Author Topic: General Transfer Discussion about LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB (Read 535381 times)

Discipline · « **Reply #7800 on:** June 19, 2012, 11:27:54 AM »

Quote from: Tarantino Red on June 19, 2012, 10:36:08 AM

Is it just me.... Or does anyone feel we will pull off a major signing under the radar? Suarez style.

Waiting for Jovetic myself.

Didi_ram · « **Reply #7801 on:** June 19, 2012, 11:27:58 AM »

Quote from: arcticus on June 19, 2012, 10:47:19 AM

If we have a summer of:

Gylfi
Adam Johnson
Rondon
Caulker

Will that be a good summer or a bad one?

Even if that were good mate,we need a DM badly.

Jonjo Legend · « **Reply #7802 on:** June 19, 2012, 11:33:24 AM »

Imagine this scenario....

The talk of the strict 30m budget was right.

We just signed Sigurdsson for 8.5m.

Now who do YOU buy with the remaining 21.5m??

Juliman · « **Reply #7803 on:** June 19, 2012, 11:35:37 AM »

Quote from: NOTBORNIN1982 on June 18, 2012, 11:18:35 PM

I honestly dont get this point of veiw.

1. Who's to say we dont finish top four without any signings?
2. How does anyone know who we are/are not interested in buying?
3. The transfer window isn't even open yet?
4. Shouldn't we have more patients?
5. How can you complain about inactivity if you've already decided we have no money or targets?
6. Seems to me your ready to turn on the owners if they don't bring in the type of player you want.

No, I think we had enough injuries last season.

Baraka · « **Reply #7804 on:** June 19, 2012, 11:35:49 AM »

Quote from: Jonjo Legend on June 19, 2012, 11:33:24 AM

Imagine this scenario....

The talk of the strict 30m budget was right.

We just signed Sigurdsson for 8.5m.

Now who do YOU buy with the remaining 21.5m??

Holt, diame and adam johnson

El_Pistolero · « **Reply #7805 on:** June 19, 2012, 11:37:04 AM »

Quote from: Jonjo Legend on June 19, 2012, 11:33:24 AM

Now who do YOU buy with the remaining 21.5m??

A very good DM/CM who could play with or replace Lucas and a cheap winger. Taking sales into account, the CM/DM & Ramirez.

Fuck knows who we'd sell though. Probably make our money back on Adam if we tried. Actually we need a striker too. Got his work cut out has Rodgers if we're on a budget.

audioedge · « **Reply #7806 on:** June 19, 2012, 11:37:16 AM »

Quote from: arcticus on June 19, 2012, 10:47:19 AM

If we have a summer of:

Gylfi
Adam Johnson
Rondon
Caulker

Will that be a good summer or a bad one?

Swap Caulker for Fernando Reges and Id be happy. Be more happy if you took Adam Johnson out of that list too.

Zlenpasha · « **Reply #7807 on:** June 19, 2012, 11:38:10 AM »

Quote from: Jonjo Legend on June 19, 2012, 11:33:24 AM

Imagine this scenario....
The talk of the strict 30m budget was right.
We just signed Sigurdsson for 8.5m.
Now who do YOU buy with the remaining 21.5m??

Or how do we upgrade on Carroll and Downing, replace Kuyt and Naxi and buy cover for Lucas with what's left?

Jonjo Legend · « **Reply #7808 on:** June 19, 2012, 11:43:23 AM »

Quote from: El_Pistolero on June 19, 2012, 11:37:04 AM

A very good DM/CM who could play with or replace Lucas and a cheap winger. Taking sales into account, the CM/DM & Ramirez.

Fuck knows who we'd sell though. Probably make our money back on Adam if we tried. Actually we need a striker too. Got his work cut out has Rodgers if we're on a budget.

Any player sales go towards the new players wages I'm afraid

Discipline · « **Reply #7809 on:** June 19, 2012, 11:44:36 AM »

Our biggest problem is our width.

