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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2012, 08:52:42 AM »
Honestly is "the fans" still usable?

There is a large enough section of our fanbase that are  just normal footie fans like any other clubs.   There were enough 'supporters' that called for Rafa's head, believing the lines they were fed, without looking at what was easily seen for anyone that could be bothered to think for themselves.  Enough to empower the two cowboys to move the man out.  There have been a good number also calling for/agreeing to sacking the King after just one full season. 

Seriously, I struggle to think of being a LFC fan as anything special these days.  If  half our fans don't "get" the club, how can we expect a new manager to "get" the club?

The Mecca has been Mc'Ded.

Let's get one thing straight. The only achievement in football is doing it. That is playing to the highest level possible or coaching to the highest level possible. Even if that's just youth level, it's the fact that you're out there, working, understanding - that is knowing ; doing.

Anything else, and I include myself in that these days, is talk. Even well researched, logically outlined articles here, is talk. During the game, at the pub, among your mates - all talk. No amount of back-slapping among your mates, quoting dead Greek guys from 2000 years ago or being 'intelligent' about football is going to make you rated any more than what is deserved in that specific field.

I've done my share of talking about our issues / analysing etc, but underneath that, there's a cast iron understanding of what my role is, and where my knowledge ends. Over the years, I think that distinction has become blurred, and then downright torn down, to the point that it is possible to create momentum, building from a base of speculation / not so accurate information, make it build with the media (not just here, the entire set up of it), turn up the pressure, and get a man out.

Kenny's more an owners' call imo but the setup was clear enough, Rafa was a good example of the machinations at work.

It may not be nice to hear, but if you look at a forum and its part in the setup, minor as it is, every discussion here about the manager's failings (and I've done my fair share) contributes towards pressure as journos look for an angle. Don't take it as an emotional thing, just look at the set-up. The criticisms of him in the radio / talk shows is fuel to the rest of the media etc and ammunition for the owners. None of this may be done with that in mind, but the nature of the set-up is that's how it pans out. There was a time when all this short term criticism of the manager disappeared once it was said at the pubs post match, at home etc, but now it's a matter of record, liable to be exploited by those who wish to.

A good solution is having owners that have good judgement, keep their own counsel. That's not looking to be the case with us (I suppose it's worth waiting one more time to see them have their own man in place and see how they back him), and with many other clubs as well. Even with the next man, they simply don't have enough football knowledge about the timescales required to hold their own counsel, and will be relying on the circle of advisors. Who knows how that may turn out.



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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2012, 09:02:53 AM »
Because we're still one of the largest names in world football.

Though I wish people would stop talking balls about hiring Klopp or Mourinho or Guardiola and smell the coffee.  We're now a step down from the very "top" jobs. We're still much bigger than most clubs though.

Didn't realise Dortmund was one of the top jobs in football. Surely, Liverpool is a bigger name than Dortmund? Even if they are a very good side themselves?

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #42 on: May 19, 2012, 09:05:36 AM »
By what we know we're not going to approach any top
managers. We have just had the knock from Brendan Rodgers.

I cant say I blame him. Hes probably seen whats been goin on here and thought fuck that i'll be hounded out before I even get chance to put my ideas into place there.
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #43 on: May 19, 2012, 09:11:41 AM »
Didn't realise Dortmund was one of the top jobs in football. Surely, Liverpool is a bigger name than Dortmund? Even if they are a very good side themselves?

Not to a German manager managing a German club that has a plethora of top talent and a bright future, a club that has challenged the hegemony of one of the biggest clubs in Europe with great success.

The self perception of the British fans and emdia that the PL is somehow the holy grail for all players and managers around Europe is bogus.  Ever think why we see so few German players in England despite the fact that they are miles ahead of their English counterparts in almost all aspects and earn lower wages than what is paid in England?

Liverpool is still one of the biggest clubs for managers from the anglophone world. I doubt history and reputation matters all that much to foreign managers considering the present state of the club. They all give nice soundbites about Liverpool being a massive club and all after they join but the truth is we are no longer in the A tier of clubs and unless something changes drastically we won't be anytime in the near future.
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #44 on: May 19, 2012, 09:11:57 AM »
We're probably the biggest challenge to any manager right now. To return one of the most successful clubs back to where it belongs. Winning the domestic league and European cup. We might not have the wealth of city but isn't that why it's a challenge, isnt it more rewarding achieving them goals without hundreds of millions invested into a playing squad, just good management skills and the right people around you.

