Author Topic: Martinez (Read 14834 times)

Andy @ Allerton · « **Reply #520 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:55:30 PM »

Quote from: NorthamptonKopite on May 17, 2012, 06:49:44 PM

Give the guy a f***ing chance!!!!!! For Fowlers sake!

He hasn't even been appointed, and already people are calling for his head.

People need to get a grip.

I won't give him dogs abuse. He seems like a nice chap (If in the thrall of Alex Ferguson and his LMA arse kissers). He seems a perfectly decent bloke.

He's also a very, very average manager. He's got no European experience (We are back in Europe next season remember). He's got no experience of big name players or how to handle them. He's got no big club experience or how to handle the fans, the media or expectations of such a club. He's got no experience of big money transfers. He's got no experience of Sky and the rest of the media putting the boot in just because he'll be LFC manager.

Basically nice guy. Woefully inadequate in every way for such a big job at this stage of his career.

It's like us hiring an office cleaner that started on the YTS last October when we want a dynamic international project manager.

It will end in tears. It's just as obvious as the Hodgson appointment.

Ridiculous from FSG. Even more ridiculous from those advising them.

Tepid water · « **Reply #521 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:55:36 PM »

Quote from: The G in Gerrard on May 17, 2012, 06:52:08 PM

Underwhelming choice imo.

Im not sure why....

Martinez might be a disaster here..... But he just might be a huge success.

It's not like Hodgson where we knew exactly what we were getting, he's untried at this level he might be brilliant.

Fuck, he might have come from a club like Huddersfield...who would come from there eh?

Seriously, if it is to be him, then we just don't know how he will get on, we have nothing to go on really.

bez · « **Reply #522 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:55:37 PM »

Quote from: faisfais on May 17, 2012, 06:52:21 PM

As someone based in the US, I will tell you guys one thing. Roberto Martinez made a BIG impact on the US audience over the summer of 2010 in his coverage of the World Cup on ESPN networks. It was universally accepted that he was the kind of gentle soft spoken person who exuded intelligence and know-how about the game.

Like I pointed out in another thread (regarding Owen Coyle four days ago): Presenting your view points in an articulate matter and carrying yourself in a dignified matter DOES NOT imply you have tactical intelligence.

Tell him to make a big impact on the premier league then. Ps what do yanks know about soccer?

Devastatin' Dave · « **Reply #523 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:55:38 PM »

Quote from: Chakan on May 17, 2012, 06:44:20 PM

The problem is we get this wrong it's going to fuck us over again. We need the correct appointment, not someone who is going to step into a job as their "big first club" job. We need someone who has been there before, who has handled top flight players, who can attract players, who can go out and get the necessary people we need to get back into a top 4 position. While Martinez might play nice football, do we really want to see if he is ready to handle a big club when we are trying to get back to being a top 4 club, and then what if he fails? We are fucked royally.

If FSG want to make their intent known go get a world class manager, do anything possible to get him, make a statement, this statement says "we have very little idea what we are doing and hopefully we don't fuck it up too badly"

While my past two posts have been saying that Martinez isn't a massive overachiever, I don't think we can only be looking for people who have been there and done it. Mainly because the level of expectation at the club outweighs the quality of the team at present, so we can't attract those top names in reality.

As many people bring up Benitez as a candidate, what had he done to be installed manager of a team that appeared in the two previous Champions League Finals?

RuncornRed25 · « **Reply #524 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:55:51 PM »

Quote from: ۩ Maximus ۩ on May 17, 2012, 06:03:50 PM

Hodgson-esque appointment if true. Massive, MASSIVE step backwards.

It might be in the sense people have question marks over him, but his whole philosophy is completely different to Hodgson

All I can say is i am a fan of him but maybe i thought it was too soon for him, but he deserves a chance and i'll be right behind him if its his job

shafticus · « **Reply #525 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:55:52 PM »

Quote from: Always_A_Red on May 17, 2012, 06:43:39 PM

Knew it! What a fuckin joke!

Im done. If he gets the job, im done.

Fuck off FSG!

