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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #8560 on: May 18, 2012, 09:50:10 AM »
As usual it will be a bad fit. Managers like Martinez, MON, Moyes and Hodgson are good at what they do precisley because thats their level. They keep teams up and occasionally over achieve with nothing.

I wouldn't Align Martinez with those set of managers. Hes nothing like them at all.

Martin O'Neil was at a big'ish club and failed. Moyes is too scared to leave Everton in the fear he might fail and Hodgson is just plain shit.

Martinez is more from the Rodgers, Adkins, Lambert, McDermott group.
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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #8561 on: May 18, 2012, 09:50:14 AM »
Has anyone really examined Martinezs PL stats...bar from a few results beating top 4 it's actually really really woeful!

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« Reply #8562 on: May 18, 2012, 09:50:19 AM »
Well, the thing about appointing a "Young Buck" Manager is that you have to have the upper levels in place and established first, either by sticking with a successful team already in place or else by going for a high-profile DOF first and then bringing in somebody that that DOF has an established relationship with so both can hit the ground running. So either we bring in Dave Whelan as DOF or we are taking a massive risk with Martinez and a new DOF that could take months to gel - certainly you could write off this Transfer Window for any meaningful strategic signings.

(Where do we stand with coaches other than Guardiola who have worked with Txixi or DOF's who have worked with Villas Boas)

The alternative, then, is the older, wiser head who can come in on a more English model. Leaving aside the fact that FSG seem to be discounting this model (a mistake in my view) you would still have the disruption of such Manager wanting to bring in their own team meaning more payoffs to our staff and any clubs they are currently working for - unless those people are already in place and the Manager is currently between jobs.

So the answer is standing there like an elephant in the room - Frank de Boer Rafa Benitez! For all my wishes to see him back though, he should rightly expect to have to answer the following questions in an interview

1) What does he think "went wrong" this season and how would he have dealt with this (all candidates would need to tackle this) - I realise the term "went wrong" is perjorative but given FSG have sacked Kenny they are obviously looking at things from this angle.

2) Ditto for 2009/10! The fact I think Rafa should never have been sacked does not mean that he should be immune from having to account for this. Blaming H&G would not be sufficient - I would want to know what he would have done differently in the summer of 2010 to halt the slide and what he would have done upon the change in regime or if he had replaced Hodgson.

3) How would he deal with any parties still at the club who were instrumental in his departure? I'm not naming names but if anybody was to know who these were it would be Rafa

4) FSG's own self-interest would want to know that Rafa would not turn against them the way he turned against H&G. I don't know which would be the more difficult though, Rafa convincing FSG of his "loyalty" or FSG convincing Rafa at this stage they're the right custodians for the club.

Two things are sure for me though - 1) we did Rafa wrong and owe him a fair hearing and 2) if he does not come back now he's never coming back!
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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #8563 on: May 18, 2012, 09:50:39 AM »
So in Football Manager if you choose to be Liverpool...will you now only have the ability to select players for first XI with transfers done for you and team formation pre-set to 4-2-3-1? :)

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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #8564 on: May 18, 2012, 09:50:51 AM »
So has Kenny actually put his severance pay into the transfer fund then? Amazing thing to do if he has.

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« Reply #8565 on: May 18, 2012, 09:51:24 AM »
The new man coming in will get my full support and hope many others do the same.

But it is a strange one.

The new manager, no matter who it is, will find it harder to get into top 4 with this team....compared to kenny who knew the squad and the improvements required....unless the owners accepted that next season we wont be near 4th again (weren't convinced Kenny could do it..) and its better to get someone to bed in now rather than after another season...

I hope the owners are comfortable being under the spotlight, because they have made it clear they are putting their foot down on a lot of things now compared to the last 18 months where in my opinion decisions have more or less been made for them...

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« Reply #8566 on: May 18, 2012, 09:51:43 AM »
It is being suggested Brendan Rodgers has turned down LFC's approach. So much for him not being big enough for us...
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« Reply #8567 on: May 18, 2012, 09:51:51 AM »
Where did 50/50 come from?

Our next manager has nothing to do with our old one, so what evidence is there that we should be pessimistic about next season? All top managers started from humble beginnings, IF we get Martinez it is a gamble, but surely exciting...

there is as much chance of him being a suprise package as there is of him failing.

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« Reply #8568 on: May 18, 2012, 09:52:11 AM »
How can you hound them out before they arrive. Sure you can voice your disproval, but you cant hound them out.

As for me i'm just goin to hang tight and see what FSG's plan of action is before I get too worked up.

Figure of speech.

