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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #80 on: May 19, 2012, 03:33:24 PM »
What makes a top manager a top manager?  Surely his record of achievements is the result of those qualities, not the cause of them.  Are we better served finding a manager who has already achieved great things elsewhere and is sure he knows how to go about it, even if that is not feasible at Liverpool?  Or are we better off understanding what makes a top manager and finding the right man with those qualities and backing him to the hilt?

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #81 on: May 19, 2012, 04:19:22 PM »
Honestly, there are not a lot of reasons at this very moment. Firstly, due to the fact that there aren't many top managers around the world, and whoever they are, they already are in a top top club. So the quantity is very few and the competition to get them huge.

And a top manager would either want to go a top club or one which is aspiring to be. Although we definately belong to the latter part atm, but we have an additional problem which is us, the fans. Now after Kenny, whoever comes will automatically be deemed worse and less trustful. I have already seen some fans just wishing for the next manager to fail. Clearly, going to be a hard time for a top manager to come NOW. The keyword once again is NOW.

As you were one of those fans baying for Kenny's blood most of the season do you put yourself in this category?
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #82 on: May 19, 2012, 04:44:50 PM »
I can't imagine a project with a higher possible payoff for a manager than LFC. Basically few people expect you to succeed. As long as you are a decent man, and stay out of major snafus (unlike Hodgson and Souness) you'll get respect from most (by no means all, though) fans. If you do in fact succeed, you'll be idolized at a level that is unheard of most other places - look at how highly Rafa is though of by LFC fans (again, a minority aside).

Besides that, if you're a football buff what could be more exciting than taking Liverpool back where we belong? Remember these are confident types - they most likely believe that they will do so. The Liverpool job is a chance to inscribe your name in the history of football in a way that is second to none.

Lastly, we are not in that bad of a position. Two years ago, the OP's question was much more pressing than now. A new manager does have resources at his disposal, plus a young, talented squad and a recently revamped - and by all accounts promising - youth structure.

Of course, it will always be difficult to lure managers away from top jobs. Take Klopp, for example: I don't think he'd have left Dortmund for anyone this summer, bar none. The 'normal' way of hiring for a European top club is to gun for people at clubs just below the top - high-to-mid table clubs from the big leagues, top clubs from semi-big leagues like Portugal, France and Holland. These types are at least on our shortlist as reported (e.g. De Boer, Deschamps).

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #83 on: May 19, 2012, 05:38:15 PM »
Why?

From the superb MC Barnes..

MY EYES HAVE SEEN THE GLORY.

An army amassed just like centuries before,
In a city made famous by sieges of yore,
Where Constantinople and Byzantium once stood,
A new army now did descend like a flood.

An army of thousands in livery of red,
Liverbirds on their chests and a dream in their heads,
With smiles on their faces and songs in their hearts,
Of hope a new era was waiting to start.

Stood on the North Tribune I looked all around,
A sea of red swamping 3 sides of the ground,
Flags, scarves and banners that covered the crowd,
A show of red strength to make Chairman Mao proud. *

I surveyed the scene in awe and in bliss,
How could we fail on a stage such as this?
I reckoned without an AC Milan team,
With the class to make nightmares out of our dreams.

And so it transpired in a half straight from hell,
A Maldini sucker punch straight from the bell
With 2 blows from Crespo 5 minutes apart,
Milan drove a dagger through Liverpool’s heart,

We staggered and reached the refuge of half time,
Our worst fears were realised, 3-0 behind,
Ashen-faced Reds with their heads in their hands,
Slumped in despair on the steps of the stand.

An anger rose in me, but not with the team,
Where was the 12th man? Was Chelsea a dream?
We had to show pride, try to lift them somehow,
We’d come much too far to give up on them now.

Somebody somewhere had shared the same thought,
My faith was restored in our famous support.
YNWA grew in strength, as did I,
And I sang.. as if it was for the last time.

Looking back now I can’t honestly say,
That as I sang, I thought we would find a way
To come back, but I wanted the whole world to see,
We still had pride, we were still Liverpool FC.

That chorus will live on in legend and lore,
Cruyff said he had heard nothing like it before,
Maradona said it made him convert to a Red,
Luis said it spurred them to rise from the dead.

