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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #600 on: May 26, 2012, 11:39:42 PM »
From the Sunday Times. 'Martinez sees off van Gaal'.


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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #601 on: May 26, 2012, 11:41:17 PM »
Who wrote that piece?

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Jonathan Northcroft. Not sure I'd place much trust in anyone at the Times other than Barrett and Rory Smith.

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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #602 on: May 26, 2012, 11:44:14 PM »
Won't pretend I'm clued up on Txiki so I'll ask has he ever managed?

Personally get the feeling in Van Gaal is appointed to oversee a young untested manager that he will be the owners back up plan should say martinez etc need moving on. Y
No. More importantly he's done the the DoF role before at Barca when Guardiola was in charge. Would sooner have him than Van Gaal in that role. As Van Gaal just seem to upset a lot of people and I feel he would be waiting for the Manager to fail so he could step in
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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #603 on: May 27, 2012, 12:05:28 AM »
Nobody's got a clue what is happening it seems but I pray to God whatever is written in the Sunday times is not true. I want to hear more from Rory & Barrett in all honesty.
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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #604 on: May 27, 2012, 12:09:59 AM »
Am I the only one that's a bit excited to see what's gonna happen? From the snippets of info we've had FSG are in no mood for fucking around. By the time this is over we could have a new management structure of anywhere up to 5 people.

I'd feel a hell of a lot more confident having someone like Martinez as manager with Steve Clarke as his assistant, Pep Segura, Van Gaal & god knows who else above him. Fuck it man, I'm on board. Lets see what these crazy bastards wanna do. I feel like I've just had my Neil Atkinson moment. Anyone that's been listening to the Anfield wrap lately will know what I mean.
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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #605 on: May 27, 2012, 12:12:04 AM »
If we force Kenny to work under a DOF, don't approach Rafa because he supposedly doesn't like to wor under that system, but then scrap the concept so we can appoint Martinez then FSG have serious questions to answer.

They want a structure in plcae supposedly and then fit the people around the structure, so to scrap the structure they claim to want to implement so they can hire the Wigan manager, well, lets just cross that bridge if we come to it.
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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #606 on: May 27, 2012, 12:34:25 AM »
Y'know it just occurred to me that there's something strange about all these stories about Louis Van Gaal. I agree that he's hugely successful at what he does... but at the same time he's one that has always rocked the boat and gotten into disagreements with the board and wants complete control over everything. 

Now in saying that all the rumours about Rafa not being approached is because even though he is hugely successful, he has always gotten into disagreements with the board and wants complete control over everything.

I am not saying we should talk to Rafa, but I am wondering how a negative quality in a manger is no longer a negative quality in a sporting director when at the end of the day both jobs require people to be working together.

Something is not adding up all the way and I think the paper stories are just grabbing at straws.

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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #607 on: May 27, 2012, 12:53:33 AM »
Won't pretend I'm clued up on Txiki so I'll ask has he ever managed?

Personally get the feeling in Van Gaal is appointed to oversee a young untested manager that he will be the owners back up plan should say martinez etc need moving on. Y

And that's exactly the problem I have with van Gaal. It adds pressure to any manager that would be working under him, if he got the DoF-gig. You could argue that it's a built-in saftey-net, but you could also argue that he'd be looming over every manager, waiting to take over every time things get a bit rocky. You wouldn't have that with someone like Begiristain who was successful as a DoF, but hasn't managed a club...

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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #608 on: May 27, 2012, 01:06:41 AM »
Someone, somewhere in this system needs to actually be a proven winner. Someone who knows what it is like to win a top domestic league, to plot a winning European campaign.
van Gaal has huge flaws, but the guy wins shit. Thus far in his career, Martinez does not. If Martinez says he can't work with van Gaal, fine. If you decide you want Martinez over van Gaal, then fine as well, but you had better find a replacement who has been there and done that.
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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #609 on: May 27, 2012, 01:07:47 AM »
This whole thing gets more bizarre.

