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Who would be your choice?

Rafael Benitez
1545 (61.2%)
Andre Villas-Boas
323 (12.8%)
Fabio Capello
33 (1.3%)
Roberto Martinez
43 (1.7%)
Frank Rijkaard
13 (0.5%)
Jurgen Klopp
225 (8.9%)
Didier Deschamps
9 (0.4%)
Luis Enrique
1 (0%)
Roberto Di Matteo
6 (0.2%)
Josep Guardiola
205 (8.1%)
Brendan Rodgers
43 (1.7%)
Jurgen Klinsmann
2 (0.1%)
Marcelo Bielsa
27 (1.1%)
Other
48 (1.9%)
Lucien Favre
2 (0.1%)

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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6680 on: May 26, 2012, 09:03:38 PM »
If it's between him or Martinez I'd opt for Rodgers actually.  Decent background and spotted and taken on by Maureen (I know he's regarded as a twat on here generally but still his pedigree as a coach is up there with the best) and to be honest Swansea were the best away side I've seen play at Anfield this season - played some great footie.
Mate, how different are the playing styles of Rodgers and Martinez? Those Callaghan articles on Rodgers are quite impressive. I suspect both are not too far apart. Rodgers may be more of a specialised coach, which would perhaps suit the new structure that is being touted.
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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6681 on: May 26, 2012, 09:05:56 PM »
I'm talking about when he backed Rafa and then back tracked as soon as LMAfound out and what makes you think I give a shit about your view? Ive hated the fucker since.

so what you going to do when he is the manager then?

 
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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6682 on: May 26, 2012, 09:06:05 PM »
Mate, how different are the playing styles of Rodgers and Martinez? Those Callaghan articles on Rodgers are quite impressive. I suspect both are not too far apart. Rodgers may be more of a specialised coach, which would perhaps suit the new structure that is being touted.
Sure i read Swansea had most completed passes in premiership or something like that.

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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6683 on: May 26, 2012, 09:06:17 PM »
Anyway apologises to Vork and Geoff for getting snotty, I hate Martinez and my blood boils thinking he'll manage us.

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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6684 on: May 26, 2012, 09:07:44 PM »
Is the new DOF helping to pick the manager? Surely thats the only way this will work?
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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6685 on: May 26, 2012, 09:09:13 PM »
My concern with Rodgers is he has taken a system already in place and has run with it, would he have the ability to create that system from scratch?

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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6686 on: May 26, 2012, 09:09:21 PM »
Is the new DOF helping to pick the manager? Surely thats the only way this will work?


I'd hope so. It wouldn't do a lot for my confidence if he weren't.
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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6687 on: May 26, 2012, 09:09:59 PM »
Also wouldve worked with Clarke?

Yep forgot about that.

Mate, how different are the playing styles of Rodgers and Martinez? Those Callaghan articles on Rodgers are quite impressive. I suspect both are not too far apart. Rodgers may be more of a specialised coach, which would perhaps suit the new structure that is being touted.

Probably not, but Rodgers Swansea really impressed me this term, and not just at Anfield.  Watched them a few times and tactics mean that generally his side make full use of the width.  And for a so called 'lower' team keep the ball generally.  This is the difference for me re styles of play.  Yep towards the end of the season Wigan obviously raised the game and played some good stuff.  But Swansea were consistent through the season, no mean feat considering they were one of the fav's to drop back down.  Plus obviously 'apprenticeship' wise Rodgers learned under Maureen and worked alongside Clark as mentioned in a successful Chelsea set up.

Fuck I can't believe I'm arguing the merits of Martinez and Rodgers.  I'm off for a drink

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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6688 on: May 26, 2012, 09:10:22 PM »
so what you going to do when he is the manager then?

 
Well if you cant change something you have to accept it, still hopefull Rogers gets it though (assuming were going the way of DOF and manager).

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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6689 on: May 26, 2012, 09:11:19 PM »
My concern with Rodgers is he has taken a system already in place and has run with it, would he have the ability to create that system from scratch?

Don't think he had time at Reading, but how did his Watford team play?
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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6690 on: May 26, 2012, 09:11:25 PM »
My concern with Rodgers is he has taken a system already in place and has run with it, would he have the ability to create that system from scratch?

Don't think he did that all. He implemented his own system at Swansea.
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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6691 on: May 26, 2012, 09:11:41 PM »
My concern with Rodgers is he has taken a system already in place and has run with it, would he have the ability to create that system from scratch?

