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Re: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......
« Reply #2000 on: April 23, 2012, 10:58:30 AM »
well yes it is these mongrels react to one game not the bigger picture,

you know the bigger picture which is certainly playing better football, a decent squad that needs tinkering with not wholesale demolition, the guy in charge who epitomises everything that is right about this club and as for bragging rights( and you get no trophies for finishes below the league winners) Spurs will end up winning nothing, Arsenal will end up winning nothing, Newcastle will end up winning nothing, one of the Manc teams will end up winning nothing, hopefully if there is a god chelsea will end up winning nothing and we will have 1 but probably to trophies for winning something.

Tell me which looks better in the record books then.

Also you will note that is 6 teams going for 4 places for the plastic eldorado trophy, they cant all fill them can they?

How about this bigger picture geoff, the one I've been looking at since before the season began: Are we any closer to winning the league? We're not, we've gone backwards. Whereas Spurs, Arsenal and both Manc teams can look forward to challenging for the league next season.
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Re: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......
« Reply #2001 on: April 23, 2012, 10:59:55 AM »
Everybody going on about how we battered WBA. It’s doesn't matter, when that final whistle goes and you’ve got less goals than the opposition. You lose.

It’s a bit like a KO in boxing. No one gives a shit if you were winning on points if you’re on your arse when the bell goes.

Well why wasn't that the case when Benitez was in charge and we were competing at the top table at home and in Europe. Then wins were not enough people moaned like fuck about the style of play. Did the fans cheer us off when we went top of the League against West Ham or did they boo like spoilt children.

We are winning at the moment we have a very good chance of winning two of the three trophies that we entered. Or does winning trophies only count when not winning trophies is a stick to beat the manager with. When we won the Champions League the manager was lambasted for not taking the FA Cup seriously against Burnley. When he won the FA Cup the next season he was lambasted for not challenging for the title . When he challenged for the title and got 86 points he was lambasted for not winning a trophy. The goalposts shift to suit whatever agenda the impatient bastards currently want to beat the manager with. Get behind the manager and the team and stop looking for things to beat them with.

For me the season as a whole should be divided into the three competitions and then sub divided into performances and results, if you do that then of the six categories we have got five of them right. The performances in all three competitions have been very good and the results in two of the three competitions have been excellent. Isn't it so very typical that everyone is concentrating on the one sixth that hasn't gone well.

We have made mistakes and we need to let the management team put those mistakes right instead of ripping everything up and starting again for the umpteenth time.
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Re: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......
« Reply #2002 on: April 23, 2012, 11:00:06 AM »
http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2012/04/were-not-far-off-the-right-blend/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=were-not-far-off-the-right-blend
Brilliant that from Roy....

Loved this bit .... "Stick with it, and integrate it, but most of all, prune and add quality", its similar to what I've just posted above.

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Re: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......
« Reply #2003 on: April 23, 2012, 11:03:16 AM »

Speaking to every single person after the game - although we were all cheesed off with the actual full time result - we couldn't have a go at the manager or players - because we played very well and excellently at times.
I agree, but have you gone all Italian on us Andy  :wave 

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Re: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......
« Reply #2004 on: April 23, 2012, 11:06:31 AM »
Putting aside any shock transfer requests we could be entering next season with a solid keeper & back 4 together with competent backs-ups from Kelly & Robinson for those places.
Add Lucas and Suarez, so there is at least 7 positions cemented. That's a decent foundation to add a new finisher and a right-sided player to make it 9 even if we don't splash the cash.

The long list of players missing from above can add to the rest mate.

I'd agree with that, that we have 7 top notch players to use as the foundation
I hope the right signings are made though because it fells like we have been saying this for years now  ;)
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Re: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......
« Reply #2005 on: April 23, 2012, 11:07:05 AM »
I agree, but have you gone all Italian on us Andy  :wave 


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Re: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......
« Reply #2006 on: April 23, 2012, 11:07:19 AM »
What a strange thing to say.

Do you have any solutions by the way?

Employ a system other than pump as many balls in the to the box as possible. That's basically how we play these days and if it doesn't work we're fucked.

