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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4000 on: April 14, 2012, 04:15:51 PM »
During the game today just before he came according to the commentator, the owners were questioning why Maxi hasn't been used more often. Where has that story come from?

I thought he said "I'm sure they'll be questioning..." like most of us are.
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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4001 on: April 14, 2012, 04:17:57 PM »
I thought he said "I'm sure they'll be questioning..." like most of us are.

Nope. According to him thats what the owners were asking. Waddle straight after said Maxi doesn't impress him.


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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4002 on: April 14, 2012, 04:19:11 PM »
Nope. According to him thats what the owners were asking. Waddle straight after said Maxi doesn't impress him.

Oh, really? Well, it's a good question to be bloody asking!

Waddle said Maxi "doesn't catch his eye" but what does he know?
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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4003 on: April 14, 2012, 04:30:48 PM »
What an post of utter utter bellendry.
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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4004 on: April 14, 2012, 04:33:02 PM »
Do you in any way feel a bit of a tool now?

No. I am happy that we won, especially I am happy for Carroll who deserved this in regards to the effort he put in recently. His qualities as a striker are a different issue to discuss though..

The performance was the same as the entire season. If we go on like this, the next one won´t be any different. If you are happy with this, that line ups are decided not on the performance and quality of players, that the squad is put together without a sight on having the best possible players around for the next game/season, then probably you don´t wish the best for our football either.

We depend on two players, Maxi and Bellamy, without playing them, which sums it up for me.

In terms of the football being played so far, todays performance by our regulars wasn´t any different and it just reflects what is going on behind the scenes.

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4005 on: April 14, 2012, 04:36:30 PM »
During the game today just before he came according to the commentator, the owners were questioning why Maxi hasn't been used more often. Where has that story come from?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9201181/Damien-Comollis-sacking-at-Liverpool-should-serve-as-a-warning-for-manager-Kenny-Dalglish.html

They’ve even questioned why certain players, such as popular midfielder Maxi Rodriguez, have rarely played despite his obvious goalscoring threat. Rodriguez’s two goals against Blackburn in midweek now look more relevant than they seemed at the time.

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4006 on: April 14, 2012, 04:50:24 PM »
When I saw the line up I wanted to cry cause I realised that Comolli was only a small part of the problem.

Our club is rotten and there are obviously too many people putting their own interests before as there is no other way to explain what is going on on the pitch and in terms of squad management since summer.

This week, these last two games showed that the owners should be around more often and try to take care of the club more closely. The people they trust so far are not good for the football decisions and it has to stop otherwise we will find ourselves in very serious troubles.

I have a lot of respect of Kenny as a legend so I will stay silent on this. But he lost me during this last week. I am not angry, I just feel empty and I hope the owners will be clever enough and adviced in a way to find the best way for our club.


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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4007 on: April 14, 2012, 04:52:45 PM »
Oh and sacking Comolli made such an impact on the players today didn't it?
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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4008 on: April 14, 2012, 04:53:50 PM »
I see Mick McCarthy was atthe game today. New DOF maybe? :hally

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4009 on: April 14, 2012, 04:55:42 PM »
Oh and sacking Comolli made such an impact on the players today didn't it?

ha ha. Who was saying that? ha ha.

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4010 on: April 14, 2012, 04:58:02 PM »
The one good thing about Waddle is when he is talking that agenda based twat Champion isnt.

 Loved the way his usual target for snide remarks Andy shoved his words right down his throat!
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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4011 on: April 14, 2012, 05:00:07 PM »
ha ha. Who was saying that? ha ha.

Carroll gift to Comolli - the sitter miss  ;D

Read back through this thread.  Apparently sacking Comolli would affect the players and destroy them mentally despite them playing at Wembley, in an FA Cup semi-final, against Everton, on the eve of the Hillsborough anniversary.

There must be a conjunction of the stars and moon because the levels of bellendery have been reaching new levels lately.
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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4012 on: April 14, 2012, 05:02:49 PM »
My impression is that the main problem was a disagreement over the plan for transfers in the summer rather than necessarily past success/failure.  I think it probably came down to whether the overall plan would change this summer (more kids or concentrating on success in the short term ((Champions league next year)) or changing the stats used) or not.  I have no idea whether the owners wanted a change or it was Comolli but I would guess that Comolli wanted to stick with his plans .  Dalglish seemed genuinely surprised and disappointed by the move.

