Topic: FSG got it right/FSG got it wrong. All circular arguments here.

[sambhi92]

Go back. I said we'd jumped out of the fat into the fire. I kept schtum ever since for the sake of unity. Don't be stupid lad. They got the club for fuck all. They've invested next to bugger all. They won't. They'll say the stadium is our spiritual home or some such shit. They'll sell it as soon as their banker friends tell them the market is right and they can make a few quid. They are corporate raiders, no better than H&G. If people can't see that, it's not my job to make them open their eyes. I warned about this. I've done my bit. I'm finished.

Mate while i saw your 1st post, i read and really thought about my own view on things.

Im a fan from London, and my shout about Liverpool as much as i can, defend them as much as i can, i love Liverpool so much, i got SOOO ripped from all my work lot when he got the sack, but i do think you may be a little harsh on FSG, my view, give then 3 more years, we'll see where we are and make a choice from there.

I just hope Rafa is given another chance, he started a good job, let him finish it.

[CraigDS]

Go back. I said we'd jumped out of the fat into the fire. I kept schtum ever since for the sake of unity. Don't be stupid lad. They got the club for fuck all. They've invested next to bugger all. They won't. They'll say the stadium is our spiritual home or some such shit. They'll sell it as soon as their banker friends tell them the market is right and they can make a few quid. They are corporate raiders, no better than H&G. If people can't see that, it's not my job to make them open their eyes. I warned about this. I've done my bit. I'm finished.

So you're ignoring the fact they have put money in.

Also, they've yet to 'raid' their other sports businesses. In fact they invested over £200m in the 'spiritual home' of the Red Sox.

[cornelius]

And anyway, when they came out and said they want the club to run off its own income everyone loved the idea. We don't want a sugar daddy, we want to live by our own means, etc. etc. Now its a stick to beat them with.

That is fair enough but we're not using it as a stick to beat them with, we're saying it seems totally unfair (and a little bit ludicrous) of them to sack the manager for not getting 4th when they've put little of their money on the table. If they expect us to be in the top 4 consistently simply by trading players then they must be out of their minds, which is the point I was trying to make to you yesterday.

[hide5seek]

They are here for the money. They have 2 options : grow the company or fail to grow the company and look to flip it on for profit anyway.

Sacking kenny now proves they are on a very aggressive, short term path to growing the company. It's CL or bust for them. They aren't interested in people or what the supporters think. They are only trying to maximise their return.

They're gambling it all that someone can come along and get more out of the current players. If this doesn't work this year, watch them stop all further investment in the club while they look to flog it at a mark-up.

They are a money-makers and they won't pour good money after bad if it's not working.

I personally would be pleased to see them and their kind as far away from the club as possible.

I think your right but hope your wrong.

[Camarero25]

Personally, I think there were a number of legitimate reasons for Kenny to go.

Whether or not it's the right decision very much depends on who they appoint next, because if they get the wrong man the fans will really start to turn on them. Only time will tell I suppose, but I'm willing to see what their next move is before I castigate them.

[kcbworth]

They are here for the money. They have 2 options : grow the company or fail to grow the company and look to flip it on for profit anyway.

Sacking kenny now proves they are on a very aggressive, short term path to growing the company. It's CL or bust for them. They aren't interested in people or what the supporters think. They are only trying to maximise their return.

They're gambling it all that someone can come along and get more out of the current players. If this doesn't work this year, watch them stop all further investment in the club while they look to flog it at a mark-up.

They are a money-makers and they won't pour good money after bad if it's not working.

I personally would be pleased to see them and their kind as far away from the club as possible.

I've heard that a heap of times and have no idea how people come to that conclusion.

Fact: We were nowhere near competing for the title
Conclusion: Owners only want CL.

Here's a different conclusion... owners want to be competing for the title?

[boots]

I respect their ruthlessness. No man is bigger than the club. Even KK but i don't believe it was the right decision. However i say that from my heart. My head tells me it may have been tough love. I'm just glad i don't have to make those kind of decisions. I'd have given him another season.