For all the possession we have in a match passing it across the lines, we don't create as many clear-cut chances as we used to. How often do we have a player one on one with the goalkeeper? Usually it's just pinged in to box and someone has a split second to lash a foot at it and hope it goes in. We don't create the quality, gilt-edged chances that we used to.

I read an article a few weeks ago that reasoned that most of our signings were made with the idea that they could put the ball in the box. Adam, Henderson, Downing... all are supposedly good at putting it in there and the statistics from the previous season backed it up. There was a magic number of approximately 20 crosses in a game would mean that you would more than likely win the match. Id' say this is why Kenny justified shunting Henderson was out on the right for so long this season - so he can whip it in.

How many of the top sides throw it in the box like we do? It's an outdated tactic which most top teams have moved on from.

When Kenny was appointed manager, my biggest worry was that his idea of how to play football would be outdated and not compatible with the modern game. The concept of "big man up top, little man running off him and wingers whipping the ball in" is how football was played in the 90s and it has moved on. We looked promising last year when Kenny came in and played with the pass and move philosophy that was reminiscent of the Rafa era. Now Kenny has had the time to stamp his own ideologies on the team I'm not sure that I agree with how he sets us up. We're one dimensional.

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Re: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......
« Reply #2007 on: April 23, 2012, 11:09:09 AM »
When we won the Champions League the manager was lambasted for not taking the FA Cup seriously against Burnley. When he won the FA Cup the next season he was lambasted for not challenging for the title . When he challenged for the title and got 86 points he was lambasted for not winning a trophy. The goalposts shift to suit whatever agenda the impatient bastards currently want to beat the manager with. Get behind the manager and the team and stop looking for things to beat them

I'll use the term xenophobic instead of impatient.

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Re: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......
« Reply #2008 on: April 23, 2012, 11:09:12 AM »
Employ a system other than pump as many balls in the to the box as possible. That's basically how we play these days and if it doesn't work we're fucked.

For all the possession we have in a match passing it across the lines, we don't create as many clear-cut chances as we used to. How often do we have a player one on one with the goalkeeper? Usually it's just pinged in to box and someone has a split second to lash a foot at it and hope it goes in. We don't create the quality, gilt-edged chances that we used to.

I read an article a few weeks ago that reasoned that most of our signings were made with the idea that they could put the ball in the box. Adam, Henderson, Downing... all are supposedly good at putting it in there and the statistics from the previous season backed it up. There was a magic number of approximately 20 crosses in a game would mean that you would more than likely win the match. Id' say this is why Kenny justified shunting Henderson was out on the right for so long this season - so he can whip it in.

How many of the top sides throw it in the box like we do? It's an outdated tactic which most top teams have moved on from.

When Kenny was appointed manager, my biggest worry was that his idea of how to play football would be outdated and not compatible with the modern game. The concept of "big man up top, little man running off him and wingers whipping the ball in" is how football was played in the 90s and it has moved on. We looked promising last year when Kenny came in and played with the pass and move philosophy that was reminiscent of the Rafa era. Now Kenny has had the time to stamp his own ideologies on the team I'm not sure that I agree with how he sets us up. We're one dimensional.


He hasn't had the time. He's only been there for one full season (And that's not finished yet) and he's had a load of outgoings and a load of incomings to deal with - plus key injuries.

That is nowhere near "Having had the time"

What a load of cock. This NOW!!! NOW!!! NOW!!!!!! NOW!!!!!!!!!! NOW!!!!!!!!!! culture is utterly pathetic.
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Re: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......
« Reply #2009 on: April 23, 2012, 11:09:45 AM »
How about this bigger picture geoff, the one I've been looking at since before the season began: Are we any closer to winning the league? We're not, we've gone backwards. Whereas Spurs, Arsenal and both Manc teams can look forward to challenging for the league next season.

if you react to results only then you can say we have gone backwards, however if you look at quality of play and performances then we are miles ahead of last season and the one before, the only thing missing is putting the dam ball in the net. As for the four above yes now look at facts, United stuck with the manager when he had seasons like this one and it paid off, Wenger been there for decades stability, City decent manager can buy who they want, when they want, Spurs decent manager bought well however the wheels have come off since the England job loomed up.
Then you get Kenny took the job short notice the relief of getting rid of Roy gave us some false hope that the job was nearly completed when actually the squad had been ravished and was threadbare. This season better squad however we should have had better quality to come in for Lucas but that is hindsight, we play excellent football up to the box and then it all falls apart but nothing you can eradicate overnight, it is a confidence issue for some and technique for others, but it will come right or one or two will be replaced.