On the back of the early reports linking RM with the 'coaches' role and Ian Ayre's interview I was confident that they had already decided who would be occupying the relevant positions. The whole thing seemed to be a done deal.

Now I'm sitting here thinking 'what the fuck is going on'.

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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #610 on: May 27, 2012, 09:00:17 AM »
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9292139/Liverpool-oweners-Fenway-Sports-Group-sounding-out-experienced-Dutchman-Louis-van-Gaal-for-senior-role.html

Martinez and Van Gaal do not fit together really as both want a lot of control. Also lately I read about a technical director and maybe a sporting director. That would be completely impossible with Van Gaal as DOF.


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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #611 on: May 27, 2012, 09:05:56 AM »
It just doesn't look like they know what they are doing.

If they want a sporting director/DOF, he has to be the one with the highest power and he has to help decide who the manager is. There is no point in getting two people who wouldn't work together.

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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #612 on: May 27, 2012, 09:21:12 AM »
Probably Rodgers and van Gaal would work better then?
Or Txiki and Martinez?The all Spanish connection,from Borrell,to Segura and Txiki and Roberto?
Wonder why there is no talk of Begiristian.Or have FSG failed to recognize his talents,like they did with Rafa?
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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #613 on: May 27, 2012, 10:58:27 AM »
Probably Rodgers and van Gaal would work better then?
Or Txiki and Martinez?The all Spanish connection,from Borrell,to Segura and Txiki and Roberto?
Wonder why there is no talk of Begiristian.Or have FSG failed to recognize his talents,like they did with Rafa?
Haven't you seen Segura's opinion on Van Gaal?

"Luis is a manager who actually makes the team grow and leads the club. He offers a style, a working method and teaches it. I have not found a person of his ability and judgment, even for the grassroots." Pep Segura on Luis Van Gaal.

I would be surprised if Segura was one of the people who recommended him to FSG.

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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #614 on: May 27, 2012, 02:12:45 PM »
It just doesn't look like they know what they are doing.

If they want a sporting director/DOF, he has to be the one with the highest power and he has to help decide who the manager is. There is no point in getting two people who wouldn't work together.

It seems like they've decided on a structure but have no idea as to what type of people they want to fill the roles let alone specific names. Van Gaal wants the manager's job and a big say in the backroom staff yet FSG are pursuing manager's that don't want to be restricted by a sporting director. It looks like a bit of a botched job of just finding who they can and trying to make the most of it.

The relationships within the structure are arguably more important than the structure itself.

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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #615 on: May 27, 2012, 05:07:25 PM »
Lots of rumours going on about Van Gaal. Would surely be an interesting appointment.

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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #616 on: May 27, 2012, 06:17:47 PM »
Haven't you seen Segura's opinion on Van Gaal?

"Luis is a manager who actually makes the team grow and leads the club. He offers a style, a working method and teaches it. I have not found a person of his ability and judgment, even for the grassroots." Pep Segura on Luis Van Gaal.

I would be surprised if Segura was one of the people who recommended him to FSG.

That's a pretty positive opinion. How come you'd be surprised if Segura recommended him? Frankly, I'd be surprised if he didn't.

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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #617 on: May 27, 2012, 06:27:15 PM »
If Segura is advising them, it would provide an element of reassurance.
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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #618 on: May 27, 2012, 06:33:49 PM »
That's a pretty positive opinion. How come you'd be surprised if Segura recommended him? Frankly, I'd be surprised if he didn't.

I think that's probably what .Mike meant.

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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #619 on: May 27, 2012, 06:34:08 PM »
Does a DoF usually bring in his own coaches and a physio like Van Gaal is rumoured to be doing? Immediate conflict with the new manager straight away?

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« Reply #620 on: May 27, 2012, 06:36:55 PM »
- Throw enough mud at a wall.