[montysmum]

I think FSG on the matter of manager have got it right. I know that will not sit well with most on here but the blinkers are off.
T
hey have not been rash, they have allowed Kenny a season in which he has not moved us forward one bit and the players bought have failed. People on here claimed from when we won the League Cup that the games meant nothing, how wrong could one be. If Kenny had shown any sort of improvement in that time he may still have a job. Instead we were ran over by bottom of the league teams, showing no fight or desire. That was Kenny’s main selling point he was a good man manger.

I think the players need to look at themselves also. I know on here people do not like to be critical but a significant number of our regular starters have been very poor. Pepe and Stevie to name two.

I know it’s said a lot but there would be no discussion required about this sacking if it was any other manager.  FSG have took that stance, and like me have seen nothing to suggest Kenny can progress us. People may live in hope and dream that Kenny can but when you look at the way we have been since Christmas there is not one bit of evidence that he can.

I am defending FSG on this matter alone, and do not want to discuss other issues relating to them as we can all agree that they have alot to prove.

So lets hope they make another right decision in who they employ next.

Have they got it right or wrong?  Monumentally wrong!

They have fucked about with the club from day one and now what are we left with?

No Manager -

After a single season, taking over a club in crisis, with divisions and splits, after improving the strength of the squad, taking us to our first cup win in 6 years, the FA Cup final and back into Europe, we have no manager.  Sacked by people sitting over in Boston who didnt even know the shape of a 'soccer ball' a couple of years ago.  Disgusting.

No DoF

Like the concept or not Comolli was appointed on the say so of a friend of a friend, despite the fact that the concept has never managed to be successful at any club in the Prem.  We are now told that they are going to stick with the idea, but who is now looking at players to bring in in the Summer window?

No Head of Medics -

Don't know what this fella did wrong, obviously didnt come up to their high standards.

No Director of Communications -

Sacked, probably as a result of the Suarez affair, which left Kenny out on his own high and dry trying to support a player under attack.  yet another position that needs to be filled in the next few weeks.

No Chief Executive -

The club has been crying out for someone locally based, at the club on a daily basis, running things and acting as a go between between the club and the owners.  They have totally disregarded this need and done nothing to fill the void it leaves.

No Stadium -

No nearer getting a new stadium than we were when David Moores owned us.  Laughable

So now they have to look to fill 5 or 6 positions this Summer and in the meantime who is going round and talking to players to bring in.  With the Euro's just round the corner, who's handling all the negotiating, because any player that puts on a decent show in this comp will go up in price and have more stable clubs going after them too.

The club, once again is a shambles and while I am grateful to the owners for getting shut of the crippling debt given to us by the last lot that does not mean I owe them any gratitude for how they are handling things.

[CraigDS]

That is fair enough but we're not using it as a stick to beat them with, we're saying it seems totally unfair (and a little bit ludicrous) of them to sack the manager for not getting 4th when they've put little of their money on the table. If they expect us to be in the top 4 consistently by simply by trading players then they must be out of their minds, which is the point I was trying to make to you yesterday.

Little money? Ignoring the sales for a minute as other than Meireles most came from very under performing (read Torres) or fringe players. That has meant he has spent over £100m on new players. That is a lot of money.

And once again, this 'must be top 4' line is getting old. I think the owners would of been happy to see us closer to the top 4, fighting for it at least. We were 17 points behind in 8th place.

Further away from smaller spending teams like Everton FFS and same as Fulham.

[mercurial]

That is fair enough but we're not using it as a stick to beat them with, we're saying it seems totally unfair (and a little bit ludicrous) of them to sack the manager for not getting 4th when they've put little of their money on the table. If they expect us to be in the top 4 consistently by simply by trading players then they must be out of their minds, which is the point I was trying to make to you yesterday.

The fact is they have not made any substantial investment in the club. There is no reason for not trusting them but none to trust them either. As of now, what they had going for them was they made the right sort of public statements but on the ground they have done little. At best they have alienated the fans, at worst they have fucked up my club, top to bottom and pissed over it.

[hide5seek]

Have they got it right or wrong?  Monumentally wrong!

They have fucked about with the club from day one and now what are we left with?