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Re: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......
« Reply #2010 on: April 23, 2012, 11:10:32 AM »
Look, its nearly 3 years, 3 managers (2 with real quality), and we still have mediocre performance from the players...  Kenny has his faults, Rafa too but I'll first take a look at who are the players still here, who are the senior players or even the new ones who do not have the mentality to succeed in this special club.

If these players are comfortable with their annual shit performances, maybe, we should just start playing the young ones.

And that's where Kenny needs the balls to start dropping the big names... whether he'll do that is another question...

I would also like to see more from the youth, especially now in the league where we are playing mostly for pride and momentum.  The problem has always been that it is difficult and potentially damaging (for them) bringing in young players into a mis-firing team.
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Re: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......
« Reply #2011 on: April 23, 2012, 11:11:11 AM »
Employ a system other than pump as many balls in the to the box as possible. That's basically how we play these days and if it doesn't work we're fucked.

For all the possession we have in a match passing it across the lines, we don't create as many clear-cut chances as we used to. How often do we have a player one on one with the goalkeeper? Usually it's just pinged in to box and someone has a split second to lash a foot at it and hope it goes in. We don't create the quality, gilt-edged chances that we used to.

I read an article a few weeks ago that reasoned that most of our signings were made with the idea that they could put the ball in the box. Adam, Henderson, Downing... all are supposedly good at putting it in there and the statistics from the previous season backed it up. There was a magic number of approximately 20 crosses in a game would mean that you would more than likely win the match. Id' say this is why Kenny justified shunting Henderson was out on the right for so long this season - so he can whip it in.

How many of the top sides throw it in the box like we do? It's an outdated tactic which most top teams have moved on from.

When Kenny was appointed manager, my biggest worry was that his idea of how to play football would be outdated and not compatible with the modern game. The concept of "big man up top, little man running off him and wingers whipping the ball in" is how football was played in the 90s and it has moved on. We looked promising last year when Kenny came in and played with the pass and move philosophy that was reminiscent of the Rafa era. Now Kenny has had the time to stamp his own ideologies on the team I'm not sure that I agree with how he sets us up. We're one dimensional.

yes this is massively frustrating

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Re: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......
« Reply #2012 on: April 23, 2012, 11:14:19 AM »
There is a football tactic when you play against opposition with better players to sit back, soap the pressure and hit on the break. Chelsea did it so did West Brom so we really didn't batter them, their plan worked ours didn't.
Oh aye they soaked up all the pressure well. We didn't have a sniff. An execution of those tactics at its best.

Having the majority of possession doesn't mean you've battered someone but having that and a lot of clear opportunities to score means that you have. West Brom like Chelsea relied too heavily on help from lady luck, for us or Barca to be tactically out manoeuvred. You could say that they were battered and got away with it by the skin of their teeth. 

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Re: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......
« Reply #2013 on: April 23, 2012, 11:14:52 AM »
Well why wasn't that the case when Benitez was in charge and we were competing at the top table at home and in Europe. Then wins were not enough people moaned like fuck about the style of play. Did the fans cheer us off when we went top of the League against West Ham or did they boo like spoilt children.

We are winning at the moment we have a very good chance of winning two of the three trophies that we entered. Or does winning trophies only count when not winning trophies is a stick to beat the manager with. When we won the Champions League the manager was lambasted for not taking the FA Cup seriously against Burnley. When he won the FA Cup the next season he was lambasted for not challenging for the title . When he challenged for the title and got 86 points he was lambasted for not winning a trophy. The goalposts shift to suit whatever agenda the impatient bastards currently want to beat the manager with. Get behind the manager and the team and stop looking for things to beat them with.

