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Phil_88 · « **Reply #2040 on:** April 23, 2012, 11:35:35 AM »

Quote from: williamson84 on April 23, 2012, 11:32:28 AM

Stayed out of here yesterday because all the usual space monkeys would be in harping on about how woeful we are etc etc.

If you want to call yourself a Liverpool fan then please lose the attitude that you want success now because it isn't going to happen. We were almost dead and buried not even 2 years ago (short memories on here). Mass squad overhaul and a new manager who hasn't even had a full season in charge. The owners came in with a 3-5year plan and nothing's changed. Kenny himself admits we're not the finished article but a work in progress. We've got the basis of a great 'squad' in the ranks now and an abundance of young talent that will hopefully be drip fead through the next couple of years. We're back to being run the way we should be and the stability is there now as well, let's not throw that down the drain because some fickle fans on here want it here and now. Fuck off and support the mancs if that's what your after. I'm not a scouser but i am a realist and a liverpool fan and understand what they're trying to do here and working towards. Work in progress folks adn if you can't accept it get off the train and don't come back but it's gonna be a journey worth having.

Trust in Kenny, trust in FSG and trust in the players. I'm confident they won't let us down.

YNWA

fuck off mate .............................................................. talking sense is not allowed on here by some :-)

Andy @ Allerton · « **Reply #2041 on:** April 23, 2012, 11:35:37 AM »

Quote from: .adam on April 23, 2012, 11:33:45 AM

Or we could discuss it on an Internet messageboard which has been set up specifically for that purpose. Just a thought.

So when you've successfully got Kenny out of the door would you be happy with the likely replacement? I'd predict it would be someone like Mark Hughes, Martin O'Neill, Sam Allardyce, Neil Warnock. Someone really triffic like that. How long until you'd want them booted out of the door mate? A season? Two? Less? A few months?

Phil_88 · « **Reply #2042 on:** April 23, 2012, 11:36:44 AM »

Quote from: Andy @ Allerton on April 23, 2012, 11:35:37 AM

So when you've successfully got Kenny out of the door would you be happy with the likely replacement? I'd predict it would be someone like Mark Hughes, Martin O'Neill, Sam Allardyce, Neil Warnock. Someone really triffic like that. How long until you'd want them booted out of the door mate? A season? Two? Less? A few months?

it would just be like hodgson all over again

filopastry · « **Reply #2043 on:** April 23, 2012, 11:37:41 AM »

Quote from: ArcticRed on April 23, 2012, 11:26:05 AM

Having Gerrard miss the first half of the season through injury would have to be seen as major as well, no? And Agger for what... two months total? Then add loosing Luis for 1/4 of the season. Just off the top of my head.

As for money spent... they were spent rebuilding. Not adding. Massive difference there, for those who don't choose to ignore it. They cover a total of 8 players (unless my math is off). Maybe that's part of the problem... trying to integrate too many players too quickly. Though I reckon a couple of those weren't meant to play every single game... especially had Gerrard and Lucas both been available for the majority of the season.

I would agree we were unlucky with Lucas, given his injury record although we obviously gambled on his fitness coming into the season as we had no proper cover for him and still don't, I can understand that though in the end we had limited funds last summer and could only address some of our needs, this was one we gambled on and it bit us in the arse.

Apart from that though I don't think we've been hugely unlucky with our injuries and other absences, Suarez only missed 4 league matches on his ban, and if you don't expect the likes of Gerrard, Agger, Johnson and Kelly to miss a lot of games you probably haven't been paying much attention to their injury record over the last few years. To be honest I think we've done well to get as many games out of Agger as we have.

Regi · « **Reply #2044 on:** April 23, 2012, 11:39:16 AM »

I certainly don't want to, or intend to, lay into Kenny because we should have won at a canter yesterday.
What I would say is that our policy of trying to go wide at every opportunity and cross is predictable, a bit one-dimensional and ultimately pointless when the quality if the final ball is as dismal as ours often is.
We desperately need someone playing centrally who gives us the ability to unlock defences with slide rule passes rather than going wide.
Some may cry that we opened West Brom a few times down the middle, but they were shite.
Until we give ourselves more quality options in attack, we will continue to struggle IMO.

drpepe · « **Reply #2045 on:** April 23, 2012, 11:41:38 AM »

Quote from: Phil_88 on April 23, 2012, 11:36:44 AM

it would just be like hodgson all over again

hodgson was an aberration.

