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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #4560 on: May 17, 2012, 11:08:26 AM »
I think it was inevitable the pro/anti Rafa debate would take off, everybody might want to say few words now, get it out of your system.

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« Reply #4561 on: May 17, 2012, 11:09:36 AM »
It won't be Rafa we need to look to the future and not the past if we want to push on and move forward, simple as.

I don't get this cliché so frequently thrown about. If Rafa has never managed us before, and looking at his CV, wouldn't he be an absolute prime candidate?

Whats this shit about not looking at the past? I don't get it, I seriously don't. Its tripe, meaningless and inane.
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« Reply #4562 on: May 17, 2012, 11:10:42 AM »
It's an interesting point... 4th place:
2012: 69 points.
2011: 68 points.
2010: 70 points
2009: 72 points
2008: 76 points
2007: 68 points
2006: 67 points

It's true to say that the top 4 has become consistently easier since 2008.
Good point. And despite that, we have grown worse during that period.
Or less points could point to an increase in competition. Depends on how you view it. In fact I don't know how anyone can say it's become easier since 2008. Back then the top 4 was almost picking itself. Since then Spurs and City entered the fray and this season Newcastle had a crack. It might take even less points next season but I don't see how it's easier if 6 or 7 teams are going for 4 places.
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« Reply #4563 on: May 17, 2012, 11:10:57 AM »
Why when Digger recommends Martinez people say its great to listen to someone who knows what he's talking about but when Lawerson does is he's an idiot.

Or when posters recommends Martinez they get shot to smithereens but digger doesn't?
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« Reply #4564 on: May 17, 2012, 11:11:35 AM »
It won't be Rafa we need to look to the future and not the past if we want to push on and move forward, simple as.

Might be true, but look at the pressure that is going to come with the job now. If we don't hit the ground running there will be Hodge all over again.
The 2 people I see able to handle that is Benitez because he knows what to expect. And Capello for the authority he brings with what he has achieved, add to that he just came off one of the toughest job in all of football if you consider what an English manager has to withstand from the press and such. And he actually got Downing preforming  ::)

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« Reply #4565 on: May 17, 2012, 11:12:28 AM »
Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas just ticks all the right boxes for me and from the very little I can peruse from our current owners methodology in the direction they want to take the club he would suit the profile of what they are looking for in a coach.  A young energetic and ambitious coach with a proven track record of success at the highest level, available and not tied to a current club so wont need a big cash pay off, has his finger on the pulse of modern football tactics and coaching methods, has sufficient popularity and clout to impress and attract the best players in Europe. If I was a betting man that's where my money would be going to be honest.

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« Reply #4566 on: May 17, 2012, 11:13:12 AM »
Why when Digger recommends Martinez people say its great to listen to someone who knows what he's talking about but when Lawerson does is he's an idiot.

Or when posters recommends Martinez they get shot to smithereens but digger doesn't?


From the above post, he didn't 'recommend' anybody but gave his opinion. Don't have to agree with it to think he made some sensible points (I don't). And when did Lawrenson recommend Martinez? Lawrenson is a bad bell because he was straight on the radio last night slagging off Rafa.
"My coach told me to warm up just before the break. He told me I was going to take care of Kaka. I didn't think it was possible to turn things around but in the dressing room at halftime Rafa Benitez was calm - "We are Liverpool FC, we have so many fans, we are not going to be slaughtered. If we can score a goal quickly we push on from there.""

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« Reply #4567 on: May 17, 2012, 11:14:02 AM »
change the record lads.
Rafa won't be back under FSG.
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« Reply #4568 on: May 17, 2012, 11:14:35 AM »
One thing for sure, the incoming manager will need to have all the technical abilities many on here have mentioned, but also bottle, and lots of it, along with a tough skin, and this can't be underestimated.
Martinez, Rogers and the like may well have the qualifications, but they will need the hide of a Rhino to take this job, we even slag and criticise our legends, so an outsider will have no chance after the first derby loss/bad cup result.
Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas was buried at Chelsea by hate, and they barely care about their club !!
Probably needs to be someone that has seen it and done it for that reason.
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« Reply #4569 on: May 17, 2012, 11:14:55 AM »
This game has been like this for ages. Fans are divided on what success is and I understand what people say when you look at the financial side of things but pulling the arld bastard card out, I think age plays a part on where you stand on the debate. The older you are the more you are about outright winning than financial winning by a runners up place.

