Author Topic: Is it that bad a season? A Rafa-free topic. (Read 36898 times)

oddball · « **on:** May 5, 2012, 02:08:59 AM »

Apologies mods if there is another similar thread. Had a quick search, and I mean quick but didnt see anythng. I generally stay away form the main topic board as its choc full of tossers. Anyway, several beers to the wind and appreciating the red line underneath words!

How many cups did we enter at the start of the season? 3 wasnt it? The League, The FA Cup and The League Cup. We have won one, and this time tomorrow it could be 2, but lets say for arguments sake its just the 1.

How many teams can win the league? 1
How many teams can win the FA Cup? 1
How many Teams can win the League Cup? 1

So we currently have 1 out of three. Man City or Utd will have NONE out of 3 etc.....

My point is this. Yes we may be well off the pace in the league, Kenny will know this. The owners will know this. Im sick of the negativity around the club. i know its a hard rebuilding process, but look at this. One of the Manchester clubs will win FUCK ALL this season. Arsenal and Spurs will win FUCk ALL this season. Yes they maybe in the Champions League, but when they are writing out the records books and giving out the medals, what do you get a mention for? The League Cup or 3rd in the Premiership? The FA Cup or 2nd in the Premiership and so on.

I LOVE this club and I support the manager and staff and the boys fully. Win or lose in tomorrow (or a few hours away I should say) and this has been a good season. We will have won at least 1 of the 3 cups we entered. Onwards and upwards.

COME ON YOU REDMEN

AJL · « **Reply #1 on:** May 5, 2012, 02:11:30 AM »

Camarero25 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 5, 2012, 02:12:45 AM »

Let's be honest. Eighth in the league is fucken appaling. When was the last time we finished 8th FFS.

Having said that, you can't tirn your nose up at a cup double.

oddball · « **Reply #3 on:** May 5, 2012, 02:13:41 AM »

Quote from: Camarero25 on May 5, 2012, 02:12:45 AM

Let's be honest. Eighth in the league is fucken appaling. When was the last time we finished 8th FFS.

Having said that, you can't tirn your nose up at a cup double.

A MINIMUM of one cup from 3.....! Half full my man, half full.

Camarero25 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 5, 2012, 02:16:16 AM »

Quote from: oddball2514 on May 5, 2012, 02:13:41 AM

A MINIMUM of one cup from 3.....! Half full my man, half full.

1 from three's good. Two from three? Boss as fuck.

We gotta improve the league tho mate. We gotta. That's bread and butter.

Ricardo C · « **Reply #5 on:** May 5, 2012, 02:16:26 AM »

It is...

Liverpool is the best and most prestigious club in England. It has more titles than any other club could dream of. One season without a Premier League battle to the end or European final is already a failure. FA Cup won't save that, and I think I don't need to say anything about the League Cup.

chrissimpson81 · « **Reply #6 on:** May 5, 2012, 02:16:35 AM »

LETS GO AND FUCKIN WIN IT!

Cid · « **Reply #7 on:** May 5, 2012, 02:17:51 AM »

It's been an atrocious season for a number of reasons, football related and club related. Winning tomorrow would allow us to excuse the complete collapse in the league but it'll still be revisionism. I'd actually say that nobody involved with the club has done a good job..not the players, not the manager, not the owners, the scouts and even the fans have hit some new lows at times.

The only way is up (hopefully)..but we need to make better decisions starting this summer. We can't have a repeat of January where all involved in the club apparently sat on their asses..we need to invest and improve.

oddball · « **Reply #8 on:** May 5, 2012, 02:18:44 AM »

Quote from: Camarero25 on May 5, 2012, 02:16:16 AM

1 from three's good. Two from three? Boss as fuck.

We gotta improve the league tho mate. We gotta. That's bread and butter.

It may be bread ad butter, but unless we actually win it, it conceivably means fuck all bar the money and or the Champ League / Money.

Look at the record books for next season...tell me what you see in the 2010-11 season for Utd/City and Arsenal and Spurs...what shiny medals do those players show the kids, grandkids?!

oddball · « **Reply #9 on:** May 5, 2012, 02:19:36 AM »

Quote from: Ricardo C on May 5, 2012, 02:16:26 AM

It is...

Liverpool is the best and most prestigious club in England. It has more titles than any other club could dream of. One season without a Premier League battle to the end or European final is already a failure. FA Cup won't save that, and I think I don't need to say anything about the League Cup.

Quote from: Cid on May 5, 2012, 02:17:51 AM

It's been an atrocious season for a number of reasons, football related and club related. Winning tomorrow would allow us to excuse the complete collapse in the league but it'll still be revisionism. I'd actually say that nobody involved with the club has done a good job..not the players, not the manager, not the owners, the scouts and even the fans have hit some new lows at times.

