Author Topic: General Transfer Discussion about LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB (Read 535372 times)

higuaintolfc · « **Reply #1520 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:07:38 PM »

Quote from: ghost1359 on May 31, 2012, 02:05:38 PM

I just think it'd be a waste of money. I really don't think he's as good a player as people make out.

Is it the bumchin putting you off?

higuaintolfc · « **Reply #1521 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:08:52 PM »

Quote from: Melbred on May 31, 2012, 02:07:35 PM

We need to be all over this.

I think Afellay is overrated but maybe worth a punt at £6m. He's played less games of football than Tevez this season.

Suspect Package. · « **Reply #1522 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:09:28 PM »

Adam Johnson just isn't that good.

Far better players available.

This feels like a Stewart Downing comment circa 2010.

HighSix · « **Reply #1523 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:09:29 PM »

^ Van Persie has started tapping him up for Arsenal or his next club!

Quote

on Afellay: "You don't often get such a connection maybe with 4-5 players in your entire career. I had the same with Fabregas."

Dont think it can be a set price, a good Euros it will rocket.

Melbred · « **Reply #1524 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:10:13 PM »

Quote from: higuaintolfc on May 31, 2012, 02:08:52 PM

I think Afellay is overrated but maybe worth a punt at £6m. He's played less games of football than Tevez this season.

Due to injuries. He would be a risk, but he's the sort of player we are sorely lacking in our side.

At that price, it's a no brainer.

higuaintolfc · « **Reply #1525 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:10:37 PM »

Quote from: HighSix on May 31, 2012, 02:09:29 PM

^ Van Persie has started tapping him up for Arsenal or his next club!

Dont think it can be a set price, a good Euros it will rocket.

I fear we will be getting Walcott for over £10m and Arsenal will be getting Afellay to replace him for £6m.

PhilV · « **Reply #1526 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:11:21 PM »

I actually think A. Johnson is decent but hey ho.

eirwen · « **Reply #1527 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:12:31 PM »

We should definitely try to get Afellay. Injured for most of the season but still a very good player.

El_Pistolero · « **Reply #1528 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:13:12 PM »

Quote from: PhilV on May 31, 2012, 02:11:21 PM

I actually think A. Johnson is decent but hey ho.

Decent but massively overrated.

HighSix · « **Reply #1529 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:13:57 PM »

Quote from: higuaintolfc on May 31, 2012, 02:10:37 PM

I fear we will be getting Walcott for over £10m and Arsenal will be getting Afellay to replace him for £6m.

Barca are intrested in Walcott so could be one of those 'never happen' swap deals!

I know people will so no way Barca would want Walcott but it goes back to when they played a couple of years back & he really impressed them.

Didi_ram · « **Reply #1530 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:14:02 PM »

Surely Affellay cant be going for 6m.Surely not.We should try.

Quote from: higuaintolfc on May 31, 2012, 02:10:37 PM

I fear we will be getting Walcott for over £10m and Arsenal will be getting Afellay to replace him for £6m.

Dont mind Walcott for 10m.People forget that he is still 23,after 6 years of experience at the highest level. And he deffo is no Downing.As inconsistent as he may be, he wont bottle it at a big club.

Adeemo · « **Reply #1531 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:14:50 PM »

Quote from: El_Pistolero on May 31, 2012, 02:13:12 PM

Decent but massively overrated.

He is at the moment, I do think he would flourish in Rodgers' system though.

karl1987 · « **Reply #1532 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:15:40 PM »

Quote from: Didi_ram on May 31, 2012, 02:14:02 PM

Surely Affellay cant be going for 6m.Surely not.We should try.
Dont mind Walcott for 10m.People forget that he is still 23,after 6 years of experience at the highest level. And he deffo is no Downing.As inconsistent as he may be, he wont bottle it at a big club.

Plus he's a massive Liverpool fan, so putting the shirt on may get a little bit more out of him.