But, but, what about your screenname?

audioedge · « **Reply #526 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:55:57 PM »

Quote from: It's Jimmy Corkhill on May 17, 2012, 06:54:15 PM

When Rafa got the job, they interviewed Curbishley, allegedly at the request of Gerrard.

The interviewed Curbs before Rafa, didnt know that. Cheers.

Welsh Dragon · « **Reply #527 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:55:57 PM »

Quote from: tommyLFC on May 17, 2012, 06:51:26 PM

Last night i was unsure on Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas. Now I'd go and carry him to Anfield myself.

Need a hand mate?

verbal kint · « **Reply #528 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:56:01 PM »

Nothing against him and i'm not jumping to conclussions, but the owners have been banging on about getting back into the champions league and back to the top of the premier league ASAP.

Now im sorry but a man with Martinez record should not even figure in those ideas no offence to him, if we are serious about getting back to the top soon then we need an experienced manager with european experience, we are after all back in europe this year.

This is not the calibre of manager we should be interviewing.

rowan_d · « **Reply #529 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:56:03 PM »

Makes our loss to Wigan even more destructive...

krizzobizzle · « **Reply #530 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:56:13 PM »

I just hope there asking him does he want a job burning rafas match dvds to disc.

The G in Gerrard · « **Reply #531 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:56:13 PM »

Quote from: Immortal King Brian Blessed on May 17, 2012, 06:54:55 PM

Are some of you lot Aston Villa fans? Just asking.

In what sense?

Mr Rossi · « **Reply #532 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:56:24 PM »

Quote from: Kenny Coat on May 17, 2012, 06:47:06 PM

Martinez is also too 'pally' with ferguson and moyes.

Next thing you know is we will be giving our best youth players to the bitters for a few magic beans and a curly wurly.

Grow up man.

I'd hardly call him 'pally' with demento, Martinez is firmly in the Rafa camp. He was asked to go out to dinner with Fergie and his bum chums by Dave Whelan, so he did because thats what his boss asked him to do. Thats all it was. He is actually very close friends with Rafa. Infact who knows, it could be Rafa who is advising FSG.

robgomm · « **Reply #533 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:56:32 PM »

Quote from: shafticus on May 17, 2012, 06:55:52 PM

But, but, what about your screenname?

LOL

Surprise me. · « **Reply #534 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:56:32 PM »

Quote from: Immortal King Brian Blessed on May 17, 2012, 06:54:55 PM

Are some of you lot Aston Villa fans? Just asking.

I was but then Liverpool won the FA Cup in 2006.

davsteer · « **Reply #535 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:56:42 PM »

he would not last as long as RH, this would be a terrible decision.

pointless!

Tepid water · « **Reply #536 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:56:49 PM »

Quote from: Andy @ Allerton on May 17, 2012, 06:55:30 PM

I won't give him dogs abuse. He seems like a nice chap (If in the thrall of Alex Ferguson and his LMA arse kissers). He seems a perfectly decent bloke.

He's also a very, very average manager. He's got no European experience (We are back in Europe next season remember). He's got no experience of big name players or how to handle them. He's got no big club experience or how to handle the fans, the media or expectations of such a club. He's got no experience of big money transfers. He's got no experience of Sky and the rest of the media putting the boot in just because he'll be LFC manager.

Basically nice guy. Woefully inadequate in every way for such a big job at this stage of his career.

It's like us hiring an office cleaner that started on the YTS last October when we want a dynamic international project manager.

It will end in tears. It's just as obvious as the Hodgson appointment.

Ridiculous from FSG. Even more ridiculous from those advising them.

NONE of this makes him an average manager, it just makes him untried at the highest level.

Ridiculous argument from you there.

redhot-robbie · « **Reply #537 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:56:54 PM »

This whole win percentage is pissing me off. First of all I want to say I'd like Rafa or Klopp.

Now to give Martinez a little credit, this 26% win ratio is with fucking Wigan who lets be honest have no fans and no ambition. For the record his win percentage at Swansea was 50%.