No Manager -

After a single season, taking over a club in crisis, with divisions and splits, after improving the strength of the squad, taking us to our first cup win in 6 years, the FA Cup final and back into Europe, we have no manager.  Sacked by people sitting over in Boston who didnt even know the shape of a 'soccer ball' a couple of years ago.  Disgusting.

No DoF

Like the concept or not Comolli was appointed on the say so of a friend of a friend, despite the fact that the concept has never managed to be successful at any club in the Prem.  We are now told that they are going to stick with the idea, but who is now looking at players to bring in in the Summer window?

No Head of Medics -

Don't know what this fella did wrong, obviously didnt come up to their high standards.

No Director of Communications -

Sacked, probably as a result of the Suarez affair, which left Kenny out on his own high and dry trying to support a player under attack.  yet another position that needs to be filled in the next few weeks.

No Chief Executive -

The club has been crying out for someone locally based, at the club on a daily basis, running things and acting as a go between between the club and the owners.  They have totally disregarded this need and done nothing to fill the void it leaves.

No Stadium -

No nearer getting a new stadium than we were when David Moores owned us.  Laughable

So now they have to look to fill 5 or 6 positions this Summer and in the meantime who is going round and talking to players to bring in.  With the Euro's just round the corner, who's handling all the negotiating, because any player that puts on a decent show in this comp will go up in price and have more stable clubs going after them too.

The club, once again is a shambles and while I am grateful to the owners for getting shut of the crippling debt given to us by the last lot that does not mean I owe them any gratitude for how they are handling things.

Yeah but besides all that its looking good;-)

[Acaustiq]

And anyway, when they came out and said they want the club to run off its own income everyone loved the idea. We don't want a sugar daddy, we want to live by our own means, etc. etc. Now its a stick to beat them with.

Yep, during the cancers it's all "if only we were run by legitimate businessmen, I don't want a sugar daddy, the mancs are way ahead of us in terms of marketing" then as soon as we get genuine capitalists who then try and raise our profile it's all "fucking moan, moan, moan, why haven't they put any of their own money in".

[CraigDS]

No Director of Communications -

Sacked, probably as a result of the Suarez affair, which left Kenny out on his own high and dry trying to support a player under attack.  yet another position that needs to be filled in the next few weeks.

No Chief Executive -

The club has been crying out for someone locally based, at the club on a daily basis, running things and acting as a go between between the club and the owners.  They have totally disregarded this need and done nothing to fill the void it leaves.

Ian Cotton left a few weeks ago. Kenny had about 2 games max 'on his own'. Who was he defending during this time?

Ayres is MD, basically the same as CEO. He is the guy here daily.

[Fowler23]

 

I beleive for every drop of rain that flows, a flower grows.

Don't be so fucking naive. They're here to make money, nothing more, nothing less.

Right that's me. I'm off.

Ey... don't para phrase me, fatty.








 

[CraigDS]

The fact is they have not made any substantial investment in the club. There is no reason for not trusting them but none to trust them either. As of now, what they had going for them was they made the right sort of public statements but on the ground they have done little. At best they have alienated the fans, at worst they have fucked up my club, top to bottom and pissed over it.

Please don't let facts get in the way.

£30m as to last set of accounts dated July 2011. Since then have spent a shit load more in the summer window so no doubt more would of had to be injected.

[Fowler23]

Everyones going on about how long a manager should get to do his job. How long should owners get to get things right....

[hide5seek]

Little money? Ignoring the sales for a minute as other than Meireles most came from very under performing (read Torres) or fringe players. That has meant he has spent over £100m on new players. That is a lot of money.

And once again, this 'must be top 4' line is getting old. I think the owners would of been happy to see us closer to the top 4, fighting for it at least. We were 17 points behind in 8th place.

Further away from smaller spending teams like Everton FFS and same as Fulham.

Well FSG seemingly have decided its top 4 or bust. So how many seasons does the new man get? Say he gets us 5th 6th 5th and then 4th is that good enough?

[thejbs]

Yep, during the cancers it's all "if only we were run by legitimate businessmen, I don't want a sugar daddy, the mancs are way ahead of us in terms of marketing" then as soon as we get genuine capitalists who then try and raise our profile it's all "fucking moan, moan, moan, why haven't they put any of their own money in".

this.