The only way is up (hopefully)..but we need to make better decisions starting this summer. We can't have a repeat of January where all involved in the club apparently sat on their asses..we need to invest and improve.

And here are reasons I dont frequent the main board.

Night

RideTheWalrus · « **Reply #10 on:** May 5, 2012, 02:22:11 AM »

I'll judge whether it's a good or bad season at the end of the season.

AJL · « **Reply #11 on:** May 5, 2012, 02:23:16 AM »

Fuck sake, lock this at least until Sunday morning, before we start killing each other.

Positivety people.

AisoD · « **Reply #12 on:** May 5, 2012, 02:25:55 AM »

Two trophies in one season is an incredible achievement. It's what football is about.

I may be paranoid but this season there seems to be a strong agenda to minimise the appeal of the domestic competitions by the media. Fair enough with the CC but the FA Cup? can't help think that should Chelsea win the FA Cup it suddenly will become a trophy worth winning again.

People don't want to see Liverpool succeed after what happened with the Suarez incident. It's turned the media and other fans unpleasantly bitter and us winning two trophies will feel like a slap on the face to them. Hence, the media overdrive to downplay the trophies. My theory anyway *shrugs*

BRdispatch05 · « **Reply #13 on:** May 5, 2012, 02:34:52 AM »

This season has had a rollercoaster of ups and downs, but overall I've enjoyed it. Before this season started, I said I thought it would take a year or two for us to compete for Champions League position again with the squad over-hall and adjustments. So if you asked me at the beginning of the season that if I was correct, but we ended with a trophy would I consider it a successful season?

Absolutely

. We have that, and tomorrow we're in the FA cup final competing for a second.

alvaro · « **Reply #14 on:** May 5, 2012, 02:36:00 AM »

Lets be honest, tommorrow makes or breaks our season.

idontknow · « **Reply #15 on:** May 5, 2012, 02:45:52 AM »

Quote from: oddball2514 on May 5, 2012, 02:13:41 AM

A MINIMUM of one cup from 3.....! Half full my man, half full.

Liverpool Football Club - we collect silverware from behind enemy lines. We do it very well, and we do it repeatedly. We are good at it, we enjoy it.
We've won a cup while apparently having our worst season ever. That's not a bad trick to pull. We could win another cup later today. I'm certain we will, because doubt and Liverpool do not go together.

Capon Debaser · « **Reply #16 on:** May 5, 2012, 02:57:13 AM »

They say ''The table doesn't lie''
YE CAN FUCK OFF WITH THAT FUCKING BOLLOCKS!!

We've absolutely twatted teams at times this season,FUCKING TWATTED EM!!.And yet we ended up with a draw or defeat,especially at home

Norwich at home couldve been about 10 fucking nil at half time!!

Can count on one hand the really bad performances...Spurs away,Bolton n sunderland.Probably a couple more,but..

See posts on here about its the worst side theyve ever seen(even under Souness)

Fuck off

J-Mc- · « **Reply #17 on:** May 5, 2012, 02:57:26 AM »

Oddball in posting sentimental bullshit shocker!

Bangin Them In · « **Reply #18 on:** May 5, 2012, 02:58:54 AM »

Give Arsenal/Newcastle/Spuds fans where we are right now and they bite your hand off

We've finished 4th before and besides financially it's fuck all, and can you do this with 4th ?

Mello · « **Reply #19 on:** May 5, 2012, 02:58:58 AM »

Yes it has been a bad season by this club's standards. There's a good chance we'll finish worse in the league since the club was last promted to the 1st division. This isn't the weekend to think about that though.

gazzathered · « **Reply #20 on:** May 5, 2012, 03:01:32 AM »

Not that bad no, played a lot of teams of the park but just ain't put our chances away.
Massive decisions on who we add in summer.
Great these cup runs but need to add champions league for revenue/attracting players.

eirwen · « **Reply #21 on:** May 5, 2012, 03:04:24 AM »

Quote from: alvaro on May 5, 2012, 02:36:00 AM

Lets be honest, tommorrow makes or breaks our season.

Not really.

tamadic · « **Reply #22 on:** May 5, 2012, 03:05:03 AM »

Quote from: oddball2514 on May 5, 2012, 02:19:36 AM

And here are reasons I dont frequent the main board.

Night

Some may be too negative and unrealistic, however, we always have a high expectation as a LIVERPOOL fans.
And that high expectation was started from the middle of last season. Remember how we performed with a lesser team?
Carroll hadn't featured yet, and Gerrard was out for injury? And we still played well.

