Topic: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?

[mercurial]

Like I said, what if nobody who has won stuff is available or wants the job, what then ?
Its never as simple as that, again in my opinion.

Given that Klopp, Rodgers and De Boer does not want it, it is quite conceivable there is probably something wrong. It is highly unlikely that FSG want Rafa. Lets see how things work out but I think we will see a bunch of excuses come August. Then a bunch of snide remarks to suggest that the squad was not good and Dalglish to blame.

[incredibleL4ever]

To some extent having the recruitment process drag out a bit seems to be leading people (fans) to calm down.   The expectation levels are lowering and there is a growing acceptance that we may take a chance on a younger unproven manager.

[robygerrard]

this whole rafa debacle reminds me of the film Gladiator. You have FSG who are like Commodus (the new Caesar) and Rafa who is our maximus. Thrown out of the club and left in the wilderness where he has become a wild beast.

The baying mob of rome (some of us fans) are cheering for maximus' return and finally when Maximus (Rafa) and commodus (FSG) meet, commodus will say "What am I going to do with you, you simply won't...die"

And then Maximus will pull out his two figurines (not his son and wife) but in this case it is his European cup and FA cup which is all he has to remember us by and put them on the table and slay commodus and we will all cheer and rejoice.

That sort of how I see it anyway.

Me too.

[Zimagic]

Really interesting read.

Making Sense of Martinez et al

The manager, or head coach, as would be a more accurate description of Dalglish’s as yet unnamed successor, will be allowed, or instructed, to focus on football. Taking training, talking tactics and issuing instructions from the touchline. That will be the brief.

Recruitment will be largely handled by one of FSG’s upstairs appointments, someone in the mould of Txiki Begiristain, who has been very closely linked with the vacant DoF’s role. The manager will not be excluded from discussions – according to Ayre he will “just go to the final interview” – but he certainly wont have as much say as some of the managers of old, or some of those which Liverpool fans would like to see next, would have demanded.

This is very strange. You don't tell a coach that they are getting player X, you can't, a team doesn't work like that. A manager giving a list to work from and then attending late stage negotiations would be a possibility but this is not what's mentioned here.

You're a "coach" in this mode, you concentrate on football (Taking training, talking tactics and issuing instructions from the touchline) but you don't get to choose the tools you implement these tactics with? Hum.

How many managers coming in are going to accept that restriction, i.e.: "here's some players, train them!"? Honestly that would (and should) be a sticking point for any prospective manager.

[fatlip13]

About as much as anyone else.

but you quote as if it is fact instead of opinion. we don't know what is going on, who they are talking too, what the criteria is etc..

we criticise for things being in the media and also for not knowing what's going on. FSG can't win

can we wait see who they appoint and why

[Surprise me.]

who's gonna build our stadium?

Nobody. That's a long way away. They won't invest in a giant project like that without seeing us in the CL or getting any big revenue stream. A revenue stream that is constant and doesn't just happen that one year. They have to see value in the club to invest big time. If they don't see it they will sell the club.

[Shauno]

this whole rafa debacle reminds me of the film Gladiator. You have FSG who are like Commodus (the new Caesar) and Rafa who is our maximus. Thrown out of the club and left in the wilderness where he has become a wild beast.

The baying mob of rome (some of us fans) are cheering for maximus' return and finally when Maximus (Rafa) and commodus (FSG) meet, commodus will say "What am I going to do with you, you simply won't...die"

And then Maximus will pull out his two figurines (not his son and wife) but in this case it is his European cup and FA cup which is all he has to remember us by and put them on the table and slay commodus and we will all cheer and rejoice.

That sort of how I see it anyway.

That's all fine and dandy, but fails miserably mate. In the first instance, for example, FSG didn't sack Rafa. Plus, not all are "shouting" for Benitez's return.

[CRAZY HORSE EMLYN]

Nobody. That's a long way away. They won't invest in a giant project like that without seeing us in the CL or getting any big revenue stream. A revenue stream that is constant and doesn't just happen that one year. They have to see value in the club to invest big time. If they don't see it they will sell the club.

Air China according to some on Twitter. Not sure about your argument – a bit chicken and egg the revenue thing isn't it?

[Suarez 7]

IMO we should just offer the job to De Boer.

He has turned down the approach of an interview. Why the hell would he risk Ajax credibility with the fans by taking an interview?

Offer him the job outright, and I reckon he might take it.

[petrichor]

That's all fine and dandy, but fails miserably mate. In the first instance, for example, FSG didn't sack Rafa. Plus, not all are "shouting" for Benitez's return.

white liquid in a bottle

[Aido LFC]

IMO we should just offer the job to De Boer.

