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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #8520 on: May 18, 2012, 09:38:48 AM »
There is absolutely no point speculating about a Rafa return. Ian Ayres would not sanction it... Won't happen.

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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #8521 on: May 18, 2012, 09:38:49 AM »
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/05/18/liverpool-fc-sacking-kenny-dalglish-weas-right-move-to-let-owners-realise-vision-for-club-says-ian-ayre-100252-30994586/

Does this feel like purslow all over again? Does it look like the old owners again?
Welcome all yea to your "lead role in a cage" as Waters said. There is no Rafa coming back and all you will get is a hodge podge porridge spoiled by too many cooks. I am a pessimist who thought we would win year after year when we won nothing, I though we would lose finals but we won them. So there is still hope.


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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #8522 on: May 18, 2012, 09:38:57 AM »
Our search for a new manager sounds very much like its going to be like old Harry telling SSN he put in a 50mil bid for Ronaldo 5 mins before the window closed but they just couldn't get it done.

We are dropping some big names like Pep and Rafa when in reality its going to be Martinez or Rogers.

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« Reply #8523 on: May 18, 2012, 09:38:59 AM »
Can you imagine the likes of Skrtel, Suarez, Agger et al hanging around if we appoint Martinez or Rodgers? Can you imagine what type of players we will be able to attract? If Martinez is appointed and as it now stands its an IF, it's a bleeding senseless appointment! If Kenny was sacked because of mid table league performances why appoint proven mid table managers (although Marinez isn't even a proven mid table manager just a media darling)

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« Reply #8524 on: May 18, 2012, 09:39:30 AM »
As usual it will be a bad fit. Managers like Martinez, MON, Moyes and Hodgson are good at what they do precisley because thats their level. They keep teams up and occasionally over achieve with nothing.

Being at a club thats expected to be safe and win a few games is massive compared to being expected to win week in and week out, massive.

Would any of the other top 6 entertain these guys? I dont believe so. if we have any aspirations at all, while we still hold a large status in world football we are going the right way to removing it for good.
What FSG don't seem to understand is that we have the 3rd or 4th highest global support, a club like ours needs a big figure at the helm. The appointment needs to make a statement about our ambitions. Martinez/Rodgers suggests an acceptance of our current decline.
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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #8525 on: May 18, 2012, 09:40:11 AM »
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/05/18/liverpool-fc-sacking-kenny-dalglish-weas-right-move-to-let-owners-realise-vision-for-club-says-ian-ayre-100252-30994586/

Does this feel like purslow all over again? Does it look like the old owners again?
Welcome all yea to your "lead role in a cage" as Waters said. There is no Rafa coming back and all you will get is a hodge podge porridge spoiled by too many cooks. I am a pessimist who thought we would win year after year when we won nothing, I though we would lose finals but we won them. So there is still hope.




There is absolutely no point speculating about a Rafa return. Ian Ayres would not sanction it... Won't happen.

Which is part of our problem... People at the club with little to none knowledge on football putting their personal thoughts and interest above any football reasoning.  I hope I am wrong but there is no indication for that..

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« Reply #8526 on: May 18, 2012, 09:40:11 AM »
How can any manager build anything when he will be sacked the first time he misses out on a top four place?

I dont think any manager will stand a chance if thats the way they're goin to act. Yes a more experienced manager will have more of a chance but even then there are no guarentees.
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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #8527 on: May 18, 2012, 09:40:11 AM »
Some of the defeatist attitude show on here is utterly pathetic.

Kenny is a legend and it's very sad he wasn't able to get us going. He perhaps needed more time, but our owners have other ideas.

Our next manager has nothing to do with our old one, so what evidence is there that we should be pessimistic about next season? All top managers started from humble beginnings, IF we get Martinez it is a gamble, but surely exciting...there is as much chance of him being a suprise package as there is of him failing.

A bit of optimism eh?
It looks to me as if we have signed another 'average' player. I'll hold back my complete opinion until I see the lad play

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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #8528 on: May 18, 2012, 09:40:23 AM »
There is absolutely no point speculating about a Rafa return. Ian Ayres would not sanction it... Won't happen.

