Author Topic: England vs West Indies: 3 Tests, 3 ODI's and a Twenty20 (Read 6152 times)

nicholasanthony · « **Reply #120 on:** May 22, 2012, 11:15:06 AM »

Quote from: CheshireDave on May 22, 2012, 11:03:37 AM

He realises that he’s not going to be about for too much longer and wants the pressure to be on the young guys at the top as he believes that’s how they’ll improve as players.

It's definitely one way to do it. Personally I think 5 and 6 is where a good young player should start and them move up from there. As an example, I'm pretty sure Ponting started there. Just because you're not thrown in the deep end doesn't mean you're not mentally tough.

brad147690 · « **Reply #121 on:** May 22, 2012, 11:19:03 AM »

Tino Best called up to the WI squad.

Mind the windows Tino!

CheshireDave · « **Reply #122 on:** May 22, 2012, 11:22:16 AM »

Quote from: nicholasanthony on May 22, 2012, 11:15:06 AM

It's definitely one way to do it. Personally I think 5 and 6 is where a good young player should start and them move up from there. As an example, I'm pretty sure Ponting started there. Just because you're not thrown in the deep end doesn't mean you're not mentally tough.

That would be the more traditional way of incorporating the youngsters into a side. I am not saying Chanderpaul is doing the right thing. Just telling you what he said in a recent interview. West Indies want to be careful though and not rock the boat too much because the last thing they want is for him to retire.

It's going to be very tough for the Windies to keep a team together because as soon as anyone gets good and catches the eye the IPL will come a calling and who can blame the players for going for the money?

Yeah - Ponting started at 4 and quickly moved to 3.

StevenLFC · « **Reply #123 on:** May 22, 2012, 11:33:30 AM »

Why would you move Chanderpaul up the order? He's played at 5 in two innings and got scores, and did so on the last tour too

Crosby Nick · « **Reply #124 on:** May 22, 2012, 11:33:53 AM »

Quote from: brad147690 on May 22, 2012, 11:19:03 AM

Tino Best called up to the WI squad.

Mind the windows Tino!

Haha brilliant!

Ponting started at 5 or 6 I thought? Could well be wrong though.

England always used to do things the wrong way round. Bell made his debut at 3 I think, as did several other younger batsmen who couldn't handle it. Trott came in slightly older and seems to have the temperament for it.

nicholasanthony · « **Reply #125 on:** May 22, 2012, 11:34:15 AM »

Quote from: CheshireDave on May 22, 2012, 11:22:16 AM

Yeah - Ponting started at 4 and quickly moved to 3.

You sure? Check his numbers. He's got 33 Tests and 7 tons at #6. Think Bradman started at 7. Greg Chappell 6/7. And Neil Harvey 6 as well. Probably the best batsmen we've ever produced all cut their teeth down the order. It's how I think it should be done. Though I agree, if Chanderpaul doesn't want to then they best keep him happy.

nicholasanthony · « **Reply #126 on:** May 22, 2012, 11:35:49 AM »

Quote from: StevenLFC on May 22, 2012, 11:33:30 AM

Why would you move Chanderpaul up the order? He's played at 5 in two innings and got scores, and did so on the last tour too

Only because I think he can bat anywhere and you'd have a better chance of getting scores out of the younger ones coming in with runs on the board rather than against the new ball trying to lay a platform.

StevenLFC · « **Reply #127 on:** May 22, 2012, 11:48:35 AM »

Quote from: nicholasanthony on May 22, 2012, 11:35:49 AM

Only because I think he can bat anywhere and you'd have a better chance of getting scores out of the younger ones coming in with runs on the board rather than against the new ball trying to lay a platform.

I get that, but maybe Shiv plays better against an older ball?

nicholasanthony · « **Reply #128 on:** May 22, 2012, 11:51:30 AM »

Quote from: StevenLFC on May 22, 2012, 11:48:35 AM

I get that, but maybe Shiv plays better against an older ball?

Probably does. But I think he can make more team-mates better if he was able to help the Windies off to a solid start more often.

CheshireDave · « **Reply #129 on:** May 22, 2012, 12:03:14 PM »

Yeah sorry i got mixed up he did bat at 6 for a bit. Not sure why i though otherwise.

Crosby Nick · « **Reply #130 on:** May 22, 2012, 12:19:19 PM »

Just read an interesting stat. In his last 9 Tests (going back to the start of the India series last summer), Broad has taken 51 wickets at 17 and averaged 33 with the bat. It's a relatively small sample size I know but that's very impressive. I guess it backs up that he reallt is good enough to bat at 8 (at least) so in theory we should play our 3 strongest seamers.

Old No7 · « **Reply #131 on:** May 22, 2012, 12:56:32 PM »

Quote from: Crosby Nick on May 22, 2012, 12:19:19 PM

Just read an interesting stat. In his last 9 Tests (going back to the start of the India series last summer), Broad has taken 51 wickets at 17 and averaged 33 with the bat. It's a relatively small sample size I know but that's very impressive. I guess it backs up that he reallt is good enough to bat at 8 (at least) so in theory we should play our 3 strongest seamers.

A 7,8,9 of Prior, Broad & Swann offers a pretty deep batting line up in my view. I would like to see the best seamers picked regardless of batting ability as we have enough of that already. Love to see Steve Finn get a run in the test side, he seems to have a knack of picking up wickets

CheshireDave · « **Reply #132 on:** May 25, 2012, 10:59:47 AM »

Sun sun sun.

Windies win the toss and bat.

England Unchanged.

