Topic: Martinez

[21stCenturySchizoidMan]

By starting at a team better than Wigan of which there are plenty in the league, doing something there and moving up to the the top table and that is where I still see us, in name at least.

They want CL football. Well, the best way to go about that is by having the best people on board, not by gambling on a releagtion team manager.

Would Spurs, Arsenal, Man City, Man Utd or Chelsea entertain him as manager.? No and neither should we.

Juventus appointed Conte. Porto appointed Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas.  Doesn't always work that way.

[Bincey]

People on here are a joke.

That Arsene Wenger fella was dead famous when he became Arsenal manager. Oh wait...

Yeh, but he did win the French League before heading to Japan and then England.

[Chakan]

Listen, I've not said I'm jumping for joy at this announcement and there's other candidates who I hope the club consider but those saying 'fuck off' and the like is just reactionary. I just hpe the club get this appointment (whoever it is) right, otherwise I fear we'll be fucked for a long time.

The problem is we get this wrong it's going to fuck us over again. We need the correct appointment, not someone who is going to step into a job as their "big first club" job. We need someone who has been there before, who has handled top flight players, who can attract players, who can go out and get the necessary people we need to get back into a top 4 position. While Martinez might play nice football, do we really want to see if he is ready to handle a big club when we are trying to get back to being a top 4 club, and then what if he fails? We are fucked royally.

If FSG want to make their intent known go get a world class manager, do anything possible to get him, make a statement, this statement says "we have very little idea what we are doing and hopefully we don't fuck it up too badly"

[LiverpoolForever]

Wigan won 4 of their first 29 games....

On the flip side Rikjaard got relegated before he joined Barca , just imagine the reaction on here if he came to us instead.

You can only work with the players you have.

[Immoral King Brian Blessed]

All I think is we wasted half a year with Hodgson do we really want to support him and waste another season. I'd much rather just give him shit in preseason and get him gone before the season.

Has any manager ever been sacked before playing a competitive game?

You. Yes, you. You are everything that's wrong with football.

[JavierMascherano20]

Martinez

The guy sitting on the left looks a little bit like John Henry...

[stststst nicknicknicknick]

Chill the fuck out he's not manager yet

[rednich85]

He's this years Curbishley.

[Didi_ram]

Always wanted a Martinez.Not Roberto.
I hope this doesnt happen at all.26.77 % win ratio.
While they're at it,they could name it the JJB stadium.

[Luke17]

I remember after Houllier our candidates where Benitez or Mourinho.

Now they are Martinez or Rodgers 

[rocco]

Must be taking advice from the new incoming DOF ?

Thought as much

Paul Tomkins ‏@paul_tomkins
As far as I'm aware the Director of Football is already identified and presumably involved in interview process. #LFC

Wondering who know ?

[Devastatin' Dave]

How many league games did Kenny win since January? Not slating him, just saying stats can be misleading. Consider the resources Martinez worked with.

If you look at their place wage league table based on the 2010/11 accounts, they finished 1(2) place above what their wage bill would indicate.

(If Birmingham's wages were higher)

Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/9255617/Revealed-the-financial-health-of-the-Premier-League-laid-bare.html

[GinKop]

Martinez, by the way, has done well at Wigan avoiding relegation. Wigan had the smallest revenue last year, yet came 16th. Without a significant spend, they improved this season to go 15th and I think they still have got the smallest revenue. So that's five places better off than their income suggests.

Using the wrong metrics for LFC.

We should be looking at, how many competitions won, record of signings, competing against financial powerhouses.

Martinez is going to be a really good manager in the future. Not now though, not the right time or place.

[Passmaster Molby]

Paul Tomkins ‏@paul_tomkins
As far as I'm aware the Director of Football is already identified and presumably involved in interview process. #LFC

I think that may be Frank McParland.

[Scousebeef]

My worst frears are coming to light! FSG have given up, they feared possible relegation under Kenny at some point in the future and are now looking for a safe pair of hands to keep us bouncing around mid table season after season so they can use the club as their own little piggy bank! once the cash they paid for the club has been recouped over the next ten years we will be flogged off on the cheap to the next cowboys a' la Hicks & Gillette!

If this happens all we will have left is our history. A sad day a VERY sad day indeed! 


Either that or FSG have been taking advice from sir Fungus Features!!

[Hunter Thompson]

Judging by some people's reaction here, FSG are going to be charged with genocide if they appoint Martinez.

Maybe they are just interviewing him to make fun of him, like that Dinner for Schmucks film.

[Jack the Red]

Knew it! What a fuckin joke!

Im done. If he gets the job, im done.

Fuck off FSG!

Hahahaha, fucking hell.

[redmark]

All I think is we wasted half a year with Hodgson do we really want to support him and waste another season. I'd much rather just give him shit in preseason and get him gone before the season.

Has any manager ever been sacked before playing a competitive game?

And that's beyond idiotic.

[Cozzi1930]

I'd rather a bigger name to be honest, but if he  is appointed and can get us playing the football he  had Wigan playing I'm sure people will jump on the band wagon. Who ever gets the job has my full backing just hope who ever it is we can hit the ground running.

[kenny78]

Not good enough end of us if we are looking at managers of his qualty

Rafa or no one hope your listening ian ayres

[AshTJ]

Lots of people ignorant to the fact that we only finished 9 points ahead of Wigan this season, a Wigan team on a fucking shoe string budget.

[bez]

Tactically better than Kenny. Actually manages his team. Reminds me of Rafa. Kenny is too involved in supporting Liverpool. It's a great thing, but whenever we'd score he'd practically be in with the fans instead of drilling them and organising them on what to do next.

My only worry is his lack of experience. It's not the big name we hoped for but he's the best out of the smaller prospects... Lambert et al.