Which is why he's the wrong man to help make a decision.

Clearly Rafa is an excellent fit for the job. To ignore him because of what has gone before is massively stupid.
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« Reply #8529 on: May 18, 2012, 09:40:50 AM »
Unfortunately this is clearly the truth. Every interview Ayres has given since Kenny was sacked has alluded to him not wanting Rafa and today he has ramped it up with the "can't live on past glories" soundbite. Bet he ain't happy about that poll on the official forums..


he might not be but to be honest i doubt he gives a fuck about a poll. i think he has a point
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« Reply #8530 on: May 18, 2012, 09:40:51 AM »
Probably posted somewhere on here... but I keep thinking on this... Ray Houghton being interviewed before the league cup final - the interviewer asks him;

"ray, don't you think kenny is putting his legacy at risk by returning to manage the club?"

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"that is what great men do"

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« Reply #8531 on: May 18, 2012, 09:41:02 AM »
As usual it will be a bad fit. Managers like Martinez, MON, Moyes and Hodgson are good at what they do precisley because thats their level. They keep teams up and occasionally over achieve with nothing.

Being at a club thats expected to be safe and win a few games is massive compared to being expected to win week in and week out, massive.

Would any of the other top 6 entertain these guys? I dont believe so. if we have any aspirations at all, while we still hold a large status in world football we are going the right way to removing it for good.

I agree totally with this. I don't know how long we can go on gambling with up and coming managers. We live off past glories but there will come a time when we cannot do that. The more managers that fail the less attractive this club will become. The benefits of having a manager who comes with a good CV far outweighs one that doesn't. From a player perspective would you rather come in and play for a Capello/Gaudiola type or a Martinez/Rodgers? Surely a top manager gives a better perception from a sponsorship point of view.

Its almost like we are basing our model on QPR rather than say Manu. 
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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #8532 on: May 18, 2012, 09:41:30 AM »
How can any manager build anything when he will be sacked the first time he misses out on a top four place?

Who has said he will be? Kenny was sacked for giving us our worst league season in half a century not for missing top 4.

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« Reply #8533 on: May 18, 2012, 09:41:38 AM »
As much as i'd love a much more of experienced manager like Rafa. I think it would be wrong to try hounding out manager just because of what happened with Roy. I mean what sort of a supporter of a club would do that? Thats not a fan to me, thats just somebody spitting their dummy out coz they cant get there way. As for Martinez and Rodgers they are nothing like Roy Hodgson in terms of footballing philosophy and tactics...

I'm trying to hound them out before they arrive. If any of them get appointed I'll accept it and move on. Until we're all back here in 6-12 months time.

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« Reply #8534 on: May 18, 2012, 09:41:44 AM »
We were actually closer to relegation - Bolton 16 points - than coming 4th - Spurs 17 points. It isnt a huge surprise that the owners deemed that unacceptable.
If FSG see things in an as black and white way as that then we truly are buggered. If the new guy finishes closer to the top four than to the relegation zone then obviously it was a good decision...

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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #8535 on: May 18, 2012, 09:41:50 AM »
All this up-coming and young speak is similar to young players or league proven. You sign the best man for the job, for the position of manager and players age is a consideration naturally, more in the case of players, but never to the extent of overriding quality.

Important point: the idea of having a young-and-upcoming manager in football circles was that he would revolutinise the club from top to bottom, loath as I am to use it, Ferguson is the best recent example. When he came in, he had to eradicate the social and drinking club culture that Utd had acquired, lay in an entire scouting system, change the squad, change the diet, change the fitness work. That's where youth has its most tangible benefit, and with youth, you can give the manager time as these things take years to set, and there's a reasonable assurance he won't drop dead in the meantime.

If they are creating a system where the manager mainly coaches and picks the team, why is age an issue? (with the obvious exception of picking a 70 + year old)
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« Reply #8536 on: May 18, 2012, 09:42:33 AM »
Any new news since last night?? Or not really??

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« Reply #8537 on: May 18, 2012, 09:42:55 AM »
Some of the defeatist attitude show on here is utterly pathetic.