We have to be a bit more confident that the owners will make better choices for our next manager than Purslow et al.

Phil_88 · « **Reply #2046 on:** April 23, 2012, 11:41:59 AM »

Quote from: Regi on April 23, 2012, 11:39:16 AM

I certainly don't want to, or intend to, lay into Kenny because we should have won at a canter yesterday.
What I would say is that our policy of trying to go wide at every opportunity and cross is predictable, a bit one-dimensional and ultimately pointless when the quality if the final ball is as dismal as ours often is.
We desperately need someone playing centrally who gives us the ability to unlock defences with slide rule passes rather than going wide.
Some may cry that we opened West Brom a few times down the middle, but they were shite.
Until we give ourselves more quality options in attack, we will continue to struggle IMO.

i dont really want to bring his name into it again but im gonna anyway this is where aquilani would have come in, wether or not he wanted to play for us, hes contracted to us and when he did play he played well.

hitman89762000 · « **Reply #2047 on:** April 23, 2012, 11:42:07 AM »

Quote from: .adam on April 23, 2012, 11:33:45 AM

Or we could discuss it on an Internet messageboard which has been set up specifically for that purpose. Just a thought.

It really isnt a discussion though is it its half baked " support" from a few people who think every defeat heralds our demise, why cant some of you think long term? Or even if you are a short termist fucker who wants everything now why cant you realise weve on a trophy were on course for a second... Weve got the basics of a great squad were playing attractive football and weve somebelting lads coming through from the youth teams.

But people wont see that they'll bang te drum get kenny out, then te next guy doesnt deliver we force him out te next one gets less time es gone te players are deciding not to play for them...oh my god weve turned into chelsea!!!

Is tht wat you idiots want!?!

Finn Solomon · « **Reply #2048 on:** April 23, 2012, 11:42:46 AM »

Quote from: Andy @ Allerton on April 23, 2012, 11:35:37 AM

So when you've successfully got Kenny out of the door would you be happy with the likely replacement? I'd predict it would be someone like Mark Hughes, Martin O'Neill, Sam Allardyce, Neil Warnock. Someone really triffic like that. How long until you'd want them booted out of the door mate? A season? Two? Less? A few months?

What, FSG will be consulting Purslow for a managerial appointment again? Don't think that will happen.

Phil_88 · « **Reply #2049 on:** April 23, 2012, 11:42:55 AM »

Quote from: drpepe on April 23, 2012, 11:41:38 AM

hodgson was an aberration.

We have to be a bit more confident that the owners will make better choices for our next manager than Purslow et al.

theres not anyone i can think of, of the top of my head whos out of a job to come and and do a better job than kenny

jpenno · « **Reply #2050 on:** April 23, 2012, 11:43:22 AM »

One of my concerns is that we do not appear to have a plan to progress - IF as is widely reported both Kuyt and Maxi are surplus to requirements and will be sold off in the summer, why are they still featuring at the expense of Sterling and Downing?

We need wingers that can beat a Man, how many times did Maxi slow play down and turn inside yesterday rather than beating his man and when he did he ran out of space or dove for a penalty.

There is no point trying to build a team and progress with systems and players that have only a few games left at Anfield, even worse if they were to get injured and cant then be moved on off the wage bill!

Whilst the play has been better than the last few seasons, results do matter and we desperately need someone who can put the ball in the net. I would gamble on Jordan Rhodes, he certainly knows where the goal is and If he can score goals at that level, with the chances we are creating I think it would be easy for him to step up to the premier league, its not like your asking him to play the lone striker role which is completely different, just put the ball in the net!

smj86 · « **Reply #2051 on:** April 23, 2012, 11:43:36 AM »

Quote from: Regi on April 23, 2012, 11:39:16 AM

I certainly don't want to, or intend to, lay into Kenny because we should have won at a canter yesterday.
What I would say is that our policy of trying to go wide at every opportunity and cross is predictable, a bit one-dimensional and ultimately pointless when the quality if the final ball is as dismal as ours often is.
We desperately need someone playing centrally who gives us the ability to unlock defences with slide rule passes rather than going wide.
Some may cry that we opened West Brom a few times down the middle, but they were shite.
Until we give ourselves more quality options in attack, we will continue to struggle IMO.