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #45 on: May 19, 2012, 09:21:05 AM »
We're probably the biggest challenge to any manager right now. To return one of the most successful clubs back to where it belongs. Winning the domestic league and European cup. We might not have the wealth of city but isn't that why it's a challenge, isnt it more rewarding achieving them goals without hundreds of millions invested into a playing squad, just good management skills and the right people around you.

We do have the best fans in the world, one thing money can't buy.

You obviously never went to the FA Cup final mate. Many 'fans' around me were embarrasing. Never sang. Never backed the team. Slagged the players off, the manager off. Moaned throughout. Was embarrasing.
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #46 on: May 19, 2012, 09:21:40 AM »
We're probably the biggest challenge to any manager right now. To return one of the most successful clubs back to where it belongs. Winning the domestic league and European cup. We might not have the wealth of city but isn't that why it's a challenge, isnt it more rewarding achieving them goals without hundreds of millions invested into a playing squad, just good management skills and the right people around you.

We do have the best fans in the world, one thing money can't buy.

Yeah right  ;D

Its a 'challenge' not many would have the stomach for I would presume , unless they are looking to make quick buck and fuck off.

I mean look at it objectively. Some of the most demanding(and fickle) fans , resources not comparable to the the A list clubs(but expectations are), a squad that has a handful of genuinely good players , a management structure that nobody has a fucking clue about.

I don't think its a job for any random successful manager.
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #47 on: May 19, 2012, 09:30:57 AM »
Any manager with enough self beleive that he has enough knowhow to win the pl, should relish managing lfc simply cause the first manager to steer us to pl glory will go down in lfc folklore even if that was the only thing he ever does. Is that reason enough?

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #48 on: May 19, 2012, 09:32:20 AM »
So he can live in Cheshire

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #49 on: May 19, 2012, 09:33:00 AM »
Because the fixture list says they have to at least once a season

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #50 on: May 19, 2012, 09:34:27 AM »
Any manager with enough self beleive that he has enough knowhow to win the pl, should relish managing lfc simply cause the first manager to steer us to pl glory will go down in lfc folklore even if that was the only thing he ever does. Is that reason enough?

He'll be sacked if he doesn't make top four. He'll even be sacked if he wins the FA Cup, League Cup and Europa Leauge.

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #51 on: May 19, 2012, 10:03:45 AM »
You obviously never went to the FA Cup final mate. Many 'fans' around me were embarrasing. Never sang. Never backed the team. Slagged the players off, the manager off. Moaned throughout. Was embarrasing.

You have to look at every fanbase though Andy, or every fanbase in modern football.

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #52 on: May 19, 2012, 10:05:18 AM »
For the lucrative pay off when dismissed, unless he avoids Cup success of course.

By the way, this 'best fans in the world' business is as cringeworthy as it's outdated...simply and obviously not true anymore.
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #53 on: May 19, 2012, 10:31:35 AM »
You obviously never went to the FA Cup final mate. Many 'fans' around me were embarrasing. Never sang. Never backed the team. Slagged the players off, the manager off. Moaned throughout. Was embarrasing.

Witnessed this myself that day.
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #54 on: May 19, 2012, 10:32:32 AM »
Because he already lives locally? No relocation costs?

Exactly.   ;)
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #55 on: May 19, 2012, 11:54:07 AM »
Not sure if this has been posted or if this is the right thread for it.  Even if you dont agree with the end suggestion it does show the problem facing the club -


Brian Reade
Why I fear for Liverpool after hasty Dalglish sacking


Liverpool wasted little time in getting rid of Kenny, but the real worry is over the fact that they did so without a replacement already lined up, writes Brian Reade


Kenny's gone: But Liverpool are still to organise a suitable replacement

The vast majority of Liverpudlians were shocked and saddened when the knife finally plunged into Kenny Dalglish’s back.

That includes the growing number of Anfield regulars who’d begun to worry if he was yesterday’s monarch.

But the minimum even Dalglish’s harshest critics expected was that his successor would be lined-up. And that his name would inspire.

If not, why sack a man who, after his first full year in the job, was probably a Wembley wonder-save away from an open-top bus tour with two trophies dangling over the side?

Instead, 24 hours after hearing they’d killed Kenny, news broke that Liverpool would be speaking to Roberto Martinez. Which felt like kicking Cameron Diaz out of bed for Susan Boyle.

Martinez may go on to become a great manager. But his CV so far reads “kept Wigan up, then kept Wigan up.”

Wigan's got talent: But Martinez is Susan Boyle to Dalglish's Cameron Diaz
 
Just as the CVs of Brendan Rodgers and Paul Lambert read: “took small team up and didn’t take them down again.”