Then came the reverse of our first half ordeal,
6 minutes of mayhem that didn’t seem real
6 glorious minutes that none will forget,
When Stevie and Xabi and Vlad found the net.

Milan came again but at each turn were foiled,
Once more a siege played out on Istanbul soil,
As the seconds ticked down, the Redmen stood tall,
Though their muscles screamed ‘stop’ they ploughed on through it all.

Then came the moment God’s will became known,
The ball fell to Shevchenko with Dudek left prone,
With the goal at his mercy, our Pole somehow saved,
Someone from above must have smiled on the brave.

It was then that it suddenly all became clear,
Milan realised that this wasn’t their year,
Alongside the Reds stood an ally too great,
There was no resisting the power of fate.

So when the game entered it’s final test then,
They bore the demeanour of half-beaten men,
Defeat after so much no player deserved,
But while Milan’s men wilted the Red’s kept their nerve.

And when Andrei’s nemesis foiled him once more,
The night air was pierced by a deafening roar,
Destiny fulfilled all that was prophesised,
And I hugged all around me with tears in my eyes

The Redmen all met us, celebrations they led,
Carra The Lionheart, Gerrard The Red,
Sami The Mighty, the sturdy Hamann,
Dudek and all, heroes to a man.

And Rafa, our Moses, by his guiding hand,
He led us all back here to this Promised Land,
When the road became hard no excuse did he use,
And when all seemed lost here his genius shone through.

Emotion flowed down from the stands like a shower,
As we watched Stevie lift that old trophy of ours,
You’ll Never Walk Alone once again we did sing,
As we all heralded the return of the Kings.

Now on the bus back to Taksim I went,
My voice was in tatters, all energy spent,
Utterly drained but smiling ear to ear,
I thought back to the road that had led me to here.

As a boy I had watched all the legends parade,
As they conquered all Europe and history was made,
As the years passed, now no longer watching a screen,
I thought I’d never see what my elders had seen.

I wondered if my eyes would yet see the glory,
And whether in years to come I could tell stories,
Of great Anfield nights and of crusades abroad,
When the Mighty Reds put Europe’s best to the sword.

2004 then turned into 05,
And finally all of my hopes came to life,
It seemed fate was there with us right from the start,
It happened as if it was written in the stars.

I watched from the Kop on that December night,
The pivotal moment when dark turned to light,
4 minutes from failure, then hope was restored,
We all dared to dream, when Stevie G scored.

Echoes of the past rang as clear as a bell,
The late Kop end goal , the same scoreline as well,
My generation loved tales about way back when,
But we now had our very own St Etienne.

I was there against Juve when ghosts of the past,
20 years in the waiting confronted at last,
The Kop spelled out friendship in red and in white,
And in silence we remembered the fallen that night.

The whistle it blew and the silence gave way,
To a whirlwind of noise that blew Juve away,
I saw a red tide almost swallow them whole,
And I saw Luis Garcia’s 30 yard goal.

I saw Chelsea get their come-uppence at last,
On a night at Anfield that might not be surpassed,
The primeval force of The Kop in full cry,
For 96 minutes the noise wouldn’t die.

96 minutes for 96 souls,
They surely were watching the drama unfold,
For something divine intervened on our side,
‘Cos I can’t explain how Gudjohnsen shot wide.

The Kop danced long after the players had gone,
The glory of years passed remembered in song,
And when we were thrown out we danced on outside,
Around Shankly’s statue long into the night.

And now I had witnessed a moment so rare,
It’s drama and splendour were beyond compare,
A moment in Sport we may not see again,
A moment I’d waited so long to attain.

Istanbul was for one night, Heaven on Earth,
So special you can’t put a price on it’s worth,
I give thanks I was one of the privileged few,
I was there and I saw all of our dreams come true.

A banner I’d seen and there saw it again,
“My Eyes Have Seen The Glory” it proudly proclaimed,
Four symbolic stars were emblazoned thereon,
I could now say “me too” when the 5th one was won.

I’ve seen the Kop’s legacy upheld and enhanced,
And seen us win when no one gave us a chance,
I’ve seen us rise up and be crowned Europe’s best,
If it’s the last match I see I’d still think myself blessed.