exactly!! it only takes one good signing to correct that..as well as the new signings getting a tough year under their belt should do them wonders for next season..if we can just get that one signing next year well be in afor a hell of year!!

hitman89762000 · « **Reply #2052 on:** April 23, 2012, 11:44:06 AM »

Quote from: Phil_88 on April 23, 2012, 11:42:55 AM

theres not anyone i can think of, of the top of my head whos out of a job to come and and do a better job than kenny

We dont need anew manager weve got one lets support him.

drpepe · « **Reply #2053 on:** April 23, 2012, 11:44:47 AM »

Quote from: Phil_88 on April 23, 2012, 11:42:55 AM

theres not anyone i can think of, of the top of my head whos out of a job to come and and do a better job than kenny

1 why do they have to be out of a job?
2 hopefully when the decision has to be made, the owners won't be plucking managers out of the top of your head!

jpenno · « **Reply #2054 on:** April 23, 2012, 11:44:59 AM »

Quote from: Phil_88 on April 23, 2012, 11:42:55 AM

theres not anyone i can think of, of the top of my head whos out of a job to come and and do a better job than kenny

Everyone has different opinions and a fair few would say Rafa but IF Kenny was to go why would the new man have to be out of Job?

Phil_88 · « **Reply #2055 on:** April 23, 2012, 11:45:51 AM »

Quote from: hitman89762000 on April 23, 2012, 11:44:06 AM

We dont need anew manager weve got one lets support him.

eerrrmmm i am like i said the people calling for his head get there wish and kenny goes whos gonna take over, its gonna be like hodgson all over again as theres no one currently unemployed who could do a better job

Sat1 · « **Reply #2056 on:** April 23, 2012, 11:46:52 AM »

We lack imagination and intelligence in the middle, an attacking forward and striker.

We got 3 duds in those positions for £62 million. Hopefully we don't make that mistake again.

.adam · « **Reply #2057 on:** April 23, 2012, 11:47:19 AM »

Quote from: Andy @ Allerton on April 23, 2012, 11:35:37 AM

So when you've successfully got Kenny out of the door would you be happy with the likely replacement? I'd predict it would be someone like Mark Hughes, Martin O'Neill, Sam Allardyce, Neil Warnock. Someone really triffic like that. How long until you'd want them booted out of the door mate? A season? Two? Less? A few months?

When Hodgson was sacked, we were supposedly talking to Klopp and Deschamps. What basis do you have for saying that we would be after Allardyce. It's posts like this that make it difficult for me to take you seriously.

drpepe · « **Reply #2058 on:** April 23, 2012, 11:48:15 AM »

Quote from: Sat1 on April 23, 2012, 11:46:52 AM

We lack imagination and intelligence in the middle, an attacking forward and striker.

We got 3 duds in those positions for £62 million. Hopefully we don't make that mistake again.

perhaps the person / people who made those choices have made them for the last time...

hitman89762000 · « **Reply #2059 on:** April 23, 2012, 11:49:03 AM »

What if fsg in the summer kept kenny but..

Appointed:
Rafa
Jose
Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas
Allardyce
guardiola

As his assistants would everyone be happy then or do we need more fm names?

Samee · « **Reply #2060 on:** April 23, 2012, 11:50:50 AM »

Quote from: Groundskeeper Willie on April 23, 2012, 09:59:38 AM

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Thank you Roy, thank you.

Phil_88 · « **Reply #2061 on:** April 23, 2012, 11:53:45 AM »

IF the form from this season continues into next season and its the same again then yes questions must be asked, but like most people have said kenny needs at least one more season, hes earned that much now we have a summer upcoming were we can hopefully sort out certain positions and get back to winning ways next year

jpenno · « **Reply #2062 on:** April 23, 2012, 11:57:22 AM »

Quote from: Phil_88 on April 23, 2012, 11:53:45 AM

IF the form from this season continues into next season and its the same again then yes questions must be asked, but like most people have said kenny needs at least one more season, hes earned that much now we have a summer upcoming were we can hopefully sort out certain positions and get back to winning ways next year

The form (as in performances) isnt too bad its the results that are the problem.

If the 2012 results contine next season we would be relegated!! - Something would have to be done before the end of the year if the results didnt improve.

drpepe · « **Reply #2063 on:** April 23, 2012, 12:03:19 PM »

Quote from: jpenno on April 23, 2012, 11:57:22 AM

The form (as in performances) isnt too bad its the results that are the problem.