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That is our approach since sacking Kenny.
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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #621 on: May 27, 2012, 06:42:39 PM »
Does a DoF usually bring in his own coaches and a physio like Van Gaal is rumoured to be doing? Immediate conflict with the new manager straight away?

That kind of depends though doesn't it. I mean, your just assuming that the manager wouldn't want a man of almost unrivaled experience's help.

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« Reply #622 on: May 27, 2012, 06:45:06 PM »
- Throw enough mud at a wall.

- Some eventually sticks.


That is our approach since sacking Kenny.

that been the medias approach.
the clubs has been to keep things under wraps despite the amount of sand that has put in its fans collective vagina

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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #623 on: May 27, 2012, 06:45:34 PM »
It just doesn't look like they know what they are doing.

Or it look likes the journalists don't know what they are doing. I guess we'll wait and see.

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« Reply #624 on: May 27, 2012, 06:46:55 PM »
That kind of depends though doesn't it. I mean, your just assuming that the manager wouldn't want a man of almost unrivaled experience's help.

Just wondered if that was normal practice when a DoF gets appointed or the manager brings in his own staff from his previous club, thats all , not assuming anything.

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« Reply #625 on: May 27, 2012, 06:49:35 PM »
Just wondered if that was normal practice when a DoF gets appointed or the manager brings in his own staff from his previous club, thats all , not assuming anything.

It was just the "immediate conflict with the new manager straight away". I think there will be disagreements in this new set-up & I'm not totally sure there is a precedent in world football for how we are going to be run. So, all we can do is sit back and enjoy the show.

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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #626 on: May 27, 2012, 06:57:44 PM »
Does a DoF usually bring in his own coaches and a physio like Van Gaal is rumoured to be doing? Immediate conflict with the new manager straight away?

The way I see it is if that is the case, Van Gaal is bringing in people to plug holes that fit the system. Frans Hoek was Reina's goalkeeping coach at Barcelona. He is used to developing and working with keepers in a sweeper-system. I don't think it's necessarily an idea of immediate conflict. I think we have to get beyond this idea of a manager coming in with all his own staff. At AC Milan, they've had the same assistant manager since 2001 and the same goalkeeping coach since 2008. Three different sets of managers have come and gone, but those people are still in place. It sort of fits in with the continued links with Xavi Valero. You're bringing in staff who fit the system. The manager works with the first team in training, has say on signings and has responsibilities during the game, but he'll work as part of a team.

It's an idea that makes sense and reduces costs if you bring in people on the same wavelength. Think of the amount of money we wasted sacking Rafa and his team, then bringing in Hodgson and his team and then sacking them to bring in Kenny and his team. This way, you have continuity. Managers change, but the personnel don't necessarily move with them. It would make it much easier to pinpoint problem areas as well. It also fits in with Steve Clarke's resignation not being accepted.
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« Reply #627 on: May 27, 2012, 07:02:17 PM »
The way I see it is if that is the case, Van Gaal is bringing in people to plug holes that fit the system. Frans Hoek was Reina's goalkeeping coach at Barcelona. He is used to developing and working with keepers in a sweeper-system. I don't think it's necessarily an idea of immediate conflict. I think we have to get beyond this idea of a manager coming in with all his own staff. At AC Milan, they've had the same assistant manager since 2001 and the same goalkeeping coach since 2008. Three different sets of managers have come and gone, but those people are still in place. It sort of fits in with the continued links with Xavi Valero. You're bringing in staff who fit the system. The manager works with the first team in training, has say on signings and has responsibilities during the game, but he'll work as part of a team.

It's an idea that makes sense and reduces costs if you bring in people on the same wavelength. Think of the amount of money we wasted sacking Rafa and his team, then bringing in Hodgson and his team and then sacking them to bring in Kenny and his team. This way, you have continuity. Managers change, but the personnel don't necessarily move with them. It would make it much easier to pinpoint problem areas as well.

Thanks for that , makes sense although im sure Martinez(if its him) will bring in people he knows and who he has worked with at Wigan.

