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Re: Director of Football / Technical Director.
« Reply #1080 on: May 31, 2012, 06:28:02 AM »
What we know is that Kenny personally escorted his fellow Scot into Melwood after pursuing him for 6 months. The former Liverpool, Blackburn, Newcastle and Celtic striker was also very evidently a Dalglish signing, Bellamy said as much in one interview after joining. Then you have Carroll, and in Kenny's biography you have that shocker of a line...Damien just said "What about Andy Carroll?". As for Downing and Enrique, both were signed due to their stats on a spreadsheet, very much DC's area, in Enrique's case, Comolli himself said it was despite conflicting reports on him from scouts. Leaving Hendo, who as young overpriced English player, was right up Comolli's street. He has form there.

Kenny picked the team, and Downing contributed quantifiably nothing to the league campaign, so how did Downing manage to get picked week after week if he was a Comolli buy?

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« Reply #1081 on: May 31, 2012, 06:37:11 AM »
Kenny picked the team, and Downing contributed quantifiably nothing to the league campaign, so how did Downing manage to get picked week after week if he was a Comolli buy?
When Comolli left, wasn't there are suggestion that he was interfering too much with the match-day squad? An area which he should've been least bothered about?
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Re: Director of Football / Technical Director.
« Reply #1082 on: May 31, 2012, 06:41:30 AM »
When Comolli left, wasn't there are suggestion that he was interfering too much with the match-day squad? An area which he should've been least bothered about?

So how does that explain Downing playing after Comolli left?

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« Reply #1083 on: May 31, 2012, 06:41:31 AM »
When Comolli left, wasn't there are suggestion that he was interfering too much with the match-day squad? An area which he should've been least bothered about?

If there was then it's news to me.

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« Reply #1084 on: May 31, 2012, 06:51:45 AM »
I've never personally bought that Downing was Kennys choice rather one Comolli (who was always a big fan) sold to him.
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Re: Director of Football / Technical Director.
« Reply #1085 on: May 31, 2012, 07:01:54 AM »
I've never personally bought that Downing was Kennys choice rather one Comolli (who was always a big fan) sold to him.


Can you explain why Kenny continued to pick him for the entire season then?

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« Reply #1086 on: May 31, 2012, 07:04:03 AM »
So how does that explain Downing playing after Comolli left?
Comolli left on 12-Apr-2012

We played 7 matches between 14-Apr to 13-May i.e 1 month. Add to that games we played on 7-Apr and 10-Apr

Game on 14-Apr was FA Cup semis against Everton
Game on 05-May was FA Cup final against Chelsea

All these games made up the last 7 (or 9 if you start from 07-Apr) games of our season where we could have added another trophy.


Do you believe we had enough squad depth to make Downing sit on bench through a congested fixture list? He anyways did not start against WBA and Fulham. Was substituted in all other games except the one against Norwich.
I am not endorsing Downing as he's been aweful since he joined us. Showed glimpses of talent on rare occassions but always proved that Liverpool were too big a team for him to play in. We had to play him so as to make the full use of the squad with limited wide players going through a conjested fixture list.
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Re: Director of Football / Technical Director.
« Reply #1087 on: May 31, 2012, 07:06:15 AM »
Can you explain why Kenny continued to pick him for the entire season then?
As for playing him after Comolli left was understandable. But playing him throughout the season still baffles me. Still cant believe we didn't go in for a Striker/Wide Player last January.
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Re: Director of Football / Technical Director.
« Reply #1088 on: May 31, 2012, 07:12:55 AM »
I've never personally bought that Downing was Kennys choice rather one Comolli (who was always a big fan) sold to him.


of course, the good ones were Kenny's and the bad ones is for that stats mad Frenchie.  The player isnt the problem, it was the manager who didnt have a clue how to play with him.  You do not put a winger on the pitch and leave your best header of the ball on the bench or at least dont ask your midfield to flood the box when the ball is with downing. 
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Re: Director of Football / Technical Director.
« Reply #1089 on: May 31, 2012, 07:14:52 AM »
Can you explain why Kenny continued to pick him for the entire season then?