If the 2012 results contine next season we would be relegated!! - Something would have to be done before the end of the year if the results didnt improve.

if a part of our game fails consistently over and over again, then i find it difficult to agree with anyone saying our performances are good (i've even heard it said that our only bad perormance this season was spurs away

)

For me the wba game was really really poor, very predictable and no different from the majority of our poor performances and poor results this season.

Regi · « **Reply #2064 on:** April 23, 2012, 12:04:53 PM »

What was most worrying for me yesterday was the fact that after they scored we went to pieces in terms of any constructive attacking.
We resorted to lumping it forward and depending on Andy to pick out a team-mate, which is difficult when none of them bar one have the intelligence to move into range of his flick-ons.
We did get it wide a few times but the final ball was shocking and the whole thing smacked of hoping something would happen rather than making it happen.
That is not good enough

.adam · « **Reply #2065 on:** April 23, 2012, 12:05:05 PM »

Quote from: drpepe on April 23, 2012, 12:03:19 PM

if a part of our game fails consistently over and over again, then i find it difficult to agree with anyone saying our performances are good (i've even heard it said that our only bad perormance this season was spurs away )

For me the wba game was really really poor, very predictable and no different from the majority of our poor performances and poor results this season.

Don't say that, mate. The only alternative is to accept Neil Warnock as our manager.

hugoboss · « **Reply #2066 on:** April 23, 2012, 12:05:22 PM »

Quote from: geoffstrong on April 23, 2012, 11:09:45 AM

if you react to results only then you can say we have gone backwards, however if you look at quality of play and performances then we are miles ahead of last season and the one before, the only thing missing is putting the dam ball in the net.

Arsenal have been playing good football for years and are no closer to the league than they were some years ago,

redintweed · « **Reply #2067 on:** April 23, 2012, 12:08:11 PM »

After watching the game for the second time, I still can't believe we've lost that game (like many others this season). Total domination is an understatement. Even after they scored I still thought we had a couple of goals in us. But the substitutions seemed to dull our play somewhat. Particularly the removal of Kuyt.

I like the style of play that KD has the lads playing. We do need a clinical finisher and maybe a creative midfielder in the Alonso mould, but I don't believe we are that far from being a top four side again, well not as far away as a lot on this forum think. We do need to make changes, but not as many as the doomsayers are looking for. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and that is what forums are about.

There are a few really good young players coming through and with a couple of additions we will improve a whole lot. Getting Lucas back next season will be like a new signing. The only critisim that I have is the buy British policy. There is definitely better value looking abroad but that does come with some amount of risk I suppose. But surely the scouting network has a few picked out. There is little value in buying British as we seem to have proved. We need to be a lot smarter in how we spend our money. It pains me more than I can say, but Newcastle have shown how to find decent quality at a decent price.

It will be very interesting to see what KD and more importantly FSG do in the summer. I hope KD gets another season. I don't want LFC to become another club that sacks managers every season. We do need a bit of continuity.

But when all is said and done, we need to put the ball in the net and beat the likes of WBA etc.

.adam · « **Reply #2068 on:** April 23, 2012, 12:09:32 PM »

Six points off last season's total but it's OK, we're rapidly improving.

We're better than we were under Hodgson, no doubt. But we're not better off than we were under Dalglish last season and this is after a hundred million quid and a pre-season to stamp his brand of football on the team.

drpepe · « **Reply #2069 on:** April 23, 2012, 12:10:04 PM »

Quote from: .adam on April 23, 2012, 12:05:05 PM

Don't say that, mate. The only alternative is to accept Neil Warnock as our manager.

we couldn't possibly get Warnock as he's currently employed by Leeds United

.adam · « **Reply #2070 on:** April 23, 2012, 12:11:27 PM »

Quote from: drpepe on April 23, 2012, 12:10:04 PM

we couldn't possibly get Warnock as he's currently employed by Leeds United

Stop picking holes in Andy's logic. It's not allowed.