Maybe they should read that before the interview.

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #84 on: May 19, 2012, 09:41:40 PM »
Because they love the club, love the fans, love the tradition and history.
Because they need to finish what they started, building an academy of future world beaters.
Because his family have been adopted by the people and he lives across the water.
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #85 on: May 19, 2012, 10:06:34 PM »
As you were one of those fans baying for Kenny's blood most of the season do you put yourself in this category?

He bays for most managers in all honesty. 
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #86 on: May 19, 2012, 10:10:53 PM »
Getting this fallen giant back on its feet and kicking it up the arse to win things again would be a monumental achievement. There are few mountains left to scale in global football, and this is one of them.
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #87 on: May 19, 2012, 10:18:08 PM »
It's like climbing Everest, you do it because it's there!!

yes but half way up you find the owners have cut your rope! ;)
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #88 on: May 19, 2012, 10:19:42 PM »
yes but half way up you find the owners have cut your rope! ;)

Really we just need a manager with a helicopter and we'll be at the top in no time.
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #89 on: May 19, 2012, 10:20:52 PM »
Do we need so many whimsical threads on roughly the same subject?
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #90 on: May 19, 2012, 10:22:10 PM »
yup,being the manager that wakes up liverpool would be massive.

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #91 on: May 19, 2012, 10:43:25 PM »
Actually today's match, got me thinking that a top manager will come to a club only if it is able to attract top players.

Unfortunately, I really believe that is not the case atm. We have already lost out to our 1st choice targets in the past, and actually I could even go on to say that majority of our signings last year were 2nd or 3rd choice. That was last season, this season we are arguably in worse situation. Carling Cup will not attract top players. Top players such as Torres left the club to win more trophies and today it seems like he was very correct.

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #92 on: May 19, 2012, 10:52:28 PM »
That was last season, this season we are arguably in worse situation.

In Europe (not out of it). And with one more trophy in the cabinet. Why is that less appealing than last year?
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #93 on: May 19, 2012, 10:54:09 PM »
In Europe (not out of it). And with one more trophy in the cabinet. Why is that less appealing than last year?
I said arguably. So it is debatable. My side is we lost a bit of reputation particular with the poor league finish + Suarez incident. And Europa League is definitely not an attraction for players to come at Liverpool

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #94 on: May 19, 2012, 10:56:43 PM »
I said arguably. So it is debatable. My side is we lost a bit of reputation particular with the poor league finish + Suarez incident. And Europa League is definitely not an attraction for players to come at Liverpool

Debate it then!

European football + Carling cup Vs. No European football, and no silverware.
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #95 on: May 19, 2012, 10:57:49 PM »
Anyone who believes that we are not a big club or that we are living on past glories are fucking retarded. Teams living off past glories would be those teams who last won a trophy or a load of trophy decades ago.

We, in the past 12 years have won everything bar the league and we won the Champions League in 2005. Its hardly generations ago.

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #96 on: May 19, 2012, 10:58:34 PM »
I said arguably. So it is debatable. My side is we lost a bit of reputation particular with the poor league finish + Suarez incident. And Europa League is definitely not an attraction for players to come at Liverpool

If we are missing out on our first choice players then young, up-and-coming, players may be the ones to go for - who will use the experience of playing Europa League footy at a club like Liverpool, who are competing for and winning honours, to become better players in their development.
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #97 on: May 19, 2012, 11:02:52 PM »
Debate it then!

European football + Carling cup Vs. No European football, and no silverware.
WTF? It is between Europa League vs Champions League. Clearly one winner. Nice work from you in trying to change the whole debate focus.

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #98 on: May 19, 2012, 11:04:01 PM »
WTF? It is between Europa League vs Champions League. Clearly one winner. Nice work from you in trying to change the whole debate focus.

We're in the Europa League next season - not the Champions League. Like I said before, deluded.
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #99 on: May 19, 2012, 11:05:50 PM »
We're in the Europa League next season - not the Champions League. Like I said before, deluded.
Like I said, Europa League vs Champs League is only one winner. And this is the reason why top players had rejected us in the past seasons and probably will do this season. Clearly, stop living in your fantasy world.