It's posts like this chopper and from andy, which make me ask why did we want to sell the club in the 1st place? If there is a sentiment that money is nothing and local cups are enough, we should have stuck with moores and co...

What I hate is the endless posts between posters, which continue to argue points that ultimately the owners have dictated... Maybe what we all need is an oneil, or fathead or Curbishley to come in and focus on keeping us in the league and focusing on competing in the local cups.... With little spend ... And cross out fingers that we might one day.... Get into the top 4.... It's insane reading posts from andy where top 4 means 4th to him, where as for me it means 1,2,3 or 4th .... But that's enough to cause moral outrage and philosophical arguments on the value of money and the importance or not to lfc about money.....

Imo it seems that people have forgotten why we wanted new ownership .... And if I recollect it wasn't so we could win local cups ESP the carling cup .....

Also as for us having won more than The mancs this season.... Was this opinion made at the time Birmingham / spurs / mancs won the carling cup ie birmingham/ spurs / mancs are better than us as they have a trophy and we don't.... Maybe it's me but I don't remember feeling like that.... And I don't remember many posters stating that case at the time....



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« Reply #4570 on: May 17, 2012, 11:14:55 AM »
From the above post, he didn't 'recommend' anybody but gave his opinion. Don't have to agree with it to think he made some sensible points (I don't). And when did Lawrenson recommend Martinez? Lawrenson is a bad bell because he was straight on the radio last night slagging off Rafa.

I listened to it. He recommended Martinez, he wasn't even sure if he could mention his name as he thought it might be tapping up. Lawerson is a bell but it tends to be a case of double standards. Which can be a little annoying.
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« Reply #4571 on: May 17, 2012, 11:14:59 AM »
It's an interesting point... 4th place:
2012: 69 points.
2011: 68 points.
2010: 70 points
2009: 72 points
2008: 76 points
2007: 68 points
2006: 67 points

It's true to say that the top 4 has become consistently easier since 2008.

Hahahahahahahahahahah. Dear lord, can you not understand that in a more even top 6 it is harder to win more points because you are playing more quality sides that are harder to beat. The points total proves nothing unless you examine the league as a whole.
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« Reply #4572 on: May 17, 2012, 11:15:29 AM »
Fucks sake, I skipped four pages in the hope Zeus has stopped talking about Rafa, but no.

Shut up, you boring bastard!

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« Reply #4573 on: May 17, 2012, 11:15:47 AM »
Why would Digger say anything other than Martinez is a good manager e.t.c

What happens if he goes all out and says he isn't right for Liverpool, and he ends up getting the job?  I'm sure Barnes was asked his opinion and he gave a good answer.

Martinez is a good manager.  Not one of the top managers in the world by a long stretch but he is a good young manager.  I don't think he is what we need right now, but doesn't change my opinion of him.

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« Reply #4574 on: May 17, 2012, 11:16:21 AM »
Might be true, but look at the pressure that is going to come with the job now. If we don't hit the ground running there will be Hodge all over again.
The 2 people I see able to handle that is Benitez because he knows what to expect. And Capello for the authority he brings with what he has achieved, add to that he just came off one of the toughest job in all of football if you consider what an English manager has to withstand from the press and such. And he actually got Downing preforming  ::)

No chance of another Hodgson unless we get another Hodgson. Even if a slightly lower tier candidate like Martinez or Rodgers gets the job they will be supported.

We don't have Hicks and Gillett and they won't try to play the same brand of non football the Hodge played.

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« Reply #4575 on: May 17, 2012, 11:17:54 AM »
Fucks sake, I skipped four pages in the hope Zeus has stopped talking about Rafa, but no.

