Topic: Ferdinand/Terry Handshake Cancelled

[El Denzel Pepito]

Not even bothered anymore, to be quite honest. Double standards at its best.

[GBF]

it is not double standard.  We agreed to go ahead with the handshake - Kenny said it when he was asked why Luis didnt shake Evrathecunt's hand.  Chelsea is protecting their player - we didnt (as usual).  No need to be angry at their decision.  Handshake before the game is a farce anyway.

[redhokie8]

The whole thing is a farce. The irony is that FA/media is trying to kick out racism, yet when one of their own gets accussed of it, it's swept under the rug. They're being racist by condemning luis before the trial even happened and canonizing terry.

[Andy @ Allerton]

it is not double standard.  We agreed to go ahead with the handshake - Kenny said it when he was asked why Luis didnt shake Evrathecunt's hand.  Chelsea is protecting their player - we didnt (as usual).  No need to be angry at their decision.  Handshake before the game is a farce anyway.

It is double standards. The media, the FA and all it's assorted cronies steamed out of the wood work to put pressure on the club and the manager and the players and Suarez with their rent-a-quotes throughout the whole thing. If LFC had said no one is shaking hands then the uproar would have gone off the scale.

Witness the lack of comment over this from all those gobbing off over the Suarez/Evra affair.

[Rococo]

They're hiding behind the court case. No reason they couldn't take action. Disciplinary action has a different standard of proof from criminal cases.

Sorry if this is reopening a can of worms or been asked elsewhere.

If someone is found not guilty in a criminal case, would it be more difficult for the FA to disciplinary action (given the lower standard of proof)?

Oh and the handshake decision isn't a surprise but is thoroughly depressing.

[stevedo]

Isn't this more down to legal implications more than to save JT from humiliation?

How does the QPR team telling Terry to gettafook when offering his hand impinge on a court case. How?

[stevedo]

Sorry if this is reopening a can of worms or been asked elsewhere.

If someone is found not guilty in a criminal case, would it be more difficult for the FA to disciplinary action (given the lower standard of proof)?

Oh and the handshake decision isn't a surprise but is thoroughly depressing.

No. Criminal case is a higher standard, so if he is found guilty in court, the FA have no wriggle room and have to find him guilty and give him a big ban.
If he's found not guilty in the court case, he could still have exceeded the FAs lesser threshold and be found guilty. Of course we know how the media will equate not guilty in court = no Fa charge to face.

[ArcticRed]

Actually, by my (albeit possibly flawed) logic, the fact that this has been taken to court would put it so far beyond the "balance of probabilities" that a ban should be a given, whatever the outcome of the courtcase. Sadly, we all know the probability of that happening

[Rococo]

No. Criminal case is a higher standard, so if he is found guilty in court, the FA have no wriggle room and have to find him guilty and give him a big ban.
If he's found not guilty in the court case, he could still have exceeded the FAs lesser threshold and be found guilty. Of course we know how the media will equate not guilty in court = no Fa charge to face.

Cheers, the bold bit was my concern

[No666]

You're missing the point. In this case, QPR wanted the handshake cancelled. (Chelsea's thoughts are immaterial.) In our case, had Dalglish asked for the handshake to be cancelled we would have placed ourselves in the worst possible light. It was clearly the hope of the LFC hierarchy that a handshake would draw a line under the whole episode and stem the bad publicity; Evra and Suarez's subsequent actions scuppered that.

[Mirra]

Sorry if this is reopening a can of worms or been asked elsewhere.

If someone is found not guilty in a criminal case, would it be more difficult for the FA to disciplinary action (given the lower standard of proof)?

Oh and the handshake decision isn't a surprise but is thoroughly depressing.

They did with the Bowyer & Woodgate thing though didnt they? I know Bowyer got fined or whatever by someone even though he was found not guilty? Could be wrong though.

Terry will get away with it, he always does. Im just made up hes out of the CL Final, the horrible prick. Hope it haunts him forever.

Its there, clear as day on video him calling Ferdinand what he did, the picture is worth a thousand words of his face twisted up full of venom when he said it as well. If he doesnt get done for it, and done properly for it, then that really is the day I give up on football I think!