They are unproven talents as likely to become the next Bill Shankly as they are the next George Burley.

If Fenway Sports say the minimum requirement of a new manager is a top-four finish, how could those three short-listed names (Rodgers has since turned down the approach) possibly meet their requirements?

To instantly gate-crash the Champions League party Liverpool have not been invited to for three seasons, requires a proven title-winner with the knowledge, balls and experience to elbow his way through the door, butting bouncers on the way.

Which is why, if we accept that Jose Mourinho, Pep Guardiola and Jurgen Klopp are going nowhere, John Henry should be looking at four names: Rafa Benitez, Didier Deschamps, Carlo Ancelotti and Fabio Capello.

I accept Benitez polarises opinion and I’m guessing Fenway won’t go for him because they’ve been told he’s too political.

Yet this is a man who led Liverpool back into Europe’s elite, came within a whisker of winning the Premier League, and only screwed-up when Hicks and Gillett starved him of the funds to compete with his rivals.

Ancelotti is on a fortune at Qatari-backed PSG. But match his salary and the 52-year-old may be tempted to show Chelsea they made a huge mistake in sacking him.

Liverpool tried to lure Deschamps before Roy Hodgson was appointed but he was happy winning the French title with Marseille. Maybe now, he fancies a change.

But how about building your new revolutionary coaching model around this enticing option, Mr Henry?

Capello as boss, and Jamie Carragher his deputy.

The hugely-successful Italian feels he has one last big job left in him, the extremely-knowledegable Scouser has an inherent belief he’ll one day be Liverpool manager.

Give Capello £40million to spend and with his track record at club level and knowledge of English football, a top four finish next season, before the Financial Fair Play rules kick in, would look distinctly possible.

Give Carragher the chance to serve his managerial apprenticeship under the master who persuaded him to come out of international retirement, and he would crawl in from Bootle over broken glass.

You want a plan for now and the future, youthful potential combined with experience, a knowledge of European football plus an instinctive feel for the soul of Liverpool FC?

Give Capello a three-year contract with Carragher as his number two.

That way, even if Carra doesn’t turn out to be top management material, you can go for someone else in 2015. When you’re back in the Champions League.

At the very least imagine the fear it would drill into Liverpool’s many under-performers if they realised they had to face those two fearsome figures in a dark corridor after another “unlucky” defeat?   
     
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #56 on: May 19, 2012, 12:03:16 PM »
Because despite all the turmoil of the last few years, this is still the most sucessful club in England. The squad can form the basis of a very good team and the youth system is beginning to deliver exciting players. The fans are great and will give you patience if they can see you are doing something special and the stadium while old is one of the great cathedrals of football. The board backed the previous manager heavily and will if you can bring success do the same.
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #57 on: May 19, 2012, 12:15:56 PM »
Nice to see Reade is still keeping his contacts sweet.

Make it a mountain of broken glass. Earn your right to any first team job, we're not Barcelona with a full system in place. Go elsewhere, prove yourself, and if you deserve it coach here.

Look, if you're taking over a new in-house project / group / division in work etc, there'll always be fellas wanting to tell you things in the first few weeks. If you're the type who doesn't consider someone because 'youve been told' you deserve to bomb the fuck out in disgrace. That's the least you expect of competent owners.




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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #58 on: May 19, 2012, 12:19:20 PM »
Any top manager would need is head looked at to take the liverpool job. Top 4 the minimum requirement with a £30m budget and a squad nowhere near the level of city, chelsea, united, arsenal or spurs. Reporting to a bunch of trigger happy yanks sitting in boston. We'll get martinez or Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #59 on: May 19, 2012, 12:25:26 PM »
-history
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-challenging and potentially exciting project
-chance to impose your philosphy
-still one of the top clubs in the transfer market with the ability to build
-world class players still here
-good youth system
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #60 on: May 19, 2012, 12:26:12 PM »
Any top manager would need is head looked at to take the liverpool job. Top 4 the minimum requirement with a £30m budget and a squad nowhere near the level of city, chelsea, united, arsenal or spurs. Reporting to a bunch of trigger happy yanks sitting in boston. We'll get martinez or Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas

Were has this 30 mill budget rumour come from? Surely the owners would come out and say how much the new manager has to spend would they?
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #61 on: May 19, 2012, 12:27:07 PM »
Carragher? Honestly Brian? Fucking ludicrous suggestion  if you ask me.

I'd be very happy if Capello was put in charge although he wouldn't be my first choice.

