I am not a fan of german football, the way they play is too much organised for my liking, but there is always something to learn from as they analyse the game itself in such a detailed way compared to english football. And I am not so sure if this approach would work in England though as the pace is much higher in England anyway. Dortmund came out special in Germany cause the other teams simply donīt play that high pace football.
Steve - I cant really speak about the actual football - I see a few teams in europe and the occasional bits of games elsewhere but the structure surely that is someting to be admired
- biggest crowds, fans ownership, not in the pockets of the TV ?
Something i've wondered for a number of years now, in any discussion of how we should play people always bring up historic barca and ajax sides, great successful sides with a distinct playstyle but none of our own fans ever suggest our own great teams of the past as a base for a great playstyle. Why is this ?
It is curious and I'm wondering whether its because we were more adaptable than those sides - we did have an ability to mix up our play making it less easy for the purists to identify and categorise - Keegan and Toshack were a different set up to Rush and Dalglish to Barnes, Aldo and Beardsley -sure there was commonality - we had ideas but we also had the intelligence not to be too precious in our style - it was a more eclectic 'style' and thats also possibly were the struggle comes from today. The Milan side was drilled and rilled and drilled again, if teh ball is in X, then you are at Y. The Ajax side had a freedom of expression but almost a complusion to play a certian way (much as Barca now). I think Liverpool sides have been more pragmatic especially when it comes to domestic and european football for example switching from bludgeoning sides at Anfield to one up front cat and mouse in europe.
There are two ways to look at it though - one would be, shit the players are just being sent out with no plan , the other they are being taught to think and come up with their own
plans. Much as I detested our performance second half againt City at their place in the league cup - we had to have been drilled in that defensive display, we've played better in other games against the top 6 especially at Anfield I dont think thats just chance - we've looked organised for the most part, if anything we've lacked ambition.
Dalglish's style of communicating can make it seem like he's a hands off manager - just let the lads get on with it - it may be true, Clarke may be organising us defensively and the attacking play just left to its own devices - or it could be like tying your kids shoes everyday or teaching them to tie their own - Dalglish has always trusted his players - sometimes it doesn't work and they let him down, sometimes it works magnificently. Maybe Carrolls just learned to tie his shoes properly.
The main problem for me with Kenny is not the style of play its the mental side and why we've failed to turn up in some games and why we look so fragile in others. Whatver plan you are supposed to be implementing if your head is not right its not going to work. Now this could be a result of the players own confusion, it could be the result of players convincing themselves they had nothing to play for it could be something else entirely but in each case its down to kenny to fix it.
If one of our strengths is to be variety, teams not knowing how we will come at them then its also going to be more difficult for us to spot.
I am puzzled by people who are sayingt hat we should not play like Barcelona etc etc
So IMHO we need to get back to our traditions and play pass and move. We do not have to play tiki taka a la Barcelona but we can play our own brand of pass and move. The more direct option is still available to us but we need to play our default mode as pass and move.
I find most of this entirely too negative and too black and white. The discussion has ranged from the differences in leagues, to those of the players, from where we are currently as a club to where we want to be.
If we are going to play 'pass and move' and we will - what form will it take - even Arsenal looked better when they had the option to play the ball to Adebayor in the air, they are a step up in quality from Swansea, capable of beating Barca playing football and yet they haven't won anything in 6 years despite this season having the most prolific striker in the league - and btw being completely outplayed by Liverpool at Anfield - if even the myopic Wenger says so then thats good enough for me and should be for you too - the main accusation labelled at Arsenal no plan B. We've ruled out just trying to play even faster than Barca making it 'tik tak' because it wont work. So exactly what will and why?