Topic: Liverpool 0-1 West Brom: Full time......

[essoh]

Yes in my opinion the worse in 37 years or ar'nt I allowed to say that! ffs get a grip and open your eyes whats happening around you you week in week out. We our sitting there saying were unlucky its not luck after 34 games its the players are not good enough, sitters week in week out, we wouldn't accept it under Hodgson so why accept it under Kenny??? 

[Noble Nayudu]

It isnt the 70s anymore mate. Players want to win the top prizes in football. The league and the champions league. Its a fantasy land that foreign players with no connection to the club will accept half the wage they can get somewhere else to play in for a team who arent even challenging for champions league spot never mind the actual champions league

Don't the FA Cup and the League Cup count as prizes? Yes top 4 is a priority but we just cannot ignore these trophies.

[koppy]

Oh what to do, we need to score goals.........the problem of the season agree?
So buying a couple of shit hot strikers should have us winning the league then next season..........ummmm!

Still cant get my head arround this season, as much as I would like to think that buying a couple of strikers that can actually score more than 10 goals in a campaign Im still not convinced with the setup.

So many what ifs being carried into next season, not ideal!

God I hope that we that we turn up at the final, Chlesea are finding form and look formidable at the back.
Im actually getting butterflys all ready and we havnt even kicked a ball........

Ffffpppppphhh........im exausted, mentally tring to figure this out.

[Garcepticon]

Personally, I am beginning to think that Luis is a key part of our goal scoring problem. I say this because he is an incredibly selfish player, for instance, twice in the second half he was in a position to lay a player in but chose to shoot. First he, beautifully, ghosted past two players on the byline and then smashed the ball over the bar when he had options who were better placed, and second he tried to chip Foster when he had come off his line and there were plenty waiting in the box.

If I had to produce a diagram to illustrate my thoughts it would represent a flow chart. The end of the flow chart is Suarez, he is our output; if we create a chance, if we get a corner, if we get a shot on or off target it is usually Suarez who has provided that final touch. That final touch has not been good enough this season. How many times does Suarez win us a corner by playing the ball off a defenders legs, how many times does Suarez take on two people and have a shot? A fucking lot.

The problem we have, as I see it, is that Suarez continuously wastes this end product - yes it looks beautiful at times and I love watching him, but he is not clinical enough. Not only this but Dalglish takes a laissez faire approach to tactics, he gives players freedom (from what I can tell) so Suarez is allowed to do what he wants and what he wants to do is constantly make stuff happen. Neil Atkinson was saying on TAW that sometimes we look like a team that tries to make things happen all the time, and how it reflects our immaturity. I think the phrase was used to describe Charlie Adam but it applies to Suarez as well.

As a final bit of food for thought; some of our most efficient performances this season have been without Suarez, Man City in the semi final of the Carling Cup, Chelsea in the Carling Cup and Blackburn in the PL. Our wasteful games - the Carling Cup final, at Home versus Norwich, Blackburn, Sunderland and United at home have all involved Luis. I am not arguing that we should get rid of Suarez, but I think he needs a little more instruction, he needs to be told that we don't have to score all the time. Nor am I saying that when Suarez plays we are exclusively wasteful, because Bolton at home was clinical and we played with Suarez, but more often that not I think we can draw a correlation between Suarez being the focal point of our attack and extreme profligacy.

[Noble Nayudu]

Yes in my opinion the worse in 37 years or ar'nt I allowed to say that! ffs get a grip and open your eyes whats happening around you you week in week out. We our sitting there saying were unlucky its not luck after 34 games its the players are not good enough, sitters week in week out, we wouldn't accept it under Hodgson so why accept it under Kenny???

I respect your 37 years experience.What are your thoughts on Hodgson who himself had 35 years experience.

[Il Capitano]

but we could have scored 5 or 6.

When? On what fucking day this season has our finishing ever looked good enough to finish off five or six chances in a match? Where are the clear-cut, finishable chances that we create, which would see that many goals scored in one match?