If, at the end off all this process, FSG say they interviewed all the top names on the list but in the end they could only get Martinez, Rodgers or Pardew. Then fair enough.
That's not how it seems at the moment. The sightings of Dein make perfect sense now. They were getting consulted on the 'Arsenal model', fair enough again, except they are 20 years too late. The Liverpool way is to be replaced by the Arsenal way. How to win the league on the cheap, or, for us, how to get a 4th place finish on the cheap.
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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #8569 on: May 18, 2012, 09:52:17 AM »
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Sky Sources: Swansea manager Brendan Rodgers turns down approach to speak to Liverpool. More details on

Are we really villa being rejected by such managers?
Liverpool manager Rafael Benítez admitted after the match that the manner of his side's victory had stunned him and he stated: "My problem is that I don't have words to express the things that I feel at this moment"

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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #8570 on: May 18, 2012, 09:52:40 AM »
I agree totally with this. I don't know how long we can go on gambling with up and coming managers. We live off past glories but there will come a time when we cannot do that. The more managers that fail the less attractive this club will become. The benefits of having a manager who comes with a good CV far outweighs one that doesn't. From a player perspective would you rather come in and play for a Capello/Gaudiola type or a Martinez/Rodgers? Surely a top manager gives a better perception from a sponsorship point of view.

Its almost like we are basing our model on QPR rather than say Manu. 

Do you know what though. I would prefer it if they went for Martinez they didnt ask him for CL qualification. They gave him 4-5 years to start a building project, no pressure. That at the very least would make sense.

but they wont do that which suggests its a bad fit and pretty unfair on Martinez, and the fans.
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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #8571 on: May 18, 2012, 09:52:42 AM »
Not if a team doesn't take a chance of them. Like Dortmund did with Klopp, Barca did with Rijkaard, Valencia did with Benitez and Arsenal did to some extent bringing Wenger back from Japan.

I'm sure when Van Gaal(one of the most successful manangers of the modern era) left Barca that the supporters were not expecting their president to go and recruit the man who was last seen relegating Sparta Rotterdam and had won nothing as a manager. But that man won them the European Cup.

I think the likes of martinez are being dismissed far too soon.  I am not saying he should be #1 choice but I also dont think he should be written off so easily. 

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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #8572 on: May 18, 2012, 09:52:59 AM »
It is being suggested Brendan Rodgers has turned down LFC's approach. So much for him not being big enough for us...

He probably thinks its too early in his career. He'd be right.
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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #8573 on: May 18, 2012, 09:53:26 AM »
Its all to do with expectations too. If we hire a Martinez or Rodgers, then you get a Martinez or Rodgers. Effectively we would be trying to lowball our way up the league, which whilst effective for those clubs with lesser expectations, can you imagine how it would be if they hit a snag and had us languishing?

Theres no doubt about it that appointing someone of that ilk is more of a risk and it sends more of a message about where we will be going as a club. Forget your warchests, forget your transfer records, we will become the nearly rans of English football. Yes I would love it if those lower league tactics would transfer us into a top 4 side, but your effectively asking Martinez or Rodgers to become a better manager than Wenger. Are they that? Time will tell, but I think its fair comment that people have doubts about that.

By sacking KD so acrimoniously FSG have effectively played there hand. Getting in a big name manager and giving him a decent warchest is now the only thing that will placate the fanbase, this is a fact no? ;)

There are plenty of big ambitious clubs who have hired and fired big name managers with trophies under their belts for not meeting objectives or showing any more promise than the previous manager. There are also plenty of examples of up and coming young or inexperienced managers taking big jobs and winning trophies.

Frankly, there doesn't seem to be much more of a guarantee of success just because you bring in a big name.

Seems FSG are keen on the model that employs a young manager to focus on coaching the team, while directors above him deal with the rest. That probably rules out Rafa, who is the type of manager that wants full control over all affairs, and has a bit of a history of clashing with higher ups who try to undermine that control.

It'll be a manager who's willing to work with those restrictions, under a DOF....which is why I think it's more likely to be someone young and not as experienced as the big names out there who are used to running the show at the clubs they manage.

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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #8574 on: May 18, 2012, 09:53:34 AM »
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Sky Sources: Swansea manager Brendan Rodgers turns down approach to speak to Liverpool. More details on

Are we really villa being rejected by such managers?

Do we really want such managers? I am glad he has turned us down, if thats actually a true story.

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« Reply #8575 on: May 18, 2012, 09:53:56 AM »
Saying on Talksport that Rodgers has turned down the chance to talk to us.
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« Reply #8576 on: May 18, 2012, 09:53:57 AM »
Are people so opposed to the possibility of Brendan Rodgers because his first name is "Brendan". If so, this is understandable.
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« Reply #8577 on: May 18, 2012, 09:54:05 AM »
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Sky Sources: Swansea manager Brendan Rodgers turns down approach to speak to Liverpool. More details on

Are we really villa being rejected by such managers?
Well we are a mid-table side. It does hurt though doesn't it?
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« Reply #8578 on: May 18, 2012, 09:54:10 AM »
It is being suggested Brendan Rodgers has turned down LFC's approach. So much for him not being big enough for us...

