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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #80 on: May 15, 2012, 10:40:11 PM »
Can't Henry and Werner negotiate deals? Can't Ayre?

Its like asking the Mike Duke(CEO of Walmart) to set up the cookies on aisle 6.

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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #81 on: May 15, 2012, 10:41:09 PM »
Can't Henry and Werner negotiate deals? Can't Ayre?

Doubt it. Henry and Werner aren't here too often and Ayre is MD. If Kenny isn't doing it, I have no idea who is. And it is really worrying. That's why I want the DoF sorted as soon as possible.
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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #82 on: May 15, 2012, 11:03:24 PM »
Doubt it. Henry and Werner aren't here too often and Ayre is MD. If Kenny isn't doing it, I have no idea who is. And it is really worrying. That's why I want the DoF sorted as soon as possible.

I absolutely don't want Ayre negotiating deals. For me Kenny would be boss talking to a player, convincing him to come, making the club out as a family, which is exactly what it is. However when it comes to negotiating with agents and the clubs I just can't see Kenny doing it. I guess it is imperative we get somebody in who can do that.

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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #83 on: May 15, 2012, 11:09:03 PM »
And that's where you have mistaken.

For the 1st para,lets be honest most of the people our owners have appointed haven't worked out so far. What if we hire the wrong man and it doesn't work out? LFC's future depends on it supposedly.

2nd para, usually in American sports(and I live in America), the scouts and GM recruit the players and the manager works with what he's got. Very little input is given on players recruiting,if any. So please do not compare the 2 the way our american owners have.

When Rafa worked at your club we did not give a crap about a DOF/a footballing man working behind the manager and he did do pretty well.

I want the roles of the personnel at our club clearly defined before I buy it.

I live in the States as well, so I'm well versed in the various roles in an American club. Who have our new owners appointed that hasn't worked out? Comolli, obviously, but I don't think there's been a rash of poor hires. We shouldn't be making our decisions based on fear of hiring the wrong man anyway; we should be performing our due diligence so that we hire the proper man. Your fear doesn't really disprove my argument in any way. If they're so bad at hiring then what's the difference if they hire a poor manager or a poor DoF and consolidate the power in either? There's the argument of whether a DoF is necessary or proper and then there's the argument for who you hire in the role.

Your interpretation of American sports is pretty far off. Yes the GM traditionally has the final say in player signings, but to think that a coach or manager has little say in the process is a bit naive. Do you think Grep Popovich or Bill Belichick just show up to work and see who's on the roster today? It's a process of discourse, especially in sports heavily reliant on system such as football (ours or American) and basketball. The GM works to bring in players who fit the manager's preferred profile and system.

No when Rafa worked here we did not give a crap because we were lucky enough to have one of the handful of managers in the world who possesses the intelligence, foresight, and aptitude to perform such a titanic role at a club. Look at when Rafa left, though; we were a sinking ship and we had nobody on hand to steady the boat. It's an extreme example due to the circumstances of Rafa's departure and the club's hierarchy at the time, but the point still rings true. When you have one man in charge of everything, you have nobody in charge of anything when he leaves. A DoF, or any like role, in theory allows for continuity across a football club. When the manager departs you still have someone guiding the ship with the same tenets of the club in place. The same goes for when the DoF leaves and the manager remains.

Who is failing to define the roles at the club? Just because a few of us on a message board don't know the exact hierarchy of the club does not mean the roles aren't clearly defined within the club. I'm sure Kenny understands his role in the overall structure even if you and I don't necessarily.
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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #84 on: May 15, 2012, 11:13:15 PM »
And you've mixed up player and manager in your post and I like your posts.

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In what way did I mix up player and manager? Players play while managers (or DoFs) steer the boat. I think a club is in a much stronger position if we employ a John Smith than if we sign a great player.
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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #85 on: May 16, 2012, 01:37:04 AM »

Your interpretation of American sports is pretty far off. Yes the GM traditionally has the final say in player signings, but to think that a coach or manager has little say in the process is a bit naive. Do you think Grep Popovich or Bill Belichick just show up to work and see who's on the roster today? It's a process of discourse, especially in sports heavily reliant on system such as football (ours or American) and basketball. The GM works to bring in players who fit the manager's preferred profile and system.


Sure, that's also what occurred to me. Reddy Mac's description of the respective roles of GM and Manager works too though.  It's a question of the individuals involved.

How do the owners view Dalglish? What are the looking for from the DoF they have lined up?

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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #86 on: May 16, 2012, 02:15:29 AM »
Can anyone with a deeper knowledge of continental European football clubs give us an idea of some other candidates?