He was hardly a regular though, Kenny was playing him one week and then dropping him for the next from about December onwards. To me Kenny came across as unconvinced by him but at the same time trying to at least make it work(to no avail).

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Re: Director of Football / Technical Director.
« Reply #1090 on: May 31, 2012, 07:18:59 AM »
of course, the good ones were Kenny's and the bad ones is for that stats mad Frenchie.  The player isnt the problem, it was the manager who didnt have a clue how to play with him.  You do not put a winger on the pitch and leave your best header of the ball on the bench or at least dont ask your midfield to flood the box when the ball is with downing. 

Finally some sense in here.

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Re: Director of Football / Technical Director.
« Reply #1091 on: May 31, 2012, 07:30:22 AM »
of course, the good ones were Kenny's and the bad ones is for that stats mad Frenchie.  The player isnt the problem, it was the manager who didnt have a clue how to play with him.  You do not put a winger on the pitch and leave your best header of the ball on the bench or at least dont ask your midfield to flood the box when the ball is with downing.

Err no, I think Adam was someone Kenny pushed for whilst Carroll was something Comolli decided to push for.

Kenny made mistakes last summer, but Comolli did not help him one bit.
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Re: Director of Football / Technical Director.
« Reply #1092 on: May 31, 2012, 07:37:12 AM »
Err no, I think Adam was someone Kenny pushed for whilst Carroll was something Comolli decided to push for.

Kenny made mistakes last summer, but Comolli did not help him one bit.

You fully missed his point

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Re: Director of Football / Technical Director.
« Reply #1093 on: May 31, 2012, 08:16:28 AM »
So has there been any info leaked since last night regarding a Dof/ TD. Are we getting one or not not?
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« Reply #1094 on: May 31, 2012, 08:22:51 AM »
Just read this from  Bascombe's article in the telegraph,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9300752/Brendan-Rodgers-to-become-new-Liverpool-manager-on-Thursday-after-agreeing-a-three-year-deal.html

"Liverpool have been reviewing how to restructure the club, redefining scouting and technical roles, although there is a feeling much of this shake-up is being over-analysed amid a plethora of lavish titles.Essentially, the club will be appointing a glorified chief scout, an experienced administrator to negotiate transfers and contracts and a figurehead to ensure a seamless transition between the youth and senior set-ups. "

I'm guessing the bit in bold  was elicited from one of Bascombe's "sources" most likely a senior  player. For me it's straight out of  LMA  approach to management and I hope this line of thinking isn't responsible for putting FSG off their proposed  two tier managerial structure. Not because it's guaranteed to work but rather they've made it public this is the way they wanted to go all along. If they were to back away from this structure because of opposition from a few individuals it would represent a huge loss of face IMO.


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Re: Director of Football / Technical Director.
« Reply #1095 on: May 31, 2012, 08:29:03 AM »
"Liverpool have been reviewing how to restructure the club, redefining scouting and technical roles, although there is a feeling much of this shake-up is being over-analysed amid a plethora of lavish titles. Essentially, the club will be appointing a glorified chief scout, an experienced administrator to negotiate transfers and contracts and a figurehead to ensure a seamless transition between the youth and senior set-ups. "

Would be a shame if we don't implement what we set out to here.

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« Reply #1096 on: May 31, 2012, 08:31:58 AM »
Anyone can guess. But we'll never really know who bought who. So, for the sake of 'discussion', this debate of Kenny vs Comolli will continue.

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« Reply #1097 on: May 31, 2012, 08:35:11 AM »
Just read this from  Bascombe's article in the telegraph,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9300752/Brendan-Rodgers-to-become-new-Liverpool-manager-on-Thursday-after-agreeing-a-three-year-deal.html

"Liverpool have been reviewing how to restructure the club, redefining scouting and technical roles, although there is a feeling much of this shake-up is being over-analysed amid a plethora of lavish titles.Essentially, the club will be appointing a glorified chief scout, an experienced administrator to negotiate transfers and contracts and a figurehead to ensure a seamless transition between the youth and senior set-ups. "

Cheif Scout .... ?
Administarator.... David Dein?
Transition person .... Seguera?