Maybe he is smart enough to know that he needs a few more years before he can take that step up.
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« Reply #8579 on: May 18, 2012, 09:54:33 AM »
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« Reply #8580 on: May 18, 2012, 09:54:34 AM »
I got a question, if Segura gets the promotion rumoured, is he going to be the one identifying our player targets and the manager gets final say on whether we get them?


I saw a post earlier asking where the brief was coming from for this new structure on the football side, personally i think its obvious that is coming from Borrell and Segura. Several times this season I've seen them in the crowd sat next to Ayres and Commoli  watching the first team and also Henry was at the academy on more than one occasion this season particularly around the time of Commolis sacking. I truly believe they're the ones that have Henrys ear and will play a huge part in who gets the managers job to make sure that what ever system is played at the academy is implemented in the first team.

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« Reply #8581 on: May 18, 2012, 09:54:44 AM »
Do we really want such managers? I am glad he has turned us down, if thats actually a true story.

why are we in for him in first place thenn to be rejected :butt
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« Reply #8582 on: May 18, 2012, 09:54:48 AM »
Haha wow... I... uh... don't really know what to say to that.
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« Reply #8583 on: May 18, 2012, 09:54:49 AM »
It seems Rodgers has more sense than our owners  :butt
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« Reply #8584 on: May 18, 2012, 09:54:54 AM »
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Sky Sources: Swansea manager Brendan Rodgers turns down approach to speak to Liverpool. More details on

Are we really villa being rejected by such managers?

Not really surprised if true.  i read earlier a few months ago him saying he wouldnt take the chelsea job either.  I dont blame him if he believes its not right for him right now.


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« Reply #8585 on: May 18, 2012, 09:54:54 AM »
I know there is a lot up in the air at the moment, but I'm quite excited about the Echo article with Ayre - FSG haven't been able to do things their own way yet - and the only way they could ever do it was with a clean slate.

I don't want to discuss the circumstances around Kenny leaving, this has happened now, but it is exciting looking at the future.  For me though, we have to look back and bring Rafa in. 

There are so many good reasons why, most already mentioned, that is makes total sense.  Pep would have been great as well but he won't be working for the next year or so and I don't think the appeal to manage us would be that great (even though he said the Liverpool Academy was better than Barca's).

The media have been in overdrive the past few days - wait until the weekend papers get involved too.

PS - with regards to Martinez, I think Villa would be a great move for him to really test what he's made of.
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« Reply #8586 on: May 18, 2012, 09:55:40 AM »
Well we are a mid-table side. It does hurt though doesn't it?
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« Reply #8587 on: May 18, 2012, 09:56:01 AM »
Figure of speech.

If, at the end off all this process, FSG say they interviewed all the top names on the list but in the end they could only get Martinez, Rodgers or Pardew. Then fair enough.
That's not how it seems at the moment. The sightings of Dein make perfect sense now. They were getting consulted on the 'Arsenal model', fair enough again, except they are 20 years too late. The Liverpool way is to be replaced by the Arsenal way. How to win the league on the cheap, or, for us, how to get a 4th place finish on the cheap.
The whole philosophy of the club is shifting, and I'm not sure it's for the better. Surely people can see this?

The simple truth is that if you don't get top four consistently, you won't be in a position to win trophies. Even the Carling Cup is won by top four sides more often than not, and you have to go back to 1995 to find the last time a huge underdog won the FA Cup. Unfortunately, to stay on an even keel financially and to be able to sign the players needed to progress further in the ten, twenty years ahead, we need to become a top four fixture as quickly as possible.

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« Reply #8588 on: May 18, 2012, 09:56:21 AM »
I got a question, if Segura gets the promotion rumoured, is he going to be the one identifying our player targets and the manager gets final say on whether we get them?


I saw a post earlier asking where the brief was coming from for this new structure on the football side, personally i think its obvious that is coming from Borrell and Segura. Several times this season I've seen them in the crowd sat next to Ayres and Commoli  watching the first team and also Henry was at the academy on more than one occasion this season particularly around the time of Commolis sacking. I truly believe they're the ones that have Henrys ear and will play a huge part in who gets the managers job to make sure that what ever system is played at the academy is implemented in the first team.