Kenny is a legend and it's very sad he wasn't able to get us going. He perhaps needed more time, but our owners have other ideas.

Our next manager has nothing to do with our old one, so what evidence is there that we should be pessimistic about next season? All top managers started from humble beginnings, IF we get Martinez it is a gamble, but surely exciting...there is as much chance of him being a suprise package as there is of him failing.

A bit of optimism eh?

I'm glad there are still a few of us who are trying to remain positive. I dont like the way they handle the sacking of King Kenny, but im willing to wait and see what the owners have planned before I go off on one. Afterall we may all end up plesantly surprised.
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« Reply #8538 on: May 18, 2012, 09:43:34 AM »
Some of the defeatist attitude show on here is utterly pathetic.

Kenny is a legend and it's very sad he wasn't able to get us going. He perhaps needed more time, but our owners have other ideas.

Our next manager has nothing to do with our old one, so what evidence is there that we should be pessimistic about next season? All top managers started from humble beginnings, IF we get Martinez it is a gamble, but surely exciting...there is as much chance of him being a suprise package as there is of him failing.

A bit of optimism eh?

Thats the scary thing, you are happy to gamble on a 50/50 with this great club? I just don't get it? I am sorry but this is more defeatist to me than optimist.

50/50 its insane, never on our history have we ever accepted this mediocrity.
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« Reply #8539 on: May 18, 2012, 09:44:04 AM »
I pity the new manager, whoever he is. He is going to have to put up with people acting like spoiled children, who didn't get the pony they wanted.

I just hope that he makes a really good start to next season, otherwise there will be tantrums.

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« Reply #8540 on: May 18, 2012, 09:44:37 AM »
Mr Rossi is correct.
Its the way our fan base and society general has become.Its all want want want now now now.We used to think we were different from the rest.Unique.We back our managers to the hilt.Sadly were no longer no different than a Newcastle villa or any other club that has changed it manager regularly.

You've started this trend with wanting Rafa out.Rafa a European cup winning manager who had one poor season.He was thrown to the wolves by some fans who at the same time did Fuck all to help in what was the real fight at the time,the war with H&G.

Now some of the fanbase turned on Kenny a club legend on and especially off the pitch.Sadly the rot has started the new guy won't see Xmas if he dosen't start off like a bat out of hell.

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« Reply #8541 on: May 18, 2012, 09:45:04 AM »
I'm trying to hound them out before they arrive. If any of them get appointed I'll accept it and move on. Until we're all back here in 6-12 months time.

How can you hound them out before they arrive. Sure you can voice your disproval, but you cant hound them out.

As for me i'm just goin to hang tight and see what FSG's plan of action is before I get too worked up.
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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #8543 on: May 18, 2012, 09:45:23 AM »
Welcome all yea to your "lead role in a cage" as Waters said.

He can talk after sacking Syd so he could take over the Floyd and become a pompous old fart of a frontman.
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« Reply #8544 on: May 18, 2012, 09:45:57 AM »
There is absolutely no point speculating about a Rafa return. Ian Ayres would not sanction it... Won't happen.
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« Reply #8545 on: May 18, 2012, 09:46:54 AM »
but your effectively asking Martinez or Rodgers to become a better manager than Wenger. Are they that? Time will tell, but I think its fair comment that people have doubts about that.


Not if a team doesn't take a chance of them. Like Dortmund did with Klopp, Barca did with Rijkaard, Valencia did with Benitez and Arsenal did to some extent bringing Wenger back from Japan.

I'm sure when Van Gaal(one of the most successful manangers of the modern era) left Barca that the supporters were not expecting their president to go and recruit the man who was last seen relegating Sparta Rotterdam and had won nothing as a manager. But that man won them the European Cup.

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« Reply #8546 on: May 18, 2012, 09:47:11 AM »
It is telling that Martinez and Rodgers are not being considered by the plastics. The only other team in for Martinez and Rodgers is Aston Villa.
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« Reply #8547 on: May 18, 2012, 09:47:16 AM »
I pity the new manager, whoever he is. He is going to have to put up with people acting like spoiled children, who didn't get the pony they wanted.

