Author Topic: The King is gone, long live the next one and good luck... (Read 205489 times)

Rafaroy · « **Reply #520 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:43:28 PM »

Thank you Kenny. Long live the king YNWA.

Deadly 60 · « **Reply #521 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:43:30 PM »

Okay, first of all Yes I have said before I did not think Dalglish was the one to get Liverpool back into the top 4 and I am not going to hide or shy away from what I said.

I will however say that I am disappointed that he was not given enough of an opportunity to prove me wrong, lord knows he deserves it.

There was a time I was obsessed with the sport to the point an ex girlfriend considered leaving me as I went to football over seeing her! Today a group of friends asked me what I thought of the England Euro 2012 squad and I just shrugged.

Maybe FSG are hoping this will drive away the "fans" and bring in more middle class supporters to fill their exec boxes.

Haemogoblin · « **Reply #522 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:43:31 PM »

What have the likes of Martinez and Rodgers done in their careers to deserve to take Kenny Dalglish's seat? LFC aren't your fucking stepping stone, you need to prove yourself at the top first.

I really hope there's something of a positive conclusion to all this, that the role is filled by someone who's earned it, and that the King can return to take a role at the club once the dust has settled, and pride and other emotions are not so raw.

You sure as hell better know what you're doing here, FSG, and it better be pretty damn good to make up for all this.

El_Capitán · « **Reply #523 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:43:34 PM »

Tony Evans on talksport now, you can tell he's a combination of frustrated and angry.

Mr Rossi · « **Reply #524 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:43:40 PM »

What a very sad day this. The players should take a real good look at themselves. Let a very good man down. A man who put his entire trust in them. Hope some of them are shipped out asap to be honest.

thelinnen · « **Reply #525 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:43:46 PM »

Still trust FSG. Let's not pretend they are the new H&G. They've put alot of their own money into the club and they aren't asset stripping or saddling it with debt.

G1 Jockey 4(betfair) · « **Reply #526 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:43:48 PM »

Quote from: gerrardlfc on May 16, 2012, 05:40:31 PM

But that same team are now in the CL Final, they put in a shift for Di Matteo?

hardly a shift getting 9 behind the ball.

although they do seemed to have prefered his methods.

Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas will do well where he can change a squad to his liking.

ours has too many non energetic types with few too many brain cells too.

Believe · « **Reply #527 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:43:52 PM »

Sad to see these events unfolding - I think we all knew this could happen as 2012 has been dreadful league wise. I think many people feared this could be the end result of Kenny coming back and it must have been an incredibly difficult decision by FSG. The abuse they are getting on here is laughable - many might not agree with the decision but a decision had to be made and they are showing that they will do whatever it takes (in their opinion) to put the club back in the business of competing on all fronts. Including making hard and unpopular decisions.

The new man has to be Rafa. Knows the club, would hit the ground running, unfinished business, available without compensation etc, amazing European pedigree and a Liverpool man through and through.

hugoboss · « **Reply #528 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:44:07 PM »

Feel bad for Kenny and wish him the best, he will always be a LEGEND.

In the end there were lots of reasons to keep him and lots of reasons to fire him.

The next step is more important though we need to bring in the new CEO or DoF who can bring in the manager they want and get back to developing the squad. Seeing as FSG have decided to sack Kenny i presume there will be a very reasonable amount of money available.

Renato · « **Reply #529 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:44:09 PM »

Quote from: craniumfishdalf on May 16, 2012, 05:40:23 PM

Don't put Martinez in the same bracket as the other two, it shows your naievity.

I agree those two finished much higher than Martinez with fewer resources, big chasm in ability.

kermit^^ · « **Reply #530 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:44:20 PM »

I feel devastated. Seems like we never learn from the Rafa incident. Having the same feeling when Rafa "left".

Long live King Kenny!

Hope some of the players have a long look at themselves and offer to be shipped out asap.

LiverLuke · « **Reply #531 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:44:25 PM »

please not rodgers/lambert/martinez, we'd be fucked then.

Thanks for everything King Kenny, you are of course a living legend.

Uhoh AureliOs · « **Reply #532 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:44:27 PM »

Thanks for everything Kenny. It shouldn't have ended like this.

montysmum · « **Reply #533 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:44:31 PM »

Quote from: craniumfishdalf on May 16, 2012, 05:39:24 PM

Why?

Awwh, please. Please dont do this. This is a shitty day for this club and anyone who thinks that a Manager who has just managed to keep a club out of relegation somehow comes a good man for us is just stupid.

