Topic: General Transfer Discussion about LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB

[ghost1359]

From a video proclaiming him Barcelona's future....

'Tello runs towards the box from left wing , then does an outside dodge and shoots. That is all he does again and again throughout the match, without passing the ball ever. He has great speed but needs to learn a lot before being considered the "future".'

[Cybertom]

Just been watching some more videos of Luuk de Jong. I'd kill to have him here. Seems like a Rodgers type striker, a much better version of Danny Graham with the abilty to score from outside the box. I'd be going all out to get his guy, he's going to be a star. Much technically better than AC, although I do think Carroll can still make a success of this time here.

Second this. The more I see him, the more he jumps out to me as a Rodgers type striker. I feel a player in the mould of a Torres and Rooney would work well under Rodgers, and I would say Luuk de Jong is a player who has aspects of his game that are identical to both of the aforementioned players. He's creative on the ball, reasonably quick, strong and has a very good shot. The next RVP, if anything.

[fefs]

FSG have shown that only one matters to them, getting in to champs league is the only thing that guarantees the manager will keep his job

not only are you wrong, but you are wrong AND in the wrong thread.
congrats.

[Shannon]

FSG have shown that only one matters to them, getting in to champs league is the only thing that guarantees the manager will keep his job

I would argue that progression is what will keep the managers job, Rodgers isn't expected to get a CL spot but he is expected to have made progress from last year.  The reason Kenny was fired I believe is that no progression was made from the year before, fair enough we won a cup but in the grander scheme of things the squad required another overhaul which should not have been the case, (I am not Kenny bashing by the way before that accusation is lobbed at me). If Rodgers can get us to have have a settled system of play and set of tactics as well as either achieving CL qualification or being in the running for it on the last day of the season can be deemed progress.

[Aristotle]

I know its agent phoning and not BR calling them but I'd be very disappointed if we were recruiting players based on recommendations of agents.

That's how most deals are done in England though. Agents call up and say what players they represent and tell them they'll be a good fit for your club. It's a system rotten to the core. Just look at the players fat Sam and 'Arry always take with them. Same agent, get a cut of the fee etc.

[Shannon]

Tellos stats are quite impressive. 7 goals in something like 19-20 apps, mostly substitute appearances. Though you'd have to take into account most teams have been killed off, and resigned to loosing when he's come on. Depending on the price it's abit of a gamble.

It also suggests he might be a Hernandez type of poacher which is what we are crying out for.

[higuaintolfc]

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/team/player-stats/11601/Agger Go to the bottom of that page. You'll figure it out.

Koscielny killed Agger last season. 

Killed? He played far more minutes than Agger and Agger still bossed him in duel and aerial %. Go compare him to someone who played similar minutes, Skrtel.

[higuaintolfc]

From twitter...

John Sinnott ‏@JohnSinnott
Agents have been phoning Brendan Rodgers to find out what positions looking at for new players. Offensive midfielder might be needed. #lfc

Hmmm surely we have enough if we're getting The Gilf

We may not, Gaston Ramirez is an offensive midfielder btw.

[Barefoot Doctor]

That's how most deals are done in England though. Agents call up and say what players they represent and tell them they'll be a good fit for your club. It's a system rotten to the core. Just look at the players fat Sam and 'Arry always take with them. Same agent, get a cut of the fee etc.

Yup. Problem is when managers rely solely on the agents. Nothing wrong with listening to agents to find out who is available and then doing a bit of homework to see if they would suit us or not. I trust Rodgers (and Fallows and Edwards) to know exactly who is suited to the club and bring in the right players.

[DanA]

Tello has averaged a goal ever 83 minutes for Barcelona

[higuaintolfc]

From a video proclaiming him Barcelona's future....

'Tello runs towards the box from left wing , then does an outside dodge and shoots. That is all he does again and again throughout the match, without passing the ball ever. He has great speed but needs to learn a lot before being considered the "future".'

That's the role of a winger. Barca don't play with traditional wingers so he doesn't fit in there. He'd fit in here well.

[higuaintolfc]

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/326572

[SheikhMo]

Krasic and Tello would defo add some much needed pace into our attacking play.

[Garstonite]

So is the general consensus: two wingers, one more experience and one young and upcoming?

Kalou/Krasic along with Ramirez/Tello

I'd take that.

[ghost1359]

That's the role of a winger. Barca don't play with traditional wingers so he doesn't fit in there. He'd fit in here well.

[arcticus]

So is the general consensus: two wingers, one more experience and one young and upcoming?

Kalou/Krasic along with Ramirez/Tello

I'd take that.

Just get both Tello and Ramirez

[higuaintolfc]

So is the general consensus: two wingers, one more experience and one young and upcoming?

Kalou/Krasic along with Ramirez/Tello

I'd take that.

Ramirez isn't much of a winger, he's more of an attacking midfielder. A bit like Silva/Mata etc. I'd take 1 of:
Afellay/Krasic and Tello thanks.

[higuaintolfc]

Watch that video again, he always looks to get down the line and either cut in and shoot or cross it along the box. He's a traditional winger, Barca don't like that.

[Crimson_Tank]

Tello has averaged a goal ever 83 minutes for Barcelona

And what may I ask is the sample size in regards to this statistic?

[Adam_LFC]

I haven't seen much of Krasic myself but from what I have read there is very little too him except pace. Is that about right?

Considering he is 27 too it seems like the whole 'buy young players' thing means nothing.

[Juan Loco]

So is the general consensus: two wingers, one more experience and one young and upcoming?

Kalou/Krasic along with Ramirez/Tello

I'd take that.

Is Ramirez actually a winger though?