Melbred · « **Reply #7810 on:** June 19, 2012, 11:45:01 AM »

Quote from: Jonjo Legend on June 19, 2012, 11:43:23 AM

Any player sales go towards the new players wages I'm afraid

Why? Considering we will be getting rid of whoever we're selling's wages as well.

El_Pistolero · « **Reply #7811 on:** June 19, 2012, 11:45:25 AM »

Quote from: Jonjo Legend on June 19, 2012, 11:43:23 AM

Any player sales go towards the new players wages I'm afraid

Dunno, Ben Smith said £30m + sales and that seems realistic enough to me. We'll see come August.

Jonjo Legend · « **Reply #7812 on:** June 19, 2012, 11:49:55 AM »

No need to be overly clever here lads - it's MY scenario that I invented just for fun.

Barefoot Doctor · « **Reply #7813 on:** June 19, 2012, 11:51:51 AM »

Should we be trying to enter a bidding war with Newcastle for De Jong? They obviously want him, but there's no way Twente will accept £8m.

Baz Smythe · « **Reply #7814 on:** June 19, 2012, 11:52:49 AM »

Quote from: El_Pistolero on June 19, 2012, 11:45:25 AM

Dunno, Ben Smith said £30m + sales and that seems realistic enough to me. We'll see come August.

How much would we get in sales? 1mil for Kuyt, 1 mil for Aquilani, 1 mil for Cole.

So 33mil and thats if we can shift this lot.

Barneylfc · « **Reply #7815 on:** June 19, 2012, 11:54:41 AM »

I genuinely dont think there is a budget. Haven't FSG repeatedly said that if there is a player available for the right price then we'll go for him?

Baz Smythe · « **Reply #7816 on:** June 19, 2012, 11:55:05 AM »

Quote from: Barefoot Doctor on June 19, 2012, 11:51:51 AM

Should we be trying to enter a bidding war with Newcastle for De Jong? They obviously want him, but there's no way Twente will accept £8m.

If Newcastle want him, it probably means he's bloody good. I'd like him to backup Carroll, he's young enough to accept that and has enough potential to lead the line for years to come.

No666 · « **Reply #7817 on:** June 19, 2012, 11:55:06 AM »

Quote from: Baz Smythe on June 19, 2012, 11:52:49 AM

How much would we get in sales? 1mil for Kuyt, 1 mil for Aquilani, 1 mil for Cole.

So 33mil and thats if we can shift this lot.

Which is why it makes sense to shift Adam and Spearing.

El_Pistolero · « **Reply #7818 on:** June 19, 2012, 11:55:32 AM »

Quote from: Baz Smythe on June 19, 2012, 11:52:49 AM

How much would we get in sales? 1mil for Kuyt, 1 mil for Aquilani, 1 mil for Cole.

So 33mil and thats if we can shift this lot.

Probably make our money back from Adam, at least £5m. Spearing could probably fetch a couple. Think we'd get 2-3 for Cole off a West Ham/QPR. His wages are the problem.

And CouldHe Play! · « **Reply #7819 on:** June 19, 2012, 11:57:08 AM »

Quote from: Brancefly on June 19, 2012, 11:54:41 AM

I genuinely dont think there is a budget. Haven't FSG repeatedly said that if there is a player available for the right price then we'll go for him?

I'd imagine there would be a ball park figure, but not a strict "30 million and not 1 pound over!"

Jonjo Legend · « **Reply #7820 on:** June 19, 2012, 11:57:40 AM »

Quote from: Baraka on June 19, 2012, 11:35:49 AM

Holt, diame and adam johnson

Straight to the point. Cheers mate

arcticus · « **Reply #7821 on:** June 19, 2012, 12:02:32 PM »

Quote from: El_Pistolero on June 19, 2012, 11:55:32 AM

Probably make our money back from Adam, at least £5m. Spearing could probably fetch a couple. Think we'd get 2-3 for Cole off a West Ham/QPR. His wages are the problem.

Managers like familiar faces when they are at new clubs. Joe and Rodgers were in Chelsea together so I doubt that Rodgers would get rid of him.