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #62 on: May 19, 2012, 12:30:44 PM »
Were has this 30 mill budget rumour come from? Surely the owners would come out and say how much the new manager has to spend would they?

Im not sure if the £30m figure is genuine. Going by Ayres interview that we'll only spend what we can generate i would say it is a reasonably accurate figure. Our owners have not got the financial clout to match their ambitions

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #63 on: May 19, 2012, 12:30:50 PM »
Most managers would love the position until they're interviewed as a candidate and the first question from the panel is "what the fuck do you want to come here for?".

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #64 on: May 19, 2012, 12:31:40 PM »
Carragher? Honestly Brian? Fucking ludicrous suggestion  if you ask me.

I'd be very happy if Capello was put in charge although he wouldn't be my first choice.

Thinking the same myself.
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #65 on: May 19, 2012, 01:06:35 PM »
I can't imagine Capello and Carragher understanding a word each other says.

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #66 on: May 19, 2012, 01:08:33 PM »
Because it's a well paying job and people have bills to pay.

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #67 on: May 19, 2012, 01:09:30 PM »
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #68 on: May 19, 2012, 01:23:11 PM »
A masochist would enjoy it immensely

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #69 on: May 19, 2012, 01:40:44 PM »
the owners have decided on their model
if they chose correctly and a young manager with the temperment for a higfh profile job then he builds a team up over time. i can't see top 4 being absolutely necessary! if we are atleast competing for it next year then that will suffice.
i have no problem with rafa as a coach but owners won't want him talking about the club and them negatively. if he accepts their terms then he has to be considered, i doubt he would though

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #71 on: May 19, 2012, 01:47:04 PM »
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #72 on: May 19, 2012, 01:50:31 PM »
Its a tremendous challenge to whomever gets named. Ambitious people love challenges and the thought of restoring a seemingly down and out historic club has massive appeal.

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #73 on: May 19, 2012, 02:25:52 PM »
its only a tremedous challenge if you get the wrong bloke in.
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #74 on: May 19, 2012, 02:27:00 PM »
You have the history and tradition, but you also have a fanbase that has experience of providing genuine affection to a strong and successful manager, which means you are likely to be given time and support by the fans if you can demonstrate a plan and vision. Also anybody who wins a major European trophy with us, or notably the league, is going to have legendary status.

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #75 on: May 19, 2012, 02:45:20 PM »
Brian Reade wouldn't have been another one of those extremely trustworthy reds in the media that toed the party line during Suarezgate, would he?

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #76 on: May 19, 2012, 02:57:12 PM »
We're probably the biggest challenge to any manager right now. To return one of the most successful clubs back to where it belongs. Winning the domestic league and European cup. We might not have the wealth of city but isn't that why it's a challenge, isnt it more rewarding achieving them goals without hundreds of millions invested into a playing squad, just good management skills and the right people around you.

We do have the best fans in the world, one thing money can't buy.

That part makes me cringe and other fans laugh

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #77 on: May 19, 2012, 03:02:26 PM »
Honestly, there are not a lot of reasons at this very moment. Firstly, due to the fact that there aren't many top managers around the world, and whoever they are, they already are in a top top club. So the quantity is very few and the competition to get them huge.

And a top manager would either want to go a top club or one which is aspiring to be. Although we definately belong to the latter part atm, but we have an additional problem which is us, the fans. Now after Kenny, whoever comes will automatically be deemed worse and less trustful. I have already seen some fans just wishing for the next manager to fail. Clearly, going to be a hard time for a top manager to come NOW. The keyword once again is NOW.

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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #78 on: May 19, 2012, 03:27:39 PM »
Im not sure if the £30m figure is genuine. Going by Ayres interview that we'll only spend what we can generate i would say it is a reasonably accurate figure. Our owners have not got the financial clout to match their ambitions

They have the clout, they just don't have the willingness to invest millions of their own money into the club.  In normal circumstances, that is reasonable enough as far as I am concerned, however, given that they got the club on the cheap, they could put £100m in and still be in profit.  In fact, if they want to get a good return on their investment (through raising the value of the club) they need to speculate to accumulate and invest now as much as FFP rules will allow. 

I think the £30m figure is pretty accurate, as it is roughly what we generate.  I'd like to hope that FSG sacked Kenny because they plan to give the new manager the time and money necessary to build a squad.  We have a good base there, but we have a long way to go.   
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Re: Why should a top manager consider coming to Liverpool Football Club?
« Reply #79 on: May 19, 2012, 03:29:18 PM »
Because we are LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB, end of topic.