Saying that, Arsenal got Wenger from a Japanese team and that turned out pretty well

Yeah wengers great? He's record really stands up over the last 7 years.

[geoffstrong]

Love the mood change when people think it aint going to be Rafa,















 Whoever they appoint I will support them just not in quite the same way!

[fizzyp]

Mostly it will be people who will be pissed off about Rafa not being considered. They won't be satisfied with anyone else. 

And before I get called a Rafa 'hater' , look at my avatar and sig. And I did not just change it either.

No mate we need someone who is proven. Look at then shit kenny got. Do you think Martinez will get more time than kenny? Take in to account if the season starts bad then. He will be fucked

[robgomm]

Because it's some nobody and they don't want the negative reaction poisoning the interview process/scaring away candidates.

Or because they want to announce a new DoF and manager at the same time as TEAM WIN.

[BurstingTheNet]

not really

martinez is a young manager/coach that likes to play passing football,tries it with wigan with what are nothing but average players,even while they struggle against relegation every season he does not change his style.

Give you in interesting little thing I've just got off WhoScored. Percentage of passes that are 'short' (therefore presumably the requirement for passing football): Wigan 81% Liverpool 82%. That calculation negates any potential discrepancies that the differing abilities of players might present, as it only takes into account the tactical intentions of their side. Yeah, it's only one stat but it tells the story that getting rid of Kenny and replacing him with Martinez is not a guaranteed (or even likely) progression. Interestingly, Rafa's 'nadir' at Liverpool, exactly the same - 81%

[cox3100]

Knew it! What a fuckin joke!

Im done. If he gets the job, im done.

Fuck off FSG!

for fuck sake grow up.



just the type of support the club needs right now.


i bet you slated torres and Meireles for jumping ship and now your saying youd do the same if martinez gets the job.

doesnt loyalty mean anything to you?

[tommyLFC]

Knew it! What a fuckin joke!

Im done. If he gets the job, im done.

Fuck off FSG!

This kind of stuff really doesn't help. And is very, very premature.

[LuisLFC]

All I think is we wasted half a year with Hodgson do we really want to support him and waste another season. I'd much rather just give him shit in preseason and get him gone before the season.

Has any manager ever been sacked before playing a competitive game?

Have a word, stop being such a complete fucking knob. Shows how great of a supporter you are.

Honest Question, why not Martinez?

Apparently because he's not Benitez and he's such a downgrade to Dalglish, how? I have no idea (apart from experience), people really need to calm down, take the shades off and have a look at the possibilities with him as our next potential manager.

We need someone who's going to come in, implement tactics and a style of play (Regardless of who we play against.) and stick to it.

So many games last season we "shook up" the side to suit the team we were playing against, rather than play OUR way and let them fucking worry about it. It didn't smell of confidence one bit what so ever, who knows if Martinez or Rodgers are the ones who can implement that?

We just have to see the structure that's put in place from the top down before going off on one about any single specific role being filled. As stated what if we get in a top notch DoF who can handle and mould the squad with a manager such as Martinez in the style and way we play, nobody really has any clue what the man is like or capable of with the right backing.

[Bendomac]

[Mr Rossi]

If and its a big IF they do appoint Martinez surely to God they are goin to have to realise that they are goin to have to give him time to get things right, to build slowy and work our way up the table year by year, because if they honestly expect him to get us into the CL places in his first season then they really are a bunch of idiots who have been very poorly advised.

[Shannon]

Lots of people ignorant to the fact that we only finished 9 points ahead of Wigan this season.

Or are accepting of the fact that this years campaign was so fucking horrible that we finished 9 points ahead of Wigan and don't wish to replicate it.

[LymmRed]

Liverpool finish 37 points behind Manchester City

Wigan finish 9 points behind Liverpool

Who is the higher achiever?

[MichaelA]

IF he comes in he starts with a blank page onto which he can write a new chapter in the clubs history. Let's hope it's a glorious one.

Never a truer word, brother. IF it's Roberto, we need to see who else is brought in as DoF, and look at the coaching set up that is provided with and for him.

Some bad wools with woolly thinking posting in this thread. A few people need to take a good look at themselves. 

[Kenny Coat]

Martinez is also too 'pally' with ferguson and moyes.

Next thing you know is we will be giving our best youth players to the bitters for a few magic beans and a curly wurly.

[Tubes]

Knew it! What a fuckin joke!

Im done. If he gets the job, im done.

Fuck off FSG!

Quite ironic considering your username...

[krizzobizzle]

Its about setting a precedent with the type of people you interview. Interviewing Martinez just reeks of small time.

Bielsa, Van Gall, Guardiola, Benitez, Capello, Klopp, Unai Emery, Mazzari.

Ok some might be unrealistic but theres no doubt we have the spending power to interest the top managers in Europe ?, fuck me

Win Percentage of 26.77. Get to fuck

[Andy @ Allerton]

Martinez

Leagues won: 1 (English third division)

Cups won: 0
European games managed: 0
Clubs managed: 2 (Wigan. Swansea)


Honours: Premiership Manager of the Month award 2012




FSG are certainly aiming high. High in the sky.

[L666KOP]

No. Listen, I really, really don't want him here. I'll be livid.

We have to give him a chance if he's appointed though.

Not aimed directly at you but just FUCK OFF with this shit, I've seen all I need to see about FSG, Martinez has done a job at Wigan, no more, no less.
He's no right to be on any list of candidates we draw up for the job.
If he gets the job after all the wind and piss been spouted as regards to the calibre of our next manager by the club honestly. as I live and breathe, that's me done with football.
Complaints about comparing him to Hodgson are way off the mark as well, Hodgson has a better record.

[rocco]

Martinez

That's the  new Liverpool FC film with Werner Henry and Linda