Barefoot Doctor · « **Reply #7822 on:** June 19, 2012, 12:30:13 PM »

Quote from: arcticus on June 19, 2012, 12:02:32 PM

Managers like familiar faces when they are at new clubs. Joe and Rodgers were in Chelsea together so I doubt that Rodgers would get rid of him.

I don't think Rodgers will be the man making the decision about Joe Cole. His exorbitant wages means it'll be FSG who decide to get rid of him.

RedPross · « **Reply #7823 on:** June 19, 2012, 12:33:51 PM »

Quote from: Jonjo Legend on June 19, 2012, 11:33:24 AM

Imagine this scenario....

The talk of the strict 30m budget was right.

We just signed Sigurdsson for 8.5m.

Now who do YOU buy with the remaining 21.5m??

I would try and squeeze Sturridge and Borini out of that 21.5m

In the new world all the players will be responsible for both defensive and attacking duties.... therefore don't see much point buying an out and out defensive Midfielder!
We weren't poor last season because of our central midfield..... we were because we couldn't finish teams off when we created the chances so I would invest in more options upfront.
These two give us more options up front.

arcticus · « **Reply #7824 on:** June 19, 2012, 12:34:08 PM »

Quote from: Barefoot Doctor on June 19, 2012, 12:30:13 PM

I don't think Rodgers will be the man making the decision about Joe Cole. His exorbitant wages means it'll be FSG who decide to get rid of him.

Which club is going to give him 90k a week if he leaves?

I seriously doubt we'll allow a repeat of last year where we paid 60k out of his 90k.

Miro · « **Reply #7825 on:** June 19, 2012, 12:35:30 PM »

Quote from: Jonjo Legend on June 19, 2012, 11:33:24 AM

Imagine this scenario....

The talk of the strict 30m budget was right.

We just signed Sigurdsson for 8.5m.

Now who do YOU buy with the remaining 21.5m??

I would sell Adam, Spearing and Joe Cole which would probably give us around 12 Million + 1Million from Kuyt sales bringing our total to around 34m

Left Wing: Christian Tello/Affelay (8m)
Defensive Midfield: Bruno Soriano/Fernando Gago(7m)
Strikers: Luuk De Jong/Fabio Borini (12m) + Jordan Rhodes/Wilfried Zaha (7m)

That would be the stuff of dreams for me.

Carlito Roberto · « **Reply #7826 on:** June 19, 2012, 12:37:00 PM »

Quote from: arcticus on June 19, 2012, 12:34:08 PM

Which club is going to give him 90k a week if he leaves?

I seriously doubt we'll allow a repeat of last year where we paid 60k out of his 90k.

Ever heard of a golden handshake?

See Phillip Degen for details.

Upinsmoke · « **Reply #7827 on:** June 19, 2012, 12:38:08 PM »

Adam and Maxi both leave. Aqua and Joe stay, not saying I want this to happen but I think it might. Just because there both on massive wages I can't for the life of me see us shifting them and I don't think loan moves will happen for them this time round.

arcticus · « **Reply #7828 on:** June 19, 2012, 12:38:18 PM »

Quote from: Miro on June 19, 2012, 12:35:30 PM

I would sell Adam, Spearing and Joe Cole which would probably give us around 12 Million + 1Million from Kuyt sales bringing our total to around 34m

Left Wing: Christian Tello/Affelay (8m)
Defensive Midfield: Bruno Soriano/Fernando Gago(7m)
Strikers: Luuk De Jong/Fabio Borini (12m) + Jordan Rhodes/Wilfried Zaha (7m)

That would be the stuff of dreams for me.

Who in their right mind will pay 12 million for those 3

Barefoot Doctor · « **Reply #7829 on:** June 19, 2012, 12:38:20 PM »

Quote from: arcticus on June 19, 2012, 12:34:08 PM

Which club is going to give him 90k a week if he leaves?