If true that can only be a good thing. Both ex-Barcelona, and both know what they are talking about.
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« Reply #8589 on: May 18, 2012, 09:56:33 AM »
Think Rodgers knows he is not ready yet and to try and fail now would mean never getting the opportunity again.  I agree with him.  Best of luck to Swansea next year :)
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« Reply #8590 on: May 18, 2012, 09:56:36 AM »
The scary thing in all of this is I fear FSG didn't do homework properly, sacked a coach without a clue as to who will follow and now they're casting a wide net to try and get some-one, anyone! A bit of a joke really!!!

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« Reply #8591 on: May 18, 2012, 09:56:38 AM »
Which is part of our problem... People at the club with little to none knowledge on football putting their personal thoughts and interest above any football reasoning.  I hope I am wrong but there is no indication for that..

It does sadden me to see a few pages of tributes to Kenny who even refused the compensation due to him and fans speculating endlessly on how things will get better. Its only speculation, what do they have which tells them that things will be better. The media nonsense, the same media who hyped up the last flavour of the month manager and got us Hodgson. The media who lambasted our legends from Shankly to Kenny to Rafa. It does pain me to see that people are happily dreaming of scenarios which they think will work out best. In the end it will all come crashing down as none of their dream scenarios will work out. It will be the owners vision and that looks amazingly short sighted. Till a few days back up to Comolli's departure, I gave them the benefit of doubt. I fought people here who were going after them. All those saying sign the best man for the job, get a DOF and playing master strategist. Well that is all nice, we have all done that and enjoy that. As long as we understand that this is only a game we are playing with ourselves. Sadly it is now spilled to the real world. The new manager will not turn things around quickly. If you saw issues under Kenny, just watch the issues unfold in the coming days. Then see those issues being used as excuses by the owners to justify themselves. Welcome to mediocrity.
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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #8592 on: May 18, 2012, 09:57:19 AM »
He's just turned us down, thank f*ck.

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« Reply #8593 on: May 18, 2012, 09:57:57 AM »
Mr Rossi is correct.
Its the way our fan base and society general has become.Its all want want want now now now.We used to think we were different from the rest.Unique.We back our managers to the hilt.Sadly were no longer no different than a Newcastle villa or any other club that has changed it manager regularly.

You've started this trend with wanting Rafa out.Rafa a European cup winning manager who had one poor season.He was thrown to the wolves by some fans who at the same time did Fuck all to help in what was the real fight at the time,the war with H&G.

Now some of the fanbase turned on Kenny a club legend on and especially off the pitch.Sadly the rot has started the new guy won't see Xmas if he dosen't start off like a bat out of hell.

And so on.

I think you are wrong. Its all want, want, want but from businessmen. And they want it yesterday. And with the new guy they will want it next season.
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« Reply #8594 on: May 18, 2012, 09:58:18 AM »
1 down, 1 to go!

Now its your turn Martinez, I like you, but you are not Liverpool calibre just yet!
Praying FSG pull a rabbit out of the hat, I like Martinez but fear it would all end badly.

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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #8595 on: May 18, 2012, 09:58:20 AM »
Jeez, I'm getting a headache from all the pessimism and negativity.  The decision is made.  Lets get on with it.  Whoever is appointed will get my 100% support.

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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #8596 on: May 18, 2012, 09:58:21 AM »
well I hope that doesnt leave Martinez as our only option...

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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #8597 on: May 18, 2012, 09:58:36 AM »
The scary thing in all of this is I fear FSG didn't do homework properly, sacked a coach without a clue as to who will follow and now they're casting a wide net to try and get some-one, anyone! A bit of a joke really!!!

If they had someone lined up before sacking Kenny they'd be accused of going behind his back

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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #8598 on: May 18, 2012, 09:59:01 AM »
Think Rodgers knows he is not ready yet and to try and fail now would mean never getting the opportunity again.

Agree and it makes perfect sense. He has been in the premiership exactly 1 year. The club was naive for asking him. Would have been no different to giving Pardew the job after his first year at west ham.
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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #8599 on: May 18, 2012, 09:59:04 AM »
For fuck sake, a European cup-winning manager is sitting on The Wirral without a club. Kenny swerved his severance pay to go the player fund, Rafa would cost the club nothing meaning more money for rebuilding and he is better than the lot that are realistic put together.

FSG - rocket science.

They do seem to be a bit thick.

Had all night to think about it and I think you can label it thus;


Managers with the experience, pedigree and world presence that would get us to where we would want to be and would be acceptable managing this football club

Dalglish
Benitez
Guardeola
Hiddink
Capello
Villa-Boas
Klopp



Totally Unacceptable whichever way you try and paint it

Martinez
Rodgers
Allardyce
Coyle
Carragher
Gerrard
Pardew
Bruce
Hughes
Klinnsman
O'Neill
Mourinho

Every English manager around at the moment
Football has reached the ninth gate of farce and pathetic, unbelievable trite nonsense. It's supposed to be a game and it's turned into pantomime, hype, quilts and bellends.