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Re: General Transfer Discussion.
« Reply #4000 on: June 7, 2012, 12:55:45 AM »
Why would De Jong want to go to Bayern to sit on the bench?
In case Gomez get hurt for a long period of time...
Don't watch Bayern that much, he and Olic (sp?) were the only strikers for Bayern last season?
Olic has left, too, right?

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Re: General Transfer Discussion.
« Reply #4001 on: June 7, 2012, 12:59:16 AM »
To celebrate reaching 100 pages I slapped together a list of the most reasonable priced players 25 and under that managed to bag double figures in 2011/12:

Gary Hooper - 24 goals
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This Hooper guys seems a good talent, a bit of Rooney about him. Would be well worth a punt alongside a proven goalscorer
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Re: General Transfer Discussion.
« Reply #4002 on: June 7, 2012, 01:04:56 AM »
In case Gomez get hurt for a long period of time...
Don't watch Bayern that much, he and Olic (sp?) were the only strikers for Bayern last season?
Olic has left, too, right?

Yeah but De Jong is a 21 year old coming off the back of a 30 goal plus season for Twente - why on earth would he now decide to move to Bayern in the faint hope of Gomez getting a long-term injury? That doesn't make sense. He could easily move to a number of different clubs in Europe where he'd get first team football as well as being able to play at a higher level than he's currently at - Liverpool would be one of those clubs in fact.

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Re: General Transfer Discussion.
« Reply #4003 on: June 7, 2012, 01:10:37 AM »
To celebrate reaching 100 pages I slapped together a list of the most reasonable priced players 25 and under that managed to bag double figures in 2011/12:
Thank you for all that research. Must have taken you a few hours to put together.  Much appreciated. :wave

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« Reply #4004 on: June 7, 2012, 01:24:44 AM »
Bad news for any club looking to pick up Afellay for a bargain this summer.

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Re: General Transfer Discussion.
« Reply #4005 on: June 7, 2012, 01:41:36 AM »
Yeah but De Jong is a 21 year old coming off the back of a 30 goal plus season for Twente - why on earth would he now decide to move to Bayern in the faint hope of Gomez getting a long-term injury? That doesn't make sense. He could easily move to a number of different clubs in Europe where he'd get first team football as well as being able to play at a higher level than he's currently at - Liverpool would be one of those clubs in fact.
How about Bayern plays 442 and they need 2 strikers every games??  :>

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« Reply #4006 on: June 7, 2012, 01:53:25 AM »
Bad news for any club looking to pick up Afellay for a bargain this summer.


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Re: General Transfer Discussion.
« Reply #4007 on: June 7, 2012, 02:51:03 AM »
No , no.....Its not Affalay.

It's Gomis.

Everybody knows that.
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Re: General Transfer Discussion.
« Reply #4008 on: June 7, 2012, 03:03:05 AM »
Bad news for any club looking to pick up Afellay for a bargain this summer.
Oh well. Tello on loan is still an option then. ;)

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Re: General Transfer Discussion.
« Reply #4009 on: June 7, 2012, 03:03:42 AM »
FSG must ensure the manager has a sizeable kitty to work with this season - by that I mean at least £40M (plus additional player sales) we cannot afford to slip any further behind. I don't want us fannying about with average tat or cast-offs like Dempsey or Defoe. If the owners are serious about getting back to the top then they better start putting their money were their mouth is. No more fucking lip service, we've had enough of that for 5 years now.

agree with the sentiment, but, erm, they kinda already tried that once.

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Re: General Transfer Discussion.
« Reply #4010 on: June 7, 2012, 03:05:17 AM »
Have only seen De Jong linked with Bayern Munich really. And they don't even need him

Didn't De Jong say it would be a dream to play for Bayern? Not that that means anything these days, but if an offer did come in from Bayern I think he'd consider it.

We don't really seem to be linked to any strikers. We've seen some semblance of a link to midfielders - Ramirez, Sigurdsson, Behlanda. But no strikers really.

The biggest problem last season was scoring goals, so we've got to bring someone in who can play there. With Rodgers the targets we had have probably all been re-assessed. But you'd think a large portion of the transfer budget would go on a winger and a striker.
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Re: General Transfer Discussion.
« Reply #4011 on: June 7, 2012, 03:06:06 AM »
No , no.....Its not Affalay.