Coolie High · « **Reply #1533 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:15:42 PM »

Quote from: Didi_ram on May 31, 2012, 02:14:02 PM

Surely Affellay cant be going for 6m.Surely not.We should try.
Dont mind Walcott for 10m.People forget that he is still 23,after 6 years of experience at the highest level. And he deffo is no Downing.As inconsistent as he may be, he wont bottle it at a big club.

He bottles it every week at Arsenal, he is simply not good enough and if he came here people would soon realise that like they have about Downing.

higuaintolfc · « **Reply #1534 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:15:43 PM »

Quote from: Didi_ram on May 31, 2012, 02:14:02 PM

Surely Affellay cant be going for 6m.Surely not.We should try.
Dont mind Walcott for 10m.People forget that he is still 23,after 6 years of experience at the highest level. And he deffo is no Downing.As inconsistent as he may be, he wont bottle it at a big club.

Yes but without a proper finisher Walcott will struggle here as would many wingers unless theyre top class like Lavezzi. If we buy a Cavani or something Downing and Walcott would both come good here.

higuaintolfc · « **Reply #1535 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:17:12 PM »

Quote from: Adeemo on May 31, 2012, 02:14:50 PM

He is at the moment, I do think he would flourish in Rodgers' system though.

Rodgers system is all about possession, the opposite of Adam Johnson. He doesn't play for City because he's not good at retaining possession. If he comes here Rodgers will surely have to mould him into a better and smarter player. Same with Walcott.

Coolie High · « **Reply #1536 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:18:26 PM »

Quote from: PhilV on May 31, 2012, 02:11:21 PM

I actually think A. Johnson is decent but hey ho.

He is a very good player, don't see why people wouldn't want him, his record even off he bench for City has been good always seems to make something happen when he comes on. He would be a star for most teams in the league and one thing you can guarantee with him is that he never shies away from taking on players and he is damn good at it as well, he is the type of player we've needed for years.

Coolie High · « **Reply #1537 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:19:01 PM »

Quote from: higuaintolfc on May 31, 2012, 02:17:12 PM

Rodgers system is all about possession, the opposite of Adam Johnson. He doesn't play for City because he's not good at retaining possession. If he comes here Rodgers will surely have to mould him into a better and smarter player. Same with Walcott.

Rodgers system contained Dyer and Sinclair.

higuaintolfc · « **Reply #1538 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:20:47 PM »

Quote from: Coolie High on May 31, 2012, 02:19:01 PM

Rodgers system contained Dyer and Sinclair.

Sinclair is good in possession.

Didi_ram · « **Reply #1539 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:22:40 PM »

Quote from: karl1987 on May 31, 2012, 02:15:40 PM

Plus he's a massive Liverpool fan, so putting the shirt on may get a little bit more out of him.

I'd think so.

Quote from: higuaintolfc on May 31, 2012, 02:15:43 PM

Yes but without a proper finisher Walcott will struggle here as would many wingers unless theyre top class like Lavezzi. If we buy a Cavani or something Downing and Walcott would both come good here.

Maybe,but if Luis/Andy start firing,it could change.

Quote from: Coolie High on May 31, 2012, 02:15:42 PM

He bottles it every week at Arsenal, he is simply not good enough and if he came here people would soon realise that like they have about Downing.

Again mate,he is 23,not 27.If he costs 10m,half of Downing's fee,cant see the problem.And then he has been plying CL for the past 6 years at a top club playing the similar brand of football that Rodgers would use.Downing played at small clubs and bottled it after coming to Liverpool.Downing had 0 goals and 0 assists.Walcott had 8 goals and 11 assists in the PL at a big club.Wouldnt mind that.

higuaintolfc · « **Reply #1540 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:25:47 PM »

Quote from: Didi_ram on May 31, 2012, 02:22:40 PM

I'd think so.
Maybe,but if Luis/Andy start firing,it could change.
Again mate,he is 23,not 27.If he costs 10m,half of Downing's fee,cant see the problem.And then he has been plying CL for the past 6 years at a top club playing the similar brand of football that Rodgers would use.Downing played at small clubs and bottled it after coming to Liverpool.Downing had 0 goals and 0 assists.Walcott had 8 goals and 11 assists in the PL at a big club.Wouldnt mind that.