He has turned down the approach of an interview. Why the hell would he risk Ajax credibility with the fans by taking an interview?

Offer him the job outright, and I reckon he might take it.

He wants to stay at Ajax.

"In Amsterdam we are on a new path and, along with the club and Wim Jonk and Dennis Bergkamp, my colleagues in the technical heart, I want to bring good things.

"That's why I will stay loyal to Ajax in the coming years."

[fatlip13]

Air China according to some on Twitter. Not sure about your argument – a bit chicken and egg the revenue thing isn't it?

if the stadium adds to money streams, true
if the sponsorship pays for a large %, possible/likely
the value of the club rises, absolutely true

only if they don't feel they can fill the stadium would they not build it,imo

[Bjinxi]

IMO we should just offer the job to De Boer.

He has turned down the approach of an interview. Why the hell would he risk Ajax credibility with the fans by taking an interview?

Offer him the job outright, and I reckon he might take it.

He is building something at Ajax and their academy is one of the best in europe. Dont know why he would swap positions.

[Wingman]

To some extent having the recruitment process drag out a bit seems to be leading people (fans) to calm down.   The expectation levels are lowering and there is a growing acceptance that we may take a chance on a younger unproven manager.

Or maybe we and the interviewees couldn't get it all done in 5 days!?

[Wingman]

Lets see how things work out but I think we will see a bunch of excuses come August. Then a bunch of snide remarks to suggest that the squad was not good and Dalglish to blame.

Let's see how things work out

[carra1892]

IMO we should just offer the job to De Boer.

He has turned down the approach of an interview. Why the hell would he risk Ajax credibility with the fans by taking an interview?

Offer him the job outright, and I reckon he might take it.

Definitely the wrong choice. Vision wise a great choice. But you want more than just vision. He has little experience. He was ther with the good world cup run together with van Marwijk. Also, for the second season Ajax finished first. But he is really not tested at all. He needs way more experience, preferably at a bigger club, to be considered imo.

[Dave D]

I haven't listened to TAW yet, buy going by a few quotes they really are against Rafa coming back.

How could hardline capitalists be so against one man they've never met? I guess it all depends who they've been listening to. A proud BNP member and racist, two snakes in Purslow and Ayre, a thatcherite in Broughton and the North-West mafia and media led by ferguson, the list goes on.

Shankly never would have stood a chance. A trouble maker and a socialist.

Out goes our ideology and foundations of the club. In comes some moneyball/soccernomics/baseball hybrid. Buy low, sell high. All hail the mighty dollar.

[TLW 84]

I haven't listened to TAW yet, buy going by a few quotes they really are against Rafa coming back.

How could hardline capitalists be so against one man they've never met? I guess it all depends who they've been listening to. A proud BNP member and racist, two snakes in Purslow and Ayre, a thatcherite in Broughton and the North-West mafia and media led by ferguson, the list goes on.

Shankly never would have stood a chance. A trouble maker and a socialist.

Out goes our ideology and foundations of the club. In comes some moneyball/soccernomics/baseball hybrid. Buy low, sell high. All hail the mighty dollar.

It's great that we're going back to our roots, don't you think. You know, the Tory days of John Houlding...

[kenworthy]

I haven't listened to TAW yet, buy going by a few quotes they really are against Rafa coming back.

How could hardline capitalists be so against one man they've never met? I guess it all depends who they've been listening to. A proud BNP member and racist, two snakes in Purslow and Ayre, a thatcherite in Broughton and the North-West mafia and media led by ferguson, the list goes on.

Shankly never would have stood a chance. A trouble maker and a socialist.

Out goes our ideology and foundations of the club. In comes some moneyball/soccernomics/baseball hybrid. Buy low, sell high. All hail the mighty dollar.

Henry et al didn't invent moneyball. And while they like the idea and tried to hire Billy Beane it didn't really work out. Please note that the Red Sox have the third-highest roster salary in all of baseball behind just the NY Yankees and the Philadelphia Phillies. And they have handed out some of the biggest player contracts in MLB history over the past two seasons. What you are claiming above is a myth being perpetuated for nothing else but the downfall of our club. So put the hysterical banners away, stop foreshadowing the demise of FSG and our yet-to-be-named manager, and rally around your club. We are going through massive change at the moment. But at the end of the day we are Liverpool Football Club and Shanks would want our rallying cry to be YNWA.