But he wouldn't be in my view.  Generally last season we kept the ball well and created tons of chances.  Just couldn't finish on too many ocassions.

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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6692 on: May 26, 2012, 09:13:07 PM »
My concern with Rodgers is he has taken a system already in place and has run with it, would he have the ability to create that system from scratch?
Thought Swansea was his system?

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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6693 on: May 26, 2012, 09:17:00 PM »
Dont have a vast knowledge of Rodgers, anyone fancy pointing me in the direction of some articles/posts that detail him a bit?
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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6694 on: May 26, 2012, 09:17:37 PM »
Thought Swansea was his system?

he followed Martinez similar styles maybe Rogers is more pleasing on the eye, they out passed and moved us at Anfield, they needed a clinical finisher much like us
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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6695 on: May 26, 2012, 09:17:54 PM »
But he wouldn't be in my view.  Generally last season we kept the ball well and created tons of chances.  Just couldn't finish on too many ocassions.

I don't agree with that at all. Far too often our defenders were defending deep resulting in the likes of Carroll being isolated and having to drop deep to get a touch of the ball. Admitedly the loss of Lucas didn't help so maybe we dropped deeper to compensate for that loss but if you have a footballing principle you play it regardless of hiccups and all too often we lost our shape and momentum. Saying our only problem was a lack of a finisher is missing the woods for the trees.

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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6696 on: May 26, 2012, 09:19:09 PM »
Dont have a vast knowledge of Rodgers, anyone fancy pointing me in the direction of some articles/posts that detail him a bit?
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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6697 on: May 26, 2012, 09:19:16 PM »
Thought Swansea was his system?

It was. It's a system based on zonal pressing and defending through possession. Not the same as Martinez's "system," although RM probably left him a squad decently suited to his system. BR deserves tons of credit for Swansea's success and the way they play. He's not riding RM's coattails at all.
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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6698 on: May 26, 2012, 09:19:35 PM »
But he wouldn't be in my view.  Generally last season we kept the ball well and created tons of chances.  Just couldn't finish on too many ocassions.
Exactly. Ive no doubts that if Kenny had stayed we'd challenge top 4 this coming season and with one or 2 additions (ok possibly 4) we'd have got it. Carroll has only just started playing for us. Suarez would be even better and play all season (hopefully). Lucas would be back. Hopefully less of Carra more of Coates if Skrtel or Agger are injured.  No way would we have hit the woodwork as much. Surely Downing could do a finnan (very poor his first season but quality from there on in) So many things were there and just needed tweaking and Kenny couldve done it.

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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6699 on: May 26, 2012, 09:19:49 PM »
Wasn't Kenny advising them on the manager?
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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6700 on: May 26, 2012, 09:19:53 PM »
Dont have a vast knowledge of Rodgers, anyone fancy pointing me in the direction of some articles/posts that detail him a bit?

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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6701 on: May 26, 2012, 09:19:56 PM »
Don't think he did that all. He implemented his own system at Swansea.

I'm pretty sure what spider-neil is saying is Swansea's footballing blueprint had already been established in terms of their philosophy and preferred formation. Rodgers obviously has put his own mark on the team but he didn't create it.
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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6702 on: May 26, 2012, 09:21:23 PM »
he followed Martinez similar styles maybe Rogers is more pleasing on the eye, they out passed and moved us at Anfield, they needed a clinical finisher much like us


Not seen too much of Swansea last season. Do his teams mix their play up at all? Do you think that his pass and move style would get the best out of Carroll?
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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6703 on: May 26, 2012, 09:23:39 PM »
I don't agree with that at all. Far too often our defenders were defending deep resulting in the likes of Carroll being isolated and having to drop deep to get a touch of the ball. Admitedly the loss of Lucas didn't help so maybe we dropped deeper to compensate for that loss but if you have a footballing principle you play it regardless of hiccups and all too often we lost our shape and momentum. Saying our only problem was a lack of a finisher is missing the woods for the trees.

Well we'll agree to disagree then.  I didn't say all season, I said generally.  We bossed most games, certainly up to and including Arsenal at home.  In fact many of the arguments put forward as to why Dalglish should have got another year was the fact that our football was good to watch.  I've a seas ticket but also get to a good few aways and up until Arsenal we'd about 3 or 4 bad games all season.  I think we've the personnel there, esp with Lucas coming back in, to play the sort of footie Rodgers may want.

