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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #2120 on: May 16, 2012, 09:01:49 PM »
The Svengali is rumoured to be Arsenal fan David Dein.

Yeah the same man that voted to keep us out of the Champions League for the 05/06 season. Lovely man.

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« Reply #2121 on: May 16, 2012, 09:01:58 PM »
If it were an open forum and all the managers were assembled with their accomplishments, their understanding of the City. Of the Club. Of the aspirations, aims and ideals and their view of the English media machine.

There can be only one.

You know it. I know it. Many on here know it. A fair few hate it.

But it's true.

Exactly right.
From here on in its all FSG's doing. Good or bad they will stand or fall by the decisions they have made in the summer of 2012. Lets hope they have gotten it right.

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« Reply #2122 on: May 16, 2012, 09:02:17 PM »
Mourinho would be my first choice

you really want that kind of person at this club, were have you been over the last few years to see this guy is scum?

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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #2123 on: May 16, 2012, 09:02:32 PM »
i am so fucking angry that i am not even thinking straight.........can you imagine John smiths or Peter Robinsons take on what has just happened today ? sacking Kenny Dalglish from LFC ! that cant be what LFC have become ........god help this club because some of the fans we now have coupled with the asset management owners in charge, are going to change this club beyond all recognition.....we may as well shut that museum down at anfield because it is no longer anything to do with what this club is today or will be here on in.........today i feel ashamed of LFC, absolutely fucking ashamed of what we have become......trophies no longer count.....

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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #2124 on: May 16, 2012, 09:02:33 PM »
Coral were offering odds for Gary Neville earlier on oddschecker ::) (admittedly 100/1, but still...)

Villas-Boas and Rafa remain the only two I like at the supposedly realistic end of the odds.

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« Reply #2125 on: May 16, 2012, 09:02:38 PM »
Depends how long term you're talking about. He wants the Prem job to be his last challenge doesn't he? Capello has a winning mentality (I know he didn't show it that much for England). Can't imagine that his challenge is anything but achieving the very most. So if he did end up leaving it would be because he achieved success. Who knows. Would prefer a manager to leave after having been successful than a shite one getting fired like, obviously.
Completely agree with everything you said but I don't know maybe it's just gut feeling that tells me he'd be here for about 2-3 years and feck off but sure if he turned us around it could be worthwhile. I like Capello, always have done and he knows how to win leagues. Can't imagine him falling for Fergie's crap either.
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« Reply #2126 on: May 16, 2012, 09:03:05 PM »
Pereira has only lost one this season would you want him? Im not saying Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas is a bad manager at all but one very successfully season in a poor league with a great group of players does not make him some sort of genius. I was surprised he got the Chelsea job & to me on the touch line he looked like he ran out of ideas. His style of play does not fit our squad at all. A more experienced manager would be far more suited to us just dont buy into this new crazy for really young managers.

I disagree with that. Think the high line and pressing game he implements would suit us down to a tee.

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« Reply #2127 on: May 16, 2012, 09:03:11 PM »
you really want that kind of person at this club, were have you been over the last few years to see this guy is scum?

he wanted rafa sacked also.
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« Reply #2128 on: May 16, 2012, 09:03:17 PM »
Isn't Capello rumored to be going to Chelsea?

I do like Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas. The concern about him is how he reacts under pressure. He pretty much had a nervous breakdown in the end at Chelsea due to player power. And I'm not sure if our dressing room is much easier. There are Gerrard and Carra, and judging the disgusting lack of effort from many players this season, I'm not sure they will be so easy to work with.

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« Reply #2129 on: May 16, 2012, 09:03:17 PM »
Ok. I'm going to attempt to put an alternative spin on this.  I'd like to point out that I'm not saying I agree with any of this, but only offer a differing view.

When FSG came in they spent some time looking at the club, it's history and it's potential.  Having done that they established that the wage bill was a joke, the stadium plans were in disarray and our commercials were ignoring some lucrative markets around the world.  One thing they also noticed was that while the history of the club is rich and something to be cherished, we are rooted in the past and that it was at times holding us back.

They established that what was needed in order to restore LFC to the top was a root and branch change... of everything.  One problem.  Roy Hodgsons failure pushed the FSG agenda.  A caretaker was needed.  And in came Kenny Dalglish.  Kenny, despite early successes did not represent the concept of a root and branch change to the club and the way it operates.  Nonetheless, FSG trusted in him, knowing the danger of replacing a living icon.

Now that the club has failed to meet the expectations (CL footie) FSG have decided to return to the original plan.  A complete and total revolution.  That means changing not only the staff but the mentality of the club.  Now I don't think for a second that FSG want to throw away our history, but I do think they feel some traditions are less important and that to succeed in the modern era we may need to make some difficult decisions (like over the stadium).

Again, I'm not saying that I agree with the concept of a total revolution, but I can see an argument for it, and it may explain the reasoning behind a number of the decisions recently.  The problem is what happens when the revolution crosses paths with a part of our club we don't want harmed (Kenny).

Excellent summary and, I think, right on the money.