[ActiveSloth]

For legal reasons I can see why this has been cancelled. I think the FA have done the whole case a favour in stopping the hand shake and maybe we will now see a fair trail without Terry getting away with it easily.

[Cochise]

I am shocked.....that people on here are surprised.

[Suareznumber7]

FA are a bunch of self-serving c*nts.

[4pool]

The thing we never should have went along with was the switch to where the away team leads the handshakes. It was always the home team and we should have put our foot down. The story was the Ref changed the procedure. Gerrard as Captain should have said no. But he probably never gave it a second thought. If Kenny was told in the changing room, he should have said no. But this is all easy to second guess as "we" just wanted to get it behind us.

[shelovesyou]

As others have said, his lawyers would have told him that months ago. It's a convenient excuse to cover up that, apparently, not one QPR player was going to shake Terry's hand.

Have you got a link for that as I honestly don't remember that being the case ?

I havent to be honest mate, thinking about it I may have it mixed up with the fact that the Ref asked for the handshake to change from the norm, meaning we walked towards them, and we did not oppose it.
As for protection of Terry ?
I can appreciate what everyone is saying and as its the PL and FA, its hard not to be sceptical, but for me its a nonsense that.
There are legitmate reasons for it, Ferdinand doesnt want to shake his hand, they have learnt from the Evra debacle, and they are trying to protect the impending Legal case, and in doing so not prejudicing it in anyway for the sake of BOTH players, not just one.

[Lee1970]

This is bullshit!

The FA/ref even swapped around the handshake routine between Evra/Suarez so that Suarez HAD to walk down the United line and shake Evra's hand, rather than the usual routine where the home team are the one's who walk down the line...

Why the fuck did they do that?

[filopastry]

Not sure I really see the controversy here to be honest, altough I seem to be in a small minority on that one!

Firstly when we played United both teams agreed that handshakes would take place, we even came out and said we were fine with it, I'm not aware that we were forced into doing it.

Secondly in this case its been called off at the request of the alleged victim in the case, not and nobody has been found guilty of anything as of yet, from a PR point of view it would have obviously been a lot tougher for us to say we don't want to shake hands given we had the player who was already seen as being guilty in the eyes of the public in the light of te FA ruling.

We could have asked to waive the handshake if we'd wanted to I'm sure, we just wouldn't have come out of it looking too good, not that we did from what actually happened anyway.

[steveeastend]

FA are a bunch of self-serving c*nts.

[Strictlydown19]

I suppose the debate, such as it is, surrounding this issue has grown tiresome. For God's sake, you only have to look at Terry (and his clan) to gauge the 'cut of their cloth', as they say here in Belfast. (?) Imagine him with SA80 in hand, chasing down Tommy Taliban in Helmand Province?  Er-difficult to do? Nay, impossible! And he isn't the only Premier League neanderthal  who'd be as much use as an ashtray on a motor bike in circumstances where real courage is required. John Terry-captain, leader, legend-only in his febrile little mind. Until cheating and unsavoury behaviour is eradicated from the game, it'll alway be a yob's theatre. May your god go with you:)

[Helsinki Red]

You can't make this shit up

Mark Hughes claimed the Premier League wanted the QPR team to form a guard of honour and clap the Chelsea team onto the pitch at Stamford Bridge on Sunday.

He said they were looking for alternatives to the potentially controversial pre-match handshake that would usually have taken place.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2136344/Mark-Hughes-Premier-League-wanted-Chelsea-clapped-pitch.html#ixzz1tJUoPINr

[kates bush]

What does that say about the people who are in charge of this Premier League? Is this their main ideas man, you clap this team onto your own pitch, Jesus H. Christ, football is fucked if this shit is true.

[shelovesyou]

You can't make this shit up

Mark Hughes claimed the Premier League wanted the QPR team to form a guard of honour and clap the Chelsea team onto the pitch at Stamford Bridge on Sunday.

He said they were looking for alternatives to the potentially controversial pre-match handshake that would usually have taken place.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2136344/Mark-Hughes-Premier-League-wanted-Chelsea-clapped-pitch.html#ixzz1tJUoPINr

Speechless.