[kcbworth]

Go back. I said we'd jumped out of the fat into the fire. I kept schtum ever since for the sake of unity. Don't be stupid lad. They got the club for fuck all. They've invested next to bugger all. They won't. They'll say the stadium is our spiritual home or some such shit. They'll sell it as soon as their banker friends tell them the market is right and they can make a few quid. They are corporate raiders, no better than H&G. If people can't see that, it's not my job to make them open their eyes. I warned about this. I've done my bit. I'm finished.

Pretty sad that even respected auld arses like yourself have not been able to see any middle ground here? Surely you can accept that there was always the chance that declining performance over the past 5 months would look like a step in the wrong direction to our owners? Surely you can accept that there were signs that Kenny was not going to get us competing with some utter c*nts at the top of the league soon? I'm appalled at how it has been handled, but it doesn't mean that they are out to get us. I still believe that they want to win. Unfortunately that means they're willing to make hard... devastating even... decisions. And maybe that's not right. But it doesn't mean that they have ulterior motives

[CraigDS]

Well FSG seemingly have decided its top 4 or bust. So how many seasons does the new man get? Say he gets us 5th 6th 5th and then 4th is that good enough?

5th 6th and 5th wouldn't be progression would it? It would be standing still with no improvement.

If he took us from 8th this season to say 6th next but a full run for the 4th place to the end of the season or there abouts then I doubt he'd be under any pressure at all. If he then takes us further the next then again its progression.

Making us finish miles away from 4th again and winning a cup would not be IMO.

[mercurial]

Yep, during the cancers it's all "if only we were run by legitimate businessmen, I don't want a sugar daddy, the mancs are way ahead of us in terms of marketing" then as soon as we get genuine capitalists who then try and raise our profile it's all "fucking moan, moan, moan, why haven't they put any of their own money in".

No one's asking them to put in their money. We do not want sugar daddies but we also do not expect gutless owners who are clueless about football. If you do not spend the money then you cannot expect miracles also. You cannot expect a manager to turn things around in a year. You came in promising the stadium and 2 years on no word on that. Absolutely no progress. Right now we have a fucked up club here and I cannot recognize it as the one I loved. That to me is what FSG have done. Is this the club I supported all these years. A club where they hire and fire at will, they cannot come to a memorial service, the cannot make progress on a stadium in 2 years but can fire people for not living up to expectation in 18 months. This is not what we expect from owners.

What have they actually produced which would make me like them? When they came in the club was in tatters and they got a bargain buy. They invested money as there was not other option. They had to show something. First transfer window they invested nothing. Next transfer wondow, invested what we made. That is all. I do not want a sugar daddy but then why are they behaving like sugar daddies without the sugar?

[hide5seek]

So therefore new man has to get 4th first season, a near miracle.

[Peter McGurk]

Regardless of the rights or wrongs of sacking Kenny, never ever thought I would see our fans listening to a Tory gobshite like Dave Whelan's opinions on our club.  Fucking hell.

It's called irony and normally needs no explanation.

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[PJLFC1]

I am absolutley gutted Kenny has been sacked and i am pissed off at FSG now as i believe he could of turned it around this season , also havent seen much in terms of new stadium movements something thats a must to keep up with others around us and the longer thats a back burner the longer we will have to play catch up and go for our 2nd and 3rd transfer targets , barely 2 years in and 2 managers gone 1 of which should never have been given the job and 1 who should never had the job taken away ! I think they dont care about anything other than a return of investment if am honest and all of the they saved us brigade are right they did , but they for reasons of profit they can make in the future and not for the Love of the club thats the mistake people are making as they are  just in it for themselves and i wont trust them anymore thats granted . 

[Nin]

They are here for the money. They have 2 options : grow the company or fail to grow the company and look to flip it on for profit anyway.

Sacking kenny now proves they are on a very aggressive, short term path to growing the company. It's CL or bust for them. They aren't interested in people or what the supporters think. They are only trying to maximise their return.

They're gambling it all that someone can come along and get more out of the current players. If this doesn't work this year, watch them stop all further investment in the club while they look to flog it at a mark-up.