Then, after the past summer, with the heavy investment, everyone thought we should improve more.
However, once the result doesn't match the expectation, the season of course defined as bad.

Personally, I would say the season is bad regardless of the result tomorrow because I care of players development. So far, other than gaining experience, I don't see any of our major signings has been having any major development, it is quite disappointing and that's why I call the season bad, but, not worse, just bad.
Plus, we are no Chelsea or ManC, we don't have money to burn. For them, as long as their current owners are still in charge, they have hope. They have hope to fancy playing FM every transfer windows to improve their teams more, they will forget if the season is bad or not, they will find the next season as a fresh new start. They don't have a heavy glory burden as us either.

The only highlight is, we are playing Spearing and Kelly more. Hope they can contribute more next season.

anfieldanfield · « **Reply #23 on:** May 5, 2012, 03:07:43 AM »

Quote from: alvaro on May 5, 2012, 02:36:00 AM

Lets be honest, tommorrow makes or breaks our season.

Yep.

Alf · « **Reply #24 on:** May 5, 2012, 03:27:18 AM »

We've won more trophies than anyone else this season that's worth remembering.

red44 · « **Reply #25 on:** May 5, 2012, 03:28:42 AM »

I think our season was mainly broken by two things:

Evra's lies & Lucas' injury

Just my opinion....

aurelian · « **Reply #26 on:** May 5, 2012, 04:12:43 AM »

It's been a great season for the club (moving forward) but not a great season for the team on the pitch (moving backwards). Love the fact that we have another trophy to add to our history, but the fact is that trophies are not just objects, they represent something---that you are the best. Birmingham won the league cup last year and got relegated. No one was arguing "oh, well actually they are a fantastic team, just poor luck to be relegated..." No. Of course we are a better team than last year's Birmingham, but the most accurate assessment of our on the pitch quality is the league. If Cardiff had beaten us in the Carling, would anyone have argued that they are actually a better team than us? of course not, they would have just scraped out the victory.

And the reverse works as well. Over the course of more than 30 games, how do you stack up? After those 30 games, the luck of a penalty shootout etc etc gets evened out. We are not better than the teams above us, period (bitters excepted). And I don't want us to be like the Chelsea, beating Barca by parking the bus and fucking scraping out victories. I want us to dominate and play our style and go out to win, like we did in 2009. Now we are just riding our luck, happy to beat Cardiff on penalties and say that means it's a good season. Well I don't think our having a good or bad season should rest on a few penalty shoot-outs. A lot of people are saying "well, we won a cup, so it's not a bad season." Are you saying that if we had not won the cup, based on a couple of penalty kicks, then we could legitimately call it a bad season? see how absurd that is, to say it is good or bad on such fine margins. It's not been a good season. Twatting the Chelsea tomorrow will make it better. But we're just not good enough right now.

Onwards and upwards.

Heno · « **Reply #27 on:** May 5, 2012, 04:37:34 AM »

Quote from: oddball2514 on May 5, 2012, 02:13:41 AM

A MINIMUM of one cup from 3.....! Half full my man, half full.

Loving the positive vibes Oddball, loving it.

shook · « **Reply #28 on:** May 5, 2012, 04:48:34 AM »

Whether its good or bad, we can say its already progress from last year

H&G + Purslow + Hodgson + Relegation ---------> FSG + Dalglish + Out of relegation -----------> Carling Cup and Qualifying for the Europa League

Lee1970 · « **Reply #29 on:** May 5, 2012, 05:10:05 AM »

Quote from: red44 on May 5, 2012, 03:28:42 AM

I think our season was mainly broken by two things:

Evra's lies & Lucas' injury

Just my opinion....

I agree, Lucas' injury was a real blow. Evra's lies and the subsequent scrutiny the club came under was a fuckin disaster, the Oldham lad crying, monkey man and the whole 'you know what you are' shit really affected the club in my opinion, i'm still fuming about that snidy little shithouse Evra!

PIPA23 · « **Reply #30 on:** May 5, 2012, 05:22:52 AM »

let´s start this discussion tomorow i think...

mtpeters · « **Reply #31 on:** May 5, 2012, 05:24:10 AM »

We will have to strengthen in certain areas this summer, no doubt. However, with the possibility of a domestic cup double and at least Europa qualification, then in short, yes...this season is much better than last season. We do not have the team chemistry that we used to have either. Losing Lucas to a season ending injury was the straw that broke the camel's back for us this year. You might say the camel's back had already taken a huge beating from the whole Suarez incident. Those that stick around will only improve and learn to play together better. Many people on here seem to want to write off certain players on the squad, but it isn't that the individual skill is lacking. The team chemistry will happen if these players are given enough time.