Not happy with how the club are going about things but lets see where it goes.

TheTeflonJohn · « **Reply #538 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:57:02 PM »

Quote from: RedMarko on May 17, 2012, 06:42:28 PM

Does anyone giving Martinez* abuse not realise that If he ends up being appointed, you as fans will be expected to support him wholeheartedly. Posting your disgust at him being spoken to as a potential candidate will make you look like a complete whopper if he is eventually appointed.

(*name can be replaced for posting in any other potential manager threads)

So fans who express disapointment about a managerial candidate would look like whoppers if that candidate was given the job?

How does that work. I`m lost

SerbianScouser · « **Reply #539 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:57:02 PM »

We just cant catch a break with owners can we ?

sirKennyDaggers · « **Reply #540 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:57:09 PM »

Dread to think of the fans swarming out the ground ala Hodgson if Martinez struggles to make an impact.
Seems like a nice guy too.

Djibriliant · « **Reply #541 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:57:18 PM »

The fact this thread has 14 pages after less than 2 hours shows the overall reaction of this desicion.

karl1987 · « **Reply #542 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:57:21 PM »

I rate Martinez, think he could become a brilliant manager and like his style of play but I think now is far to early for him.

JustDan · « **Reply #543 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:57:40 PM »

Don't worry everyone, this is just a tactic to get the Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas doubters on board when he becomes manager instead...

Sheik_Yerbouti · « **Reply #544 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:57:44 PM »

Quote from: fatlip13 on May 17, 2012, 06:53:58 PM

liverpool are "talking" to martinez. he is not the new manager. he could be and we all should back him.
some on here have got the impression that the supporters can run the club. for everyone that wants rafa, somebody won't like him. some like mourinho i detest him. capello just does not excite me. we could end up with the biggest name and they turn out crap. we need to get back to supporting this club not tearing it apart at every chance we get.
rafa at valencia was FSGs' ideal manager/coach. given players and he molded them into a team that punched above their weight. he now wants more control. if it is martinez then so be it. he would not be my choice. klopp is the ideal choice imo but i can't see it happening.

we can evaluate the new manager when he is appointed

Why the fuck should we back him ?
He's got no credentials to take the job.

It's like signing fucking Grant Holt over Fernando Llorente.

gamble · « **Reply #545 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:57:46 PM »

Can we take it for granted that we understand there might be other candidates if it really is an interview process - this is just debating martinez' credentials.

I do like roberto martinez as a man but it's a complete punt giving him this job. You've risked something that was known with Kenny, something that was a work in progress for a complete shot in the dark. He needs to have the season of his lifetime first time. madness.

Will wait and see who the other candidates are and what happens but looks martinez would probably be cheaper and less demanding than other names in the hat. pretty obvious if FSG head that way.

inexorably red · « **Reply #546 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:57:50 PM »

just a thought,but going back in time can you imagine the reaction on here to LFC being linked to a Mr Shankly, who`s he ever managed? you just never know what can happen when a man and club link up whether its martinez or not

CraigDS · « **Reply #547 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:57:53 PM »

Surely would be one of many to be interviewed for the post?

Sorry if already said - not got round to reading all these pages just yet.

El Denzel Pepito · « **Reply #548 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:58:00 PM »

The BBC's Ian McGarry says we've invited Brendan Rodgers for an interview, too:

So, no shock that Brendan Rodgers is one of the managers #LFC have invited for interview for head coach job. And the other candidate to be interviewed for #LFC head coach is Roberto Martinez. I think both Rodgers/Martinez have proven coaching qualities which applied could improve #LFC. Club want stability/continuity. Both fit bill.

shelovesyou · « **Reply #549 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:58:02 PM »

Quote from: Mr Rossi on May 17, 2012, 06:56:24 PM

Grow up man.

I'd hardly call him 'pally' with demento, Martinez is firmly in the Rafa camp. He was asked to go out to dinner with Mr Alex Ferguson and his bum chums by Dave Whelan, so he did because thats what his boss asked him to do. Thats all it was. He is actually very close friends with Rafa. Infact who knows, it could be Rafa who is advising FSG.

