Topic: General Transfer Discussion about LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB

[Mr Rossi]

The Clasie link was invented by a blogger I think Filler - saying he was like a tiki taka midfielder - don't think there's actually been any link.

Shame that.

[Henry Gale]

Couple of mutterings in the press about Sturridge for £15m.

I didn't realise he only had a year left on his contract, can't see him getting many games next season.

[itsgunnabebarnes!]

Two wingers to take the strain off the midfield , there is a reason united and their shit midfield carry on winning

[rednich85]

Two wingers to take the strain off the midfield , there is a reason united and their shit midfield carry on winning

What did they win last season again?

[Tepid water]

Two wingers to take the strain off the midfield , there is a reason united and their shit midfield carry on winning

In a nutshell.

Shit midfield, average defence (well bit better than that, but not stellar) and granny shagger up front.

Nail on head. Its the same as the old drunks used for 20 years.

[Always_A_Red]

Is there any substance in everyone talking about Adabeyor and Johnson? Is it just a roumor or do we know that we have been watching the/made an approach for them?

I'd be delighted if we managed to get both but I think that wage demands would surely stand in the way??

[CognacBut]

Couple of mutterings in the press about Sturridge for £15m.

Good player, be even better when he learns its a team game and it helps to pass the ball.

Didn't he go to Chelsea on a big contract though? Reason he left City at the time right? Doubt we would match it, but then again who will?

[itsgunnabebarnes!]

What did they win last season again?

Fuck all but they took the league to the last game of the season something we have not done for twenty years. But if you think it's ok because they won fuck all the so be it

[rednich85]

Fuck all but they took the league to the last game of the season something we have not done for twenty years. But if you think it's ok because they won fuck all the so be it

But you said they continue to win with a shit centre mid. They don't, they won fuck all, throwing away an 8 point lead, in doing so.

I can understand the point you're making but let's not dress it up, Utd didn't win the league because, ultimately, they had a 52 year old asthmatic and Michael Caarrick in their midfield.

[itsgunnabebarnes!]

So you know what I mean but decide to ignore that and point out the fact they won nothing. They have dominated for decades using the same method. We also go on about the season under rafa where we came second with many thinking we were the best team that season. We're we shit that year like united last season?

[rednich85]

So you know what I mean but decide to ignore that and point out the fact they won nothing. They have dominated for decades using the same method. We also go on about the season under rafa where we came second with many thinking we were the best team that season. We're we shit that year like united last season?

They've dominated for decades but that domination was based around some top class centre midfielders.

Now?

They suffered because having dead fast wingers and a weak centre midfield can only get you so far.

The year we nearly won the league, we were poor in periods, hence....we....errr....didn't win the league.

Football has moved on from the days of Ripley and Wilcox providing the ammo for the SAS. In theory, its still a good plan.

But back to your main point, having good wingers doesn't mean success, as the example you used (Utd) had zero success last season.

[ghirl67]

Yeah, that's the Sunday edition - it's a very Rangers-centric paper btw.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/2012/06/10/liverpool-among-three-english-clubs-fighting-to-sign-celtic-star-victor-wanyama-86908-23892375/

Matt McGlone is saying his agent is hawking him round. http://www.twitter.com/mattmcglone9
And Brian McNally of the Mirror vaguely confirms from the English side. http://www.twitter.com/McNallyMirror

He's what? 20? Big lad, very strong, raw talent.

Saw this story yesterday and will take the word of Matt McGlone over any hack.

Hopefully this won't unsettle him though. 

Prefers Midfield but comfortable at CB, where injury forced us to play him quite a few times last season.  When we were experimenting wih a 352 toward end of season, he looked very comfortable as the right sided CB.

Lennon wants his team playing the ball on the deck.  Wanyama's main job is to break up opposition play and help us retain possession, keep us going.  He has, however, also popped up with a few goals of his own.

Would like us to keep him for another season or two but hardly surprising he is attracting attention. 