All we have to do this summer is add a few sparks...and we'll start a fucking fire

reddybear · « **Reply #32 on:** May 5, 2012, 06:53:52 AM »

Birmingham got 1 out of 3 last season. i suppose that means they had a better season than us then. what nonsense. but if it makes you feel better before going to sleep tipsy who am i to shit on your dinner?

BRdispatch05 · « **Reply #33 on:** May 5, 2012, 07:01:27 AM »

Quote from: reddybear on May 5, 2012, 06:53:52 AM

Birmingham got 1 out of 3 last season. i suppose that means they had a better season than us then. what nonsense. but if it makes you feel better before going to sleep tipsy who am i to shit on your dinner?

Cup wise yes, but Liverpool aren't fighting relegation.....Negative Nancy

-Q- · « **Reply #34 on:** May 5, 2012, 07:08:48 AM »

Quote from: Ricardo C on May 5, 2012, 02:16:26 AM

It is...

Liverpool is the best and most prestigious club in England. It has more titles than any other club could dream of. One season without a Premier League battle to the end or European final is already a failure. FA Cup won't save that, and I think I don't need to say anything about the League Cup.

Winning medals = winning mentality of the team, something we are deeply lacking. I don't think it was the plan to focus on winning cups, but I am glad KK took this seriously. It is not the cups that caused our poor league run; there are many factors that have been discussed and some that most fans don't even think off and I am sure those are all analysed and being addressed by the club. One thing is certain - our players will start the next season with hunger for more trophies, an experience that most of our players never had before winning that cup you dismiss. The attitude that we are above domestic cups is pathetic.

Melbred · « **Reply #35 on:** May 5, 2012, 07:42:53 AM »

Quote from: -Q- on May 5, 2012, 07:08:48 AM

Winning medals = winning mentality of the team, something we are deeply lacking. I don't think it was the plan to focus on winning cups, but I am glad KK took this seriously. It is not the cups that caused our poor league run; there are many factors that have been discussed and some that most fans don't even think off and I am sure those are all analysed and being addressed by the club. One thing is certain - our players will start the next season with hunger for more trophies, an experience that most of our players never had before winning that cup you dismiss. The attitude that we are above domestic cups is pathetic.

Didn't really get the team on a roll after they won the Carling Cup though did they? We probably played some of our worst football in the second half of the season. So if winning Cups =equals a winning mentality, where has that gone then? We won the Carling Cup and in most games in the league, many of the players look half arsed out there. There's no guarantee that next season will be different.

Certain players in our squad just have a shocking mentality and attitude, and only get themselves up for the "big games".

Mauritian · « **Reply #36 on:** May 5, 2012, 07:46:20 AM »

What is better? Finishing 5th and have no cups at all? or finishing 8th with 2 Cups in the bag? I believe Kenny would love to inculcate the winning mentality in his players by first winning the carling cup an then the FA cup.

This season we have seen many players coming in. Suarez ban for eight matches; Lucas when about to turn one of the best midfield in the league got injured; Gerrard in and out and out of form the beginning of the season; Carragher getting slower; Agger in and out; Glen Johnson injury;Enrique playing most matches due to lack of cover and ultimately some lack of form; Carroll lack of form during most of the season, but I believe he will turn one of the best in the league; Downing not performing on the left of midfield; Henderson is being played out of position; Adam Injury. There are lots and lots.

I believe Kenny have seen all this. He will bring changes surely. He has won leagues with not only Liverpool, but also Blackburn. He has the knowledge. I believe he merits more respect from the fans for what he has achieved and he is achieving in his first full season with the club. TWO CUPS out of a possible three would not be a bad season for me. It is a good season, not great because we have not been in the Champions league.

arnaldo · « **Reply #37 on:** May 5, 2012, 07:58:53 AM »

An atrocious season which could be brightened up immensely today. It would only paper over major cracks though

TomDcs · « **Reply #38 on:** May 5, 2012, 08:03:20 AM »

I seriously won't care about the league position if we lift that cup today. It's obviously not been great but in all honesty we knew it wasn't ever going to be given the number of new signings we've had to try and bed in. It's obviously not going to be good enough if it happens next season, but delivering 1 and possibly 2 cups is a good way of getting some players used to winning.

vblfc · « **Reply #39 on:** May 5, 2012, 08:07:23 AM »

Plenty of people seem to have been willing to swap 4th for the cups - I think we should enjoy this day and make the most of our success. 2 cups is good for me. Related to this - imagine a scenario where we focused only on the league and got 4th spot - and then Chelsea somehow managed to win the CL (and 4th would not qualify for next CL).
It can be top 3 is needed this year, so maybe good to look at it this way & be realistic.

Need to count our blessings today. Big cup year for us.