Yep, we havent got the 1st idea really.

Chakan · « **Reply #550 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:58:06 PM »

Quote from: Devastatin' Dave on May 17, 2012, 06:55:38 PM

While my past two posts have been saying that Martinez isn't a massive overachiever, I don't think we can only be looking for people who have been there and done it. Mainly because the level of expectation at the club outweighs the quality of the team at present, so we can't attract those top names in reality.

As many people bring up Benitez as a candidate, what had he done to be installed manager of a team that appeared in the two previous Champions League Finals?

He won La Liga, beating out both Barcelona and Real Madrid.

mikey_LFC · « **Reply #551 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:58:08 PM »

I don't think he'll face any abuse. On the basis of this thread we'll be too busy fighting, arguing and abusing each other. The divisions are massive.

The G in Gerrard · « **Reply #552 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:58:10 PM »

Quote from: Tepid water on May 17, 2012, 06:55:36 PM

Im not sure why....

Martinez might be a disaster here..... But he just might be a huge success.

It's not like Hodgson where we knew exactly what we were getting, he's untried at this level he might be brilliant.

Fuck, he might have come from a club like Huddersfield...who would come from there eh?

Seriously, if it is to be him, then we just don't know how he will get on, we have nothing to go on really.

He won 4 of the first 29 games according to Sky. He had a good run at end of the season. He's going from Wigan to Liverpool. It's a MASSIVE RISK.

21stCenturySchizoidMan · « **Reply #553 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:58:20 PM »

Quote from: fizzyp on May 17, 2012, 06:46:08 PM

No mate we need someone who is proven. Look at then shit kenny got. Do you think Martinez will get more time than kenny? Take in to account if the season starts bad then. He will be fucked

Mate I am telling you , no one other than Rafa will satisfy many on here , doesn't matter how 'big' the name is. Everyone else will fall short of their expectations in some way.

Riijkard - Shite
Van Gaal = Shite
Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas= failure at Chelsea
Deschamps = Stagnated Marseille
Klopp= Unrealistic pipe dream(which is actually true)
Martinez/Rodgers= Roy Hodgson once again.
Mourinho = C*nt who doesn't get the mythical Liverpool way.

Ad infinitum

TALBERT · « **Reply #554 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:58:29 PM »

When the fuck are we renaming this club Newcastle United because this is what we have fuxking become!!!!!

sharkeyb · « **Reply #555 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:58:39 PM »

TheBombardier · « **Reply #556 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:58:50 PM »

Martinez has no proven track record at the highest level. Hodgson's CV was 100 times more impressive. Really, ask yourself, would this guy be considered for the manager's job at Real Madrid or Barcelona? No. Maybe in five to ten years if he proves he can hack it at the top but not now. You don't sack King Kenny to appoint the manager of Wigan and Swansea. That would be the ultimate insult. It is also too much of a risk when you have someone of the calibre of Rafa Benitez waiting in the wings. My god, how low are we going to sink?

bigbear · « **Reply #557 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:58:56 PM »

If it is Martinez it is as much for his media persona as anything else.

His sides do play nice football and I quite like him actually but keeping Wigan in the Prem and smiling at the cameras in adversity is a long way away from the goldfish bowl of Liverpool.

Another thought on this, if FSG had appointed Martinez in January 2011 and not Kenny and the side had performed in exactly the same way I think he'd have been proclaimed a reasonable success by FSG and given time to make things better. I really do think it is as much Kenny's media battles as the results that have caused his demise.

Tepid water · « **Reply #558 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:59:03 PM »

Quote from: Sheik_Yerbouti on May 17, 2012, 06:57:44 PM

Why the fuck should we back him ?
He's got no credentials to take the job.

It's like signing fucking Grant Holt over Fernando Llorente.

Maybe it's like Valencia signing rafa?

nevoo36 · « **Reply #559 on:** May 17, 2012, 06:59:04 PM »

Look on the bright side, our points tally next season may increase by actually beating wigan for the first time in how long?