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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #2130 on: May 16, 2012, 09:03:21 PM »
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I was asking a honest question mate, if what Stephen Martin is true (big if) it makes no sense to me that Kenny would turn down a resignation package if he did not want to force the hands of FSG to sack him off.

why would kenny say they acted professionally and promote the fans support of FSG by giving a positive statement as he did. I think if he was offered a package he would have taken it and kept the supporters on side. I think he would have known the reaction of most supporters in relation to his sacking and would have wanted to keep the peace as some put it. I am not sure what Stephen Martin said would be true to be honest.

Having said that football died as a sport way before today, it was a business as of 1990, and some even say before then. I cant blame FSG for protecting their investment, and I cant blame everyone else for being upset. Its like when something bad happens to someone else, and you say to yourself that will never happen to me. Well it has today, and most people are noticing for the first time, some for the hundredth, that football is all dollars and no sense. For me though, kenny is a legend, however no one person is greater then the legend of our club, and that includes Henry. Dont give up on the Reds, I am sure what all you old timers saw years ago is still there, you just need to reach down and see it despite what is happening all around you and the nature of the game. Forget what Whelan says, the soul in our club isn't about fixtures and fittings, or who greets you when you come to anfield. its about voices in the stands and i still hear and see it everytime i watch a game despite the distance i live away.

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« Reply #2131 on: May 16, 2012, 09:03:30 PM »
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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #2132 on: May 16, 2012, 09:03:32 PM »
If we're going to go down the route of instant win, we need to be spending 2-300m in each summer in order to have a chance of that instant win. I can't see us spending that big.
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« Reply #2133 on: May 16, 2012, 09:03:43 PM »
we don't necessarily need a manger from a big club (we got Shanks from Huddersfield),
or a manger with lots of experience,
or a manager who has already won lots of big trophies.

we just need the 'right' manager.
in the same way that Hodge was the 'wrong' manager.

he must fit the DNA of the club, and must be able to inspire and motivate players and fans alike.
there's lots of names being thrown about here, but none of us really know how any of those might work out for certain.
in many ways it's a bit of a lottery.
finding the 'right' manager is going to take an almighty inspired decision, one which could have reverberations for years to come.
if not, it's back to square one.
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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #2134 on: May 16, 2012, 09:03:57 PM »
Suprised Unai Emery hasn't got a mention

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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #2135 on: May 16, 2012, 09:04:02 PM »
Just my opinions, but don't think we'll see Rafa back here whilst Gerrard and Carra are playing for us. I'd love to see Rafa back personally. He has a project to finish.

Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas I would consider, but the media would be baying for blood from the off. But then, I suppose 'cos it's us they would anyway (and probably would too with Rafa)

Martinez can go to Villa if he's looking to 'move on'. Brendan should stay at Swansea.


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« Reply #2136 on: May 16, 2012, 09:04:12 PM »
Its RAFA. Nobody else can fill the void that has been created.

Don't be so dramatic.
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« Reply #2137 on: May 16, 2012, 09:04:13 PM »
I'm worried that whoever comes in unless it's rafa won't be backed by the fans
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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #2138 on: May 16, 2012, 09:04:19 PM »
[Tepid Water]Our next manager isn't going to be Benitez[/Tepid Water]
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« Reply #2139 on: May 16, 2012, 09:04:22 PM »
Bring back Rafa!!!!  He is the one and only choice.  Loves the club, proven at bringing success and worshiped by the fans...

I would LOVE to see him back.

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« Reply #2140 on: May 16, 2012, 09:04:30 PM »
A sad day , but from a football point of view it was expected.

It was a failure of a season from a football point of view, finishing 8th in the league was totally unacceptable. We won as many games as we lost.

I personally would like Rafa back, but then again Guardiola would be a very interesting appointment. Certainly don't want any of this Martinez or Rodgers stuff

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« Reply #2141 on: May 16, 2012, 09:04:45 PM »
Regarding Clarke, he is still listed as staff on .tv. There has also been no mention of him in other press statements on there.

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« Reply #2142 on: May 16, 2012, 09:05:07 PM »
If FSG decide to go for anyone else other than Rafa then they will be doubling the pressure on the new guy. It's clear from this forum and many other Liverpool forums that he is still very much well respected and highly thought of, and it would take a monster appointment of Guardiola proportions to appease those who want Rafa back.
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« Reply #2143 on: May 16, 2012, 09:05:14 PM »
we don't necessarily need a manger from a big club (we got Shanks from Huddersfield),
or a manger with lots of experience,
or a manager who has already won lots of big trophies.

we just need the 'right' manager.
in the same way that Hodge was the 'wrong' manager.

he must fit the DNA of the club, and must be able to inspire and motivate players and fans alike.
there's lots of names being thrown about here, but none of us really know how any of those might work out for certain.
in many ways it's a bit of a lottery.
finding the 'right' manager is going to take an almighty inspired decision, one which could have reverberations for years to come.
if not, it's back to square one.


There is a man who fits that profile but we've just sacked him.
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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #2144 on: May 16, 2012, 09:05:18 PM »
...We could always wait until after the Euro Championships - see who is around then??