It will require give and take from both sides i would of thought.Personally i am fascinated to see how this works , its very much a European way of doing things , the DoF method hasnt got a great record in this country as far as im aware.

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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #628 on: May 27, 2012, 07:02:19 PM »
Haven't you seen Segura's opinion on Van Gaal?

"Luis is a manager who actually makes the team grow and leads the club. He offers a style, a working method and teaches it. I have not found a person of his ability and judgment, even for the grassroots." Pep Segura on Luis Van Gaal.

I would be surprised if Segura was one of the people who recommended him to FSG.

This actually makes me feel loads better, and makes me believe that he is advising FSG? I can sleep better at night now
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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #629 on: May 27, 2012, 07:06:13 PM »
To be honest I don't like the DOF idea. It's daft.

Somewhere along the line it seems to have been decided that the club must have a blueprint of how we play and that should be implemented from the youth team to the seniors. Fine. Let Pep Segura oversee that, and any future employees must be made aware and fit into this footballing philosophy.

So what does the DOF do?

Be in charge of player recruitment, salaries, etc.??

That is not a gap that needs filling.

You can have a head scout that shortlists potential targets and works with the head coach on what the squad needs.

Then you need a CEO/MD who renews contracts, negotiates transfers etc.

It seems to me like we need an intelligent manager who can get us playing a specific style, a CEO who can negotiate transfers and a head scout.

What is the gap that needs filling where we decide a DOF or whatever it's now being called is required.

It just seems like a potential spanner in the works. Bringing in players over a manager's head has a history of failure.

Giving the manager a head scout to work with allows the was scout to go away and work on potential new players, present them to the manager and a decision making group who in turn can ask the CEO/MD to try to buy the players.

A Head Scout serves the manager and the club to allow them to make squad based decisions.

A DOF seems to oversee the manager and ensure the right players are being purchased.

So your just adding another authoritative person into the mix when making player decisions where the manager should be the most knowledgeable and the person who has worked the closest with his squad to make the most reasoned decision on player sales and purchases.

I just think they need a manager who is talented enough to improve the squad, a head scout who is talented enough to spot the top players and the best deals, and a CEO who can negotiate transfers and contracts. All this in my mind points to Ian Ayre fucking back off to Commercial Director, a David Dein type being the new CEO, a Rafa Benitez type being the manager, and a
Head Scout like Graham Carr at Newcastle. It seems like a new DOF is of the most benefit to Ian Ayre, as it rids him of a whole lot of responsibility and only solidifies his position within the club.
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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #630 on: May 27, 2012, 07:37:31 PM »
To be honest I don't like the DOF idea. It's daft.

It's a sensible idea that most European clubs have been doing for decades. It's only in Britain were it's considered to be an evil concept.The problem with the British model is what happens if you get in a manager who plays style X, but half the team cannot? It means in order for that manager to be successful, you have to sell half the players at a reduced price and buy even more players at an inflated one. But if he goes, then you are going to likely to tear up the model again. But if you are picking managers whose ideas match that of your team, there is less waste.

This system is going to be more collaborative, which yes means more arguments, but in end provides greater checks and balances. The manager who is hired will be responsible for training and in-game management. They are also going to have input on signings. Players won't necessarily be signed without their consent. But what we won't be doing is buying players who don't fit the model, regardless of what the manager thinks. If you aren't going to play a system involving wingers, why heavily invest in them? The role that Van Gaal has been linked with is essentially to be a figure who unifies the different parts of the club and pushes down the club's philosophy. He'll be guiding the manager and assisting him in looking for players with the scouts that fit in with the philosophy. He's also an authority figure to ensure the manager's work can be done.