Shut up, you boring bastard!
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« Reply #4576 on: May 17, 2012, 11:18:07 AM »
I listened to it. He recommended Martinez, he wasn't even sure if he could mention his name as he thought it might be tapping up. Lawerson is a bell but it tends to be a case of double standards. Which can be a little annoying.

Well he's twat not because he recommended Martinez but because of all the other nonsense he spouts. How is that double standards?
"My coach told me to warm up just before the break. He told me I was going to take care of Kaka. I didn't think it was possible to turn things around but in the dressing room at halftime Rafa Benitez was calm - "We are Liverpool FC, we have so many fans, we are not going to be slaughtered. If we can score a goal quickly we push on from there.""

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« Reply #4577 on: May 17, 2012, 11:18:32 AM »
pretty sure it won't be rafa, they'll look for a young upcoming manager, think they'll want Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas.

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« Reply #4578 on: May 17, 2012, 11:18:34 AM »
Why when Digger recommends Martinez people say its great to listen to someone who knows what he's talking about but when Lawerson does is he's an idiot.

Or when posters recommends Martinez they get shot to smithereens but digger doesn't?

Martinez would be a good option for a club like Villa or Newcastle wanting to try a new and upcoming manager.

We need a manager who has proven himself on a lot higher stage.

I dont care if it was Barnes or Lawrenson who suggested Martinez, but both of them are wrong if they did.

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« Reply #4579 on: May 17, 2012, 11:18:56 AM »
He took the flak for the owners lack of investment.

With supportive owners and no Purslow to undermine him constantly in the press, why would he take any shit?

If he has a problem with the press there is only one way to sort it out - with results. I'd back him to get those results.

The press can't stand him mate.From the very first time He came in.Long before that rat purslow came along.His second away game at Bolton.The Zonal marking crap started by Andy Gray.Then it was Rafa Rotation.Even though every manager in the country now does it.Two holding midfielders.He's a negative boring manager.Now a lot of the top managers in the game to it.His methods were alien to them.They were forward thinking.But they didn't like them because they were't "British".He was johnny foreigner who they used as they're play thing.



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« Reply #4580 on: May 17, 2012, 11:19:02 AM »
Id love rafa to take the position just to see what he could do with competent, supportive management & owners for a change!

Frankly what he achieved in the league and CL was nothing short of miraculous given our business and financial ineptitude. Add to that he overhauled both the medical and academy staff (when given the opportunity) that we are starting to reap the benefits of now. Add to that his ability to attract the type of players that he did was amazing, especially when you consider where many of them are playing now after they left. We had a first 11 to rival chelseas with nowhere near the same cost but we couldnt challenge for the league because he didnt have the money to really build a strong squad that could do that. Add to that he fought for the club against ppl who were destroying it and sounded the alarm bells so that we as fans could do something about it!! no doubt he made mistakes along the way but he gave the club everything and to me he's an absolute hero.

Now I have to read endless posts about how he should have been doing better! I'd really like to know which genius of a manager could have done a better job at a club given that we were being asset stripped and on the verge of administration!!! i doubt any manager of the quality of rafa would have given us a second look.

Just admit that you were wrong zeus (theres no shame in it) so this dam thread can move on.

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« Reply #4581 on: May 17, 2012, 11:19:11 AM »
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« Reply #4582 on: May 17, 2012, 11:19:44 AM »
People are saying that its time for the club to move forward, some said getting kenny back was a mistake but history is unavoidable in all walks of life.

Let's look at the realistic options available to us. We have the managers of the lesser teams in our league, working with players below world class, use to working under little real pressure from owners or press. Now history shows us that we tried that with Roy and he left us as a (lower) mid table club. He couldn't cope with the egos, the fans nor media.

Then we have Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas say what you like he us unproven at the highest level and would be no more likely to get us top 4 than Kenny had he stayed.

Then there is Rafa. If he was a man who had never managed Liverpool then most fans (and probably owners too) would have him as the first name on the list. Has always done well with less money than teams around him. Is young enough to give the club 10 years, knows how to run a youth system, can deal with press and will happily drop older players. Now history tells FSG he can be difficult, the fans may not like him, the media hate him and some see him as a cult hero but ultimately he is a winner, just so happens he's a winner who loves LFC so much he'd probably manage us for free.

