Topic: Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?

[higuaintolfc]

Hey, look there is even a video
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/la-liga/9231922/Pep-Guardiola-quits-Barcelona-I-am-worn-down-I-need-a-break.html

but sure he hasn't said no to us has he?

Yes we know he wanted a break and this was said last month way before the sacking of Kenny. I see no quotes there of him saying "I don't want to manage Liverpool."

[gazzalfc]

Jose Mourinho has signed a new contract at Madrid keeping him there til 2016 so he's not one of the 12

[rafathegaffa83]

No contact with Capello according to ESPN and Deschamps hasn't been approached.

No contact with Capello or Deschamps
May 22, 2012

By ESPN staff and Harry Harris, Football Correspondent

Liverpool have had no contact with either Fabio Capello or Didier Deschamps, according to ESPN sources on Tuesday lunchtime.

Speculation had been growing that Capello was wanted by Fenway Sports Group as the successor to Dalglish, with contacts close to the former England coach claiming he had been approached.

However, ESPN has been told that there has been no official contact with Capello and that there has also been no approach for Marseille boss Didier Deschamps.

Roberto Martinez has been given permission to speak to Liverpool by his club Wigan, while Brendan Rodgers of Swansea City turned down the chance to meet with Anfield representatives. Borussia Dortmund boss Jurgen Klopp and Ajax manager Frank de Boer have been appraoched but will stay with their current clubs.

Andre Villas-Boas has also held meetings with Liverpool and is on the list of managers due speak to have a second interview, and it is expected that they will be joined by at least one other candidate. FSG is yet to meet any prospective new manager, with managing director Ian Ayre conducting the initial stages of the recruitment process.

A source told ESPN: "The long list of candidates is now narrowing down to a workable number who are likely to go to Boston, although there is of course a chance that the owners will come over here to see the candidates."

It was reported that an agent representing Liverpool did approach Capello before the Champions League final to enquire as to his interest in the position, and that he had since held preliminary talks, at which he expressed a desire to be considered.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1076297/no-liverpool-contact-with-fabio-capello-or-didier-deschamps?cc=5901

[myliverbird]

I would have thought him saying he wants a year long break from football as saying no to everyone

[El Pistolero_7]

Not sure where the Capello plays boring football comes from, it was just 2 seasons at Real Madrid who don't forget were moaning about Mourinho's boring football last season and at the start of this season (that's record breaking real madrid as well).
Capello's Roma team was one of the great teams, albeit only for one season they played 3-4-3 and were absolutely brilliant entertainment, and that at a time when Serie A was at it's height in terms of quality of players at clubs (Lazio won the scudetto before, Inter had vast swathes of talent as did Milan and Juventus).

Edit: infact, zonalmarking probably do a better job than me here - http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/02/09/teams-of-the-decade-10-roma-2000-01/

That team was awesome.

[higuaintolfc]

Jose Mourinho has signed a new contract at Madrid keeping him there til 2016 so he's not one of the 12

He was never in contention anyway. I don't think anyone thought Mourinho would come here this year.

[PJLFC1]

Thought that myself. How you can compare Martinez with some of the names being branded round: Capello, Rafa, Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas, Klopp and de Boer.

Klopp: Won league titles in Germany and won domestic trophies in a seemingly all conquering Dortmund side. Also has a great eye for a player whilst working on a budget: discovered Kagawa, Piszczek, Lewandowski and Subotic whilst there. Also bedded through youth with players such a Gotze. With Piczeck in particular, he took an average right winger/centre forward and made him into a world class right back. His Dortmund side play dynamic attacking football which is great to watch.

de Boer: Won league titles in Holland. Another young manager who likes to promote youth. Plays 4-3-3 and works in a great structure at Ajax with his brother and Bergkamp. Really exciting manager although I can't see him progressing in Europe with Ajax, but he is a very good manager. A winner.

Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas: Great tactician however his time at Chelsea cannot go unnoticed but alot of the time some of the things that went on where out of his hands. Youngest ever manager to win a European trophy, won the league undefeated with Porto, likes to play 4-3-3 and a high line. Play attacking football but again he has won league titles.