They are a money-makers and they won't pour good money after bad if it's not working.

I personally would be pleased to see them and their kind as far away from the club as possible.

Owners who want to grow the business isn't necessarily a bad thing though. After Parry and Moores it's refreshing to see owners who want to invest and move this club forward as soon as possible. Even if their motives are questionable and don't line up with the fans, if they bring us success then I don't think anyone can complain.

[Zeb]

Yep, during the cancers it's all "if only we were run by legitimate businessmen, I don't want a sugar daddy, the mancs are way ahead of us in terms of marketing" then as soon as we get genuine capitalists who then try and raise our profile it's all "fucking moan, moan, moan, why haven't they put any of their own money in".

I'll leave questioning the wisdom of any club taking part in a tv show like that to one side. But isn't that reducing the criticism to something which it isn't? The criticism isn't that they won't be investing significant amounts of their own money, but that they are expecting significant changes in the short-term in its absence? What happened to moneyball and longterm planning? We were really big on that last summer. This summer, not so much.

[mercurial]

Owners who want to grow the business isn't necessarily a bad thing though. After Parry and Moores it's refreshing to see owners who want to invest and move this club forward as soon as possible. Even if their motives are questionable and don't line up with the fans, if they bring us success then I don't think anyone can complain.

No, we question. The means to the end are as important as getting there. I guess I will jump off if ever I see a Mourinho leading us. The owners deserve fans like you and have got you. The complaining ones here are the ones they want to get rid of.

[CraigDS]

No one's asking them to put in their money. We do not want sugar daddies but we also do not expect gutless owners who are clueless about football. If you do not spend the money then you cannot expect miracles also. You cannot expect a manager to turn things around in a year. You came in promising the stadium and 2 years on no word on that. Absolutely no progress. Right now we have a fucked up club here and I cannot recognize it as the one I loved. That to me is what FSG have done. Is this the club I supported all these years. A club where they hire and fire at will, they cannot come to a memorial service, the cannot make progress on a stadium in 2 years but can fire people for not living up to expectation in 18 months. This is not what we expect from owners.

What have they actually produced which would make me like them? When they came in the club was in tatters and they got a bargain buy. They invested money as there was not other option. They had to show something. First transfer window they invested nothing. Next transfer wondow, invested what we made. That is all. I do not want a sugar daddy but then why are they behaving like sugar daddies without the sugar?

Did not spend money? He spent over £100m. And only really lost one player who would/could of started in Meireles. Torres has been useless for Chelsea in the league and had been for us so wasn't a massive loss. Thats a lot more than a few teams above us who were a lot lot closer to 4th than us.

The owners have been here for 18 months not 2 years, and inherited a mess of a stadium plan (Peter will tell you more on this!). If you want the right decision it's not going to happen over night, and finishing 8th in the league isn't going to help the search for a top paying stadium naming sponsor. I expect owners who will make the right decision, not rush into wrong ones to keep fans happy (see hicks and gillett and their stadium plans for this).

Again facts don't let them get in the way. At last accounts they invested £30m of their own money. This would of had to of been increased last summer.

[redmark]

No one's asking them to put in their money. We do not want sugar daddies but we also do not expect gutless owners who are clueless about football. If you do not spend the money then you cannot expect miracles also. You cannot expect a manager to turn things around in a year. You came in promising the stadium and 2 years on no word on that. Absolutely no progress. Right now we have a fucked up club here and I cannot recognize it as the one I loved. That to me is what FSG have done. Is this the club I supported all these years. A club where they hire and fire at will, they cannot come to a memorial service, the cannot make progress on a stadium in 2 years but can fire people for not living up to expectation in 18 months. This is not what we expect from owners.

What have they actually produced which would make me like them? When they came in the club was in tatters and they got a bargain buy. They invested money as there was not other option. They had to show something. First transfer window they invested nothing. Next transfer wondow, invested what we made. That is all. I do not want a sugar daddy but then why are they behaving like sugar daddies without the sugar?

Gutless? They just sacked Kenny Dalglish. As a radio 5 reporter put it, it's like killing Bambi.