Bought for £900,000 and i expect we would be looking to make a good bit more than that back. 

[Hazell]

Thanks for that ghirl67, certainly seems the type of player we needed last season. Can't see you letting him go easily though, if at all.

[ghirl67]

Thanks for that ghirl67, certainly seems the type of player we needed last season. Can't see you letting him go easily though, if at all.

Not this summer.

We have a lot of young players attracting attention who we will eventually sell on for a good whack more than we bought them.  What is important is we don't sell them all at one time because that would be counter-productive to what we are trying to do.

[Barefoot Doctor]

Daniel Sturridge could work for us. Greedy bastard, but could thrive under Rodgers. Would work really well as the wide man getting us goals. Know he doesn't like that position though, so he may not fancy it. Sees himself more as a natural CF, and he'd be a decent option there too.

[Snoopy29]

Brendan Rodgers is the determined type.

I hope he can use this, and being more active in the transfer market. Previously, I guess it felt as if there was a worry on whether the team can do much in the transfer dealings.

I like Brendan Rodgers'press conference, it just makes you think about his mentality.

He's destined to learn, and do something about his knowledge in football.

That picture of him with his notes suggests he's keen to make something happen!!!! O_O




Hopefully the team can attract top players!

[Tarantino Red]

I would love Sturridge here. Never going to happen though, unfortunately.

Despite the fact he's not going to get much playing time next season.

[CoventryYNWA]

I would love Sturridge here. Never going to happen though, unfortunately.

Despite the fact he's not going to get much playing time next season.

Not being synical, but why not? Last year of contract, first team place there for the taking and could become a major part of Rodgers' rivialisation and reign. 10-15m and i think we will have a great deal (hypothetically)

[stardorman]

I would love Sturridge here. Never going to happen though, unfortunately.

Despite the fact he's not going to get much playing time next season.

Reminds me of Jimmy Floyd Hasslebaink.. Good player but massively unendearing and for that i'm out..
and the small fact that they're quoting a ridiculous £15mill fee

[sirjames]

They've dominated for decades but that domination was based around some top class centre midfielders.

Now?

They suffered because having dead fast wingers and a weak centre midfield can only get you so far.

The year we nearly won the league, we were poor in periods, hence....we....errr....didn't win the league.

Football has moved on from the days of Ripley and Wilcox providing the ammo for the SAS. In theory, its still a good plan.

But back to your main point, having good wingers doesn't mean success, as the example you used (Utd) had zero success last season.

only it hasnt moved on, and wide players are massive. The only time united havnt won anything and not looked like winning anything was when giggs was old and couldnt play on the wing as a winger anymore and beckham got shipped off so they didnt have any wide players. They lost the league on goal difference, the CMs are shite but have class wingers.

Chelsea when they dominated they had duff and robben on the wings.

Wingers give you such an advantage if your team is shit. They are a massive outlet and are always a worry. Looks at spurs. Even chelsea this year looked miles better when ramires got shifted out right.

[lfcmaster]

i would love sturridge or adam johnson

both would make a big improvement to the first team

[nevoo36]

only it hasnt moved on, and wide players are massive. The only time united havnt won anything and not looked like winning anything was when giggs was old and couldnt play on the wing as a winger anymore and beckham got shipped off so they didnt have any wide players. They lost the league on goal difference, the CMs are shite but have class wingers.

Chelsea when they dominated they had duff and robben on the wings.

Wingers give you such an advantage if your team is shit. They are a massive outlet and are always a worry. Looks at spurs. Even chelsea this year looked miles better when ramires got shifted out right.

That doesn't really hold any weight though does it, Beckham went and Ronaldo developed into the player and c*nt he is today, Giggs got old and they have Nani, add to this Valencia and Young. They have always played this way even reaching as far back as Kanchelskis. The big difference back then to now is that their wingers could bomb forward with pace as they knew they has an Ince, Keane or Scholes as cover to break up any counter attacks.