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #100 on: May 19, 2012, 11:07:00 PM »
Really we just need a manager with a helicopter and we'll be at the top in no time.

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #101 on: May 19, 2012, 11:11:44 PM »
You obviously never went to the FA Cup final mate. Many 'fans' around me were embarrasing. Never sang. Never backed the team. Slagged the players off, the manager off. Moaned throughout. Was embarrasing.
You say this ^^^ and then follow it up with this.
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He'll be sacked if he doesn't make top four. He'll even be sacked if he wins the FA Cup, League Cup and Europa Leauge.

Poisoned. Chalice.
So let me get this straight...a manager will come in here next season, win 2 cups AND the Europa League...win all three...and he'll be fired according to you?

Do you ever think before you start typing? Or do your fingers just start hammering away independent of brain function? You are the embodiment of embarrassing sometimes.

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #102 on: May 19, 2012, 11:12:41 PM »
Because you have the foundations for success and, it's yet to be seen, but hopefully owners that will back you. If you return Liverpool to prominence you'll be forever immortalized, and too be honest as a coach I feel as if that's your ultimate goal.

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #103 on: May 19, 2012, 11:18:42 PM »
Getting this fallen giant back on its feet and kicking it up the arse to win things again would be a monumental achievement. There are few mountains left to scale in global football, and this is one of them.
You see this is what I don't get? If I was a high profile manager I would see returning LFC, this massive sleeping giant, to it's former glory and by doing so, etch my name in footballing history forever, they would be worshipped and become legends if they brought back the title back to Liverpool after two decades, shit right now even if they got us back in the top 4 next season they'll probably be legends lol, this is no easy project but it's by no means impossible, I still think we have a good squad of players to build on, no fucking way are we as bad as some people make out, we battered most teams this year we just couldn't score, I just think a lot of these so called high profile managers are just scared to take us on, to much work for them, it's easy winning shit when you have an open cheque book..

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #104 on: May 19, 2012, 11:19:11 PM »
You say this ^^^ and then follow it up with this.So let me get this straight...a manager will come in here next season, win 2 cups AND the Europa League...win all three...and he'll be fired according to you?

Do you ever think before you start typing? Or do your fingers just start hammering away independent of brain function? You are the embodiment of embarrassing sometimes.

i think the point is that the priority for the owners is champions league qualification.  end of.
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #105 on: May 19, 2012, 11:23:07 PM »
Well for a start our apparent 'strategy' will rule out those who have yet to make enough dosh to retire, in that they will know only 4th spot will keep their job.  Maybe why Rogers knocked us back.

Other than that.  Who wants to work with owners who left the last manager out to dry during a racism battle?  And who publically backed him a few wks ago but then sacked him?

And who can't even be bothered to attend a Hillsborough memorial and who generally have only flown in here recently to sack people?

And who have 'invited' the likes of Martinez and Rogers (nowt against these 2 by the way) in for interview along with loads of others.  And who run a club which released a social media 'tweet' asking supporters who should be employed as manager?

Who the fuck would want to work with such a mob?

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #106 on: May 19, 2012, 11:26:53 PM »
Well for a start our apparent 'strategy' will rule out those who have yet to make enough dosh to retire, in that they will know only 4th spot will keep their job.  Maybe why Rogers knocked us back.

Other than that.  Who wants to work with owners who left the last manager out to dry during a racism battle?  And who publically backed him a few wks ago but then sacked him?

And who can't even be bothered to attend a Hillsborough memorial and who generally have only flown in here recently to sack people?

And who have 'invited' the likes of Martinez and Rogers (nowt against these 2 by the way) in for interview along with loads of others.  And who run a club which released a social media 'tweet' asking supporters who should be employed as manager?

Who the fuck would want to work with such a mob?

It's almost as if they haven't a fucking clue what they are doing.
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #107 on: May 19, 2012, 11:28:23 PM »
Actually today's match, got me thinking that a top manager will come to a club only if it is able to attract top players.