Rafa and Capello: Although Rafa and Capello are a bit older, they both are one thing: winners. Nothing can be said about Rafa and Capello that we already don't know but between them they 12 league titles between them (3 for Rafa and 9 for Capello), 5 european trophies between them (1 CL each, 1 Supercup each and Rafa has a UEFA cup), and they also have 9 domestic trophies between them. We must be mad to not even consider them.

Martinez doesn't even compare to the other candidates they have sounded out. He is the odd one out, every other manager has won league titles.

Totally agree , getting worried now though if honest .

[Suarez 7]

Yes we know he wanted a break and this was said last month way before the sacking of Kenny. I see no quotes there of him saying "I don't want to manage Liverpool."

I think him saying he is taking a year out pretty much means he wont be managing anyone during that year. Why would he come out and say "I wont be managing Liverpool" Why would he have to come out and state the obvious.

Thats like claiming Whiskey nose is in the running because he hasnt come out and said he wont be managing Liverpool next season

[higuaintolfc]

I would have thought him saying he wants a year long break from football as saying no to everyone

Yes because there wasn't any jobs that interested him free, maybe managing us interests him?

http://thekop.liverpoolfc.tv/_A-chat-with-Barca-boss-Pep-Guardiola/blog/3381736/173471.html

[higuaintolfc]

I think him saying he is taking a year out pretty much means he wont be managing anyone during that year. Why would he come out and say "I wont be managing Liverpool" Why would he have to come out and state the obvious.

Thats like claiming Whiskey nose is in the running because he hasnt come out and said he wont be managing Liverpool next season

Don't be stupid. Ferguson hates LFC, we hate Ferguson. Pep likes LFC, we like Pep. Ferguson is 70 years old. Pep is 41.

[myliverbird]

You are either on a wind up, under 15 years of age or seriously delusional.

[PJLFC1]

  Has Stuart Pearce been mentioned

[.Mike]

Totally agree , getting worried now though if honest .

Me too. Just that I can't see them going for him mainly as he doesn't seem to fit their criteria of being a winner.

Frank Rijkaard, Michael Laudrup, Laurent Blanc, Guus Hiddink,  Louis Van Gaal and Dider Deschamps are the newish names mentioned in that Echo article. Everyone of them has won the league. Bit of a common theme, no?

[Suarez 7]

Don't be stupid.

Oh the irony.

[myliverbird]

Oh the irony.

And coming from a guy who's username is higuaintolfc and thinks Pep Guardiola could still take the job.

[higuaintolfc]

Oh the irony.

Says the guy who believes the 70 year old manc Ferguson has as much a chance of managing LFC as 41 year old Pep whom has said in the past likes LFC.

[lionel_messias]

Yes because there wasn't any jobs that interested him free, maybe managing us interests him?

http://thekop.liverpoolfc.tv/_A-chat-with-Barca-boss-Pep-Guardiola/blog/3381736/173471.html

You're clutching at straws my friend. Is Pep also going to turn down the Aston Villa job, is he going to make it clear he is not interested in taking charge of Spurs?

Guardiola is in a fairly unique position; he's had fantastic success helming the almighty, well-oiled La Masia machine of Barcelona. No-one can take that away from him but his next move will be crucial, he'll want a well funded, quite possibly Spanish set-up to go to.

But aside from the all that guff, the guy is taking a break for a year! Simple as.

[rafathegaffa83]

Some recent tweets by Tariq Panja. He writes about football for Bloomberg media. He notably provided extensive coverage of the Hicks and Gillett court case and the ownership change.

23m tariq panja tariq panja ‏@tariqpanja
My understanding of #LFC recruitment process so far: Ayre whitling down long list for candidates to meet owners. Henry not met anyone yet

tariq panja ‏@tariqpanja

LFC recruitment 2: Redknapp rumour seems to be just that. Not among possibles. Capello not v likely either

[higuaintolfc]

And coming from a guy who's username is higuaintolfc and thinks Pep Guardiola could still take the job.

My username doesn't mean anything, I couldn't of anything at the time. Pep has yet to rule himself out, I'm not saying he'll take the job but I'm also not saying he has publically denied LFC like you are.

[Y2J]

Some recent tweets by Tariq Panja. He writes about football for Bloomberg media. He notably provided extensive coverage of the Hicks and Gillett court case and the ownership change.