What we have here is the net result of a mindless statistics-based approach to player recruitment. The quality of our attacking play isn't good enough most of the time because the players weren't bought with the right consideration of how they would play as a team - which was an afterthought when anybody can tell you that, in football, it is the most important aspect - but instead on the basis of how many times they can add to a quality-indiscriminate number stat by repeatedly flashing the ball across the box. The policy is just fucking wrong.

[scouse29]

haha, am i not allowed to express an opinion? what gives you the right to decide what is allowed to be said, i thought what the fella said made alot of sense

You did not express an opinion though you just wrote 'spot on'. Someone else expressed it or you.

I dont decide anything.

[hugoboss]

Well your entitled, for me what you put into it in terms of comittment gives a direct correlation of how important it is to you, which is very important, to me in terms of weighting opinion.

Should write down the names of the 45k+ people in the stadium and tell everyone else in the world to go support another team

[seandundee123]

Yes in my opinion the worse in 37 years or ar'nt I allowed to say that! ffs get a grip and open your eyes whats happening around you you week in week out. We our sitting there saying were unlucky its not luck after 34 games its the players are not good enough, sitters week in week out, we wouldn't accept it under Hodgson so why accept it under Kenny???

[geoffstrong]

It isnt the 70s anymore mate. Players want to win the top prizes in football. The league and the champions league. Its a fantasy land that foreign players with no connection to the club will accept half the wage they can get somewhere else to play in for a team who arent even challenging for champions league spot never mind the actual champions league

Lad players wanted to win the top prizes in the seventies and they did here, I find the rest of your post typical and sad and shows what is wrong with modern fan mentality!

[TSC]

spot on

New poster blueshite infliltrator alert

[rowan_d]

Alternatively, we could improve our scouting and unearth hidden gems like the guys at Newcastle seem able to do.  You don't have to spend a fortune on the likes of Cavani or Hazard.

Let's be honest, the likes of Cabaye, Cisse and Ba were hardly plucked from some second decision Hungarian team's reserves, they'd been suggested by multiple people on this very forum. Newcastle's team is a result of smart scouting and buying the right players, rather than the most British ones

[Robbie_9]

Yes in my opinion the worse in 37 years or ar'nt I allowed to say that! ffs get a grip and open your eyes whats happening around you you week in week out. We our sitting there saying were unlucky its not luck after 34 games its the players are not good enough, sitters week in week out, we wouldn't accept it under Hodgson so why accept it under Kenny???

Take a look at the football played under Hodgson and the football played under Dalglish you fucking wum.

[Easy]

One of my closest mates is an Arsenal fan told me numerous times he would swap the opportunity of a cup double with champions league football.

He's talking from the priviledged position of having qualified for the CL for the last dozen years without exception and he'd like a trophy for a change. Give him 3 years in a row outside the CL places and then see how he feels.

I know Arsenal fans too, and whilst they'd like to win a domestic cup to get the monkey off their back they know that the CL is the place to be for so many reasons. If they hadn't played in Europe this season I'm sure they too would have expected to be challenging for domestic trophies - but they want top 4 first, domestic cups second.

[the good half]

Its been a shocking season in the league.
Lets be honest.

But all those games at home that we clutched draws or defeats from the mouth of victory tells me that with a few tweaks we'd be right up there. Dalglish needs to say, ok - some of these buys are not good enough to make the push up - but he has to be the man to make the changes, right? Surely.

If the very obvious shortcomings arent addressed, then FSG will make the necessary changes - but that has to be at least this time next year. Not now or in May. No way.

[Cormack Snr]

& if there weren't so many c*nts Rafa would be

Rafa deserved to go in the end, unlike now we were playing shite football. The likes of Reading in the cup and many league games we were second best. People have forgotten how poor we were in Rafa's final months, for all our poor results this season not many teams have been the better team. A decent goalscorer next season and we can be a different team.

[scouse29]

Yes in my opinion the worse in 37 years or ar'nt I allowed to say that! ffs get a grip and open your eyes whats happening around you you week in week out. We our sitting there saying were unlucky its not luck after 34 games its the players are not good enough, sitters week in week out, we wouldn't accept it under Hodgson so why accept it under Kenny??? 

So last week was the worst moment in 37 years of following Liverpool? I would rank last Saturday up there with one of the best?