My point I guess is if they are going use history to discount Rafa then they should use history to discount Martinez and co too. If they don't take a very serious look at Rafa then I worry they care more for their own comfort than they do the club.

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« Reply #4583 on: May 17, 2012, 11:19:55 AM »
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« Reply #4584 on: May 17, 2012, 11:20:24 AM »
I have to admit, I am very disappointed.  This is supposed to be Liverpool Football Club, and we are supposed to be the most knowledgeable fans in the world. Let me tell you that is no longer the case and bit by bit, over the last 15 years or so, we seem to have lost what it means to be associated with this wonderful club.

I won't forget what Benitez did right, but I also won't forget what he did wrong.

I made my opinion on him after six seasons and the club as a whole.  In Europe he was great, in the league he underachieved IMO.

He took us to our highest ever points tally in the league twice, got us in to two European Cup finals, an FA Cup final and a Carling Cup final on a shoe-string budget. I have the utmost respect for Rafa and believe he should never have been sacked, and for the record he is by far my favorite for the job; I'm not sure that he will be here next season, but I'd prefer him to almost any other manager in the world to take over. Anyway...

No matter what happens I will still be disappointed. I'm not old enough to remember the last time we won the league but I have watched the DVDs, spoken to wise older fans (mainly on here) and have always felt a natural connection to the club and indeed the city, despite not being from Liverpool myself. However, when I was down the boozer yesterday afternoon and the news filtered through to me that Kenny had been sacked, I was shocked, annoyed, and more than anything, felt I had almost lost my connection to the club.

I've always been a believer in patience. Maybe because I have never seen Liverpool win the title, I don't have the expectancy for instant success the way some of the older fans may do after they saw Liverpool winning everything whilst they were growing up. Everyone would assume that because I am in my early twenties that I must be part of the 'Sky Generation', well let me tell you, I know many fans 10-15 years older than me that are far more akin to this label than I. In fact, I think we as supporters have to take some of the responsibility. You can't just blame Sky. A lad or lass may hear or see something on the TV/radio and take it in and repeat it to anyone that will listen, at this point, we should be putting them right, educating them. Instead we find find it easier to mock them and and put a big sticky label on their heads. The same way when something doesn't come right after one season, many find it easier to take a legend and call for his head. Even if there wasn't to many doing it to Kenny, plenty did it for Rafa. The grass is always greener it seems, when clearly it isn't. You force a world class manager out of the club, and replace him with a yes man. We get rid of the yes man after 6 months, bring in a club legend, and in under 18 months he is gone too, because he spent however many millions and we are no better off than we were the year before. It's simply not enough time to build a team, and for that team to settle.

Now we will bring in a new manager with new ideas and we will have to rebuild again, which will hold us back all the more if you ask me. It's like hiring contractors to build you a new house, and when, after 6 months, you decide you don't like the colour of the bricks and the shape of the house, even though it's far from finished, sacking the contractors, paying them off their contracts, and getting new people in to knock down the house and start again. Six months down the line, you again decide that you're not sure the house is coming along the way you had anticipated and not as quickly as you'd expected, so you sack the contractors, get some new ones in, let them tear the house down and start again, and then it rains for 9 months straight. Where do you find yourself? Homeless, that's where. It's cliched, but it dd take Fergie 9 years to win his first title. Imagine where United would be now if they had sacked him after two seasons? We'd no doubt still be the most successful club in the England and United would be bitter and still holding onto what they could have been were it not for the 1958 disaster.  Ferguson did get a chance though, he did get the opportunity to build his own house and the time required to do it, and look at United now. They may have come unstuck against moneybags City this season, but they'll still be there and there abouts, despite this,  for a few years yet, probably until Fergie retires and they have to rebuild the club again. They may well spend 2-3 seasons out of the top 3 or 4, but as long as Ferguson still has a role at the club and oversees the manager to make sure he is given support and time, they'll soon be back, just like we could have been, and maybe still can be, but our attitude needs to change.