And watching England at the mo, which is no yardstick of greatness granted, but if our players where such disasters last season four are now on the pitch, inc the much maligned Carrol, Downing and Henderson.

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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6704 on: May 26, 2012, 09:25:10 PM »
So, as someone who knows little about either Rodgers or Martinez, on the one hand I am getting that Martinez set up the system at Swansea but left before reaping the benefits and then set up the system at Wigan. And on the other hand I am hearing that Rodgers set up his own system at Swansea. So if these two are indeed the front runners I have no idea who to 'route' for.

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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6705 on: May 26, 2012, 09:26:08 PM »

Not seen too much of Swansea last season. Do his teams mix their play up at all? Do you think that his pass and move style would get the best out of Carroll?

No they don't really mix it up to be honest. Lots of passing the ball, sometimes with very little penetration, but Rodgers has said that they use possession as chance to have a breather. They play with a target man but he is technically superior to Carroll and is far more mobile. I don't see Carroll fitting in with Rodgers' Swansea but he might have different ideas for Liverpool.
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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6706 on: May 26, 2012, 09:27:57 PM »
I think they're aiming for the exact opposite. Not a strong DoF in lieu of a strong Manager, but two strong, competent men with the good of the club in mind working together to optimize the club's efficiency and potential. If one leaves (DoF or Manager) we've still got the other to fall back on and keep the ship sailing while we find a replacement for the departed.

I don't think that's their dream at all. What you're arguing is that they're in it for the ego which is not the sense I get. I simply think they believe a system based on the group, meritocracy of ideas, and a common vision is stronger than a system relying solely on one man. They're not the first to come up with the idea; it exists all over the world in business and sport. They may put their own spin on it, but it's hardly Galileo or Einstein revolutionizing a flawed system.

You're posts are very optimistic (maybe too optimistic) but at the end of the day, we are ALL second guessing here. Only difference is the majority of the fans are not too sure if FSG's plan would work as intended.

For all you know Rafa would be signing a 5yr deal tom as DoF.

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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6707 on: May 26, 2012, 09:28:41 PM »
Well we'll agree to disagree then.  I didn't say all season, I said generally.  We bossed most games, certainly up to and including Arsenal at home.  In fact many of the arguments put forward as to why Dalglish should have got another year was the fact that our football was good to watch.  I've a seas ticket but also get to a good few aways and up until Arsenal we'd about 3 or 4 bad games all season.  I think we've the personnel there, esp with Lucas coming back in, to play the sort of footie Rodgers may want.

And watching England at the mo, which is no yardstick of greatness granted, but if our players where such disasters last season four are now on the pitch, inc the much maligned Carrol, Downing and Henderson.

Basically I thought the football we played in Kenny's first six months was fantastic and we failed to build on that the next season. There are a number of reasons, and yes, we were fantastic at times last season (especially in the cups) but I thought we flattered to decieve a lot of times and the sea of 'chances' we created weren't as good as they could have been.

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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6708 on: May 26, 2012, 09:30:16 PM »
No they don't really mix it up to be honest. Lots of passing the ball, sometimes with very little penetration, but Rodgers has said that they use possession as chance to have a breather. They play with a target man but he is technically superior to Carroll and is far more mobile. I don't see Carroll fitting in with Rodgers' Swansea but he might have different ideas for Liverpool.

I don't think Carroll has shown how techincal and mobile he can be, yet.

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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6709 on: May 26, 2012, 09:31:47 PM »
So, as someone who knows little about either Rodgers or Martinez, on the one hand I am getting that Martinez set up the system at Swansea but left before reaping the benefits and then set up the system at Wigan. And on the other hand I am hearing that Rodgers set up his own system at Swansea. So if these two are indeed the front runners I have no idea who to 'route' for.

Martinez got the ball rolling at Swansea without doubt. The style, the setup, the type of players that were scouted, it started with him.
The chairman deserves a lot of credit for maintaining continuity by hiring managers who matched the clubs identity. Sousa improved on Martinez's work. Brendan improved on Sousa. The club have on a up for the past six years but that's down to good structure rather than their football managers imo.

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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6710 on: May 26, 2012, 09:34:16 PM »
No they don't really mix it up to be honest. Lots of passing the ball, sometimes with very little penetration, but Rodgers has said that they use possession as chance to have a breather. They play with a target man but he is technically superior to Carroll and is far more mobile. I don't see Carroll fitting in with Rodgers' Swansea but he might have different ideas for Liverpool.