For me the season as a whole should be divided into the three competitions and then sub divided into performances and results, if you do that then of the six categories we have got five of them right. The performances in all three competitions have been very good and the results in two of the three competitions have been excellent. Isn't it so very typical that everyone is concentrating on the one sixth that hasn't gone well.

We have made mistakes and we need to let the management team put those mistakes right instead of ripping everything up and starting again for the umpteenth time.

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Re: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......
« Reply #2014 on: April 23, 2012, 11:15:33 AM »

He hasn't had the time. He's only been there for one full season (And that's not finished yet) and he's had a load of outgoings and a load of incomings to deal with - plus key injuries.

That is nowhere near "Having had the time"

What a load of cock. This NOW!!! NOW!!! NOW!!!!!! NOW!!!!!!!!!! NOW!!!!!!!!!! culture is utterly pathetic.

Nearly £100m to spend on the personnel he wanted for his own system. A decent proportion of which can be deemed wasted.

One major injury to Lucas who, I'm sure we can both agree, is pivotal to our side but other than that we have had a better injury record (or rather, lack thereof) over the course of the season that any of our competitors.

Just to re-emphasise, we're six points worse off that this point last season. And that was with half a season of The Hodge.
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Re: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......
« Reply #2015 on: April 23, 2012, 11:16:33 AM »
Well why wasn't that the case when Benitez was in charge and we were competing at the top table at home and in Europe. Then wins were not enough people moaned like fuck about the style of play. Did the fans cheer us off when we went top of the League against West Ham or did they boo like spoilt children.

We are winning at the moment we have a very good chance of winning two of the three trophies that we entered. Or does winning trophies only count when not winning trophies is a stick to beat the manager with. When we won the Champions League the manager was lambasted for not taking the FA Cup seriously against Burnley. When he won the FA Cup the next season he was lambasted for not challenging for the title . When he challenged for the title and got 86 points he was lambasted for not winning a trophy. The goalposts shift to suit whatever agenda the impatient bastards currently want to beat the manager with. Get behind the manager and the team and stop looking for things to beat them with.

For me the season as a whole should be divided into the three competitions and then sub divided into performances and results, if you do that then of the six categories we have got five of them right. The performances in all three competitions have been very good and the results in two of the three competitions have been excellent. Isn't it so very typical that everyone is concentrating on the one sixth that hasn't gone well.

We have made mistakes and we need to let the management team put those mistakes right instead of ripping everything up and starting again for the umpteenth time.
Couldn't agree more

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Re: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......
« Reply #2016 on: April 23, 2012, 11:16:41 AM »
If the league really doesn't matter anymore then why don't we try out some new things? Blood some new players, practice different systems, learn for next season.

I'd be more willing to accept our recent league form if we were actually building for future seasons, but we're not. We keep playing the same players and trying the same tactics that have (for the most part) failed this season.

Look at the way we've treated the likes of Coates, Shelvey and Sterling. Surely if the league doesn't matter now, we could've given players like these some more games?

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Re: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......
« Reply #2017 on: April 23, 2012, 11:18:20 AM »
Employ a system other than pump as many balls in the to the box as possible. That's basically how we play these days and if it doesn't work we're fucked.

For all the possession we have in a match passing it across the lines, we don't create as many clear-cut chances as we used to. How often do we have a player one on one with the goalkeeper? Usually it's just pinged in to box and someone has a split second to lash a foot at it and hope it goes in. We don't create the quality, gilt-edged chances that we used to.

I read an article a few weeks ago that reasoned that most of our signings were made with the idea that they could put the ball in the box. Adam, Henderson, Downing... all are supposedly good at putting it in there and the statistics from the previous season backed it up. There was a magic number of approximately 20 crosses in a game would mean that you would more than likely win the match. Id' say this is why Kenny justified shunting Henderson was out on the right for so long this season - so he can whip it in.

How many of the top sides throw it in the box like we do? It's an outdated tactic which most top teams have moved on from.

When Kenny was appointed manager, my biggest worry was that his idea of how to play football would be outdated and not compatible with the modern game. The concept of "big man up top, little man running off him and wingers whipping the ball in" is how football was played in the 90s and it has moved on. We looked promising last year when Kenny came in and played with the pass and move philosophy that was reminiscent of the Rafa era. Now Kenny has had the time to stamp his own ideologies on the team I'm not sure that I agree with how he sets us up. We're one dimensional.