How many of those Walcott assists were for Van Persie? All of them. What I'm saying is without a finisher he would struggle to get assists, most of his goals come from him playing up front. Downing had Bent (good finisher) at Villa = many assists. Walcott had Van Persie (world class finisher) = many assists. Neither Suarez nor Carroll are reliable finishers, yet.

HighSix · « **Reply #1541 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:26:12 PM »

Walcott is a bit unrealistic why come to us over stay at Arsenal? I can see him leaving for either a big contract or the opportunity to play where he wants as central striker, neither would happen here.

Coolie High · « **Reply #1542 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:26:35 PM »

Quote from: Didi_ram on May 31, 2012, 02:22:40 PM

I'd think so.
Maybe,but if Luis/Andy start firing,it could change.
Again mate,he is 23,not 27.If he costs 10m,half of Downing's fee,cant see the problem.And then he has been plying CL for the past 6 years at a top club playing the similar brand of football that Rodgers would use.Downing played at small clubs and bottled it after coming to Liverpool.Downing had 0 goals and 0 assists.Walcott had 8 goals and 11 assists in the PL at a big club.Wouldnt mind that.

Walcott is not good enough in my opinion, anytime he is faced with a defender with a bit of pace he disappears i mean i can remember Jack Robison keeping him quiet in his first senior start for us. There are far better options than Walcott for that price, we can't be having Downing and Walcott on both wings, there both carbon copies of each other, can't dribble, have zero intelligence yet people keep on banging on about how they would be unplayable if they got it together but they never do, Walcott has been at Arsenal for 6 years yet i haven't seen any real signs of improvement in his all round game.

scatman · « **Reply #1543 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:27:17 PM »

I don't like Adam Johnson, great as an impact sub, does fuck all when he starts and he's consistent in that too.

Didi_ram · « **Reply #1544 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:28:01 PM »

Quote from: higuaintolfc on May 31, 2012, 02:25:47 PM

How many of those Walcott assists were for Van Persie? All of them. What I'm saying is without a finisher he would struggle to get assists, most of his goals come from him playing up front. Downing had Bent (good finisher) at Villa = many assists. Walcott had Van Persie (world class finisher) = many assists. Neither Suarez nor Carroll are reliable finishers, yet.

You're taking Walcott's goals out of the equation there.As for finisher,fine we could get someone/or maybe a quality wide forward who can guarantee many goals.Or maybe Suarez wont miss that many/Carroll may start firing(he already is showing signs). At around the 10m mark,would take Walcott. At 20m,no freaking way.

Shepnois · « **Reply #1545 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:28:01 PM »

Where’s this Walcott talk come from? Strange move if that happened, Arsenal looking to get rid? On his day he's a very dangerous player and can finish with ease. Other times he's erratic and wastes alot of chances. Still young so his consistency may improve it certainly has over the last 2 seasons. He's much better then what we currently have out wide thats for sure.

Name Of The Game · « **Reply #1546 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:28:28 PM »

Quote from: HighSix on May 31, 2012, 01:34:02 PM

I just don't see FSG signing multiple 20+ million players & really we are not in a situation yet to do so. 3 or 4 solid around the 10 million mark would help the squad alot & they are defiantly out there. Be interesting if we make signings early or wait for Rodgers to evaluate the players we have first.

So sign 4 10M players rather than two 20M players? Yeah that makes sense as what we need is more "solid" players who can "help the squad"

Cpt_Reina · « **Reply #1547 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:28:40 PM »

Adam Johnson? No ta.

subroc · « **Reply #1548 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:28:42 PM »

Quote from: PhilV on May 31, 2012, 02:11:21 PM

I actually think A. Johnson is decent but hey ho.