That is worrying because Ayre knows fuck all about football. My 16 year old brother knows about football more than him.

[hollger]

Personally I find all this talk of Guardiola ridiculous, he's not coming.

Just because he hasn't ruled himself out specifically doesn't mean a thing - the man left Barcelona for a break. You don't just step away from one of the best & biggest clubs in the world, a club that's in your DNA, and a few weeks later step into the hot seat somewhere else. If he didn't feel he needed a break, he'd have carried on at Barca.

[Adeemo]

That team was awesome.

Not as good as his original Milan "invincibles" or his 1st Real team that featured players like Hierro, Sanchez, Roberto Carlos, Seedorf, Redondo, Suker, Mijatovic and Raul.

[higuaintolfc]

Personally I find all this talk of Guardiola ridiculous, he's not coming.

Just because he hasn't ruled himself out specifically doesn't mean a thing - the man left Barcelona for a break. You don't just step away from one of the best & biggest clubs in the world, a club that's in your DNA, and a few weeks later step into the hot seat somewhere else. If he didn't feel he needed a break, he'd have carried on at Barca.

Or he needed a break from Barca. He may well take a year long break and may sign a pre contract with us for next year. Which is why I find the Capello link intruiging.

[lionel_messias]

Not as good as his original Milan "invincibles" or his 1st Real team that featured players like Hierro, Sanchez, Roberto Carlos, Seedorf, Redondo, Suker, Mijatovic and Raul.

Capello has been awesome in his career but if England was anything to go by, he'd come in (for a hefty price) piss a few people off, glare at the media and then bugger off if the going got tough; he's far from a young manager trying to prove himself imo; if that is what FSG are after.

[higuaintolfc]

Capello has been awesome in his career but if England was anything to go by, he'd come in (for a hefty price) piss a few people off, glare at the media and then bugger off if the going got tough; he's far from a young manager trying to prove himself imo; if that is what FSG are after.

He wouldn't put his reputation on the line like that just to fuck off. Capello doesn't like failure, he's one of the greatest club managers of all time. If he came here then that means there is money available otherwise he wouldn't bother. Capello + money = big success.

[Y2J]

Whoever thinks Pep is coming to Anfield needs a reality check.

[Adeemo]

Capello has been awesome in his career but if England was anything to go by, he'd come in (for a hefty price) piss a few people off, glare at the media and then bugger off if the going got tough; he's far from a young manager trying to prove himself imo; if that is what FSG are after.

Would be be his final job in football and a chance to create one of the all-time great managerial CVs in the history of the game. League titles in Italy, Spain and England would be a remarkable achievement. It might seem a ridiculous aspiration to win the title with Liverpool but great men believe in their ability 100%, and to finally revive this legendary fallen giant is almost the ultimate job in football.

[myliverbird]

Whoever thinks Pep is coming to Anfield needs a reality check.

and a straight jacket. Ballbag has just said on SSN - 'he's on holiday, leave him alone for a year'

[Kochevnik]

That is worrying because Ayre knows fuck all about football. My 16 year old brother knows about football more than him.

Honest question: if we end up with a management team of Segura, Beguiristain, and Villas Boas, would you complain?

[Adeemo]

Honest question: if we end up with a management team of Segura, Beguiristain, and Villas Boas, would you complain?

Anyone not willing to give that combination a fair crack of the whip, would really not be worth listening to.

[Dowling10]

and a straight jacket. Ballbag has just said on SSN - 'he's on holiday, leave him alone for a year'

Haha ballbag. Tickled me that.

[lionel_messias]

Would be be his final job in football and a chance to create one of the all-time great managerial CVs in the history of the game. League titles in Italy, Spain and England would be a remarkable achievement. It might seem a ridiculous aspiration to win the title with Liverpool but great men believe in their ability 100%, and to finally revive this legendary fallen giant is almost the ultimate job in football.

Is one way to spin it! Unless he had £75 million+ to spend, he'd still have to do it with Stewart Downing etc

[GBF]

Honest question: if we end up with a management team of Segura, Beguiristain, and Villas Boas, would you complain?

a group of good individuals does not mean it will be a success and those individuals may not share each others methods. 