It wasn't that long ago that people were saying we should appoint Owen Coyle or Ian Holloway as contenders, now we are saying martinez is flavour of the month?

What exactly has he achieved in his managerial career to make him the right man to get LFC back up to the top 4 and winning in Europe??

G1 Jockey 4(betfair) · « **Reply #534 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:44:42 PM »

martinez and rodgers would be a major gamble.

wasnt long ago people were talking up owen coyle.................

shelts · « **Reply #535 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:44:44 PM »

Quote from: Upinsmoke on May 16, 2012, 05:39:51 PM

Can I just say...I don't think FSG would want rafa. They brought Kenny back, in there eyes he didn't do enough, would they feel like bringing another manager back? They might think they tried that nd it didn't work. I just hope its not Martinez or Rodgers, seriously.

^^ This

andyrol · « **Reply #536 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:44:45 PM »

they need to appoint someone pretty quick or the speculation will get worse, rafa isnt in a job and could start tomorrow,al the others will need negotiations with clubs etc, then we'd be in a mad rush to sign players. rafa here and people like muniain etc would come, or be more inclined to come.

craniumfishdalf · « **Reply #537 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:45:01 PM »

Quote from: Renato on May 16, 2012, 05:44:09 PM

I agree those two finished much higher than Martinez with fewer resources, big chasm in ability.

Right, because that's how you judge something, on a solitary league position.

Pistolero · « **Reply #538 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:45:02 PM »

Disgusted, absolutely disgusted...football and its instant gratification culture, corrupt governing bodies, parasitical tabloid vultures, sickening wealthy players and agents and its braindead skywashed twitter obsessed arsehole fans can go and get fucked. Season ticket renewal form on a fuckin hook next to the bog - the 'new' LFC is something I want no part of.

iamrobk · « **Reply #539 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:45:24 PM »

Quote from: thelinnen on May 16, 2012, 05:43:46 PM

Still trust FSG. Let's not pretend they are the new H&G. They've put alot of their own money into the club and they aren't asset stripping or saddling it with debt.

Agree. Let's see what happens this summer with getting a new managerial structure in place (manager, DOF, CEO, etc.) and investment in players. Call me an optimist, but I have no doubt that whoever we appoint as manager will have plenty of transfer funds to work with. Maybe not as much as last summer, but enough.

BostonScouse · « **Reply #540 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:45:24 PM »

oh the hysterics

do you want hands on owners or not?

do you want to win like the LFC of old or lose while paying homage to them?

Make up your minds and wipe away your tears.

RojoLeón · « **Reply #541 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:45:26 PM »

Quote from: The G in Gerrard on May 16, 2012, 05:40:43 PM

How can you compare the two?

You think this is good for our long term future? Quick death at hands of H&G or long slow death at FSG.

Sacking just about everyone, while showing very little evidence of their good judgement both in appointing Ayre as MD and Commolli as DoF, doesn't fill me with confidence that they are going to make good, new appointments.

They have 5+ roles to fill now, not just DoF.

trader · « **Reply #542 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:45:32 PM »

Devastated.

scoresagain · « **Reply #543 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:45:32 PM »

Quote from: craniumfishdalf on May 16, 2012, 05:41:57 PM

Sub-par manager? That's absolutely baseless.

He's finished 16th, 16th and 15th in 3 seasons at Wigan, not much improvement there.

SP · « **Reply #544 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:45:35 PM »

Quote from: thelinnen on May 16, 2012, 05:43:46 PM

Still trust FSG. Let's not pretend they are the new H&G. They've put alot of their own money into the club and they aren't asset stripping or saddling it with debt.

They are not malevolent. They don't understand the club though. The statement that they issued shows that no matter how slick their advice, they just don't get it.

Dave Mc · « **Reply #545 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:45:46 PM »

Kenny guided Pool out of their worst period in my lifetime, won us our first silverware in more than half a decade, and always backed his men to the hilt while doing so. That's what I'll take from the King's second stint as LFC's boss.

If his successor is eventually remembered with even a fraction the fondness of KK, he'll have done a remarkable job.

shelts · « **Reply #546 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:45:46 PM »

I blame the fucking woodwork for this!

Cream147 · « **Reply #547 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:45:51 PM »

Look, the thing with Martinez is that last time we brought in flavour of the month manager, look how that turned out. Also, what was going on at Wigan for the first half of the season? Worse football in the Premier League I have not seen. Sure he pulled it back, but what was happening back then? He is not the man for a club that has any expectations, let alone of the might of Liverpool.