Couple of months ago I'd have agreed with this.  But in the last month or so of the season Carroll has really come on and looked the part, and his touch has much improved.  I certainly wouldn't sell him at this point.

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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6711 on: May 26, 2012, 09:34:22 PM »
Martinez got the ball rolling at Swansea without doubt. The style, the setup, the type of players that were scouted, it started with him.
The chairman deserves a lot of credit for maintaining continuity by hiring managers who matched the clubs identity. Sousa improved on Martinez's work. Brendan improved on Sousa. The club have on a up for the past six years but that's down to good structure rather than their football managers imo.



so, Rodgers or Martinez?

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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6712 on: May 26, 2012, 09:34:24 PM »
I don't think Carroll has shown how techincal and mobile he can be, yet.

Graham's touch is superb, and he has the mobility that Torres used to have, in that he is able to keep the entire back line busy with his movement.
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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6713 on: May 26, 2012, 09:34:40 PM »
Just got a text from a mate saying that he was in the shitter
in his local bar in Belfast and got earywigging 2 aul lads talking
bout Brendan Rodgers and one claiming to be his Granda. He heard
the fella say that his Grandson has always been fond of Liverpool
and has always dreamt of taking the over..but was astonished
that Rafa Benitez had no been approached.

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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6714 on: May 26, 2012, 09:36:47 PM »
You're posts are very optimistic (maybe too optimistic) but at the end of the day, we are ALL second guessing here. Only difference is the majority of the fans are not too sure if FSG's plan would work as intended.

For all you know Rafa would be signing a 5yr deal tom as DoF.

I don't think I've ever claimed to know what's going on behind the scenes. I'm pretty sure I've stated that in numerous posts prior to this. However, I can make educated hypotheses as to their intentions based on the actions they've taken thus far and their history in other sports. I don't know if it will work as they intend, but I think there are reasons to be optimistic about the structure they're looking to implement. This probably comes down to the fact that I believe this structure is naturally stronger than the traditional English one, but that's all opinion in the long run. I do believe I have solid and rational reasoning behind my beliefs, though, and I've seen other posters whose opinions I respect greatly echo my thoughts.
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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6715 on: May 26, 2012, 09:36:51 PM »
My concern with Rodgers is he has taken a system already in place and has run with it, would he have the ability to create that system from scratch?

He was hopeless at Reading.
If its a case of pick the latest flavour of the month why arent people mentioning Macdermott at Reading now? He got Reading promoted with a side that Rodgers was on the brink of getting relegated when he was there.
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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
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Just got a text from a mate saying that he was in the shitter
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bout Brendan Rodgers and one claiming to be his Granda. He heard
the fella say that his Grandson has always been fond of Liverpool
and has always dreamt of taking the over..but was astonished
that Rafa Benitez had no been approached.

Make of it what u will..


What i''d make of that is that if he was in the shitter then you're probably lucky he didn't phone instead.
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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6717 on: May 26, 2012, 09:39:51 PM »
Graham's touch is superb, and he has the mobility that Torres used to have, in that he is able to keep the entire back line busy with his movement.

I haven't seen Graham so I can't comment but that bit of skill from Carroll vs N'Castle was incredible. He wins a header, knocks it through a defenders legs and then powers towards goal leaving the Newcastle defenders in his wake. Okay the dive/trip was comical but the skill and power leading up to it...
Carroll can play in any system and make it work if he puts his mind to it.

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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6718 on: May 26, 2012, 09:40:48 PM »
He was hopeless and Reading.
If its a case of pick the latest flavour of the month why arent people mentioning Macdermott at Reading now? He got Reading promoted with a side that Rodgers was on the brink of getting relegated when he was there.

Rodgers only managed at Reading for a few months.  He left in December so hardly left them on the brink of relegation when half the season was left. 

Anyway after that he obviously went onto better things.

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Re: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?
« Reply #6719 on: May 26, 2012, 09:41:27 PM »
Just got a text from a mate saying that he was in the shitter
in his local bar in Belfast and got earywigging 2 aul lads talking
bout Brendan Rodgers and one claiming to be his Granda. He heard
the fella say that his Grandson has always been fond of Liverpool
and has always dreamt of taking the over..but was astonished
that Rafa Benitez had no been approached.

Make of it what u will..

In the shitter chatting shit.
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