I think Kenny should have been given another year. We didn't have to spend vast amounts in the summer, just a few good additions here and there and a couple of out goings, and we'd have had a squad strong enough to compete in the top four. After Rafas team was stripped, I think anyone with an ounce of football insight knew it would take us two summers to have a squad as strong as the teams that finished in the top four this year. Had injuries and other things not gone against us, we could have just snuck in there, but I think at the beginning of the season it was unfair to assume we would be a top four side.

Now don't get me wrong, Kenny made mistakes, Rafa made mistakes, managers are human and so are players. Lucas' absence should have been covered in January, and a striker should have been drafted in to try and chip in with a few goals, and help take the pressure off Andy and Luis. We didn't do these things, we paid the price, a lesson learnt. It turned out to be a hell of a lesson for Kenny, as it effectively cost him his job, his long term project, and now we are back to square one.

So, I was upset when Rafa went, I think it's even more of a travesty that Kenny has gone (his record is nowhere near as good as Rafas, but for Christ sake, he is Kenny Dalglish!) and I can't help but wonder how this came about. I mean that in terms of the nature in which he was dismissed. Was he asked to step down and refused? I'd imagine that if the yanks had any shred of humility that this would have been the case, and as he refused they made the decision. I can understand where they are coming from in a business sense; they are obviously successful men who aim to win, but I wonder if they know enough about the nature of football and the differences it hold to baseball, to really make these sorts of decisions. Football is not clear cut and logical like baseball. In football numbers mean little, apart from the points tally at the end of the season. There are so many variables in football that you can not ensure success because you feel you have the right formula and because the winger you have just signed had the most assists in the league last year, it doesn't mean he is going to fit straight in and do the same again. Football is far more than just numbers. There has to be a familiarity between players, there must be understanding and an intelligence to put together the right patterns to win games. This doesn't happen by looking at numbers and assuming that two players will work well together because they're numbers look as though they will correlate well (see Downing and Carroll). The numbers do have a say, but you need to give them time to work each other out. They won't just instantly match because we in our brains or a computer can add them together almost instantly, players need time to adjust and learn each others game; in a manner speaking, you must give the numbers the chance to add themselves up. Next season Downing may give Carroll 15 assists, but would that be because another manager has come in, or because Carroll and Downing have had a season to get themselves on the same wavelength and work out each others game?

However, the chances are now that a new manager will come in, decide that one or both of these players doesn't fit in with a style of team he wants to build, will get shipped out for a pretty big loss, bring in their own players, who will take a year to settle, under achieve, and end up getting this new manager the sack after a season because once again the players have failed to deliver for the prices they cost.

It's ridiculous, and if this is the new owners idea of how we will progress and build a long term dynasty, then I am seriously concerned. Almost as concerned as I am by the attitude of many of our 'fans' who seem to give this approach the thumbs up and support the sacking of good managers before, in my opinion, it's due. A friend of mine, a Liverpool 'supporter' came out with this his Facebook status recently.

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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #4585 on: May 17, 2012, 11:21:37 AM »
So all this talk of Benitez under achieving?

Surely if he consistently got us into the top 4 (barring his final season) then, in comparison to the last 2 seasons, then it must mean Benitez over achieved?

Basically I am saying that Benitez achievements look like an over achievement if you look at the state of tr club now. And as people have said, the league was much stronger then than it is now.

And those who say that Kenny should not be sacked, then that is beyond me when the very same people say that Benitez was rightly sacked for "underachieving" when clearly, Kenny has underacheived to another level.
Lots of detractors arguing themselves in a cornered stupor mate.
If they can't get away with "Benitez" under-achieving, they switch to the "dross" he bought. Show 'em up on it by pointing out that if that was "dross", he certainly "over achieved", then they go down to the amount of money that he "wasted". Point out "net spend" to them, then they jump to the next set of media-induced nonsense such as how he is a "divisive figure", how he "lost the plot"(that's an Andy Gray give-away), while he only had our interests at heart.