It's Gomis.

Everybody knows that.
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Re: General Transfer Discussion.
« Reply #4012 on: June 7, 2012, 03:06:40 AM »
Hooper is a wee belter.

Would score goals anywhere.
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Re: General Transfer Discussion.
« Reply #4013 on: June 7, 2012, 03:12:01 AM »
Hooper is a wee belter.

Would score goals anywhere.
did he just kind of slip under the radar when he went to scotland?
I've always looked at his ratios thinking that he's a hell of a player.
Weird that he would go north so easily.

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Re: General Transfer Discussion.
« Reply #4014 on: June 7, 2012, 03:14:58 AM »
FSG must ensure the manager has a sizeable kitty to work with this season - by that I mean at least £40M (plus additional player sales) we cannot afford to slip any further behind. I don't want us fannying about with average tat or cast-offs like Dempsey or Defoe. If the owners are serious about getting back to the top then they better start putting their money were their mouth is. No more fucking lip service, we've had enough of that for 5 years now.

If we sign Sigurdsson we'll have spent £41.5m in the last twelve months on 'attacking' players and be no more threatening in the final third than we were on February 1st 2011.

We could have £100m to spend, we would still find a way to fuck it up.

Oh well. Tello on loan is still an option then. ;)

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Re: General Transfer Discussion.
« Reply #4015 on: June 7, 2012, 03:19:45 AM »
Duncan Jenkins said that he reckoned the Dempsey rumours were bullshit and that our only real target at this moment in time is Sigurdsson.

I'd be shocked if Dempsey came here. No way do I see FSG spending money on a 29 year old. I think the fact that we spent £18 mil or so on a 27 year old who consequently produced 0 goals and 0 assists is going to weight heavily on their decisions. For someone in that age group, forget about value for money, the return has to be substantial.
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« Reply #4016 on: June 7, 2012, 03:34:08 AM »
If we sign Sigurdsson we'll have spent £41.5m in the last twelve months on 'attacking' players and be no more threatening in the final third than we were on February 1st 2011.

We could have £100m to spend, we would still find a way to fuck it up.

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Re: General Transfer Discussion.
« Reply #4017 on: June 7, 2012, 03:40:09 AM »
Rasmus Elm looks like a really really decent player. Him, alongside Lucas would be like trying to get through a brick wall. They'd be fucking snapping at your heels like hungry wolves and intercepting passes like nobody's business. Both can also spray it around or play neat passes.

Not that it would happen under Rodger's system because only one DM would play in that zone. Zone 3 that is.
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« Reply #4018 on: June 7, 2012, 03:42:03 AM »
Rasmus Elm looks like a really really decent player. Him, alongside Lucas would be like trying to get through a brick wall. They'd be fucking snapping at your heels like hungry wolves and intercepting passes like nobody's business. Both can also spray it around or play neat passes.

Not that it would happen under Rodger's system because only one DM would play in that zone. Zone 3 that is.
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« Reply #4019 on: June 7, 2012, 03:45:30 AM »
did he just kind of slip under the radar when he went to scotland?
I've always looked at his ratios thinking that he's a hell of a player.
Weird that he would go north so easily.
Hooper is a wee belter.

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Re: General Transfer Discussion.
« Reply #4020 on: June 7, 2012, 03:52:21 AM »
Rasmus Elm looks like a really really decent player. Him, alongside Lucas would be like trying to get through a brick wall. They'd be fucking snapping at your heels like hungry wolves and intercepting passes like nobody's business. Both can also spray it around or play neat passes.

Not that it would happen under Rodger's system because only one DM would play in that zone. Zone 3 that is.

I don't think Elm is the defensive player you think he is...

I've only seem him a couple times, but he looked fairly soft to me. If he was brought in as potential cover for Lucas we would be awfully thin there.

I would be happy if we brought him in, but only if we also bring in a defensive minded midfielder like Clasie as well. Don't want to get caught like we did last season.

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Re: General Transfer Discussion.
« Reply #4021 on: June 7, 2012, 03:56:35 AM »
Anyone else slightly concerned that all the talk is on central midfielders?  When the rumors should be on all available wingers and strikers in Europe!