I seriously doubt we'll allow a repeat of last year where we paid 60k out of his 90k.

No club will. That's why I think we'll forgo a transfer fee, so the club that takes him is able to give him a big signing on fee with smaller wages.

classycarra · « **Reply #7830 on:** June 19, 2012, 12:39:41 PM »

Quote from: Barefoot Doctor on June 19, 2012, 12:30:13 PM

I don't think Rodgers will be the man making the decision about Joe Cole. His exorbitant wages means it'll be FSG who decide to get rid of him.

hopefully.

also i think the chelsea connection is overstated. rodgers managed at a youth level, and then at reserve level. it's not like he would have been managing cole much, if at all

Miro · « **Reply #7831 on:** June 19, 2012, 12:41:09 PM »

Quote from: arcticus on June 19, 2012, 12:38:18 PM

Who in their right mind will pay 12 million for those 3

Charlie Adam - 5-6m (mid table club)
Spearing - 3-4m (lower -mid table end club)
Joe Cole - 2-3M (lower - mid end table club ) - provided he reduces his wages

Being slightly optimistic of course

Okay actually now that i think about it, im probably being too optimistic

arcticus · « **Reply #7832 on:** June 19, 2012, 12:41:12 PM »

Quote from: classycarra on June 19, 2012, 12:39:41 PM

hopefully.

also i think the chelsea connection is overstated. rodgers managed at a youth level, and then at reserve level. it's not like he would have been managing cole much, if at all

Mourinho promoted him to train the first team. Lampard has spoken about Rodgers' influence on him.

Renato · « **Reply #7833 on:** June 19, 2012, 12:44:53 PM »

Quote from: Baz Smythe on June 19, 2012, 11:55:05 AM

If Newcastle want him, it probably means he's bloody good. I'd like him to backup Carroll, he's young enough to accept that and has enough potential to lead the line for years to come.

He's better than Carroll so I wouldn't imagine he'd be happy sitting on the bench

Severely · « **Reply #7834 on:** June 19, 2012, 12:45:46 PM »

Quote from: arcticus on June 19, 2012, 12:38:18 PM

Who in their right mind will pay 12 million for those 3

Not saying I want them gone, but Adam would probably be valued around 6-8m, Spearing around 3 or 4m and Cole would leave for free. I still think Jay and Charlie could have a place in the squad though.

Baz Smythe · « **Reply #7835 on:** June 19, 2012, 12:47:25 PM »

Anybody with any knowledge, should we be happy about being linked with Wilfried Bony and Benedikt Howedes this morning?

Pistolero · « **Reply #7836 on:** June 19, 2012, 12:52:16 PM »

some much missed Aquilani news...

http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/aquilani-is-happy-to-play-for-liverpool-next-year-if-the-manager-

arcticus · « **Reply #7837 on:** June 19, 2012, 12:52:57 PM »

Quote from: Baz Smythe on June 19, 2012, 12:47:25 PM

Anybody with any knowledge, should we be happy about being linked with Wilfried Bony and Benedikt Howedes this morning?

Looking at wiki -

23 years old, 15 goals in 35 games in the dutch league $:-\$

Would prefer De Jong to him

Tomaldinho · « **Reply #7838 on:** June 19, 2012, 12:54:14 PM »

Quote from: Tarantino Red on June 19, 2012, 10:36:08 AM

Is it just me.... Or does anyone feel we will pull off a major signing under the radar?

Suarez style.

Doubt it. We've finished outside the top 4 twice since we got Suarez don't forget

Jeffe · « **Reply #7839 on:** June 19, 2012, 01:03:00 PM »

Any transfer fee we get for Joe Cole will probably be spent on Joe Cole so that he's willing to accept a lower contract at QPR, West Ham, etc.

On the bright side though we've already shifted a 100k per week off our wage bill and if Cole goes, that's another 100k. Being able to get some of the high earners off our wage bill is going to be key for us + it will have a say in how much we'll be able to spend.

I think we could be able to get 2M for Spearing & around 5 for Adam.