I don't know if they have a plan. I don't know if it's a good one if they do. For some reason, I feel hopeful along with the sadness of seeing such an end to Dalglish's official association with the club.

But gutless? Nah.

[mercurial]

Please don't let facts get in the way.

£30m as to last set of accounts dated July 2011. Since then have spent a shit load more in the summer window so no doubt more would of had to be injected.

The summer window -- lets see between July 31st, 2011 and August 31st 2011. Thats the window. I guess we sold Meireles then. Yes, a lot of investment there. Your sticking up is admirable but I am dumping them off my love list. I went around the threads defending them stoutly when others had a go but today I have had enough.

[Camarero25]

So therefore new man has to get 4th first season, a near miracle.

I really don't think this is true at all.

If Kenny had gotten closer to fourth, he'd still be here I think. However, we didn't just miss our targets, we missed them by a long way. 17 points off and languishing in 8th, I can see why the owners made the decision they did.

This "if the next guy doesn't get fourth he'll be out" thing is massively facetious to me. Kenny made more mistakes than simply not getting fourth.

[subroc]

Gutless? They just sacked Kenny Dalglish. As a radio 5 reporter put it, it's like killing Bambi.

I don't know if they have a plan. I don't know if it's a good one if they do. For some reason, I feel hopeful along with the sadness of seeing such an end to Dalglish's official association with the club.

But gutless? Nah.

I think that should be like killing Bambi's mother. The club going under would be like killing Bambi...

[Nin]

No, we question. The means to the end are as important as getting there. I guess I will jump off if ever I see a Mourinho leading us. The owners deserve fans like you and have got you. The complaining ones here are the ones they want to get rid of.

I'm not saying we shouldn't question them and keep an eye on them, we should. My point is 'growing the business' isn't necessarily an evil that we should be afraid of, it's what this club needs to do if it wants to catch up with the rest.

[Dick Emery]

I've heard that a heap of times and have no idea how people come to that conclusion.

Fact: We were nowhere near competing for the title
Conclusion: Owners only want CL.

Here's a different conclusion... owners want to be competing for the title?

The title is a beneficial by-product only. It's not the objective in its own right. They want to grow the company and they want to make money. They have to maximise the revenue to do this. The revenue is maixmised initially by being in the CL. All the current deals with Standard Chartered and Warrior etc will be on a sliding scale based on exposure, I'd guess. Being in the CL maximises the cash we get from all our commercial deals. On top of that, there is the revenue form the CL in itself.

Being in the CL also gives them the means to add the other major pillar of their business growth strategy. They need an increased facility in terms of the stadium. This is either a new stadium or Anfield redeveloped. Either way, a major plank of funding this is via naming rights. They are going to struggle to sell the naming rights for any money without being in the CL.

They are following a short-term strategy to get into the CL. If they were taking the long view, they'd have given Kenny till Xmas or all next year to see what happens. They know the vast majority of people back him still. If, in 12 months, the situation was still the same as now, even Kenny's biggest fans would have had to accept that it was time for a change. As it stands now, a lot of people think he wasn't given enough time. They don't care. They have ignored this as they want to get quick returns and can't afford to wait to see if next year improves or not under Kenny.

[CraigDS]

The summer window -- lets see between July 31st, 2011 and August 31st 2011. Thats the window. I guess we sold Meireles then. Yes, a lot of investment there. Your sticking up is admirable but I am dumping them off my love list. I went around the threads defending them stoutly when others had a go but today I have had enough.

What are you going on about?!

Deal in facts. Fact 1 is they put £30m into the club upto the last set of accounts which were to July 2011. Fact 2 is that the club is making no money/no profit at the moment. Fact 3 is we spent above and beyond that of sales in the summer and would of required further funding.

[subroc]

I really don't think this is true at all.

If Kenny had gotten closer to fourth, he'd still be here I think. However, we didn't just miss our targets, we missed them by a long way. 17 points off and languishing in 8th, I can see why the owners made the decision they did.

This "if the next guy doesn't get fourth he'll be out" thing is massively facetious to me. Kenny made more mistakes than simply not getting fourth.

