Author Topic: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck... (Read 202533 times)

Andy @ Allerton · « **Reply #7200 on:** May 17, 2012, 09:59:27 PM »

Quote from: Lad on May 17, 2012, 09:57:49 PM

I and know plenty that don't. So there !

I'm sure you do. But you were suggesting that it's only internet folk that want him back. This isn't true. There are plenty of match going Reds that want him back.

zen · « **Reply #7201 on:** May 17, 2012, 09:59:33 PM »

Been casting my mind back a few weeks, when Kenny was openly praising the work Rafa did in laying the foundations for the good work done over the last few years at the Academy, getting Pep in and all that. Call me a nugget for mentioning it but I can't help think that seeds were being planted early doors...

The G in Gerrard · « **Reply #7202 on:** May 17, 2012, 09:59:33 PM »

Quote from: Andy @ Allerton on May 17, 2012, 09:57:39 PM

Hopefully so, could bring his guitar onto pitch at half time and sing some great tunes.

Mr Rossi · « **Reply #7203 on:** May 17, 2012, 09:59:34 PM »

Quote from: rafathegaffa83 on May 17, 2012, 09:58:05 PM

I think by the sounds of it they are splitting that idea. Segura: identifying talent; General manager type: doing all the deals.

Could be interesting.

It's Jimmy Corkhill · « **Reply #7204 on:** May 17, 2012, 09:59:42 PM »

Quote from: Lad on May 17, 2012, 09:57:49 PM

I and know plenty that don't. So there !

I do. This could go on a while.

**Glenn** · « **Reply #7205 on:** May 17, 2012, 09:59:44 PM »

Quote from: djschembri on May 17, 2012, 09:58:37 PM

He's not defining the roles. He's the one that shed some light on the new structure.

Oh right, still don't think he's qualified to do it, but it just shows what a mess the club is in.

ChristophLFC · « **Reply #7206 on:** May 17, 2012, 09:59:57 PM »

reading all these coments calling fsg clueless, have no-idea what they're doing, is embarrassing

give them time ffs, people these days have no patience, they will sort this club out

TheTeflonJohn · « **Reply #7207 on:** May 17, 2012, 10:00:08 PM »

Quote from: Shauno on May 17, 2012, 09:54:40 PM

Never mind er the Boot Room. I want to know whose boot that is in your avatar so I can bang her back door in. (In my mind of course).

Love it. One of the few posts thats made me laugh tonight. No idea who she is mate. It just caught my eye one day and I fucked the Mrs. off and formed and unhealthy relationship with a faceless arse

AJG · « **Reply #7208 on:** May 17, 2012, 10:00:09 PM »

So we're not getting txiki begiristain, but we are getting Martinez

djschembri · « **Reply #7209 on:** May 17, 2012, 10:00:32 PM »

Quote from: **Glenn** on May 17, 2012, 09:59:44 PM

Oh right, still don't think he's qualified to do it, but it just shows what a mess the club is in.

He's not qualified to explain to journos what the structure is going to be? Then what is he qualified to do?

Live in the Now · « **Reply #7210 on:** May 17, 2012, 10:00:36 PM »

Quote from: Juan Loco on May 17, 2012, 09:58:50 PM

Aye. We'd be fucking stupid to have a position of strength at the club.

More FSG and their fucking Peter Principle, supplemented by the experience and magnetism of Bobby fuckin' Martinez.

They thought Comolli was qualified last time. The club's in the shit and hiring another bad DoF that they'll sack in a years time would compound that.

DangerScouse · « **Reply #7211 on:** May 17, 2012, 10:00:37 PM »

Quote from: Upinsmoke on May 17, 2012, 09:58:07 PM

Haha, I wasn't being a smart arse. Just wondered what more senior duties meant in general. Just seems like it could be a whole host of things to me. Very vague.

No worries mate, just wondering who the senior football people are at the club who are making the decisions. Presumably Clarke may have recommended him and possibly Kenny before his departure?

The G in Gerrard · « **Reply #7212 on:** May 17, 2012, 10:00:40 PM »

Quote from: djschembri on May 17, 2012, 09:58:37 PM

He's not defining the roles. He's the one that shed some light on the new structure.

How would he know unless he's still got a say in what's going on?

Shepnois · « **Reply #7213 on:** May 17, 2012, 10:01:02 PM »

I just cant see this ending well. Martinez is a massive risk, One I wish they weren't taking.

Twelfth Customer · « **Reply #7214 on:** May 17, 2012, 10:01:03 PM »

Quote from: Fordy on May 17, 2012, 09:58:56 PM

So now the owners don't want a DOF...Couldn't make this up.

That sounds like Segura taking up a merged role, which might not be that bad a thing. New manager has a little more power. Academy has more of a link with first team.