And on and on and on... circular arguments and reasoning that just expose them as the media's "sleeper droids". Flip a switch and they come to live.
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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #4586 on: May 17, 2012, 11:21:39 AM »
One thing for sure, the incoming manager will need to have all the technical abilities many on here have mentioned, but also bottle, and lots of it, along with a tough skin, and this can't be underestimated.
Martinez, Rogers and the like may well have the qualifications, but they will need the hide of a Rhino to take this job, we even slag and criticise our legends, so an outsider will have no chance after the first derby loss/bad cup result.
Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas was buried at Chelsea by hate, and they barely care about their club !!
Probably needs to be someone that has seen it and done it for that reason.
Agree with this...just look at Kenny as the season went on and Rafa in the last years to see how the pressure and expectation takes its toll..
Martinez, Rodgers and the like in my opinion would not be able to cope and another hodgepodge situation would occur  for sure...Managing Liverpool is a dream for most managers in the world and you cant blame anyone for taking the job if offered but it comes with massive pressures..

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« Reply #4587 on: May 17, 2012, 11:21:51 AM »
Ignore lists are useful.  ;)

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13/8 Andre Villas-Boas

7/2 Roberto Martínez

7/2 Brendan Rodgers

9/2 Rafa Benitez

the only reason Rafa is at 9/2 is because hopeful Rafa fans are throwing money at it, in the hope that it will come true.
it's not an accurate reflection of his chances.
which are zero.

I'd be absolutely stunned if he got the job.
I'd have no objection mind, but I'd be gobsmacked beyond words.
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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #4588 on: May 17, 2012, 11:22:11 AM »
Why when Digger recommends Martinez people say its great to listen to someone who knows what he's talking about but when Lawerson does is he's an idiot.

Or when posters recommends Martinez they get shot to smithereens but digger doesn't?

Lawrenson is a massive bell.
He said Kenny's job was safe on the BBC website about 3 hours before he got sacked.
He's a massive bell.

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« Reply #4589 on: May 17, 2012, 11:23:54 AM »
Word Thief ‏@Richard_Buxton_
Just left #LFC HQ, here Ian Ayre was addressing concerns about club following Dalglish's sacking. Key message was: there is no crisis.

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Also informed that Steve Clarke continues to be employed by #LFC despite suggestions that he has left the club.

He was just on sky and they asked him about age and he said that no candidate would be included or excluded because of criteria like that. He was also asked about Rafa and that maybe after Kenny we should not be "going back" again and he again said that no candidate would be included or excluded for that reason.

Looks like they will give everyone a chance to throw their hat in the ring and then wittle them down.

They have put huge pressure on themselves to get it right now either way.
Somebody said recently that having Rafa as the manager means not giving a shit who you get in a Champions' League draw...........

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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #4590 on: May 17, 2012, 11:24:01 AM »
Word Thief ‏@Richard_Buxton_
Just left #LFC HQ, here Ian Ayre was addressing concerns about club following Dalglish's sacking. Key message was: there is no crisis.

Word Thief ‏@Richard_Buxton_
Also informed that Steve Clarke continues to be employed by #LFC despite suggestions that he has left the club.

Thanks for this, although have no idea who the twitter user is - really hoping that SC is staying on, I think he has been brilliant helping us out at the back this season (despite some unravelling in the latter part).  Would be a double body blow IMO if we lost both Kenny and Steve.  Hopefully if he stays the next manager would have the sense to keep him on, as well...

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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #4591 on: May 17, 2012, 11:24:04 AM »
the only reason Rafa is at 9/2 is because hopeful Rafa fans are throwing money at it, in the hope that it will come true.
it's not an accurate reflection of his chances.
which are zero.

I'd be absolutely stunned if he got the job.
I'd have no objection mind, but I'd be gobsmacked beyond words.

And why would you be so surprised?
He's a big-headed, boring, talentless, guileless, clueless, finger sniffing, face rubbing, 4-4-2 playing, bullshitting, media loving, Ferguson noshing, clunge rocket of a man, and I fucking love being smalltime when it comes to saying so.