ArcticRed · « **Reply #2071 on:** April 23, 2012, 12:12:50 PM »

Quote from: Phil_88 on April 23, 2012, 11:53:45 AM

IF the form from this season continues into next season and its the same again then yes questions must be asked, but like most people have said kenny needs at least one more season, hes earned that much now we have a summer upcoming were we can hopefully sort out certain positions and get back to winning ways next year

IF next season is a carbon copy of this one, without significantly improved results, I feel it just as likely that Kenny might ask the pertinent questions for himself.
I have no doubt whatsoever that the day he feels he can't fix what is wrong, he will step down.
And for some strange reason, I trust that man way more than any of you muckers on here when it comes to making that call

montysmum · « **Reply #2072 on:** April 23, 2012, 12:13:29 PM »

Quote from: redintweed on April 23, 2012, 12:08:11 PM

After watching the game for the second time, I still can't believe we've lost that game (like many others this season). Total domination is an understatement. Even after they scored I still thought we had a couple of goals in us. But the substitutions seemed to dull our play somewhat. Particularly the removal of Kuyt.

I like the style of play that KD has the lads playing. We do need a clinical finisher and maybe a creative midfielder in the Alonso mould, but I don't believe we are that far from being a top four side again, well not as far away as a lot on this forum think. We do need to make changes, but not as many as the doomsayers are looking for. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and that is what forums are about.

There are a few really good young players coming through and with a couple of additions we will improve a whole lot. Getting Lucas back next season will be like a new signing. The only critisim that I have is the buy British policy. There is definitely better value looking abroad but that does come with some amount of risk I suppose. But surely the scouting network has a few picked out. There is little value in buying British as we seem to have proved. We need to be a lot smarter in how we spend our money. It pains me more than I can say, but Newcastle have shown how to find decent quality at a decent price.

It will be very interesting to see what KD and more importantly FSG do in the summer. I hope KD gets another season. I don't want LFC to become another club that sacks managers every season. We do need a bit of continuity.

But when all is said and done, we need to put the ball in the net and beat the likes of WBA etc.

Just about sums it up.

Camarero25 · « **Reply #2073 on:** April 23, 2012, 12:17:52 PM »

Quote from: drpepe on April 23, 2012, 12:03:19 PM

if a part of our game fails consistently over and over again, then i find it difficult to agree with anyone saying our performances are good (i've even heard it said that our only bad perormance this season was spurs away )

For me the wba game was really really poor, very predictable and no different from the majority of our poor performances and poor results this season.

I think our (League) performances were pretty good up to about January. Ever since then our performances have by and large been rubbish and the results have been even worse. Having said that, I thought we were quite good yesterday.

Zlenpasha · « **Reply #2074 on:** April 23, 2012, 12:18:26 PM »

Many important questions will continue to lay buried under ten million tons of sludge.
Cup me this and I'll Lucas you that while we negrito our way into another round of self-perpetuated bullshit.

We have problems that have been unattended for the duration of the season.
But it's ok, they'll mend themselves as soon as the next season starts.

drpepe · « **Reply #2075 on:** April 23, 2012, 12:20:41 PM »

Quote from: Zlenpasha on April 23, 2012, 12:18:26 PM

Many important questions will continue to lay buried under ten million tons of sludge.
Cup me this and I'll Lucas you that while we negrito our way into another round of self-perpetuated bullshit.

We have problems that have been unattended for the duration of the season.
But it's ok, they'll mend themselves as soon as the next season starts.

yes that sums it up.

henry · « **Reply #2076 on:** April 23, 2012, 12:24:16 PM »

OMG, we should sack kenny, sack clark, sack all the players then sack the cleaners too!!!!

Sharado · « **Reply #2077 on:** April 23, 2012, 12:25:26 PM »

The biggest disappointment this season, for me, has actually been that not many of the young lads have got a look in. Would have like to have seen a few of them - not just Raheem - kicking about the first team a bit more than they have.

Phil_88 · « **Reply #2078 on:** April 23, 2012, 12:27:10 PM »

Quote from: Sharado on April 23, 2012, 12:25:26 PM

The biggest disappointment this season, for me, has actually been that not many of the young lads have got a look in. Would have like to have seen a few of them - not just Raheem - kicking about the first team a bit more than they have.

kelly, flanagan, robinson, shelvey, spearing, hendo, raheem, coates, have all featured and are around the first team no?

Regi · « **Reply #2079 on:** April 23, 2012, 12:27:18 PM »

Quote from: henry on April 23, 2012, 12:24:16 PM

OMG, we should sack kenny, sack clark, sack all the players then sack the cleaners too!!!!

What exactly do you think posts like this add to the discussion?
Either say something constructive or fuck all please