[bigbear]

No. Criminal case is a higher standard, so if he is found guilty in court, the FA have no wriggle room and have to find him guilty and give him a big ban.
If he's found not guilty in the court case, he could still have exceeded the FAs lesser threshold and be found guilty. Of course we know how the media will equate not guilty in court = no Fa charge to face.

I was speaking to someone who deals with the FA in a legal and disciplinary capacity quite recently. He was adammant that the FA would call Terry to account whether he was found guilty or not guilty based on the different levels of culpability between criminal guilt and civil guilt.

I told him I thought he was naive. Let's see who was right.

[Il Capitano]

The people that run this game in this country haven't got the first fucking clue about football. Not a fucking clue.

[NOTBORNIN1982]

Anton Ferdinand unfazed by facing John Terry in Chelsea-QPR game

Anton Ferdinand says he will not let any off-field factors affect his performance when his QPR side meet Chelsea on Sunday.

Ferdinand is set to line up against John Terry, who will stand trial in July accused of racially abusing him.

"There is a big rivalry between the two clubs but, with everything that has happened, I know some fans will target me," he told the Evening Standard.

"All I can say is that it won't upset my game."

The Premier League has cancelled the customary pre-match handshakes because of the legal case involving Chelsea captain Terry.

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Di Matteo 'respects' handshake decision
Ferdinand, 27, added: "My team-mates have said nothing to me about it because we are just treating it as a normal game.

"It is not about me or the current situation, it is about QPR and staying in the division."

Rangers boss Mark Hughes is glad the Premier League acted over the handshakes, therefore preventing the game attracting attention for the wrong reasons.

"The decision was made last night [Thursday] and it takes all the build-up before the game out of the equation," said Hughes. "I think that is what we were conscious of before the FA Cup game [in January].

"From our point of view we have just been focusing on preparing for a very important game and the wind has been taken out of people's sails regarding the handshake issue."

QPR are two places above the relegation zone but by the time they kick off at Stamford Bridge they could find themselves in the bottom three, depending on Saturday's results.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17874354

[Camarero25]

You can't make this shit up

Mark Hughes claimed the Premier League wanted the QPR team to form a guard of honour and clap the Chelsea team onto the pitch at Stamford Bridge on Sunday.

He said they were looking for alternatives to the potentially controversial pre-match handshake that would usually have taken place.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2136344/Mark-Hughes-Premier-League-wanted-Chelsea-clapped-pitch.html#ixzz1tJUoPINr

Fuck. Me.

I don't even know what to say. I mean... what? What the fuck?!

[Laughter is the best medicine...]

The people that run this game in this country haven't got the first fucking clue about football. Not a fucking clue.

to be fair to the PL/FA the press havent incessantly been telling them what to do

[Upinsmoke]

I hate the game, absolutely hate it.

[Laughter is the best medicine...]

anyone know if anton ferdinand shook suarez's hand when we played them last month?

[NOTBORNIN1982]

anyone know if anton ferdinand shook suarez's hand when we played them last month?

If they hadn't then we would all know about it and Suarez would be taking all the blame etc.

[And Could He Play]

pleased god, one of them get sent off, please

[Finn Solomon]

We're being made a scapegoat, simple as, the only thing we can do now is to win the league and shove it down their fucking throats.

[R.A.La]

We're being made a scapegoat, simple as, the only thing we can do now is to win the league and shove it down their fucking throats.

Exactly. it wasn't enought to smear our reputation with their trumped up charges and rigged "tribuneral"
they had to humiliate us aswell. Fuck the FA/premier league. Corrupt bastards.

[andy in warrington]

I don't think the FA are lookinng to protect John Terry. They recently basically sacked him as England captain over this,so they can't love him that much.

[rafathegaffa83]

You can't make this shit up

Mark Hughes claimed the Premier League wanted the QPR team to form a guard of honour and clap the Chelsea team onto the pitch at Stamford Bridge on Sunday.