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Re: General Transfer Discussion.
« Reply #4022 on: June 7, 2012, 03:58:00 AM »
Let's stop talking about loaning Tello shall we, i.e. it's a silly idea.
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« Reply #4023 on: June 7, 2012, 04:00:44 AM »
Anyone else slightly concerned that all the talk is on central midfielders?  When the rumors should be on all available wingers and strikers in Europe!

Hear hear. If Rodgers only brings in two quality wingers who are consistently threatening to the other side in creating chances and scoring, those additions to the squad would have improved our team by a very significant measure. Of course it can only be hoped that he in addition to that will bring in also a CM who can substitute effectively for Lucas as understudy, a playmaker AM, and a top striker.

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« Reply #4024 on: June 7, 2012, 04:10:36 AM »
Anyone else slightly concerned that all the talk is on central midfielders?  When the rumors should be on all available wingers and strikers in Europe!

I'm sure Rodgers is assessing it. His wingers were Dyer and Sinclair at Swansea. We've got Downing and that's about it. Unless Sterling is going to play a big part next season.
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« Reply #4025 on: June 7, 2012, 04:13:03 AM »
I don't think Elm is the defensive player you think he is...

I've only seem him a couple times, but he looked fairly soft to me. If he was brought in as potential cover for Lucas we would be awfully thin there.

I would be happy if we brought him in, but only if we also bring in a defensive minded midfielder like Clasie as well. Don't want to get caught like we did last season.

The little I've seen of Clasie has been ok. Seems a bit reckless, but that might just be me.
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Re: General Transfer Discussion.
« Reply #4026 on: June 7, 2012, 04:19:51 AM »
Anyone else slightly concerned that all the talk is on central midfielders?  When the rumors should be on all available wingers and strikers in Europe!

This is in no way directed at you mate, just thinking out loud. I'm delighted with the few silly links we're getting as it shows to me the media haven't got 1 iota of who we're after. People were slamming Liverpool for "the mess" we made of looking for a manager. Personally I thought the owners did a fantastic job of keeping all the leaks sealed.

The only reason anyone knew anything we were up to was because of that absolute bellend Whelan, who incidentally did his own manager no favours publically whoring him to us. If I was Martinez I'd be fucking livid.

Rodgers is only in the job a few days and will still be discussing the existing list of targets and he will no doubt want to add to it. They can name all the centre midfielders they want (the media that is) but I know from one or two journo freinds there's fuck all coming from us in terms of what we have to spend and who we want, so the gits amongst the pidgeons are branding us clueless and throwing shit links into the hat.

Once again not directed at you, it's a dig at the papers. Our owners, despite what the papers are saying are doing a very, very good job. Oppinions on whether Rodgers is the right choice remains to be seen.
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Re: General Transfer Discussion.
« Reply #4027 on: June 7, 2012, 04:22:25 AM »
I'd be shocked if Dempsey came here. No way do I see FSG spending money on a 29 year old. I think the fact that we spent £18 mil or so on a 27 year old who consequently produced 0 goals and 0 assists is going to weight heavily on their decisions. For someone in that age group, forget about value for money, the return has to be substantial.

Dempsey's only options (since he is for sure leaving Fulham) are Arsenal and Liverpool. I'd prefer we get him but I see Arsenal being a better choice for him. He would stay in London.
However, he is not someone FSG would turn their back on because:
1.  He would be on reasonable wages, which is important to them.
2. While he is 29 his transfer fee would also be low, maybe 4-5Mil at most. Noone will pay more than that for a player who is not a big name at 29.
3. However, he would have value to us and Arsenal as he is good with the ball, can pass and move and knows how to score and assist in the PL. He is about as proven as anyone in his position.
4. Give him a 4 year deal and he will sell shirts and merchandise in the US for sure. Use him 2 or 3 years and then sell to MLS for a few Mil.
You cannot lose with him. Not a huge investment. Guaranteed goals and assists. Not a high salary. Will not give you drama if he starts maybe 50% of games.

FSG will pay big transfer fees on promising talent under 25. I think one transfer that killed DC was Downing. Imagine if last year we got Dempsey instead for less than 10Mil, half price, and likely lower wages as well. Also with EL 12+ games likely, Cups, 8 games or more and 38PL games we are looking at 55+ games almost for sure. We need a deep squad.
I see Dempsey 70-30% chance between us and Arsenal with them more likely to get him. Our chance lies with the fact that he played for New England Revolution, I think, same area as FSG, might have worked a while with Steve Nichol so he might be persuaded to choose us. I hope he does. Seems to score often. 
Again Arsenal more likely due to London and the fact his dream is to play some in the CL.