[tommyLFC]

Yes in my opinion the worse in 37 years or ar'nt I allowed to say that! ffs get a grip and open your eyes whats happening around you you week in week out. We our sitting there saying were unlucky its not luck after 34 games its the players are not good enough, sitters week in week out, we wouldn't accept it under Hodgson so why accept it under Kenny???

I think we should stop comparing Kenny and Hodgson, it's very disrespectful to Kenny.

Listen it's not our decision to make, it's on the owners. In the meantime we have 3 league games and a Cup Final. Lets all get behind the manager and players eh?

[catch your balls dorris]

top 5 Rawk clichés

"From memory"

"at the end of the day"

"rafa was fantastic, but"

"Hodgson was awful, but"

"in my honest opinion"

[L666KOP]

Yes in my opinion the worse in 37 years or ar'nt I allowed to say that! ffs get a grip and open your eyes whats happening around you you week in week out. We our sitting there saying were unlucky its not luck after 34 games its the players are not good enough, sitters week in week out, we wouldn't accept it under Hodgson so why accept it under Kenny???

I'll take no notice from someone who failed to spell 'shoes' correctly when filling in the username box on his RAWK application.

[seandundee123]

You did not express an opinion though you just wrote 'spot on'. Someone else expressed it or you.

I dont decide anything.

it is my opinion that what was posted reflected my feelings perfectly.

[Suarez 7]

Lad players wanted to win the top prizes in the seventies and they did here, I find the rest of your post typical and sad and shows what is wrong with modern fan mentality!

What, stating facts?

Because whether you like it or not, football has changed. And it seems a vast number of our older fans refuse to accept it.

[bigbear]

When? On what fucking day this season has our finishing ever looked good enough to finish off five or six chances in a match? Where are the clear-cut, finishable chances that we create, which would see that many goals scored in one match?

What we have here is the net result of a mindless statistics-based approach to player recruitment. The quality of our attacking play isn't good enough most of the time because the players weren't bought with the right consideration of how they would play as a team - which was an afterthought when anybody can tell you that, in football, it is the most important aspect - but instead on the basis of how many times they can add to a quality-indiscriminate number stat by repeatedly flashing the ball across the box. The policy is just fucking wrong.

I listed the clear cut chances before. We had 7 or 8 clear cut chances to score today.

The problem with never taking a chance is that a side never has to come out and leave us space to play in behind them. Had Kuyt scored the early chance we'd have probably won comfortably but we constantly miss them. The finishing is awful.

[Circa1892]

I can't remember getting excited about a piece of skill from one of our players bar Suarez, or getting out of my seat for an outrageously good pass.

But the thing I miss most is the Mascherano style tackles. I'd kill to see one our players cover 40yards at full speed before making a perfectly timed tackle. Fuck they were good. And something we really miss.

Lucas can do that. See his tackle on Toure the weekend before he got injured.

That boy was immense. If he comes back at the same level he'll be a massive player.

[Melbred]

I'll take no notice from someone who failed to spell 'shoes' correctly when filling in the username box on his RAWK application.

 

[rowan_d]

Lad players wanted to win the top prizes in the seventies and they did here, I find the rest of your post typical and sad and shows what is wrong with modern fan mentality!

How is that a problem with the fan mentality? All he's done is described the way football actually works, rather than the way we wish it worked, where players move to us because of who we are rather than what we are. Players want to win things, particularly leagues and the Champions League. They'll think us more likely to win things if we come higher in the league. The players who have those things at the top of their list of priorities are hardly likely to want to move to a midtable team off the back of a Carling Cup win are they, as nice as that was?

[Easy]

Lad players wanted to win the top prizes in the seventies and they did here, I find the rest of your post typical and sad and shows what is wrong with modern fan mentality!

I think it's the modern players mentality that has changed. The fans recognise this too and respond accordingly.

[Marty 85]

I can't remember getting excited about a piece of skill from one of our players bar Suarez, or getting out of my seat for an outrageously good pass.

But the thing I miss most is the Mascherano style tackles. I'd kill to see one our players cover 40yards at full speed before making a perfectly timed tackle. Fuck they were good. And something we really miss.