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« Reply #1098 on: May 31, 2012, 08:38:07 AM »
I'm really hoping we do appoint Van Gaal as Director of Football. The press assume Rodgers would have a problem with that, but as is clear to us, that probably isn't the case. Rodgers has a football philosophy and Van Gaal is actually one of those who influenced it.

I don't think the British model of all powerful managers is all it's cracked up to be. Too many good managers burn out under the pressure. Very few thrive for any period of time. And as soon as that pressure shows, bang - they are out the door and everything has to start again.

Liverpool Football Club badly needs a period of continuity, stability and growth.

Rodgers, Clarke, Van Gaal and one or two others might really build something special.

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« Reply #1099 on: May 31, 2012, 08:38:34 AM »
now everyone wants a DOF whereas before the genuine feeling always was it never worked in football before....you couldint make this shit up!

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Re: Director of Football / Technical Director.
« Reply #1100 on: May 31, 2012, 08:39:55 AM »
I'm guessing the bit in bold  was elicited from one of Bascombe's "sources" most likely a senior  player. For me it's straight out of  LMA  approach to management and I hope this line of thinking isn't responsible for putting FSG off their proposed  two tier managerial structure. Not because it's guaranteed to work but rather they've made it public this is the way they wanted to go all along. If they were to back away from this structure because of opposition from a few individuals it would represent a huge loss of face IMO.
It would also be the perfect recipe for disaster.

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« Reply #1101 on: May 31, 2012, 08:54:49 AM »
now everyone wants a DOF whereas before the genuine feeling always was it never worked in football before....you couldint make this shit up!

I don't think everyone wants a DOF out of  genuine love for the role. FSG have made it known through various  media outlets that this is the structure they intend to implement. There still isn't any evidence other than hear say to suggest they won't be employing a DOF, but it seems there maybe some resistance to it -albeit slight- from people at the club, that could be Rogers or senior players, who knows.

When Hicks and Gillette spoke to Klinsman behind Rafa's back that time, apart from the shittiness of the act itself, the fact they weren't able to convince an inexperienced manager to get on board with the recent champions of Europe said as much about their abilities as the act of treason against Rafa.

It's been said a million times already that FSG are no H&G, and don't resemble them in any meaningful way. But a couple of key requirements for any post-Hicks and Gillette Liverpool owners - bearing in mind they haven't got the resources of a Sheik or Oligarch - should be smarts and purpose. Backing away from their ideal management structure wouldn't indicate any of those.

But that's obviously IF they don't go ahead with it.

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« Reply #1102 on: May 31, 2012, 08:58:42 AM »
I'm really hoping we do appoint Van Gaal as Director of Football.

I really hope we don't appoint Van Gaal as Director of Football. You need a specialist in that position not an out of work manager, especially when that manager wants the managers job. What coach would want a job knowing the guy above them would actually like them to be removed and take their job. Add to that Van Gaal doesn't know much about making deals and isn't any kind of scout then it was a stupid idea from FSG in the first place. Maybe Van Gaal as technical director i could understand but only if he'd given up on being a manager.


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Re: Director of Football / Technical Director.
« Reply #1103 on: May 31, 2012, 08:58:53 AM »
We've had 2 'five year plans in the past 10 years but times the team was ripped up and started again. Anyone who can't see the worth of a DoF is crazy.

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« Reply #1104 on: May 31, 2012, 09:01:02 AM »
Have to say this 'no DoF' thing doesn't really sit well with me.  It's bugging me.  If that is to be the case then I'm not sure what the owners are trying to do.  I thought this new structure was supposed to be the basis for their strategy and in turn some form of competitve advantage.  I understand and would support that.  But if we are going with the traditional approach, then I'm not sure what we are up to.  It's all very unclear.

Then again, we've been from Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas guaranteed to Martinez to now Rodgers.  Let's see what the new structure will be, I supposed we'll know in a couple of days.