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« Reply #4028 on: June 7, 2012, 04:36:43 AM »
Dempsey's only options (since he is for sure leaving Fulham) are Arsenal and Liverpool. I'd prefer we get him but I see Arsenal being a better choice for him. He would stay in London.
However, he is not someone FSG would turn their back on because:
1.  He would be on reasonable wages, which is important to them.
2. While he is 29 his transfer fee would also be low, maybe 4-5Mil at most. Noone will pay more than that for a player who is not a big name at 29.
3. However, he would have value to us and Arsenal as he is good with the ball, can pass and move and knows how to score and assist in the PL. He is about as proven as anyone in his position.
4. Give him a 4 year deal and he will sell shirts and merchandise in the US for sure. Use him 2 or 3 years and then sell to MLS for a few Mil.
You cannot lose with him. Not a huge investment. Guaranteed goals and assists. Not a high salary. Will not give you drama if he starts maybe 50% of games.

FSG will pay big transfer fees on promising talent under 25. I think one transfer that killed DC was Downing. Imagine if last year we got Dempsey instead for less than 10Mil, half price, and likely lower wages as well. Also with EL 12+ games likely, Cups, 8 games or more and 38PL games we are looking at 55+ games almost for sure. We need a deep squad.
I see Dempsey 70-30% chance between us and Arsenal with them more likely to get him. Our chance lies with the fact that he played for New England Revolution, I think, same area as FSG, might have worked a while with Steve Nichol so he might be persuaded to choose us. I hope he does. Seems to score often. 
Again Arsenal more likely due to London and the fact his dream is to play some in the CL.

Surely Fulham wil hold out for more for Dempsey? Anything more than 4M for him is too much - he would be nothing mroe than a short term squad player at his age.

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Re: General Transfer Discussion.
« Reply #4029 on: June 7, 2012, 05:09:45 AM »
I like Dempsey and I've been wrong about him before, but I have this sinking feeling that he just had his best season and may not duplicate a performance like that.
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« Reply #4030 on: June 7, 2012, 05:18:30 AM »
I like Dempsey and I've been wrong about him before, but I have this sinking feeling that he just had his best season and may not duplicate a performance like that.

He's been good for a while, has a few more years in him and not injury prone. Fulam has to sell him if they want to get anything for him. 4-5mil is all he would cost.

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« Reply #4031 on: June 7, 2012, 05:19:58 AM »
Dempsey's only options (since he is for sure leaving Fulham) are Arsenal and Liverpool. I'd prefer we get him but I see Arsenal being a better choice for him. He would stay in London.
However, he is not someone FSG would turn their back on because:
1.  He would be on reasonable wages, which is important to them.
2. While he is 29 his transfer fee would also be low, maybe 4-5Mil at most. Noone will pay more than that for a player who is not a big name at 29.
3. However, he would have value to us and Arsenal as he is good with the ball, can pass and move and knows how to score and assist in the PL. He is about as proven as anyone in his position.
4. Give him a 4 year deal and he will sell shirts and merchandise in the US for sure. Use him 2 or 3 years and then sell to MLS for a few Mil.
You cannot lose with him. Not a huge investment. Guaranteed goals and assists. Not a high salary. Will not give you drama if he starts maybe 50% of games.

However, he is someone FSG would turn their back on because:

1. Damien Comolli thinks he's a good signing.

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« Reply #4032 on: June 7, 2012, 06:35:19 AM »
I don't think Elm is the defensive player you think he is...

I've only seem him a couple times, but he looked fairly soft to me. If he was brought in as potential cover for Lucas we would be awfully thin there.

I would be happy if we brought him in, but only if we also bring in a defensive minded midfielder like Clasie as well. Don't want to get caught like we did last season.