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« Reply #2145 on: May 16, 2012, 09:05:23 PM »
If it were an open forum and all the managers were assembled with their accomplishments, their understanding of the City. Of the Club. Of the aspirations, aims and ideals and their view of the English media machine.

YThere can be only one.

You know it. I know it. Many on here know it. A fair few hate it.

But it's true.

But do they know it? If they want a man hell bent on success at all costs the best man warts n all then Rafa is their man. How ambitious are they. If they want a safe bet and someone who they can control and sack without a fan revolt then its probably someone like martinez. Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas would be somewhat of a halfway house for me. I think its a measure of how ambitious and brave they are. 
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« Reply #2146 on: May 16, 2012, 09:05:31 PM »
Regarding Clarke, he is still listed as staff on .tv. There has also been no mention of him in other press statements on there.

Local press have him down as terminated too.  Ultimately though, once the new manager is in place surely he will want his own staff in place.
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« Reply #2147 on: May 16, 2012, 09:05:33 PM »
Its RAFA. Nobody else can fill the void that has been created.
Don't do this to yourself, mate.

There's no way in the midst of the fallout they're witnessing from sacking a club legend will FSG even consider Rafa. 18 months after buying the club, FSG will want to make their mark with their own appointee. They don't want more baggage.

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« Reply #2148 on: May 16, 2012, 09:05:50 PM »
Good luck Kenny. The supporters will always be with you.

Hope he is back in some capacity next season.

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« Reply #2149 on: May 16, 2012, 09:05:53 PM »
Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas has experience at the mighty nation of British Virgin Islands.

Wouldn't be too bad I suppose but will he insist on playing this high line for Liverpool to?

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« Reply #2150 on: May 16, 2012, 09:05:59 PM »
The irony of that post and your username is too brilliant to ignore.

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« Reply #2151 on: May 16, 2012, 09:06:02 PM »
Step up Jamie Carragher  ;)

When this gets mentioned i can just picture him lining the players up practicing that little hop he does before hitting it long. :-)
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« Reply #2152 on: May 16, 2012, 09:06:16 PM »
I'm worried that whoever comes in unless it's rafa won't be backed by the fans

This site is goin to go into meltdown when the owners appoint someone else other then Rafa.
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« Reply #2153 on: May 16, 2012, 09:06:27 PM »
[Tepid Water]Our next manager isn't going to be Benitez[/Tepid Water]
Fuck knows....

I guess he probably doesnt fit the profile that FSG are looking for......

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« Reply #2154 on: May 16, 2012, 09:06:52 PM »
...We could always wait until after the Euro Championships - see who is around then??

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« Reply #2155 on: May 16, 2012, 09:08:07 PM »
How many people from FSG actually had a say in this sacking?

How can you have confidence in hard nosed business men that know fuck all about the club or football.

And what exactly do these knee-jerkers actually want?
A young manager, a board and a team of yes men, follow the 'Arsenal model', and do it all with the least amount of investment possible. That's where we're headed it seems.

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« Reply #2156 on: May 16, 2012, 09:08:39 PM »
Rafa is far from the one and only choice. A lot of us love him and he would be a great choice IMO, but there are a lot of very talented managers we should be looking at. We need to find the best man to work under the system FSG are looking to implement at this club. That may very well be Rafa, but to say he's the only choice is discounting a lot of pretty accomplished men.
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« Reply #2157 on: May 16, 2012, 09:08:39 PM »
we don't necessarily need a manger from a big club (we got Shanks from Huddersfield),
or a manger with lots of experience,
or a manager who has already won lots of big trophies.

we just need the 'right' manager.
in the same way that Hodge was the 'wrong' manager.

he must fit the DNA of the club, and must be able to inspire and motivate players and fans alike.
there's lots of names being thrown about here, but none of us really know how any of those might work out for certain.
in many ways it's a bit of a lottery.
finding the 'right' manager is going to take an almighty inspired decision, one which could have reverberations for years to come.
if not, it's back to square one.

In my view it's important to get somebody who cares and/or has an affinity for the club rather than somebody after a career move.

Rafa fits all the criteria. Hope Rafa cranks up the pressure by throwing his hat in the ring publicly.

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Re: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck...
« Reply #2158 on: May 16, 2012, 09:09:02 PM »
i am so fucking angry that i am not even thinking straight.........can you imagine John smiths or Peter Robinsons take on what has just happened today ? sacking Kenny Dalglish from LFC ! that cant be what LFC have become ........god help this club because some of the fans we now have coupled with the asset management owners in charge, are going to change this club beyond all recognition.....we may as well shut that museum down at anfield because it is no longer anything to do with what this club is today or will be here on in.........today i feel ashamed of LFC, absolutely fucking ashamed of what we have become......trophies no longer count.....

Love Kenny and he is and always will be LFC......

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« Reply #2159 on: May 16, 2012, 09:09:04 PM »
Sad day for sure. I've said it many times before, but FSG have got a long way to go before they earn my full trust and today doesn't help.