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« Reply #4592 on: May 17, 2012, 11:24:55 AM »
I just wonder if Rafa would consent to waive a signing bonus or reduce his wages by the amount of the compensation Cecil paid him to cancel his contract two years ago if we agreed to resign him.  Doubt it, but it would be interesting to find out.

Anyway, of the realistic options, Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas is far and away the best, for me.  I was a huge fan of him coming out of Portugal, and I think we're a bit fortunate that the Chelsea thing went so badly - in a way, it makes him a more realistic target for us.  If he hadn't gone there I don't think he'd even consider coming here right now.
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« Reply #4593 on: May 17, 2012, 11:25:54 AM »
Thanks. Some sense after listening to the likes of Lawrenson yesterday.
Digger doesn't bullshit, he has some solid morals and always speaks well. I'll extend that to Trigger too.

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« Reply #4594 on: May 17, 2012, 11:25:55 AM »
Word Thief ‏@Richard_Buxton_
Just left #LFC HQ, here Ian Ayre was addressing concerns about club following Dalglish's sacking. Key message was: there is no crisis.

Word Thief ‏@Richard_Buxton_
Also informed that Steve Clarke continues to be employed by #LFC despite suggestions that he has left the club.

Very interesting that.  Perhaps he's just helping in a transitional period and will leave once a new manager has been appointed.  Don't know why we'd keep him around with everything else being such a clean sweep.  Wouldn't mind seeing him take over as manager as it would be some form of continuity, but it doesn't sound like there's much of a chance of that happening.

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« Reply #4595 on: May 17, 2012, 11:27:17 AM »
If Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas gets the job, Steve Clarke may well stay on in his coaching staff after their time together at Chelsea under Mourinho

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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #4596 on: May 17, 2012, 11:27:29 AM »
Thanks for this, although have no idea who the twitter user is - really hoping that SC is staying on, I think he has been brilliant helping us out at the back this season (despite some unravelling in the latter part).  Would be a double body blow IMO if we lost both Kenny and Steve.  Hopefully if he stays the next manager would have the sense to keep him on, as well...

Really hope Steve Clarke stays.

Seeing Man City and Tottenham and comparing them to Arsenal shows how important Assistants and number 2's are. Every Arsenal fan i know is envious of Steve Clarke as they all now Pat Rice is shite.

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« Reply #4597 on: May 17, 2012, 11:27:37 AM »
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it's not an accurate reflection of his chances.
which are zero.


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« Reply #4598 on: May 17, 2012, 11:28:02 AM »
the only reason Rafa is at 9/2 is because hopeful Rafa fans are throwing money at it, in the hope that it will come true.
it's not an accurate reflection of his chances.
which are zero.

Do you have any knowledge to back that up (don't want to know who told you, just IF someone told you he's not going to be appointed) or are you just talking out of your arse?

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« Reply #4599 on: May 17, 2012, 11:28:13 AM »
Seeing it from Spain i think that Benitez would be a good option. Reading some post I found out things like " he still have enemies in the club, in the office and among players". Who in the office, what players? Being a Madrid fan I like to consider that there are a club for "big clubs": Madrid, Barsa, Liverpool, Milan, Juve, Manchester, Bayern, Inter..", most of the rest are new rich or small teams with some golden years. The last time that everybody in the world considered Liverpool in that club was with Benitez. The big teams have to be in champions league, doesn´t matter what. Benitez style is boring, because of that he was fired from Valencia but with sheiks and petrol owners around this is the only possible style to fight them (with money to pay Silva, Snejder, kun,etc is easy to play "nice football") At this football economical moment I don´t see Liverpool winning premier. The only option is to get a very long team. With Benitez you beat my madrid 4-0!!, you won Mourinho´s Chelsea...i mean..you were a very serious team to be scare. As you probably know Quilón, Rafa´s agent is VERY powerful in Spain, is a guarantee to not get cheat in the transfers. Anyway Martinez can be also a good option, don´t be so hard with him, he looks a loyal person, young, polite and taste for offensive football. Vilas Boas is too young...he is going to quick to the top, after failing in chelsea he should stop in a medium team for a while.