the level De Boer's was.

[Romford_Red]

You know what, forget all of this. Let's just get all the applicants and do the interviews on Dragons Den.

[Stretch Armstrong]

Can we all agree that nobody as a clue who is being interviewed or whos the front runner

[RedSoc]

Oh my word. Remember the shit storm abotu Klinsmann and Rafa?
If people got wind of them sizing up other managers while Kenny was still herre, there would be hell to pay.
Also, how is it the owners fault if managers are turning them down and deciding to do so in public? How is this their fault?

So much baseless trumpeting going on here.
On Saturday I was in the pub, chatting to a mate who follows Southend United. I said to him that I'm getting sick of the PL, because people are never happy and they think they know everything and there's no patience or loyalty.
Well done for backing me up there.

Who's being disloyal or impatient? Certainly not me mate.

I'd happily have Dalglish back at the club now for some stability and to provide a foundation for the club to build on. FSG are the one's being impatient by showing a total lack of commitment to the investments they made no less than 12 months ago.
Yes we have had an immeasurably poor showing in the league. But if anyone could weather that for our club is was King Kenny.

Chopping and changing every year or so is precisely what we didn't need at this exact moment. Solidarity and togetherness would have been my choice, not pulling apart the club from top to bottom. If that indeed needed doing, they should NOT have invested such large amounts of money on players.

[Resurrected]

But the one's that tend to do well, are at clubs that already have firm foundations and philosophies in place.

You mean like the ones that won the PL title and the Champions league?

[kenworthy]

I bet a lot of these managers would take the job if it were offered outright with a nice increase in their current salary. But that's not the way we are doing business. We are casting a wide net and conducting interviews. I am not advocating either plan of attack. But I think this might be what we're seeing take place.

[hedger]

And if they knew that Kenny is a dead man walking, you presume that they haven't thought of a replacement because we don't know about it? They didn't tell Kenny until there was something to play for - the FA Cup - and that was the right thing to do. And they can't approach anyone else while Kenny is in the job, which IMHO is the proper way to act. And this happens to be almost at the last game of the season. A season in which Martinez was fighting a relegation battle, and if he was one of the FSG top candidates, you wouldn't want his club to be against the approach, would you? It would cost more if they approached Martinez even a game before, and we could have even be blamed for their relegation because "the manager lost focus".

If they have thought about the ideal replacement why are all and sundry being contacted?
And the absurdity of the situation is in your post....waiting after the fa cup final to get shot of kenny to get speaking to the relegation saving martinez

[L666KOP]

But why not is what a large section of fans are asking

TAW provides the answers to this one I believe, they see him as a 'dictator'. We see him as the easiest way back to where we where, we'd all have liked him to have the access to the 100million pounds that KD/DC frittered away.
He's our hero, he saved our club, he won us the champions league, he gave us Alonso, Torres, Masch etc etc and did it all in 6 years.

He garnered more and more power as his tenure wore on, he likes to be involved, he likes to keep his eye on things, to be our Guardian on the inside as it were, and I think this terrifies FSG.

[Hazell]

You know what, forget all of this. Let's just get all the applicants and do the interviews on Dragons Den.

Might be something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8qsqh885DM

[RedPross]

Has Deschamps ruled himself out yet? Not seen that one.

Villas Boas, Deschamps, Laudrup. And Martinez. Not a bad shortlist, is it, of managers still apparently interested/realistic?

Yes Deschamps has ruled himself out and Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas is considering whether he would take it

[geoffstrong]

I don't believe for one minute that FSG sacked Kenny because we didn't finish fourth. I think they sacked him because he didn't fit the age and profile that they required. It's my believe that Rafa doesn't fit that criteria either.

this is my take on it as well, they want a manager with less power, so a young coach would be the target surely,

someone like Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas might fancy it to prove something to himself and his critics, Martinez would fancy it because it is a big club looks good on the CV,

[hedger]

You mean like the ones that won the PL title and the Champions league?

He forgot to add OR the ones with squillionaire owners

[redmark]

Yes Deschamps has ruled himself out and Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas is considering whether he would take it

Only quote I've seen from Deschamps, above (and I'm not particularly advocating him) is well short of "ruling himself out".

[kenworthy]

Paul Dalglish ‏@pauldalglish
I believe the outstanding candidate is Rafa if you look at the big picture. A bad spell @ Inter should not affect his work at LFC & Valencia

[Adeemo]

You mean like the ones that won the PL title and the Champions league?

As far as I'm aware, City have been very professionally run since being taken over and have an extremely good set up in place. And as for Chelsea winning the Champions League, I really wouldn't pay much attention to Di Matteo's part in that, he got very, very lucky and I hope they give him the job permanently.

[moving_unit]

I have not heard much about Laudrup and his achievements. Only things i had been aware of is his time in Spain which from what i can recall wasn't the best. People seem happy him being on the shortlist.

Could anyone please fill me in what he could bring to the club if given the chance?

[Stretch Armstrong]

I don't believe for one minute that FSG sacked Kenny because we didn't finish fourth. I think they sacked him because he didn't fit the age and profile that they required. It's my believe that Rafa doesn't fit that criteria either.

Eh? Don't think the young English criteria applies to the manager?

We are after a football manager not a young hottie aren't we - if Natalie Portman gets the job I will be furious, she's not even got her UEFA coaching badges

[Adeemo]

Paul Dalglish ‏@pauldalglish
I believe the outstanding candidate is Rafa if you look at the big picture. A bad spell @ Inter should not affect his work at LFC & Valencia

He would not have posted that without his father's backing.

[farawayred]

If they have thought about the ideal replacement why are all and sundry being contacted?
And the absurdity of the situation is in your post....waiting after the fa cup final to get shot of kenny to get speaking to the relegation saving martinez

What I explained is logic, but you can talk logic to logical people. You counter with digs and handbags and no logic. Think what you will.