When the right people are in place, the system works. If you look at AC Milan, they have Galliani as their MD/CEO: a man whose previous experience in football at Monza wasn't great and who sold electronic products to Berlusconi's TV company. But what Berlusconi recognized in Galliani was someone who isn't soft and can strike a bargain and hence he's in charge of negotiations. How else can Milan be able to get the likes of Ibrahimovic and Robinho on the cheap and tells us they'll renegotiate a deal for Aquilani? They then have Ariedo Braida as their current technical director, who is responsible for bringing in players in and working with scouts. They also have Vittorio Mentana who acts as a Director of Communications for the entire structure. At the bottom of the food-chain is the current manager Allegri, who they plucked from 16th-placed Cagliari because his ideas and approaches matched the system. But if Allegri gets sacked tomorrow, the staff will remain in place, unless they aren't doing their job.

For all you can knock about Berlusconi's morals and politics, he clearly has made sure that Milan have the right people in place. They've won 8 Serie A titles, 5 European Cups, 6 Italian Super Cups, 1 Coppa Italia, 3 World Club Cups and 5 UEFA Super Cups since he saved them from bankruptcy in 1987. Milan have changed managers 13 times (4 of those being mid-season caretaker roles) since he took over. In the previous 25 years, they changed managers 28 times and won 3 Serie A titles, 2 European Cups, 2 Cup Winners Cups and 4 Coppa Italias and 1 Club World Cup. They have a system in place that has given them continuity and allowed them to quickly rebuild in fallow years. It enables them to hire the right managers who fit the program's philosophy, whether they have only ever managed in Serie B (Sacchi), or youth teams (Capello) or small Sardinian clubs (Allegri)
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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #631 on: May 27, 2012, 10:41:31 PM »
Your posts are boss lad. Very well explained.

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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #632 on: May 27, 2012, 11:55:34 PM »
Segura mentioned again in tomorrow's Times saying he's in line for a promotion.

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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #633 on: May 28, 2012, 12:23:17 AM »
It's a sensible idea that most European clubs have been doing for decades. It's only in Britain were it's considered to be an evil concept.The problem with the British model is what happens if you get in a manager who plays style X, but half the team cannot? It means in order for that manager to be successful, you have to sell half the players at a reduced price and buy even more players at an inflated one. But if he goes, then you are going to likely to tear up the model again. But if you are picking managers whose ideas match that of your team, there is less waste.

This system is going to be more collaborative, which yes means more arguments, but in end provides greater checks and balances. The manager who is hired will be responsible for training and in-game management. They are also going to have input on signings. Players won't necessarily be signed without their consent. But what we won't be doing is buying players who don't fit the model, regardless of what the manager thinks. If you aren't going to play a system involving wingers, why heavily invest in them? The role that Van Gaal has been linked with is essentially to be a figure who unifies the different parts of the club and pushes down the club's philosophy. He'll be guiding the manager and assisting him in looking for players with the scouts that fit in with the philosophy. He's also an authority figure to ensure the manager's work can be done.

When the right people are in place, the system works. If you look at AC Milan, they have Galliani as their MD/CEO: a man whose previous experience in football at Monza wasn't great and who sold electronic products to Berlusconi's TV company. But what Berlusconi recognized in Galliani was someone who isn't soft and can strike a bargain and hence he's in charge of negotiations. How else can Milan be able to get the likes of Ibrahimovic and Robinho on the cheap and tells us they'll renegotiate a deal for Aquilani? They then have Ariedo Braida as their current technical director, who is responsible for bringing in players in and working with scouts. They also have Vittorio Mentana who acts as a Director of Communications for the entire structure. At the bottom of the food-chain is the current manager Allegri, who they plucked from 16th-placed Cagliari because his ideas and approaches matched the system. But if Allegri gets sacked tomorrow, the staff will remain in place, unless they aren't doing their job.