Good post. We bought players to play a particular style of football. Unfortunately as its not effective and few of our players are technically or physically (pace) good enough to play different styles.

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Re: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......
« Reply #2018 on: April 23, 2012, 11:20:02 AM »
Nearly £100m to spend on the personnel he wanted for his own system. A decent proportion of which can be deemed wasted.

One major injury to Lucas who, I'm sure we can both agree, is pivotal to our side but other than that we have had a better injury record (or rather, lack thereof) over the course of the season that any of our competitors.

Just to re-emphasise, we're six points worse off that this point last season. And that was with half a season of The Hodge.

Absolute rubbish again. IF football ends this season never to start again then yes some signings are disappointing.

But! Do you know what? There is another league season after this one and then another and then another.

You have to give players time. Like it or not, some players take months or years to fully bed in. IF you saw the game yesterday then you would have noted that a lot of players put really good performances in and they are really starting to blend as a team. If the continue to improve as they have of late then it's going to be more and more difficult to draw or lose. Football has always been a percentage game and slowly we're picking up the play. Results will follow. That's always the way.

You are thinking NOW!!! NOW!! NOW!!! NOW!!! NOW!!! Every post confirms it.
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Re: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......
« Reply #2019 on: April 23, 2012, 11:20:20 AM »
It creates a culture of losing and mediocrity that will be very difficult to shake next season should the majority of the personnel remain at the club.
You think Kenny would stand for that no chance.

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Re: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......
« Reply #2020 on: April 23, 2012, 11:23:44 AM »
Absolute rubbish again. IF football ends this season never to start again then yes some signings are disappointing.

But! Do you know what? There is another league season after this one and then another and then another.

You have to give players time. Like it or not, some players take months or years to fully bed in. IF you saw the game yesterday then you would have noted that a lot of players put really good performances in and they are really starting to blend as a team. If the continue to improve as they have of late then it's going to be more and more difficult to draw or lose. Football has always been a percentage game and slowly we're picking up the play. Results will follow. That's always the way.

You are thinking NOW!!! NOW!! NOW!!! NOW!!! NOW!!! Every post confirms it.

No, Andy, you are just struggling to comprehend that we differ on whether the team will eventually "come good".

You do and I don't. Not as it is set up now, anyway.

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Re: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......
« Reply #2021 on: April 23, 2012, 11:23:50 AM »
There is a culture of losing at this club. A lack of mental strength and fortitude. The majority of fans completely revise their expectations as the side churn out one shit display after another.

Who here, based on our signings in the summer, would've predicted a mid-table finish?

If you didn't, there is no reason to revise that opinion and not deem this season as a failure.

Just look at the threads at the start of the season. Most were saying they thought we could finish in the top four, some even thought we could challenge for the title!

In fact, I think Andy@Allerton himself created a thread entitled "Shove Fourth", in which I believe the message was that we should forget about fourth place and go for the league (apologies if I'm wrong Andy).
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Re: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......
« Reply #2022 on: April 23, 2012, 11:23:57 AM »

We are winning at the moment we have a very good chance of winning two of the three trophies that we entered. Or does winning trophies only count when not winning trophies is a stick to beat the manager with. When we won the Champions League the manager was lambasted for not taking the FA Cup seriously against Burnley. When he won the FA Cup the next season he was lambasted for not challenging for the title . When he challenged for the title and got 86 points he was lambasted for not winning a trophy. The goalposts shift to suit whatever agenda the impatient bastards currently want to beat the manager with. Get behind the manager and the team and stop looking for things to beat them with.


Don't agree with everything you say mate but this is quality.

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Re: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......
« Reply #2023 on: April 23, 2012, 11:23:59 AM »
We'll probably fix out goalscoring woes next season, only to find new problems at the back, leaking goals all of a sudden....


....and round and round we go for another season

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Re: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......
« Reply #2024 on: April 23, 2012, 11:25:20 AM »
Spot on. There is always an excuse.