Unfortunately, I really believe that is not the case atm. We have already lost out to our 1st choice targets in the past, and actually I could even go on to say that majority of our signings last year were 2nd or 3rd choice. That was last season, this season we are arguably in worse situation. Carling Cup will not attract top players. Top players such as Torres left the club to win more trophies and today it seems like he was very correct.

second thread you have loaded that comment in are you a trawlerman?
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #108 on: May 19, 2012, 11:32:02 PM »
second thread you have loaded that comment in are you a trawlerman?

He's a wannabe plastic. Just doesn't have enough integrity to fess up to himself and go support a more winning team. One that wins more than the 'deluded Carling Cup' anyway.
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #109 on: May 19, 2012, 11:36:32 PM »
second thread you have loaded that comment in are you a trawlerman?

Sadly, no, Geoff, not that smart. More this

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #110 on: May 19, 2012, 11:45:46 PM »
WTF? It is between Europa League vs Champions League. Clearly one winner. Nice work from you in trying to change the whole debate focus.

Are you drunk?

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #111 on: May 20, 2012, 02:12:46 AM »
For a top manager there is a lot to achieve in Liverpool, now more then ever.
Winning the League or bringing Liverpool back to the PL and CL top, the fans are hungry for big prizes/achievements.
You can make yourself with such achievements a real hero in Liverpool.

Next to that Liverpool has a great history, plays in a great stadium of the biggest league and the salary wouldnt be bad either.
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #112 on: May 20, 2012, 02:17:35 AM »
Because Rafa is one of ours. We're just lucky about this.
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #113 on: May 20, 2012, 05:08:41 AM »
many sources are reporting Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas is the first choice now .

well i would  have loved to have rafa back in charge ..but Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas also doesnt seem to be that bad .

ignore his chelsea record , then his profile is awesome ..

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #114 on: May 20, 2012, 06:17:24 AM »
many sources are reporting Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas is the first choice now .

well i would  have loved to have rafa back in charge ..but Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas also doesnt seem to be that bad .

ignore his chelsea record , then his profile is awesome ..

His Chelsea record isn't as bad as everyone makes out. Sitting 5th whilst being only 3 points behind 4th with an ageing team and senior players fighting against you is pretty decent in my opinion.

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #115 on: May 20, 2012, 06:39:34 AM »
Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?   Can't believe I am saying this but they really shouldn't consider it, not under the current regime.  We have become a poisoned chalice, a bit like what NewCastle were before they got relegated.  Our history and romanticism of managing us aside (which may still be draws), the people running the club are a huge negative to couter-act this.   

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #116 on: May 20, 2012, 06:49:47 AM »
Villas-Boas was thought to be a top manager and an answer to what ailed us when Roy was in charge. Nothing's changed. Not my top choice but he's second, a good candidate and I think he could be an outstanding manager for us.

Given that I think he is a top manager (in terms of unattached managers, absolutely), I'll answer from the perspective of why Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas should consider coming here.

Good budget (without players leaving, which they may), the reward for being successful at this job is to become a legendary figure, and this is a massive club. Every manager seems to be cognizant of that last fact. The second point serves the ego you expect in nearly all top managers. And lastly, because it's the best chance for Villas-Boas to have an in and become successful in England. He also has the ability to make this club whatever he wants it to be because it hasn't been working in a way that "what the manager should be doing with the team" is something people really have a definitive answer to or are able to pin on him if he does something unconventional or different than what has been done previously.

If Villas-Boas is successful at this job, not the owners considerations of success, but what WE consider to be successful, he'll become idolized. That's why he'll take the job if offered.
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #117 on: May 20, 2012, 07:13:50 AM »
Villas-Boas was thought to be a top manager and an answer to what ailed us when Roy was in charge. Nothing's changed. Not my top choice but he's second, a good candidate and I think he could be an outstanding manager for us.

Given that I think he is a top manager (in terms of unattached managers, absolutely), I'll answer from the perspective of why Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas should consider coming here.

Good budget (without players leaving, which they may), the reward for being successful at this job is to become a legendary figure, and this is a massive club. Every manager seems to be cognizant of that last fact. The second point serves the ego you expect in nearly all top managers. And lastly, because it's the best chance for Villas-Boas to have an in and become successful in England. He also has the ability to make this club whatever he wants it to be because it hasn't been working in a way that "what the manager should be doing with the team" is something people really have a definitive answer to or are able to pin on him if he does something unconventional or different than what has been done previously.