Rampaul and Shillingford in for Windies

Red in Korea · « **Reply #133 on:** May 25, 2012, 11:02:38 AM »

Good morning everyone. It's a lovely day here at Trent Bridge. It looks good for batting, but no doubt the ball will swing a bit for the new ball bowlers as well. England make no changes and stick with Bresnan in a 4 man attack. The West Indies recall Rampaul for the injured Gabriel and bring in spinner Shillingford for Fidel Edwards.

And they're off!

CheshireDave · « **Reply #134 on:** May 25, 2012, 11:21:18 AM »

Wicket already.

Bbc

WICKET Barath c Anderson b Broad 0 (WI 9-1)
Boom! A bit of extra lift off the pitch, Barath prods at it and Jimmy takes a brilliant one-handed catch high to his left at third slip.

gerrardisgod · « **Reply #135 on:** May 25, 2012, 11:33:51 AM »

Any streams knocking about for this?

CheshireDave · « **Reply #136 on:** May 25, 2012, 11:34:56 AM »

Bowled him!!!

Jimmy gets Edwards.

SalisburyRed · « **Reply #137 on:** May 25, 2012, 11:39:14 AM »

Kirk Edwards at three is not a pretty sight (unless you're supporting England).

Old No7 · « **Reply #138 on:** May 25, 2012, 11:48:36 AM »

Would have loved to have seen Finn get a go, but then i am firmly on that bandwagon.

Kirk Edwards, not a test match No. 3

CheshireDave · « **Reply #139 on:** May 25, 2012, 12:02:59 PM »

Got him. Bravo gone. Caught in the slips.

3 wickets in the first hour in great batting conditions.

Windies in the shit.

brad147690 · « **Reply #140 on:** May 25, 2012, 12:18:43 PM »

Chanderpaul looks dodgy today.

CheshireDave · « **Reply #141 on:** May 25, 2012, 12:22:29 PM »

Got him. poor footwork

63 /4

Dear oh dear

CheshireDave · « **Reply #142 on:** May 25, 2012, 12:33:04 PM »

Review used and the batsman gets it over turned. Was going over by a good way. Still shit batting

CheshireDave · « **Reply #143 on:** May 25, 2012, 02:53:13 PM »

Got him. Swanny gets Shiv with a beauty lbw after review.

brad147690 · « **Reply #144 on:** May 25, 2012, 03:01:12 PM »

Good old Swann. Get them for under 200 now hopefully.

Crosby Nick · « **Reply #145 on:** May 25, 2012, 03:02:56 PM »

His first Test wicket at Trent Bridge apparently! I know it's generally swing friendly and it doesn't get a Test every year so he may not have played too many there but I was tsill surprised to hear that.

SP · « **Reply #146 on:** May 25, 2012, 03:05:20 PM »

3rd Game. Previous 2 were against India and Pakistan. A total of 17 overs over the 2 games.

Crosby Nick · « **Reply #147 on:** May 25, 2012, 03:07:01 PM »

Quote from: Southern Mathieson Pansy on May 25, 2012, 03:05:20 PM

3rd Game. Previous 2 were against India and Pakistan. A total of 17 overs over the 2 games.

Thank you Benedict.

Old No7 · « **Reply #148 on:** May 25, 2012, 03:12:37 PM »

Poor effort this from the Windies. Great pitch, great conditions & the ball not doing much. I expect England to put something around 400 on the board

Old No7 · « **Reply #149 on:** May 25, 2012, 05:48:14 PM »

Fair play to the Windies. After I bashed them earlier this is a decent fightback

CheshireDave · « **Reply #150 on:** May 25, 2012, 06:12:25 PM »

Ton up for Sammy. Fair play. Gonna be a good test this now.

MrEazi1 · « **Reply #151 on:** May 25, 2012, 06:16:15 PM »

Marlon Samuels with his hundred, he is a wonderful stroke-maker. Run-rate of 4.55 in the final session. Although expected on this pitch, it is a good fightback from the West Indies with the bat.

WI 304-6 | 90 overs | Stumps.

StevenLFC · « **Reply #152 on:** May 25, 2012, 08:05:12 PM »

Looks like a really good batting wicket and England should be happy to have 6 wickets. Honours even I would say

Red in Korea · « **Reply #153 on:** May 26, 2012, 02:31:29 AM »

Quote from: StevenLFC on May 25, 2012, 08:05:12 PM

Looks like a really good batting wicket and England should be happy to have 6 wickets. Honours even I would say

Is true - despite the pre-match build up having us expect Jimmy would have a five-fer before lunch because it's Trent Bridge. Looking like its going to be another intriguing test.

Quote from: CheshireDave on May 25, 2012, 06:12:25 PM

Ton up for Sammy. Fair play. Gonna be a good test this now.

You're simply ahead of your time

brad147690 · « **Reply #154 on:** May 26, 2012, 11:22:52 AM »

What a lucky way to get to 100. He is there none the less though.

Rob17 · « **Reply #155 on:** May 26, 2012, 02:06:16 PM »

should be 2 down this morning, sickening for the Windies but bowling so many no-balls is unforgiveable really.

Old No7 · « **Reply #156 on:** May 26, 2012, 06:10:16 PM »

Strauss & KP have batted superbly. Set up nicely for England to bat long into tomorrow ant get a 200 run lead. Can Strauss make for than 6 the following morning though?

brad147690 · « **Reply #157 on:** May 26, 2012, 06:30:29 PM »

West Indies lack wickets in their bowling attack. Will often let them down.

Welshred · « **Reply #158 on:** May 26, 2012, 06:52:18 PM »

Wonder if Strauss will score more than 7 tomorrow morning...

voodoo ray · « **Reply #159 on:** May 27, 2012, 10:38:04 AM »

Quote from: Welshred on May 26, 2012, 06:52:18 PM

Wonder if Strauss will score more than 7 tomorrow morning...

He'll get 8, celebrate, and then get out.