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« Reply #1105 on: May 31, 2012, 09:03:08 AM »
Have to say this 'no DoF' thing doesn't really sit well with me.  It's bugging me.  If that is to be the case then I'm not sure what the owners are trying to do. 

Bugging me, too. Because the concern is that the owners are not sure what they're trying to do.
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« Reply #1106 on: May 31, 2012, 09:04:09 AM »
The thing is that we can't waste time on convoluted plans.  The structure needs to be clear even if that means splitting the roles up etc.

I don't want to be starting again in another 18 months.  You can't stand still while others are sprinting.

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« Reply #1107 on: May 31, 2012, 09:04:12 AM »
Have to say this 'no DoF' thing doesn't really sit well with me.  It's bugging me.  If that is to be the case then I'm not sure what the owners are trying to do.  I thought this new structure was supposed to be the basis for their strategy and in turn some form of competitve advantage.  I understand and would support that.  But if we are going with the traditional approach, then I'm not sure what we are up to.  It's all very unclear.

Then again, we've been from Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas guaranteed to Martinez to now Rodgers.  Let's see what the new structure will be, I supposed we'll know in a couple of days.

From what I can tell, we're keeping all the positions we envisioned for the new structure - we're just not going to be employing van Gaal.

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« Reply #1108 on: May 31, 2012, 09:06:29 AM »
Bugging me, too. Because the concern is that the owners are not sure what they're trying to do.

That's the gist of it for me...

From what I can tell, we're keeping all the positions we envisioned for the new structure - we're just not going to be employing van Gaal.

.... but hopefully this is the case.
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« Reply #1109 on: May 31, 2012, 09:09:00 AM »
From what I can tell, we're keeping all the positions we envisioned for the new structure - we're just not going to be employing van Gaal.
I'll tell you something mate, I believe that the culture at the club needs to be transformed.  You will need a strong character, a SOB to do it.  It is an enormous job, dealing with personalities that are larger than life.  If we have left this task for Rodgers then I really do fear for him and more importantly, the club.  It would take him away from doing what he is good at.

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« Reply #1110 on: May 31, 2012, 09:15:11 AM »
I thought Comolli was like a glorified chief scout and we won't have the same role again.

If not Van Gaal, who then? I'd be happy with Txiki of course. I just hope we had all this planned out and positions filled instead of appointing people separately who end up not being able to work together.

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« Reply #1111 on: May 31, 2012, 09:22:52 AM »
I thought Comolli was like a glorified chief scout and we won't have the same role again.

If not Van Gaal, who then? I'd be happy with Txiki of course. I just hope we had all this planned out and positions filled instead of appointing people separately who end up not being able to work together.
You do hope that the owners are keeping their eye on the ball and working hard towards finding a solution.

I watched that Inside Barca documentary the other day and if there is one thing that I took away from the film, it is that you have to work extremely hard to manage a football club, especially one the size of Barcelona (and we are a similar task).  You simply cannot give it some attention here and there or show your face when it suits you.  You need to be committed.  If you stop giving it that attention then things can start to slip away from quickly.  This is an emotional business, filled with egomaniacs and all types of shady characters.  It will snowball you.

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« Reply #1112 on: May 31, 2012, 09:24:57 AM »
Bugging me, too. Because the concern is that the owners are not sure what they're trying to do.

Smacks of this for me as well. Indecisiveness in action.
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Re: Director of Football / Technical Director.
« Reply #1113 on: May 31, 2012, 09:25:38 AM »
Bugging me, too. Because the concern is that the owners are not sure what they're trying to do.

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« Reply #1114 on: May 31, 2012, 09:29:08 AM »
I think this is what Ayre talked about anyway we just assumed that he or Van Gaal would be deciding what price we pay. I do feel that it's going to be more involved than what the telegraph says as Ayre said that these guys will have the power in their particular area and be mainly responsible. I still pray for Txiki he did wonders for Barca in 2003.