[Fruity]

That's all fine and dandy, but fails miserably mate. In the first instance, for example, FSG didn't sack Rafa. Plus, not all are "shouting" for Benitez's return.

well you could also argue that FSG did not also rape his wife and then crucify her and their only son but I guess its swings and roundabouts really.

[Surprise me.]

Air China according to some on Twitter. Not sure about your argument – a bit chicken and egg the revenue thing isn't it?

Possibly to us but to them they simply want to see the revenue first. They are doing their bit in giving us money and getting us that kit deal for example (Even though I suspect that £20million has a few clauses in it for Warrior). The stadium would be a huge investment though. If they don't see us doing well first then it would take a lot longer for them to see a return.

[lfc_col]

Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?

Because where a sleeping giant 

[Adeemo]

Because where a sleeping giant 

I give up, where?

[Suarez 7]

Mike Jefferies ‏@mikejefferiesL4

OK folks, so my swing-o-meter has just moved back to 50/50 between Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas & Martinez. Both being interviewed in Boston today/tomorrow #endgame

[lfc_col]

I give up, where?

Why do you give up exactly

[Dubai_Red]

I find it staggering that clubs dismiss their manager without a definite idea of who will be the replacement.  Wolves did it, Chelsea did it, Villa did it and us too.  Would you sell your house without any idea of where you are going to live?

Could you imagine the shit storm if they were caught approaching another manager whilst KD was still incharge?

[schmev]

Mike Jefferies ‏@mikejefferiesL4

OK folks, so my swing-o-meter has just moved back to 50/50 between Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas & Martinez. Both being interviewed in Boston today/tomorrow #endgame

Interesting.  Please let it be Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas.  Surely he has learned some things from his Chelsea time.  We actually have the defenders to play a high line, unlike that should be retired oaf John Terry.

[Bob Loblaw]

To some extent having the recruitment process drag out a bit seems to be leading people (fans) to calm down. 

How many days has it been? Only feels dragged out because of the 24hour rolling coverage we have of these things now due to twitter.

[Adeemo]

Mike Jefferies ‏@mikejefferiesL4

What's he usually like?

[boo76]

My brother booked us on the stadium tour for my Birthday back in April, we are going in June, I hope we have a manager by then?

[TheFooFighter]

What's he usually like?

He was the guy that done the "Dear Mr Hicks" Videos isnt he?

[kenworthy]

My brother booked us on the stadium tour for my Birthday back in April, we are going in June, I hope we have a manager by then?

Part of the new PR push is to actually have the manager do the tours. So if you're lucky... 

[shelovesyou]

Paul O'Brien ‏@PaulOby1
@Robolfc77 @pauldalglish just bumped into him in West Kirkby and he said he wants to come back but it's up the club??

[lfc_col]

isn't he the guy who did that goal film

[shelovesyou]

isn't he the guy who did that goal film

Yep, he's a bit of a loon on Twitter, im sure he's a sound bloke like but a tad aggresive at times.
Pinch of salt mate.

[decosabute]

Henry et al didn't invent moneyball. And while they like the idea and tried to hire Billy Beane it didn't really work out. Please note that the Red Sox have the third-highest roster salary in all of baseball behind just the NY Yankees and the Philadelphia Phillies. And they have handed out some of the biggest player contracts in MLB history over the past two seasons. What you are claiming above is a myth being perpetuated for nothing else but the downfall of our club. So put the hysterical banners away, stop foreshadowing the demise of FSG and our yet-to-be-named manager, and rally around your club. We are going through massive change at the moment. But at the end of the day we are Liverpool Football Club and Shanks would want our rallying cry to be YNWA.

Thank you. Knowledge and sense. There's so much doom-mongering and needless slating of our ownership who genuinely haven't done anything unreasonable yet. Of course they want to make money. Who the f**k wouldn't? But they love winning too, and rightly see a successful team as the best way to have a successful business.

[USC19Babel]

Mike Jefferies ‏@mikejefferiesL4

OK folks, so my swing-o-meter has just moved back to 50/50 between Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas & Martinez. Both being interviewed in Boston today/tomorrow #endgame

Is this guy credible?

[L666KOP]

Paul O'Brien ‏@PaulOby1
@Robolfc77 @pauldalglish just bumped into him in West Kirkby and he said he wants to come back but it's up the club??

Hopefully Roberto and Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas both get tongue tied and balls up their interviews than, Henry turns to Werner and says "Fuck it Tom, phone Rafa."

[Trada]

Is this guy credible?

He also put a picture up of himself with Rafa

[hugoboss]

Where is this from?

KopSource