For all you can knock about Berlusconi's morals and politics, he clearly has made sure that Milan have the right people in place. They've won 8 Serie A titles, 5 European Cups, 6 Italian Super Cups, 1 Coppa Italia, 3 World Club Cups and 5 UEFA Super Cups since he saved them from bankruptcy in 1987. Milan have changed managers 13 times (4 of those being mid-season caretaker roles) since he took over. In the previous 25 years, they changed managers 28 times and won 3 Serie A titles, 2 European Cups, 2 Cup Winners Cups and 4 Coppa Italias and 1 Club World Cup. They have a system in place that has given them continuity and allowed them to quickly rebuild in fallow years. It enables them to hire the right managers who fit the program's philosophy, whether they have only ever managed in Serie B (Sacchi), or youth teams (Capello) or small Sardinian clubs (Allegri)

Nice and well written counter-argument to the whole "FSG are appointing a DoF - how idiotic/naive of them as that never works" attitude.
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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #634 on: May 28, 2012, 03:19:42 AM »
I'll never understand how on RAWK the majority of posters are ahead of the curve and don't buy into the British player media hype, don't like 442, think "blood and thunder" is an overrated concept, etc but then when it comes to the role of the manager instead of following the same route and buying into the continental philosophy they become hardcore conservatives and keep propagating the English myth of the messianic manager and hate the concept of a DOF.

Why?  Why have an appreciation for continental approaches to player skills/technique, formations, transfers etc but then when it comes to managers you go all British bulldog on us? 

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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #635 on: May 28, 2012, 03:27:58 AM »
I'll never understand how on RAWK the majority of posters are ahead of the curve and don't buy into the British player media hype, don't like 442, think "blood and thunder" is an overrated concept, etc but then when it comes to the role of the manager instead of following the same route and buying into the continental philosophy they become hardcore conservatives and keep propagating the English myth of the messianic manager and hate the concept of a DOF.

Why?  Why have an appreciation for continental approaches to player skills/technique, formations, transfers etc but then when it comes to managers you go all British bulldog on us?

I actually agree with this. I've found RAWK to be far smarter than the average media outlet, but as soon as a model that is favoured by Steve Bruce, Sam Allardyce and co is challenged, it's not going to work.

It's about continuity. It means that Ged doesn't sign a bunch of crap french players, Rafa ships them out and signs a bunch of crap spanish players, and then Roy comes along and signs Paul Konchesky*. Instead, you just buy the best players that fit the need of the manager.

*Note I'm talking about Le Tallec, Cheyrou, Nunez, Josemi and Paul Konchesky, I'm well aware that all three managers signed some very good players of other nationalities as well as their own. Even Hodgson signed Meireles.
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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #636 on: May 28, 2012, 04:04:18 AM »

It's about continuity. It means that Ged doesn't sign a bunch of crap french players, Rafa ships them out and signs a bunch of crap spanish players, and then Roy comes along and signs Paul Konchesky*. Instead, you just buy the best players that fit the need of the manager.

Agree.  I definitely like the formulation that FSG have, but I think they are going about implementing it in a haphazard fashion.  For example, is it better to higher the assistant manager first, or the manager?

FSG are going about interviewing for managers when they should be doing this in a Top-Down fashion, getting the DoF squared away, and announced, as this helps determine the candidates for the what should be the next step of the process, manager.
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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #637 on: May 28, 2012, 04:10:10 AM »
I like the DOF structure very much in theory. I just don't have much confidence in FSG getting it right.

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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #638 on: May 28, 2012, 04:14:22 AM »
Van Gaal is an incredibly demanding, arrogant and innovative coach who has an immense reputation in Germany and Holland. There is no way someone Martinez could simply "see him off".

It's probably the other way around.
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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #639 on: May 28, 2012, 04:27:47 AM »
I'll never understand how on RAWK the majority of posters are ahead of the curve and don't buy into the British player media hype, don't like 442, think "blood and thunder" is an overrated concept, etc but then when it comes to the role of the manager instead of following the same route and buying into the continental philosophy they become hardcore conservatives and keep propagating the English myth of the messianic manager and hate the concept of a DOF.

Why?  Why have an appreciation for continental approaches to player skills/technique, formations, transfers etc but then when it comes to managers you go all British bulldog on us? 

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