SpionBob · « **Reply #7215 on:** May 17, 2012, 10:01:10 PM »

I no understand no? If Seguro is talent spotter and we appoint a general manager to signs players and negotiate contracts then who is going to coach and decide game plan and pick team and tactics-surely it has to be Rafa, no? I give up!

keyop · « **Reply #7216 on:** May 17, 2012, 10:01:28 PM »

Wigan in the premier league:

Before Martinez:

2005/6: 10th
2006/7: 17th
2007/8: 14th
2008/9: 11th

With Martinez

2009/10: 16th
2010/11: 15th
2011/12: 15th

I'm not drawing any conclusions from this, but after 3 years he's reduced their average finishing position in the league.

lukas · « **Reply #7217 on:** May 17, 2012, 10:01:33 PM »

Quote from: Fordy on May 17, 2012, 09:58:56 PM

So now the owners don't want a DOF...Couldn't make this up.

Neither does Rafa

smicer07 · « **Reply #7218 on:** May 17, 2012, 10:01:41 PM »

Quote from: ChristophLFC on May 17, 2012, 09:59:57 PM

people these days have no patience,

Ironic.

Juan Loco · « **Reply #7219 on:** May 17, 2012, 10:01:53 PM »

Quote from: rafathegaffa83 on May 17, 2012, 09:58:05 PM

I think by the sounds of it they are splitting that idea. Segura: identifying talent; General manager type: doing all the deals.

I'm not entirely sure that's what Segura does at youth level though. Segura is basically responsible for the coaching set up at the academy level. All things at academy are done to his program. Him being promoted would suggest he's been given a similar responsibility for the first team IMHO.

Resurrected · « **Reply #7220 on:** May 17, 2012, 10:02:00 PM »

Quote from: ChristophLFC on May 17, 2012, 09:59:57 PM

reading all these coments calling fsg clueless, have no-idea what they're doing, is embarrassing

give them time ffs, people these days have no patience, they will sort this club out

Exactly what we were telling them to do with KD. Why should they get to play to a different set of rules?

TALBERT · « **Reply #7221 on:** May 17, 2012, 10:02:16 PM »

Dave Whelan

media whore

jillc · « **Reply #7222 on:** May 17, 2012, 10:02:32 PM »

Quote from: ChristophLFC on May 17, 2012, 09:59:57 PM

reading all these coments calling fsg clueless, have no-idea what they're doing, is embarrassing

give them time ffs, people these days have no patience, they will sort this club out

Yeah like they gave Kenny time!

the_red_pill · « **Reply #7223 on:** May 17, 2012, 10:02:34 PM »

Quote from: Barefoot Doctor on May 17, 2012, 09:53:59 PM

Tony Barrett:

Although Ayre stopped short of defining the disparate roles or identifying the individuals who will fill them, it is understood that Pep Segura, the technical director at the club’s academy, is likely to be promoted to a similar role with the first team. A direct replacement for Damien Comolli as director of football is no longer being sought, but FSG is in the final stages of filling a general manager-style position.

Please let this be true. Rafa brought him in- as anyone within the borders of Rome knows and he's done fantastically in that Directors' job.
A true bootroom-style appointment!

At least they got that right- THE LIVERPOOL WAY may not be dead and gone.

Twelfth Customer · « **Reply #7224 on:** May 17, 2012, 10:02:47 PM »

Quote from: Barefoot Doctor on May 17, 2012, 09:53:59 PM

Tony Barrett:

Although Ayre stopped short of defining the disparate roles or identifying the individuals who will fill them, it is understood that Pep Segura, the technical director at the club’s academy, is likely to be promoted to a similar role with the first team. A direct replacement for Damien Comolli as director of football is no longer being sought, but FSG is in the final stages of filling a general manager-style position.

Ian Hibbert from the Indy was on TalkShyte alluding to the same thing.

Andy @ Allerton · « **Reply #7225 on:** May 17, 2012, 10:02:52 PM »

Quote from: keyop on May 17, 2012, 10:01:28 PM

Wigan in the premier league:

Before Martinez:

2005/6: 10th
2006/7: 17th
2007/8: 14th
2008/9: 11th

With Martinez

2009/10: 16th
2010/11: 15th
2011/12: 15th

I'm not drawing any conclusions from this, but after 3 years he's reduced their average finishing position in the league.

Top. Manager.

He'd have us finishing 14th easy. Living the dream man. Living the dream.

Easy · « **Reply #7226 on:** May 17, 2012, 10:03:18 PM »

Quote from: audioedge on May 17, 2012, 09:57:22 PM

JWH is getting twatted on twitter over Martinez. Not saying he will be arsed by it, just cant say the warnings werent there if he flops and Anfield becomes a church.

To be honest I wish fans would leave the owners be on this and let them decide.