I see how Kalou and Tello fit into how Rodgers sets up his team. Krasic less so. Ramirez no idea, but I assumed he was, at best, your maxi-type wide player, but really one of those players who wants to play in the hole, which is where Sigurdsson will be.

A clusterfuck of names being linked thusfar. Just hope there's some sort of strategy to it. Are we going for youngsters and then relying on coaching to improve them? Are we going for 'undervalued' cast offs from better teams in positions we need (arguably Kalou, Granero etc), or do we actually have enough money to go out and get a load of shit-hot players between 22-25 like Dembele, Jovetic?

It'd be nice if there was some sort of strategy to it.

[ghost1359]

Watch that video again, he always looks to get down the line and either cut in and shoot or cross it along the box. He's a traditional winger, Barca don't like that.

How is that related to the comment I posted?

[ghost1359]

And what may I ask is the sample size in regards to this statistic?

About 15 games

[Juan Loco]

I haven't seen much of Krasic myself but from what I have read there is very little too him except pace. Is that about right?

He's incredible at dribbling with the ball, at times.

[karl1987]

So if all these reports/rumours are true we could be starting something like this next season -

                      Reina

Johnson    Skrtel   Agger        Enrique

               Gerrard    Lucas

Krasic             Ramirez          Tello

                      Suarez

[DanA]

And what may I ask is the sample size in regards to this statistic?

7 goals in 575 minutes

[Garstonite]

Is Ramirez actually a winger though?

I see how Kalou and Tello fit into how Rodgers sets up his team. Krasic less so. Ramirez no idea, but I assumed he was, at best, your maxi-type wide player, but really one of those players who wants to play in the hole, which is where Sigurdsson will be.

A clusterfuck of names being linked thusfar. Just hope there's some sort of strategy to it. Are we going for youngsters and then relying on coaching to improve them? Are we going for 'undervalued' cast offs from better teams in positions we need (arguably Kalou, Granero etc), or do we actually have enough money to go out and get a load of shit-hot players between 22-25 like Dembele, Jovetic?

It'd be nice if there was some sort of strategy to it.

An awful lot of games to be played over the course of next season don't forget Juan and as has been mentioned, Rodgers' is open to new ideas. I don't think anyone here can safely say how he "sets up his team".

On Ramirez, I have no idea to be honest. Haven't seen much of him. I still think we'll go for a Krasic/Kalou though and I think they could end up being the most inspired pick of all our summer imports.

[Sheik_Yerbouti]

But you have to take into account that Barcelona are winning comfortably and therefore won't be pressing as hard to score goals as earlier on in the game.


It's a two way street. You can twist it which ever way you want.

Not really, Barcelona play pretty much the same way over 90 minutes regardless if they are chasing a goal or they are leading 3-0. The difference being basically only what players they take off and put on. There is a massive difference between a team still trying to win a game or get a point and a team resigned to loosing. Now, he has not only scored goals when they have been comfortably in the lead, he scored against Osasuna when they lost 3-2 and the opener against Sociedad when they won 2-1, but he has mostly been thrown in when the games have been won.

If the potential signing makes sense or not will depend entirely on the price in my opinion, would be stupid to throw away a substantial amount on Tello, but if he comes cheap, then it's defo worth it as there is clearly potential there.

[Jonjo Legend]

Break down of the teams Tello has scored against:

[Garstonite]

I'm fully expecting to see more of Suarez out wide next season too.

[Asam]

Is Ramirez actually a winger though?

I see how Kalou and Tello fit into how Rodgers sets up his team. Krasic less so. Ramirez no idea, but I assumed he was, at best, your maxi-type wide player, but really one of those players who wants to play in the hole, which is where Sigurdsson will be.

A clusterfuck of names being linked thusfar. Just hope there's some sort of strategy to it. Are we going for youngsters and then relying on coaching to improve them? Are we going for 'undervalued' cast offs from better teams in positions we need (arguably Kalou, Granero etc), or do we actually have enough money to go out and get a load of shit-hot players between 22-25 like Dembele, Jovetic?

It'd be nice if there was some sort of strategy to it.

For Bologna Ramirez plays either on the right of a forward 3 but cuts inside on his left foot, or he can play in the hole

[Legendary_Nines]

So if all these reports/rumours are true we couldbe starting something like this next season -

                      Reina

Johnson    Skrtel   Agger        Enrique

               Gerrard    Lucas

Krasic             Ramirez          Tello

                      Suarez

What about Gylfi?

[arcticus]

31 pages till we sign someone 

[Garstonite]

Break down of the teams Tello has scored against:

Youth player in getting more game time against smaller sides shocker.

[Barefoot Doctor]

So if all these reports/rumours are true we could be starting something like this next season -

                      Reina

Johnson    Skrtel   Agger        Enrique

               Gerrard    Lucas

Krasic             Ramirez          Tello

                      Suarez

Can't see us buying three attacking midfielders/wingers. Sigurdsson plays there anywhere. I'd expect Gylfi plus one winger.

[karl1987]

What about Gylfi?

Rotation with Raminez taking Tello's place on the left and Siggy playing the central attacking midfield role.

[ghost1359]

Thank you, all this thread was missing was a mock up formation with players we haven't signed.

[karl1987]

Thank you, all this thread was missing was a mock up formation with players we haven't signed.

Do I get a gold star?

[DanA]

                     Reina

Johnson    Skrtel   Agger        Enrique

               Gerrard    Lucas

Suarez             Sigursson          Tello

                       Carroll

Seems most likely at this stage. I'd hope for a DM & Striker though in addition.

[Cpt_Reina]

Youth player in getting more game time against smaller sides shocker.

A player who scores agains 'weaker' teams? Why would we want that, we're boss as fuck at running all over the smaller clubs.