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« Reply #4033 on: June 7, 2012, 06:44:31 AM »
Xavi 5'7, Iniesta 5'7, Mascherano 5'8, While I'm not comparing aibility the point stands you don't need to be that tall especially if you're game is anticipating the challenge and closing of passing lanes and shutting down space. The best tackle you can make is the one you never needed as you positioning was good, Lucas is the epitomy of this. I would have no qualms about having two small centre mids.
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« Reply #4034 on: June 7, 2012, 06:45:26 AM »
Dempsey's only options (since he is for sure leaving Fulham) are Arsenal and Liverpool. I'd prefer we get him but I see Arsenal being a better choice for him. He would stay in London.
However, he is not someone FSG would turn their back on because:
1.  He would be on reasonable wages, which is important to them.
2. While he is 29 his transfer fee would also be low, maybe 4-5Mil at most. Noone will pay more than that for a player who is not a big name at 29.
3. However, he would have value to us and Arsenal as he is good with the ball, can pass and move and knows how to score and assist in the PL. He is about as proven as anyone in his position.
4. Give him a 4 year deal and he will sell shirts and merchandise in the US for sure. Use him 2 or 3 years and then sell to MLS for a few Mil.
You cannot lose with him. Not a huge investment. Guaranteed goals and assists. Not a high salary. Will not give you drama if he starts maybe 50% of games.


Agreed about the merchandise in the US. But again at 29, the return would have to be as good as last season at least. If we want someone to bang in the goals consistently and solve one of our biggest problems of last season we might have to spend a lot more than 4-5 million. It really depends where the bulk of the budget is going to be centered. If we're going to even it out over DM, CF, and a winger, it's possible we end up with average for all 3, and that's the last thing we want.
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« Reply #4035 on: June 7, 2012, 06:49:17 AM »
However, he is someone FSG would turn their back on because:

1. Damien Comolli thinks he's a good signing.

To which my response is "Those kind of idiotic signings are exactly why you're not at a top six club Damien".

So, what's your point. He cannot score or assist in the PL. maybe injury prone. Too high wages? Astronomic transfer fee? Unproven in the PL? Nothing left in the tank (why are we keeping Gerrard in the team)?

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Re: General Transfer Discussion.
« Reply #4036 on: June 7, 2012, 06:55:09 AM »
agree with the sentiment, but, erm, they kinda already tried that once.
And fired every person related to that when it did not work to their satisfaction. So, if they hire a totally new team, its their obligation to indulge them now. Or else, it just seems that since they did not have any money to spend, they hired a manager who would not crib about it.

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Re: General Transfer Discussion.
« Reply #4037 on: June 7, 2012, 07:05:56 AM »
I agree with the idea that we need more goals, but to be honest it doesn't have to be a striker. Get 2-3 midfielders who can get 10-15 goals a season, and give Adam Morgan a chance.

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Re: General Transfer Discussion.
« Reply #4038 on: June 7, 2012, 07:18:04 AM »
Lucas 5’10 and Clasie 5’7. We’d be absolutely monitored off the ball against most teams.

I would take the risk of saying Lucas is the best aerial central midfielder in the league. The timing of his jump and the way he cleanly wins the ball is impeccable. He bossed players like Fellaini in the air last season.
I would prefer a

R.Ferdinand - Terry - A.Ferdinand

Defence.

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Re: General Transfer Discussion.
« Reply #4039 on: June 7, 2012, 07:36:22 AM »
Prem interest in Chad star
Newcastle, Sunderland and Liverpool linked to striker

Sky Sports understands that a number of English clubs are keeping tabs on the progress of Chad international Hassan Hissein.

The 20-year-old striker has emerged as an outstanding talent in African football over the past few seasons and his performances are believed to have attracted attention from Europe.

Newcastle, Sunderland and Liverpool have all been linked with a move for Hissein and his agent, Jonathan Hope, is now awaiting an official offer.

Hope says that his client would relish the opportunity to play in the Premier League and insists securing the necessary permit would not be a problem.

"Whilst out in business in the Congo I have found a player who has caught the attention of Newcastle, Sunderland and Liverpool," Hope said.

"Hassan has already had 186 appearances for the first team and scored a whopping 105 goals.

"I met with the player and after agreeing a representation contract I will be putting the lad to Europe whilst I await an official offer.

"The 20-year-old international is a very special talent and obtaining a permit under special talent associations should be easy.

"He is a full international and he would love the chance to play in England."
I would prefer a

R.Ferdinand - Terry - A.Ferdinand

Defence.