They do not have the Midfield right now to do this and as a result teams counter them with much more frequency and success, see the Everton game at Old Trafford last season which effectively handed the title initiative back to Manchester City. 

[-Q-]

Sturridge is a very good player, but he'd have to sort his attitude out.  I'd give him a chance but if he is moaning about not playing or playing where Rodgers wants him like he did at Chelsea, then I'd sell him in January.

[-Q-]

Reminds me of Jimmy Floyd Hasslebaink.. Good player but massively unendearing and for that i'm out..
and the small fact that they're quoting a ridiculous £15mill fee

How is £15m ridiculous?

[rednich85]

How is £15m ridiculous?

Moneyball.

[sirjames]

That doesn't really hold any weight though does it, Beckham went and Ronaldo developed into the player and c*nt he is today, Giggs got old and they have Nani, add to this Valencia and Young. They have always played this way even reaching as far back as Kanchelskis. The big difference back then to now is that their wingers could bomb forward with pace as they knew they has an Ince, Keane or Scholes as cover to break up any counter attacks.

They do not have the Midfield right now to do this and as a result teams counter them with much more frequency and success, see the Everton game at Old Trafford last season which effectively handed the title initiative back to Manchester City. 

The point is though, look at the midfield they have... and they lost the league on goal difference. Between ronaldo developing and giggs becoming slow is the only time they havnt really been up their challenging. Uniteds team last year should have been no where near city`s but they was because they have pace on the wings. Valencia, young nani are all a massive threat. They can stretch teams and get in behind so quick.

[hugoboss]

For the same price who would you rather have Sturridge or De Jong

[Zlenpasha]

For the same price who would you rather have Sturridge or De Jong

De Jong

[rednich85]

only it hasnt moved on, and wide players are massive. The only time united havnt won anything and not looked like winning anything was when giggs was old and couldnt play on the wing as a winger anymore and beckham got shipped off so they didnt have any wide players. They lost the league on goal difference, the CMs are shite but have class wingers.

Chelsea when they dominated they had duff and robben on the wings.

Wingers give you such an advantage if your team is shit. They are a massive outlet and are always a worry. Looks at spurs. Even chelsea this year looked miles better when ramires got shifted out right.

I mean the game has moved on from 4-4-2....for the time being.

Of course wingers play a valuable role in the modern game.

I can't think of any team that has had recent success playing (predominantly) 4-4-2 with two wingers.

Utd's midfield in Beckhams last season included Roy Keane, Paul Scholes and Juan Veron. Shite midfielders?

I cant stress how important I think wingers are. Without the right stuff around them though, their importance becomes redundant.

[itsgunnabebarnes!]

only it hasnt moved on, and wide players are massive. The only time united havnt won anything and not looked like winning anything was when giggs was old and couldnt play on the wing as a winger anymore and beckham got shipped off so they didnt have any wide players. They lost the league on goal difference, the CMs are shite but have class wingers.

Chelsea when they dominated they had duff and robben on the wings.

Wingers give you such an advantage if your team is shit. They are a massive outlet and are always a worry. Looks at spurs. Even chelsea this year looked miles better when ramires got shifted out right.

Spot on,  wingers who stretch play enable teams to press higher

[rednich85]

For the same price who would you rather have Sturridge or De Jong

I'd have Sturridge.

Simply because he has pace.

[nevoo36]

The point is though, look at the midfield they have... and they lost the league on goal difference. Between ronaldo developing and giggs becoming slow is the only time they havnt really been up their challenging. Uniteds team last year should have been no where near city`s but they was because they have pace on the wings. Valencia, young nani are all a massive threat. They can stretch teams and get in behind so quick.

You have a point, however, on the flip side they lost the league by not having the defensive cover in midfield when their attacks broke down thus exposing their frail centre and putting massive pressure on their weaker back four.

The bottom line is United just have this knack of winning when they are playing shit, the amount of times they have pulled a result out of no where is beyond belief, thing is Liverpool used to do exactly the same years ago.