If Villas-Boas is successful at this job, not the owners considerations of success, but what WE consider to be successful, he'll become idolized. That's why he'll take the job if offered.

Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas isn't a top manager.  He's won the league in Portugal.  What else has he done other than be young and good looking?  He definitely isn't the next Mourinho based on what he was like at Chelsea.  A top manager is someone with someone with a track record like Benitez (who won the league in Spain twice with Valencia and the CL with us) or Capello who has won the league in both Spain and Italy (the latter with a few different clubs).  If Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas is given the job, I can see it going very wrong very fast.  I think he'll jump at the prospect but it probably won't be a good thing for either of us.

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #118 on: May 20, 2012, 07:38:52 AM »
Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas isn't a top manager.  He's won the league in Portugal.  What else has he done other than be young and good looking?  He definitely isn't the next Mourinho based on what he was like at Chelsea.  A top manager is someone with someone with a track record like Benitez (who won the league in Spain twice with Valencia and the CL with us) or Capello who has won the league in both Spain and Italy (the latter with a few different clubs).  If Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas is given the job, I can see it going very wrong very fast.  I think he'll jump at the prospect but it probably won't be a good thing for either of us.

He won the league in Portugal and his club didn't lose in that league. Lost two matches in Europe but ultimately won both those ties. Did the most you could possibly require of a manager. Who else has done that? If the next Mourinho also requires being a c*nt, I sure hope he's not that man. He wasn't backed by the board at Chelsea with what needed to be done. It will still need to be done at some point in the future. Somebody is going to have to navigate that situation. I don't think a manager should ultimately be judged on what they do with Chelsea, for us, when talking about prospective candidates they need to be judged on what they can do for Liverpool and what they have done under clubs which aren't or won't become a managerial graveyard.

Capello would be a good choice but I avoided that simply because it's unrealistic.

I can see anyone who's given this job having it head south very quickly because we have absolutely and completely unrealistic expectations of what a Liverpool manager should be able to do with this side in two seasons and the owners completely feed into that. Nobody who is going to manage this club is going to get it in the Champions League in two seasons and they'll be under massive pressure at that point. I'm not even sure Pep Guardiola would be a cert for it to be honest. It will take a miracle worker to hold onto our own or replace them with quality if they want Champions League football elsewhere. Whoever gets the job will be sacked in 24 months. Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas or no.
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #119 on: May 20, 2012, 07:47:46 AM »
He won the league in Portugal and his club didn't lose in that league. Lost two matches in Europe but ultimately won both those ties. Did the most you could possibly require of a manager. Who else has done that? If the next Mourinho also requires being a c*nt, I sure hope he's not that man. He wasn't backed by the board at Chelsea with what needed to be done. It will still need to be done at some point in the future. Somebody is going to have to navigate that situation. I don't think a manager should ultimately be judged on what they do with Chelsea, for us, when talking about prospective candidates they need to be judged on what they can do for Liverpool and what they have done under clubs which aren't or won't become a managerial graveyard.

Capello would be a good choice but I avoided that simply because it's unrealistic.

I can see anyone who's given this job having it head south very quickly because we have absolutely and completely unrealistic expectations of what a Liverpool manager should be able to do with this side in two seasons and the owners completely feed into that. Nobody who is going to manage this club is going to get it in the Champions League in two seasons and they'll be under massive pressure at that point. I'm not even sure Pep Guardiola would be a cert for it to be honest. It will take a miracle worker to hold onto our own or replace them with quality if they want Champions League football elsewhere. Whoever gets the job will be sacked in 24 months. Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas or no.

Winning the league in Portugal is like winning the league in Scotland.  It tells you fuck all about how good a manager he is as Porto dominate that league.  Had he won it with someone else, then that might be a good sign.  All we know is that he came to England and wasn't even able to get Chelsea into the top 4 - shocking given the team they have.   Mourinho, on the other hand, won the CL with Porto, a monumental achievement, before he came to England.   I think a lot of the hype about Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas is because people want to believe he's the new Mourinho but the facts suggest otherwise.  Also, his rule at Chelsea that players shouldn't celebrate a goal without him was just plain ridiculous.  I really hope we don't get him as I don't believe that he is the real deal.