I hope I never have to live through a war with some of you guys.  Sometimes an excuse is actually valid you know.  How hard is it for people to understand that Liverpool FC was left by Hicks and Gillett in it's worst state both on and off the pitch since probably before Shankly arrived?  This isn't like rebuilding after Evans or Houllier.  This is a root and branch rebuild from scratch, undermined by 6 months of backwards signings from Hodgson.  There will be mistakes along the way in terms of signings, tactics and back office politics (Comolli), but time is essential.

Progress is not a completely straight upward line.  Sometimes there are troughs when it seems like things have gone backwards.  You take progress across a longer period.

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« Reply #2025 on: April 23, 2012, 11:26:05 AM »
Nearly £100m to spend on the personnel he wanted for his own system. A decent proportion of which can be deemed wasted.

One major injury to Lucas who, I'm sure we can both agree, is pivotal to our side but other than that we have had a better injury record (or rather, lack thereof) over the course of the season that any of our competitors.

Just to re-emphasise, we're six points worse off that this point last season. And that was with half a season of The Hodge.
Having Gerrard miss the first half of the season through injury would have to be seen as major as well, no? And Agger for what... two months total? Then add loosing Luis for 1/4 of the season. Just off the top of my head.

As for money spent... they were spent rebuilding. Not adding. Massive difference there, for those who don't choose to ignore it. They cover a total of 8 players (unless my math is off). Maybe that's part of the problem... trying to integrate too many players too quickly. Though I reckon a couple of those weren't meant to play every single game... especially had Gerrard and Lucas both been available for the majority of the season.

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Re: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......
« Reply #2026 on: April 23, 2012, 11:26:35 AM »
We have a very good chance of winning two of the three trophies that we entered. Or does winning trophies only count when not winning trophies is a stick to beat the manager with. When we won the Champions League the manager was lambasted for not taking the FA Cup seriously against Burnley. When he won the FA Cup the next season he was lambasted for not challenging for the title . When he challenged for the title and got 86 points he was lambasted for not winning a trophy. The goalposts shift to suit whatever agenda the impatient bastards currently want to beat the manager with. Get behind the manager and the team and stop looking for things to beat them with.
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Re: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......
« Reply #2027 on: April 23, 2012, 11:26:47 AM »
We'll probably fix out goalscoring woes next season, only to find new problems at the back, leaking goals all of a sudden....


....and round and round we go for another season
There is defo a striker problem look at west brom one real chance and they scored from it.That is the difference between a good striker and a poor one imo.

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Re: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......
« Reply #2028 on: April 23, 2012, 11:27:37 AM »
Having Gerrard miss the first half of the season through injury would have to be seen as major as well, no? And Agger for what... two months total? Then add loosing Luis for 1/4 of the season. Just off the top of my head.

As for money spent... they were spent rebuilding. Not adding. Massive difference there, for those who don't choose to ignore it. They cover a total of 8 players (unless my math is off). Maybe that's part of the problem... trying to integrate too many players too quickly. Though I reckon a couple of those weren't meant to play every single game... especially had Gerrard and Lucas both been available for the majority of the season.

Don't forget about losing Suarez and all the shite the club had to put up with from the media and all the inbreds across the UK.
Football has reached the ninth gate of farce and pathetic, unbelievable trite nonsense. It's supposed to be a game and it's turned into pantomime, hype, quilts and bellends.

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Re: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......
« Reply #2029 on: April 23, 2012, 11:29:28 AM »
I hope I never have to live through a war with some of you guys.  Sometimes an excuse is actually valid you know.  How hard is it for people to understand that Liverpool FC was left by Hicks and Gillett in it's worst state both on and off the pitch since probably before Shankly arrived?  This isn't like rebuilding after Evans or Houllier.  This is a root and branch rebuild from scratch, undermined by 6 months of backwards signings from Hodgson.  There will be mistakes along the way in terms of signings, tactics and back office politics (Comolli), but time is essential.

Progress is not a completely straight upward line.  Sometimes there are troughs when it seems like things have gone backwards.  You take progress across a longer period.