Mentality of visiting sides to the toilet is a big factor too, half the PL turn up there with the mentality that they are starting the game 2-0 down before a ball is even kicked, it has been different in recent years in that a half decent PL side will go there and give it a go, again see the Bitters game last season. Their invincibility is starting to wane, a bit like opposing teams visiting Anfield now, they are not so afraid anymore, I think we will see more teams go to Old Trafford and actually play to get something because they are not what they used to be.

I dare bet that they are not even 6 points within Manchester City next season and maybe even Chelsea given the level of investment that Chelsea have already made and what City are likely to make.

[marcus50bucks]

De Jong

I'd pass on De Jong. Can't help but feel he'd struggle over here. I've watched him a few times and doesn't look impressive when hes not scoring. For me Sturridge has got a number of good attributes that I think he could bring for the team. He's technically good, has pace, good finishing ability, can beat a man with skill and not just rely on his speed. He can also play in a number of positions which will suit Rodgers imo.

[hugoboss]

De Jong

Honestly would prefer Sturridge but haven't watched De Jong as much

[Barefoot Doctor]

Think Chelsea will want to keep Sturridge. One of the few young British talents they have. Lad isn't going to get a sniff in the bigger games next season, having to fight Torres, Hulk, Hazard, Marin, Mata and Ramires for a place.

[-Q-]

For the same price who would you rather have Sturridge or De Jong

If it were possible (ie their clubs would let them go and they'd come to us) I'd spend our entire transfer budget on the two of them to add them to our squad.  Then I'd look to sell players (Spearing, Downing and Adam) to add Sigurðsson and Adam Johnson.

[Fordy]

I mean the game has moved on from 4-4-2....for the time being.

Of course wingers play a valuable role in the modern game.

I can't think of any team that has had recent success playing (predominantly) 4-4-2 with two wingers.

Utd's midfield in Beckhams last season included Roy Keane, Paul Scholes and Juan Veron. Shite midfielders?

I cant stress how important I think wingers are. Without the right stuff around them though, their importance becomes redundant.

Yeah and Beckham was their main man.

Utd prize themselves on a good winger. If Valencia would of been fit most of the season then I think they would of won the league this time around.

Utd, Madrid, Munich all have wingers that can change a game.

Barca make sure that they use the width as do Chelsea.

Liverpool FC haven't had a decent winger since John Barnes.

[tubby]

Hasn't Sturridge had a few whinges about not being played centrally for Chelsea?  Can't imagine he'd play through the middle much under the system Rodgers likes to use either.

[sirjames]

They have been on the decline ever since they got rid of jaap stam though!

The ability to nick goals and win games when they dont deserve to isnt lucky. The fact that they can expose a space when a oposition full back attacks and score with pace is why.

The way we have to score is build and build and build and work really hard for our goals.

Sometimes football is a really simple game, if someone can spread the ball out wide and a fast winger can get 1-1 with the defender 3/4 times in a game he will get round him once and a very good chance will open up.

alot of times united can just miss out the midfield and go from back to front really quickly. not long ball but very direct into space.

Maybe the game has moved on from 442 but if your playing 433 or 451 width is still massive.

[Saint Kopite™]

But you said they continue to win with a shit centre mid. They don't, they won fuck all, throwing away an 8 point lead, in doing so.

I can understand the point you're making but let's not dress it up, Utd didn't win the league because, ultimately, they had a 52 year old asthmatic and Michael Caarrick in their midfield.

You mean the same Carrick who was their best player last season after Valencia? Carrick was very good last season. So was Scholes after he came back from his retirement. The reason they didn't win the league title last season was because of poor defending. Especially against Everton which cost them the league. I agree that United don't have a good midfield mainly because leaving Carrick and to an extent Scholes, they don't have any good central midfielders but you are making Carrick sound as if he was average when he actually was England's best midfielder last season along with Barry.