[Barefoot Doctor]

Honest question: if we end up with a management team of Segura, Beguiristain, and Villas Boas, would you complain?

Mouth watering combination there. Few signings (LW, centre mid, striker and defender) and Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas utilising his Porto formation, we should be a force to be reckoned with.

a group of good individuals does not mean it will be a success and those individuals may not share each others methods.

Isn't the whole point of the structure that we'd make sure the people involved do share each others methods?

[Kochevnik]

Not sure where the Capello plays boring football comes from, it was just 2 seasons at Real Madrid who don't forget were moaning about Mourinho's boring football last season and at the start of this season (that's record breaking real madrid as well).
Capello's Roma team was one of the great teams, albeit only for one season they played 3-4-3 and were absolutely brilliant entertainment, and that at a time when Serie A was at it's height in terms of quality of players at clubs (Lazio won the scudetto before, Inter had vast swathes of talent as did Milan and Juventus).

Edit: infact, zonalmarking probably do a better job than me here - http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/02/09/teams-of-the-decade-10-roma-2000-01/

Just thinking about how we could approximate a side like that, we could go:

Reina

Kelly  Skrtel  Agger
Johnson  --  --  --  --  --  --  --  Enrique

Henderson  --  Lucas

Gerrard

Suarez  --  Carroll

which would somewhat approximate the side he had back then.  I don't know if Henderson would really be the player we'd want in that position, but I think he would definitely suit it better than Adam.  The other position of concern is that Carroll would need to start scoring some goals, or we'd need another option in that position.  Perhaps the rumours of a Luuk de Jong could come to fruition, and he'd have a chance to make that position his own.  I think we'd want another quality CB, in all honesty, if we were to try this.  Coates could cover well for Skrtel in the centre, and Carra would fit into Kelly's slot well, but we don't really have another player other than Agger capable of playing on the left side of defense, and he's always an injury concern.

So, a left-footed capable backup CB, a striker and a CM option, and we could probably make something like that work pretty well.

[myliverbird]

I must admit I'd be slightly worried by the roles being spilt into two or three other positions as has been suggested. Let's say for example you have Begiristain, Segura, Ayre and then one of Rafa/Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas/Martinez whoever is manager really. If it works, it works well and we have no problems. However if things start going wrong the potential for back stabbing and finger pointing amongst them four is big you must admit.

[rafathegaffa83]

I think the fact ESPN has produced conflicting stories about Capello in the last 12 hours proves none of them knows what is going on. Seems to be that the media are throwing names around like mud and seeing what sticks. A name generates hits, and when that person comes out to deny any interest for a job they weren't approached for that generates hits too.

[Kochevnik]

I must admit I'd be slightly worried by the roles being spilt into two or three other positions as has been suggested. Let's say for example you have Begiristain, Segura, Ayre and then one of Rafa/Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas/Martinez whoever is manager really. If it works, it works well and we have no problems. However if things start going wrong the potential for back stabbing and finger pointing amongst them four is big you must admit.

I fully agree, and this is one of the reasons I prefer Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas to Rafa.  Villas Boas will come here a bit humbled, in all likelihood, from his Chelsea experience, and if he feels that the rest of the team is competent should fit into a team endeavour.  I worry that Rafa would not - it will go well for a period, and then there will be a very public conflict.

Not to say I wouldn't be happy to see Rafa return, because I would much rather him than several of the mentioned candidates, but if I were the owners this would be a serious concern, given Rafa's history of falling out with the ownership/management at all of his clubs (admittedly, usually justifiably).

[OLDIE]

I must admit I'd be slightly worried by the roles being spilt into two or three other positions as has been suggested. Let's say for example you have Begiristain, Segura, Ayre and then one of Rafa/Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas/Martinez whoever is manager really. If it works, it works well and we have no problems. However if things start going wrong the potential for back stabbing and finger pointing amongst them four is big you must admit.

Back stabbing goes on even if there are only two people involved.

I agree though it could be a bit of a nightmare I dread to think what is going through the minds of our leaders just now 

[GBF]

Isn't the whole point of the structure that we'd make sure the people involved do share each others methods?

would hope so but it is chicken and egg at the moment as all the key areas are vacant.  A lot of people bullshit their way through interviews in order to get the job specially if they want improve their CVs and income