Fordy · « **Reply #7227 on:** May 17, 2012, 10:03:25 PM »

Quote from: Twelfth Man on May 17, 2012, 10:01:03 PM

That sounds like Segura taking up a merged role, which might not be that bad a thing. New manager has a little more power. Academy has more of a link with first team.

That's too much to take on mate.

Yosser0_0 · « **Reply #7228 on:** May 17, 2012, 10:03:52 PM »

Thought this Guardian article interesting

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/17/liverpool-kenny-Dalglish-what-next-webchat

ReddyMac · « **Reply #7229 on:** May 17, 2012, 10:04:07 PM »

Quote from: Mr Rossi on May 17, 2012, 09:59:34 PM

Could be interesting.

While the manager just sits in the corner having his cup of tea.

redmark · « **Reply #7230 on:** May 17, 2012, 10:04:12 PM »

Quote from: Fordy on May 17, 2012, 09:58:56 PM

So now the owners don't want a DOF...Couldn't make this up.

Dunno. Could mean the 'General Manager' role encompasses the DoF and more, or that the GM and a promoted Segura as 'Technical Director' fulfill that expanded role between them. Either way, it still seems to mean that effectively we will have (in one or two individuals) something like a 'DoF', with a less powerful 'manager'.

hugoboss · « **Reply #7231 on:** May 17, 2012, 10:04:54 PM »

Quote from: keyop on May 17, 2012, 10:01:28 PM

Wigan in the premier league:

Before Martinez:

2005/6: 10th
2006/7: 17th
2007/8: 14th
2008/9: 11th

With Martinez

2009/10: 16th
2010/11: 15th
2011/12: 15th

I'm not drawing any conclusions from this, but after 3 years he's reduced their average finishing position in the league.

Another thing to consider though is that it is more difficult for a small team to succeed playing good football because they can't get the best players. That being said I would rather Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas or De Boer

rafathegaffa83 · « **Reply #7232 on:** May 17, 2012, 10:05:18 PM »

Quote from: Juan Loco on May 17, 2012, 10:01:53 PM

I'm not entirely sure that's what Segura does at youth level though. Segura is basically responsible for the coaching set up at the academy level. All things at academy are done to his program. Him being promoted would suggest he's been given a similar responsibility for the first team IMHO.

Regardless, I think it points to going towards a more continental model

Lenin · « **Reply #7233 on:** May 17, 2012, 10:05:25 PM »

Quote from: Barefoot Doctor on May 17, 2012, 09:53:59 PM

Tony Barrett:

Although Ayre stopped short of defining the disparate roles or identifying the individuals who will fill them, it is understood that Pep Segura, the technical director at the club’s academy, is likely to be promoted to a similar role with the first team. A direct replacement for Damien Comolli as director of football is no longer being sought, but FSG is in the final stages of filling a general manager-style position.

I thought that Twiggy fella from Barcelona was going to be the new DOF?

Zlenpasha · « **Reply #7234 on:** May 17, 2012, 10:05:39 PM »

No good signals at all so far, more confusion, more chopping, changing, chaos and shooting blind.
All I'm waiting for now is news of senior players looking to change clubs and I fully expect it to happen this summer.

Zimagic · « **Reply #7235 on:** May 17, 2012, 10:06:23 PM »

Quote from: Fordy on May 17, 2012, 10:03:25 PM

That's too much to take on mate.

But it's what Rafa was asking for from G&H all through his time here......

Resurrected · « **Reply #7236 on:** May 17, 2012, 10:06:32 PM »

Quote from: Lenin on May 17, 2012, 10:05:25 PM

I thought that Twiggy fella from Barcelona was going to be the new DOF?

His name is Tricksy, ffs

MBL? · « **Reply #7237 on:** May 17, 2012, 10:06:32 PM »

Quote from: Juan Loco on May 17, 2012, 10:01:53 PM

I'm not entirely sure that's what Segura does at youth level though. Segura is basically responsible for the coaching set up at the academy level. All things at academy are done to his program. Him being promoted would suggest he's been given a similar responsibility for the first team IMHO.

Nearly sure he assesses the under age talent we bring in as it is.

Effes · « **Reply #7238 on:** May 17, 2012, 10:06:33 PM »

Quote from: ChristophLFC on May 17, 2012, 09:59:57 PM

reading all these coments calling fsg clueless, have no-idea what they're doing, is embarrassing

give them time ffs, people these days have no patience, they will sort this club out

I'd rather have fsg than ffs - I dont trust ffs to get the big decisons right

Macphisto80 · « **Reply #7239 on:** May 17, 2012, 10:06:33 PM »

Quote from: Andy @ Allerton on May 17, 2012, 09:57:39 PM

Fuck me, Boas has let himself go a bit.