I have heard Txiki Beguiristain's name mentioned a lot in the media, with Cruyff's name also thrown out (though much less realistically).  By now we know about them and what they're about, and I presume we'd all be thrilled to see Beguiristain the one who come in.

If he's not interested, though, what are the other options?  I know Michael Zorc has had great success at Dortmund, but is this down to Klopp more than him (and could we lure him away anyway, given that he's been there his whole career)?  A brief glance on Wikipedia shows Pierpaolo Marino has a more chequered career than I had thought, after being at Napoli when many of their current stars came in.  I can't think of any other candidates, but that just shows how cursory is my knowledge of the behind-the-scenes activities in these leagues.

Who are the other candidates?  Can anyone give an example of another name we might be considering, and what they might be like?
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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #87 on: May 16, 2012, 03:53:59 AM »
Sure, that's also what occurred to me. Reddy Mac's description of the respective roles of GM and Manager works too though.  It's a question of the individuals involved.

How do the owners view Dalglish? What are the looking for from the DoF they have lined up?

Exactly two ways to look at it. I mean we could hire a DOF and that could completely go wrong too. But if we have Dalglish in charge next season,do we need a DOF in charge for next season?

Who understands the club,fans,the players and the football philosophy of Liverpool better than Dalglish?

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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #88 on: May 16, 2012, 06:17:26 PM »
Whoever this guy is going to be will be under significant pressure to appoint the right manager.

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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #89 on: May 17, 2012, 12:28:56 AM »
Ben Smith: "Meetings have been held with a number of potential directors of football, including Johan Cruyff and former Barcelona sporting director Txiki Begiristain, while they have also spoken to at least one candidate to fill the chief executive's role. Henry and Werner are also thought to be close to appointing a new director of communications to replace Ian Cotton."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18097439

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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #90 on: May 17, 2012, 02:25:24 PM »
This is a wild stab in the dark, but how about Earnie Stewart? He is a former USA international player who had a long career in Holland and is current Technical Director at AZ. He speaks 'American' but has been brought up with Dutch football, and has a good record with AZ of aquiring and bringing through promising players.

Here's an interesting article, complete with obligatory reference to 'moneyball': http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/news/_/id/7389538/earnie-stewart-brings-moneyball-az-alkmaar

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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #91 on: May 17, 2012, 06:40:57 PM »
Seems as every topic on the main board that mentions the word manager is moving at a million miles an hour ill stick this on here.

Seems as we are reportedly looking for a young manager to make the step up and people are having a fit saying we won't be able to attract high calibre players, would a big name DOF be able to compensate this?
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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #92 on: May 17, 2012, 06:41:44 PM »
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As far as I'm aware the Director of Football is already identified and presumably involved in interview process. #LFC

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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #93 on: May 17, 2012, 06:44:34 PM »
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As far as I'm aware the Director of Football is already identified and presumably involved in interview process. #LFC

Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. I assume the name will leak sooner rather than later, but I think they're waiting to announce a new 'team' all at once - chief exec, DoF, first team coach.

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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #94 on: May 17, 2012, 06:45:09 PM »
What clubs have won the Prem with a DOF?
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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #95 on: May 17, 2012, 07:01:46 PM »
Chelsea.
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« Reply #96 on: May 17, 2012, 07:05:02 PM »
Chelsea.

Who was DOF? Grant was at one point, no? With Mourinho, sure Roman got Andrei for himself, but for the most part - those were Mourinhos signings. And Im not sure with Carlo.

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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #97 on: May 17, 2012, 07:09:25 PM »
Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. I assume the name will leak sooner rather than later, but I think they're waiting to announce a new 'team' all at once - chief exec, DoF, first team coach.

It's a nice idea, but with all the attention it'd surely be hard to keep the identity of the DoF secret? Fair enough they're generally not as recognisable by sight or name, but even still...

That said, it wouldn't make sense to appoint a manager before appointing a DoF.

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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #98 on: May 17, 2012, 07:13:09 PM »
Who was DOF? Grant was at one point, no? With Mourinho, sure Roman got Andrei for himself, but for the most part - those were Mourinhos signings. And Im not sure with Carlo.

Honest questions...

Arnesen.

I think his 'official' title was 'sporting director' or some such, like they've got a basketball team playing next door.
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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #99 on: May 17, 2012, 07:15:22 PM »
Who was DOF? Grant was at one point, no? With Mourinho, sure Roman got Andrei for himself, but for the most part - those were Mourinhos signings. And Im not sure with Carlo.