Henderson vs

Alternatively, we could improve our scouting and unearth hidden gems like the guys at Newcastle seem able to do.  You don't have to spend a fortune on the likes of Cavani or Hazard.

Cissa and Ba are hardly hidden gems. Cisse scored 22 goals in the Bundesliga last year. The quality was there, there was just question marks over their fitness and temperament.

[Suarez 7]

Rafa deserved to go in the end

Horseshit.

[seandundee123]

New poster blueshite infliltrator alert

haha, im a blue because i think dalglish should leave at the end of the season? so if id said the same after i got back from wolves at home last season under hodgson last season id be a blue? 

[koppy]

The Reds have hit the woodwork 28 times in the league this season - seven more than any other side.

If Liverpool avoid defeat, they will go three matches unbeaten for the first time this calendar year.

The Baggies have taken just one point from their last four away matches.

Albion's last victory at Anfield was exactly 45 years ago.

[L666KOP]

Horseshit.

Correct, it was the right time for him to go.
Deserved, no.

[gregorio]

Yes in my opinion the worse in 37 years or ar'nt I allowed to say that! ffs get a grip and open your eyes whats happening around you you week in week out. We our sitting there saying were unlucky its not luck after 34 games its the players are not good enough, sitters week in week out, we wouldn't accept it under Hodgson so why accept it under Kenny???

and of course you are entitled to it, but for me the overall feeling is better than 92 - 94, can remember being at some pretty dire games against the likes of Wimbledon ,Palace, Chelsea (who for the young'uns were pretty shit in those days)

I suppose the difference was our home form was still pretty good but away we were absolutely appalling

[TSC]

Yes in my opinion the worse in 37 years or ar'nt I allowed to say that! ffs get a grip and open your eyes whats happening around you you week in week out. We our sitting there saying were unlucky its not luck after 34 games its the players are not good enough, sitters week in week out, we wouldn't accept it under Hodgson so why accept it under Kenny??? 

Well here's a start.  We've won a cup and beat the blueshite last week to go to another final.  Neither of those have happened in the last 6 seasons.  So now do you see how silly your view re the worst in 37 yrs sounds?

[Sat1]

Rafa deserved to go in the end, unlike now we were playing shite football. The likes of Reading in the cup and many league games we were second best. People have forgotten how poor we were in Rafa's final months, for all our poor results this season not many teams have been the better team. A decent goalscorer next season and we can be a different team.

so one bad season and the manager deserves to go.

Brilliant. You really did deserve roy

[tommyLFC]

top 5 Rawk clichés

"From memory"

"at the end of the day"

"rafa was fantastic, but"

"Hodgson was awful, but"

"in my honest opinion"

"I trust the manager but Dani Pacheco Raheem Sterling is ready for the first team..."

[jfc]

Yes in my opinion the worse in 37 years or ar'nt I allowed to say that! ffs get a grip and open your eyes whats happening around you you week in week out. We our sitting there saying were unlucky its not luck after 34 games its the players are not good enough, sitters week in week out, we wouldn't accept it under Hodgson so why accept it under Kenny??? 

we never even missed sitters under roy as we hardly even created anything in games, we never dominated a game and passed the ball around, effectively , we had no tempo and the tactics were shambolic. today was alot about poor finishing and luck to me, I can't really criticise kenny to much for today

[Matt8Pie]

Rafa deserved to go in the end, unlike now we were playing shite football. The likes of Reading in the cup and many league games we were second best. People have forgotten how poor we were in Rafa's final months, for all our poor results this season not many teams have been the better team. A decent goalscorer next season and we can be a different team.

Did he fuck deserve to go. What a load of bollocks.

[Noble Nayudu]

top 5 Rawk clichés

"From memory"

"at the end of the day"

"rafa was fantastic, but"

"Hodgson was awful, but"

"in my honest opinion"

"I think (insert any manager) needs to go"

[Cochise]

We play good footy. We create chance after chance after chance but the finishing has been average all season. Get a striker who'll score and a midfielder who can bag us 10-15 goals a season(we have one now bu het has been criminally under used by Kenny on par with how Litmanen was by Ged) and we'll be rockin.

The future could be bright.