HighSix · « **Reply #548 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:45:54 PM »

Quote from: BigAl24 on May 16, 2012, 05:30:17 PM

Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas, Klopp or Rafa for me. In that order.

The old ageing superstars problem again.

liverpooll · « **Reply #549 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:46:00 PM »

Quote from: Bakez0151 on May 16, 2012, 05:39:41 PM

what are you on about?

do you think the next manager is going to bring instant success?

that is my point

Your point is the managers should always be given more time. My question is that Hodgson could have a case as well.(Although I myself wanted Hodgson out, but the point is giving time to all managers)
Your point is that Kenny could have turned it around. My question is how and at what cost? At what guarantee?

Sacking a manager is not the best thing but it sends a clear cut message to everybody on what is acceptable at the club. We sent out a positive message that certainly finishing 8th is never going to acceptable at Liverpool.

DyingAtheist · « **Reply #550 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:46:02 PM »

I know we're all annoyed at FSG, and rightly so for how they've handled this.
However, as time goes by, I'm feeling my ire directed elsewhere...

The players.

Let's face it; Kenny was sacked due to poor league form. We all know this.
Players that he put his faith in time after time continually let him down with an unwillingness to take the game by the scruff of the neck and show some fucking passion for once.

I'm not going to reel off a list of names, but if those players are here next season, they better prove they deserve to be wearing red.

MrEazi1 · « **Reply #551 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:46:02 PM »

Still devastated and its been an hour since the news broke. Will take a long time to get over this. The players totally let him down, they shouldn't be paid a penny the mercenaries.

Thanks for everything King Kenny. The man who single-handedly united Liverpool Football Club and the city of Liverpool after its darkest day in 1989. to be honest LFC died back then - today is just like the gravestone being kicked over.

TipTopKop · « **Reply #552 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:46:11 PM »

Quote from: PhiLFC#1 on May 16, 2012, 05:43:11 PM

The album covers Cowboys from Hell by the way haha

This question haunts my mind, will we survive this night ?

..how's that then ?

PowderKeg · « **Reply #553 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:46:15 PM »

Won't be Rafa...no way I see Boston going back to an old manager after they let Kenny walk.

Martinez? Lambert? Moneyball....

.Mike · « **Reply #554 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:46:20 PM »

No New Stadium
No Head of Public Relations
No Managing Director
No Manager
No Assistant Manager
No Medical Staff
No Director of Football.
No Established Scouting System
No Established Coaching team.

What's left?

Kopite72 · « **Reply #555 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:46:23 PM »

If the aim of FSG is top 4...then obviously we need a man who is proven to be capable of getting us there.

Step forward Rafa.

RedVash · « **Reply #556 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:46:23 PM »

it will be hard to look at the dogout and can't see his smile and his eyes....he is one of us so they must find someone very very special to move on!

mBake_LFC · « **Reply #557 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:46:25 PM »

Quote from: fonzielfc on May 16, 2012, 05:37:55 PM

Can you get off you high horse? I have never been to Anfield. I have never even seen the man in flesh. And you know what? I am feeling sick to the stomach at this news. I haven't needed to visit Anfield (though I would love to) to understand what Kenny Dalglish means to this club. And you have no idea what Kenny means to me.

Same here...well said.

Robert_B · « **Reply #558 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:46:31 PM »

Absolute respect for Kenny, but I think this is the right decision.

Say A. N. Manager had just overseen the season we had just had, this decision would be a no-brainer.

Yes, there are mitigating factors; but for me, we need a long term plan now - and I just don't think we were at the start of one at the moment.

Tactically we've been hit and miss this season, personnel-wise we've been questionable and you'd have to say that KD would motivate more than perhaps anything else - but the amount of gutless performances we've had this season suggests that the players settled in to "end of season syndrome" way too easily.

I hate to say it: but I think today had to happen, I really do.

I'd like Rafa Benitez back, to be honest. I think his transfer targets would be smarter and more likely to be a success and before the cancers started chipping away at his side, we were damned close to winning the league.

The thing is, we can still attract great promising players. And what puts us ahead of the likes of Newcastle etc is that once we have the players and we become more successful, we can actually hold on to them.

mart356 · « **Reply #559 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:46:41 PM »

First choice for me is Klopp, not gunna deny it.