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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #100 on: May 17, 2012, 07:16:14 PM »
It's a nice idea, but with all the attention it'd surely be hard to keep the identity of the DoF secret? Fair enough they're generally not as recognisable by sight or name, but even still...

That said, it wouldn't make sense to appoint a manager before appointing a DoF.

Yeah, we'll probably hear the name in the next couple of days - I just think they're holding off on the official announcement until the entire team is in place.

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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #101 on: May 17, 2012, 07:28:50 PM »
Duncan Jenkins just tweeted this-

do not panic #lfc fans, F.S.G will interview more managers. i have heard who the new D.O.F is, trying to get it confirmed by my mole.

the news is not from my usual source but if it is who i have been told it is then #lfc fans should be very happy.

Sounds promising.

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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #102 on: May 17, 2012, 07:29:10 PM »
Cheers lads
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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #103 on: May 17, 2012, 07:29:59 PM »
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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #104 on: May 17, 2012, 07:32:16 PM »
I just thank christ it's not just Werner and Henry interviewing the manager to be honest.

Really intrigued to find out who D.O.F is. Hope it gets confirmed tonight by Duncan.
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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #105 on: May 17, 2012, 07:34:34 PM »
Duncan Jenkins just tweeted this-

do not panic #lfc fans, F.S.G will interview more managers. i have heard who the new D.O.F is, trying to get it confirmed by my mole.

the news is not from my usual source but if it is who i have been told it is then #lfc fans should be very happy.

Sounds promising.


Who is this guy? The ways he says "my mole" makes him look like a wannabe secret agent or something. Is he reliable?

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« Reply #106 on: May 17, 2012, 07:35:46 PM »
Who is this guy? The ways he says "my mole" makes him look like a wannabe secret agent or something. Is he reliable?

He is one of the most reliable alongside 'Scott' so I am told by many rawkites...
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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #107 on: May 17, 2012, 07:38:21 PM »
Duncan Jenkins just tweeted this-

do not panic #lfc fans, F.S.G will interview more managers. i have heard who the new D.O.F is, trying to get it confirmed by my mole.

the news is not from my usual source but if it is who i have been told it is then #lfc fans should be very happy.

Sounds promising.



Noticed that on Twitter, geniune question, who is this fella and more to the point whats his track record in reliability?
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« Reply #108 on: May 17, 2012, 07:38:21 PM »

Who is this guy? The ways he says "my mole" makes him look like a wannabe secret agent or something. Is he reliable?

Yeah I think he is
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« Reply #109 on: May 17, 2012, 07:55:05 PM »
Noticed that on Twitter, geniune question, who is this fella and more to the point whats his track record in reliability?

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« Reply #110 on: May 17, 2012, 07:59:12 PM »
Ben Smith: "Meetings have been held with a number of potential directors of football, including Johan Cruyff and former Barcelona sporting director Txiki Begiristain, while they have also spoken to at least one candidate to fill the chief executive's role. Henry and Werner are also thought to be close to appointing a new director of communications to replace Ian Cotton."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18097439

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« Reply #111 on: May 17, 2012, 08:03:06 PM »
Noticed that on Twitter, geniune question, who is this fella and more to the point whats his track record in reliability?

Generally considered very reliable.

I definitely put weight in what he says.

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« Reply #112 on: May 17, 2012, 08:07:18 PM »
Noticed that on Twitter, geniune question, who is this fella and more to the point whats his track record in reliability?

100% reliable IMO

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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #113 on: May 17, 2012, 08:12:41 PM »
Duncan Jenkins just tweeted this-

do not panic #lfc fans, F.S.G will interview more managers. i have heard who the new D.O.F is, trying to get it confirmed by my mole.

the news is not from my usual source but if it is who i have been told it is then #lfc fans should be very happy.




Interesting, if as he reckons, we will be made up then any educated guesses who it could be? Txiki, Cruyff or Rafa are the only names that spring to mind.
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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #114 on: May 17, 2012, 08:14:06 PM »
Does this mean we're getting this ex Barca man Berigistain (who's name I keep forgetting)? Can anyone tell me anything about him, when was he at Barca and what's he been upto?
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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #115 on: May 17, 2012, 08:16:30 PM »
Txiki Begiristain named as DOF
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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #116 on: May 17, 2012, 08:17:05 PM »
Txiki Begiristain named as DOF

link?

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Re: Director of Football?
« Reply #117 on: May 17, 2012, 08:17:17 PM »
Txiki Begiristain named as DOF

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« Reply #118 on: May 17, 2012, 08:18:18 PM »
Txiki Begiristain is name being knocked around on twitter, nothing certain yet
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