I just hope that he makes a really good start to next season, otherwise there will be tantrums.

If the owners put Marinez in this position, he will be gone before xmas, unless he has gone unbeaten for half the season, thats the gamble, its a massive gamble and to me its destined to fail.

I cant help the way I feel, yes its only my opinion, but its a logical one.

What would Martinez need to do to last until Xmas? were is a good league position?
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« Reply #8548 on: May 18, 2012, 09:47:20 AM »
I pity the new manager, whoever he is. He is going to have to put up with people acting like spoiled children, who didn't get the pony they wanted.

I just hope that he makes a really good start to next season, otherwise there will be tantrums.

yup .this! unfortunately a couple of losses and people will be on his case.We all know who a lot of people want.When he doesnt arrive theyll be calling for him and giving the new manager shit.Goes to show the demise of our support really.
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« Reply #8549 on: May 18, 2012, 09:48:09 AM »
You've started this trend with wanting Rafa out.Rafa a European cup winning manager who had one poor season.He was thrown to the wolves by some fans who at the same time did Fuck all to help in what was the real fight at the time,the war with H&G.
Surely the fix for that is to get him back now? Perfect opportunity. Those saying he wouldnt fit the role are spectacularly talking out of there arse

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« Reply #8550 on: May 18, 2012, 09:48:10 AM »
For fuck sake, a European cup-winning manager is sitting on The Wirral without a club. Kenny swerved his severance pay to go the player fund, Rafa would cost the club nothing meaning more money for rebuilding and he is better than the lot that are realistic put together.

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« Reply #8551 on: May 18, 2012, 09:48:24 AM »
Thats the scary thing, you are happy to gamble on a 50/50 with this great club? I just don't get it? I am sorry but this is more defeatist to me than optimist.

50/50 its insane, never on our history have we ever accepted this mediocrity.

Where did 50/50 come from?
It looks to me as if we have signed another 'average' player. I'll hold back my complete opinion until I see the lad play

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« Reply #8552 on: May 18, 2012, 09:48:24 AM »
How can you hound them out before they arrive. Sure you can voice your disproval, but you cant hound them out.

Reckon he'll stand outside gates with a pitchfork warning people off.

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« Reply #8553 on: May 18, 2012, 09:48:43 AM »
Any new news since last night?? Or not really??

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« Reply #8554 on: May 18, 2012, 09:49:03 AM »
It is telling that Martinez and Rodgers are not being considered by the plastics. The only other team in for Martinez and Rodgers is Aston Villa.

Ouch. Villa are the epitome of shite mid table. not even that at the moment. Woohoo, let's sink to their level.
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« Reply #8555 on: May 18, 2012, 09:49:04 AM »
What FSG don't seem to understand is that we have the 3rd or 4th highest global support, a club like ours needs a big figure at the helm. The appointment needs to make a statement about our ambitions. Martinez/Rodgers suggests an acceptance of our current decline.
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« Reply #8556 on: May 18, 2012, 09:49:07 AM »
this is getting slightly cringeworthy all this rafa talk.
even those without the concept of toilets form a group and if you're one of them you care about these motherfucking free-shitters and you conform to their norms. Because if you fucking didn't they would send you back into the world of toilet usage.

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« Reply #8557 on: May 18, 2012, 09:49:41 AM »
Reckon he'll stand outside gates with a pitchfork warning people off.
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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #8558 on: May 18, 2012, 09:49:42 AM »
If it is Segura promoted to Dof,as in,someone relatively inexperienced in the role,I'd probably expect a very good manager to come in.
Segura+Martinez sounds pretty risky to me.

It seems more like 'DoF' is being split into two roles, General Manager (administrative, unknown candidate) and Technical Director (Segura). If by doing so they're going to bring in a 'lesser' candidate in the GM role than the sort of names we'd heard for the 'DoF' role, I'd agree that a 'nobody'/Segura/Martinez combination isn't likely to satisfy many fans most critical of the sacking of Dalglish.
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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #8559 on: May 18, 2012, 09:50:03 AM »
According to the Echo we have approached Brenden Rodgers. Jesus wept!

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/

He's just turned us down, thank f*ck.
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