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« Reply #1115 on: May 31, 2012, 09:30:58 AM »
now everyone wants a DOF whereas before the genuine feeling always was it never worked in football before....you couldint make this shit up!

I don't know how you've come to that conclusion. Most people in this thread have voiced their concerns about a DoF, but I haven't seen many people who dismissed the idea of having a DoF right away. For most in here, if we "had" to appoint one it had to be the right person (i.e. not someone like van Gaal). Add to that, that the main argument in favour of having an inexperienced manager like Martinez or Rodgers was that they'd be willing to work with a DoF who is tasked with shaping the club and basically leading the way. That's what was used against people like Capello, van Gaal or Rafa. "They won't work under a powerful DoF" was the line trotted out. If now we appoint Rodgers and don't get that experienced guy to lead the way, why not get a manager with more experience in developing a club and building something? It makes no sense in my view...

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Re: Director of Football / Technical Director.
« Reply #1116 on: May 31, 2012, 09:31:05 AM »
Without clarification, and judging on events and statements to date, it's difficult to escape the notion that instead of single-mindedly pursuing and implementing a clearly-thought out strategy, FSG are simply making this up as they go along. The only thing Henry and Werner have shown to be decisive about is giving people their P45s. All very well and good, but not when they holster their firing pistols, look across at each other as the smoke clears and go "uhhh, ok then, what now?".

Of course that may be wrong, and indeed like we're being fed, they're being advised by experienced football people, Cruyff, Dein, Barwick and other names chucked out. But maybe that's another problem in itself, that in taking the counsel of many without any likely consensus, it leads them round and round in circles. Again, not saying that is the case, but it certainly seems to be the impression.
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Re: Director of Football / Technical Director.
« Reply #1117 on: May 31, 2012, 09:35:09 AM »
now everyone wants a DOF whereas before the genuine feeling always was it never worked in football before....you couldint make this shit up!

Isn't it more the case that the FSG apologists have repeatedly told us that FSG can't be judged on their 19 Months tenure because they haven't been able to implement their preferred system. Comolli as a DoF was the right kind of appointment but it didn't work because Kenny was never their choice as manager. We had to wait and give them a chance to implement their system, well it looks increasingly like FSG haven't got a system and are just bumbling along making it up as they go along.

Nineteen months on and they are still reacting to things instead of being pro-active. They inherited Hodgson who was clearly out of his depth but instead of being pro-active they just let him bumble along until he hanged himself with his press conferences and abject performances, then instead of taking the bull by the horns they just appointed a caretaker manager, instead of having a transfer policy they allowed Chelsea to dictate our policy by agreeing to sell Torres and then scrambling for a replacement.

Then instead of appointing their man as manager they allowed themselves to be dragged into appointing Dalglish a man frankly who didn't fit within their strategy. Then again with the Suarez incident there was no strategy or plan FSG just reacted to what happened and it was a disaster. This summer has been the same Kenny made the running by forcing FSG to back him or sack him and now we have had a circus, a circus that looks increasingly unlikely to end up with the kind of structure FSG apparently want.

So what happens now half hearted mealy mouth support of Rodgers until we have another sacking spree and yet another day zero.
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Re: Director of Football / Technical Director.
« Reply #1118 on: May 31, 2012, 09:36:45 AM »
Of course that may be wrong, and indeed like we're being fed, they're being advised by experienced football people, Cruyff, Dein, Barwick and other names chucked out. But maybe that's another problem in itself, that in taking the counsel of many without any likely consensus, it leads them round and round in circles. Again, not saying that is the case, but it certainly seems to be the impression.
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Re: Director of Football / Technical Director.
« Reply #1119 on: May 31, 2012, 09:36:53 AM »
I still pray for Txiki he did wonders for Barca in 2003.
There's been a lot of strong advocates for Txiki on here, myself included. We hear Cruyff recommended him to Henry. And indeed, he'd be perfect for LFC in many ways, his skill sets, his values, his experience/track record, and his personality. But if it turns out that he doesn't join for any other reason than he himself has turned us down, then it begs very serious questions about the club's leadership.
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