Agred. Dalgish was not sacked for not getting 4th - he was sacked for not looking anytime like he could have gotten 4th this season,a nd the owners did not feel confident he could get 4th in the foreseeable future based on hwat they saw during this season.

[Cochise]

I really don't think this is true at all.

If Kenny had gotten closer to fourth, he'd still be here I think. However, we didn't just miss our targets, we missed them by a long way. 17 points off and languishing in 8th, I can see why the owners made the decision they did.

This "if the next guy doesn't get fourth he'll be out" thing is massively facetious to me. Kenny made more mistakes than simply not getting fourth.

Agree with this.

[cornelius]

And once again, this 'must be top 4' line is getting old. I think the owners would of been happy to see us closer to the top 4, fighting for it at least.

Really? Because they were the ones who made it clear at the start of the season what they expected. So all these people assuming that if we'd missed out by a closer margin Kenny would still be here are simply guessing.

[audioedge]

I can't believe you were so patient. I hope you don't give the next fella 18 months, if he balls things up as badly as that last duffer did.

Get hold of yerselves. FSG have shown their hand. It has just proved 2 things... They don't know what they're doing. They don't give a fuck. This club is nothing but an investment to them.

They acquired it an even worse manner than H&G. It was nothing but a leveraged buy out, that we caused. Yep. They got the club for buttons because we forced 2 American asset strippers out. They are no better. In fact, we at least knew what we were dealing with when H&G were here. We had the moral and legal right to fight back. We haven't even got that now, because we welcomed these people with open arms. What have they done since?

Well, firstly they met with Shanklyboy, VDM and Andy. Them lads arranged a meeting between Henry and SOS. Henry promised to keep dialogue open. They've said fuck all ever since. I don't think fans should run clubs, but these people are only the asset holders. They have done nothing to gain our trust.

They have invested next to nothing. They've just let the club reinvest assets the club has made. I'm not completely sure of the numbers, but I think they have a net spend of something like 23 million.

I can hear the replies coming now... Kenny wasted it. I actually seen one beaut on here saying, he hoped they didn't invest any money. What the fuck. I can't even comprehend that sort of thinking. The fact is, the signings never lived up to expectations this season. That happens. We bought a great centre forward from the North East once before. He took 18 months to settle, but when he did, he became one of the greatest left sided midfielders I've ever seen in my life, Ray Kennedy. That's how football is. It takes time. It took Ray time to settle into a great side. Our club has been in turmoil. It wasn't going to become a world beater over night.

All dominant football teams take time to build. That's proven fact. Even the ultra rich Chelsea and City had to build towards winning titles. It didn't just happen by spending a few bob.

I can hear them now.... but we might have feel further behind City and Chelsea. Fucking spare me, eh. If Dalglish had been given another year and failed, we wouldn't have been any further behind them than we are now. But as it is, they have now set us back yet again. How long will the next fella get to implement his five year plan... 18 fucking months won't hack it, that's for sure.

No fuck FSG. They've shown their hand and just proved they haven't got a clue nor do they give a fuck. Never mind the emotional issues of sacking Kenny. They have shown they do not understand the game. But more worringly, who's to say what their future intentions are... the ground issues gone awfully quiet. And I could go on, but what's the point. Most people on here are only interested in trophies. They want their demands met because they are tired of their Man United supporting workmates crowing. The club means nothing more to them than that. Henry is no different, except he gets to count our money. Well, he can go fuck himself. He's getting none of mine.

Before somebody states their opinion in response, I'm giving you fair warning... I lost family and friends at Hillsborough. I was in America at the time. I couldn't get home. Kenny went to their funerals on my behalf. John Henry didn't even have the respect to go the memorial service. Don't dare defend this decision to me. They are only here for the money. They didn't even give Kenny the respect of a position inside the club. They just announced they were tossing him aside like a pair of aul socks. Fuck them. They will not be seeing one penny or any respect from me.

The best post I have read all day. Well I say best, its fecking depressing, but I'd rather be depressed with my eyes open than ecstatic with them closed tight.

[Pistolero]

Clinging on to the past is not the way forward.

change yer fuckin user name then genius...