His own manager thinks he is wasting his talent.

subroc · « **Reply #1549 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:29:31 PM »

Quote from: Name Of The Game on May 31, 2012, 02:28:28 PM

So sign 4 10M players rather than two 20M players? Yeah that makes sense as what we need is more "solid" players who can "help the squad"

We need real quality to enhance the team - not more cannon fodder.

higuaintolfc · « **Reply #1550 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:30:20 PM »

The question is would people take:

1. Injury prone Afellay for 6m.
2. Walcott/Adam Johnson for 12m.
3. Lavezzi for 24m.

I'd still take Lavezzi which is worrying about the other 3 considering their prices.

karl1987 · « **Reply #1551 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:31:48 PM »

Quote from: HighSix on May 31, 2012, 02:26:12 PM

Walcott is a bit unrealistic why come to us over stay at Arsenal? I can see him leaving for either a big contract or the opportunity to play where he wants as central striker, neither would happen here.

Liverpool fan + we could offer him bigger wages although I don't know what he currently on.

* Just did a quick search to try and find out and saw reports that he wants 100k a week to stay at Arsenal. At that sort of money he can **** off.

Didi_ram · « **Reply #1552 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:32:03 PM »

Quote from: higuaintolfc on May 31, 2012, 02:30:20 PM

The question is would people take:

1. Injury prone Afellay for 6m.
2. Walcott/Adam Johnson for 12m.
3. Lavezzi for 24m.

I'd still take Lavezzi which is worrying about the other 3 considering their prices.

There is also the question as to which player wants to come here.If Lavezzi does,then that's that.Suarez - Carroll- Lavezzi.Kwalitee. Get a quality midfielder,and a couple of bargains,and top 4 is achievable.

PepsiRebina · « **Reply #1553 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:32:20 PM »

Quote from: higuaintolfc on May 31, 2012, 02:30:20 PM

The question is would people take:

1. Injury prone Afellay for 6m.
2. Walcott/Adam Johnson for 12m.
3. Lavezzi for 24m.

I'd still take Lavezzi which is worrying about the other 3 considering their prices.

Too bad the ones in bold are all unrealistic.

HighSix · « **Reply #1554 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:32:29 PM »

Quote from: Name Of The Game on May 31, 2012, 02:28:28 PM

So sign 4 10M players rather than two 20M players? Yeah that makes sense as what we need is more "solid" players who can "help the squad"

Spreading the risk a bit after spending huge fees on players that have not quite lived up to expectations, just think its the way FSG would prefer to go. You could get the likes of Ba, Vertonghen, Afellay, Hoilett ect all in that price range.

astowell1 · « **Reply #1555 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:33:07 PM »

Affelay AND Johnson. I'd be delighted.

Didi_ram · « **Reply #1556 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:33:31 PM »

Quote from: HighSix on May 31, 2012, 02:32:29 PM

Spreading the risk a bit after spending huge fees on players that have not quite lived up to expectations, just think its the way FSG would prefer to go. You could get the likes of Ba, Vertonghen, Afellay, Hoilett ect all in that price range.

Add Belhanda,Sigurdsson,Moussa Dembele,Moussa Sissoko,Luuk De Jong and quite a few others.

eirwen · « **Reply #1557 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:33:54 PM »

If we have the money and can get Lavezzi, definitely Lavezzi. But I'd be happy with Afellay.

HighSix · « **Reply #1558 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:34:53 PM »

Quote from: karl1987 on May 31, 2012, 02:31:48 PM

Liverpool fan + we could offer him bigger wages although I don't know what he currently on.

* Just did a quick search to try and find out and saw reports that he wants 100k a week to stay at Arsenal. At that sort of money he can **** off.

He is on 60-70k now & wants a raise! I think the 'fan' angle goes out the window when looking to move which is why dont see why people are put off Gylfi being a United fan.

Coolie High · « **Reply #1559 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:35:33 PM »

Lavezzi wouldn't come here.