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Re: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......
« Reply #2030 on: April 23, 2012, 11:29:33 AM »
There is defo a striker problem look at west brom one real chance and they scored from it.That is the difference between a good striker and a poor one imo.
Or one without anywhere close to the same pressure on his shoulders getting a free pass at goal. And not having 22 legs blocking every angle.
Oh, and avoiding hitting the woodwork, of course.
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« Reply #2031 on: April 23, 2012, 11:30:04 AM »
Having Gerrard miss the first half of the season through injury would have to be seen as major as well, no? And Agger for what... two months total? Then add loosing Luis for 1/4 of the season. Just off the top of my head.

As for money spent... they were spent rebuilding. Not adding. Massive difference there, for those who don't choose to ignore it. They cover a total of 8 players (unless my math is off). Maybe that's part of the problem... trying to integrate too many players too quickly. Though I reckon a couple of those weren't meant to play every single game... especially had Gerrard and Lucas both been available for the majority of the season.
Being a bit pedantic, but Suarez only missed 4 league games which works out at roughly 1/10th of the league season.

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Re: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......
« Reply #2032 on: April 23, 2012, 11:30:31 AM »
Don't forget about losing Suarez and all the shite the club had to put up with from the media and all the inbreds across the UK.
Was thinking that myself or the headlines like "Kop 4th or im off" will start appearing soon.

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« Reply #2033 on: April 23, 2012, 11:30:39 AM »
Don't forget about losing Suarez and all the shite the club had to put up with from the media and all the inbreds across the UK.
Thought I did add him. Otherwise, one of us needs some new glasses :D

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Re: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......
« Reply #2034 on: April 23, 2012, 11:31:04 AM »
I think a few of you lads should contact john henry and tell him your better than kenny...

Failingthat if you cant see te performances have been better barring te spurs game this season then i dont know what to tell ya... People need to give it time.
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Re: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......
« Reply #2035 on: April 23, 2012, 11:31:57 AM »
Being a bit pedantic, but Suarez only missed 4 league games which works out at roughly 1/10th of the league season.
Bah... you bleedin'... pedant :D
Was thinking 9 games. Oh well... thanks for ruining that part of my point. Back to the drawing board :D

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Re: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......
« Reply #2036 on: April 23, 2012, 11:32:26 AM »
Thought I did add him. Otherwise, one of us needs some new glasses :D

Sorry - I meant that the damage was more than just losing him - the shitstorm around the club was what I meant.. :)

And ever since then the referees have given us shite decision after shite decision after shite decision after shite decision after shite decision after shite decision after shite decision after shite decision after shite decision after shite decision after shite decision.
Football has reached the ninth gate of farce and pathetic, unbelievable trite nonsense. It's supposed to be a game and it's turned into pantomime, hype, quilts and bellends.

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Re: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......
« Reply #2037 on: April 23, 2012, 11:32:28 AM »
Stayed out of here yesterday because all the usual space monkeys would be in harping on about how woeful we are etc etc. 

If you want to call yourself a Liverpool fan then please lose the attitude that you want success now because it isn't going to happen.  We were almost dead and buried not even 2 years ago (short memories on here).  Mass squad overhaul and a new manager who hasn't even had a full season in charge.  The owners came in with a 3-5year plan and nothing's changed.  Kenny himself admits we're not the finished article but a work in progress.  We've got the basis of a great 'squad' in the ranks now and an abundance of young talent that will hopefully be drip fead through the next couple of years.  We're back to being run the way we should be and the stability is there now as well, let's not throw that down the drain because some fickle fans on here want it here and now.  Fuck off and support the mancs if that's what your after.  I'm not a scouser but i am a realist and a liverpool fan and understand what they're trying to do here and working towards.  Work in progress folks adn if you can't accept it get off the train and don't come back but it's gonna be a journey worth having.

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Re: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......
« Reply #2038 on: April 23, 2012, 11:33:45 AM »
I think a few of you lads should contact john henry and tell him your better than kenny...

Or we could discuss it on an Internet messageboard which has been set up specifically for that purpose. Just a thought.

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« Reply #2039 on: April 23, 2012, 11:34:53 AM »
Bah... you bleedin'... pedant :D
Was thinking 9 games. Oh well... thanks for ruining that part of my point. Back to the drawing board :D
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