He said they were looking for alternatives to the potentially controversial pre-match handshake that would usually have taken place.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2136344/Mark-Hughes-Premier-League-wanted-Chelsea-clapped-pitch.html#ixzz1tJUoPINr

Utter stupidity to even think QPR would approve of the idea

[rusty-la]

You can't make this shit up

Mark Hughes claimed the Premier League wanted the QPR team to form a guard of honour and clap the Chelsea team onto the pitch at Stamford Bridge on Sunday.

He said they were looking for alternatives to the potentially controversial pre-match handshake that would usually have taken place.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2136344/Mark-Hughes-Premier-League-wanted-Chelsea-clapped-pitch.html#ixzz1tJUoPINr

Jesus. Reality people.

That 'Guard of Honour' comment was a joke and laughed off during the meeting according to the article I read in the Times. Yes it was the Times so I could be wrong.

But can we stop hand wringing over irrelevant comments?.

Terry will get his day in Court this Summer, we can judge him then.

Its not the FA judging him, its a British Court of Law judging him on the weight of available evidence.

I for one, cant wait for the outcome.

[Gravy]

I don't see what you are all moaning about. oh woah is me. Man up guys ffs.

It was the right decision to cancel this handshake, and if you can't see that and the difference between the Evra/Luis case then you need to go and stand in the corner and have a word with yourself. We all know the handshake should have been cancelled but it wasn't. But it's a desperate case altogether. This one is going through the court of law, and if they shook hands it would prejudice the case. If they didn't shake it would inflame the situation. Some of you need to grow up

However, it will be very interesting that when the Chav Chelsea fans give Ferdinans abuse, and they will, will they get vilified like we were when Evra got abused?

[Gravy]

We're being made a scapegoat, simple as, the only thing we can do now is to win the league and shove it down their fucking throats.

Well if that's what we have to do to ram it down their throats I think they are safe for a while yet!! :-(

[Torpedo Tommy]

I don't see what you are all moaning about. oh woah is me. Man up guys ffs.

It was the right decision to cancel this handshake, and if you can't see that and the difference between the Evra/Luis case then you need to go and stand in the corner and have a word with yourself. We all know the handshake should have been cancelled but it wasn't. But it's a desperate case altogether. This one is going through the court of law, and if they shook hands it would prejudice the case. If they didn't shake it would inflame the situation. Some of you need to grow up

However, it will be very interesting that when the Chelsea Chelsea fans give Ferdinans abuse, and they will, will they get vilified like we were when Evra got abused?

The first bit of the underlined I agree with.

The second bit I understand - but just you are aware

One incident involved a lad from a foreign country who was being spoken to in his native tongue - Spanish.  The little shitbag who cried wolf then claimed it was said 10 times.  Despite no camera catching this once it would appear unlikely.  But, the FA being the FA had their pound of flesh and showed their undivided support for Patrice Evra and the Mancs in this instance.  The media would not let this go and escalated out of orbit - whether it was due to Luis being a Liverpool player or from foreign shores?  Who knows.  Was it because Evra played for the FA's cash cow or even if it was because he too was from foreign shores?  Who knows.

The other one involves two lads from Landan.  One camera caught 'our' *ahem* then national captain quite clearly.  There was no way out for our own broad shouldered captain.  He was as blatant as Enoch Powell.  The media coverage of this incident, despite being so blatant has been somewhat less that Patrice Evra v Luis Suarez.  John Terry would come across as a racist - and if is failed to be found guilty then what little bit of confidence I have in this country's justice system will be flushed down the shitter.

So why has this evaded the news so much?  Why has John Terry been allowed to play on until the season end?  Is it because he is English by any chance?

And from the media and FA's ignorance to this issue has largely allowed Terry to continue largely stress free.  Would Chelsea have reached the CL final without him?  Would they have been in the FA Cup final without him?  Would they still have a chance to get into the CL Final?

Now ask yourself about Luis Suarez.  Where would we be if this whole escapade hadn't lead to a 8 match ban for him?

Difficult questions to answer without ifs and buts but its a fair bet that Terry will be fined a silly amount of money and get asked to clean out the Seven Sisters public shithouses out and the FA will deem that sufficient punishment.

Time to get your head out the sand gravy and go into that corner you talk about!