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4013 on: April 14, 2012, 05:17:49 PM »
It's clear none of us have the slightest clue what the role of the DOF is meant to do at our club. But if it were split, so someone else was handling the finances etc, and it was purely that we wanted an intelligent articulate man, who is good with the press, understands the game, and could take some of the spotlight off Kenny, wouldn't it be great if that man could be John Barnes.

I know it'll never happen, but seeing him today on ESPN, I just think he's boss in every way and I'd love to see him given a proper role at the club.

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4014 on: April 14, 2012, 05:44:05 PM »
What happened to John Achterberg leaving? Definitely saw him at the end with Brad Jones after he had his interview with ESPN. Leaving at the end of the season?

I have heard that Valero will be back next season, his Inter contract expires this summer....guess we'll see.

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4015 on: April 14, 2012, 05:46:00 PM »
Read back through this thread.  Apparently sacking Comolli would affect the players and destroy them mentally despite them playing at Wembley, in an FA Cup semi-final, against Everton, on the eve of the Hillsborough anniversary.

There must be a conjunction of the stars and moon because the levels of bellendery have been reaching new levels lately.

To be fair, they did look soft in the first half.

Would of got a belting at half time from Kenny as they looked determined after that. Then again, it's the Liverpool way to concede first and fight for the win. Who knows. 2-1. All that matters. :P
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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4016 on: April 14, 2012, 05:57:37 PM »
To be fair, they did look soft in the first half.

Would of got a belting at half time from Kenny as they looked determined after that. Then again, it's the Liverpool way to concede first and fight for the win. Who knows. 2-1. All that matters. :P

Sacking Comolli had no impact on the players whatsoever. End of story.
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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4017 on: April 14, 2012, 05:59:41 PM »
It's clear none of us have the slightest clue what the role of the DOF is meant to do at our club. But if it were split, so someone else was handling the finances etc, and it was purely that we wanted an intelligent articulate man, who is good with the press, understands the game, and could take some of the spotlight off Kenny, wouldn't it be great if that man could be John Barnes.

I know it'll never happen, but seeing him today on ESPN, I just think he's boss in every way and I'd love to see him given a proper role at the club.

I think a lot of people understand what a director football does but Digger is not the right person for that role.
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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4018 on: April 14, 2012, 06:03:37 PM »
On the evidence of today Achterberg  is still first team goalkeeper coach with the club.

 He was on the pitch at the end of the game congratulating and being hugged by the players.

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4019 on: April 14, 2012, 06:06:06 PM »
On the evidence of today Achterberg  is still first team goalkeeper coach with the club.

 He was on the pitch at the end of the game congratulating and being hugged by the players.

Well, Bruckner's staying on until the end of the season, so Achterberg could be in the same situation.

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4020 on: April 14, 2012, 06:11:16 PM »
Oh and sacking Comolli made such an impact on the players today didn't it?
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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4021 on: April 14, 2012, 06:17:13 PM »
Maxi would have buried that chance today if Comolli was still at the club. Comolli gets sacked = post hit.

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« Reply #4022 on: April 14, 2012, 06:19:45 PM »
Oh and sacking Comolli made such an impact on the players today didn't it?

I think the players won it for Comolli today.

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4023 on: April 14, 2012, 06:20:21 PM »
I have heard that Valero will be back next season, his Inter contract expires this summer....guess we'll see.

I really hope that does happen, would be great to have him back

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4024 on: April 14, 2012, 06:23:34 PM »
I think players won this game for Liverpool FC today.. :tosser

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4025 on: April 14, 2012, 07:26:47 PM »
I think players won this game for Liverpool FC today.. :tosser

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4026 on: April 14, 2012, 07:35:04 PM »
Sacking Comolli had no impact on the players whatsoever. End of story.

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4027 on: April 14, 2012, 07:52:34 PM »
Comolli was the director of football, Kenny is the manager. It's about where the buck stops and for football transfers, the buck stops with the DoF. No one is saying that Kenny doesn't share some responsibility for the transfers but the DoF carries the can.

In readiing what was said by everyone in interviews on this subject, I got the distinct impression that Comolli was dismissed because FSG felt that he didn't do enough to "fight their corner" in terms of imposing their "transfer strategy" against Kenny's specified transfer targets that might not have been consistent with the owners' stated objectives (i.e.: purchasing older players with limited sell-on potential such as Charlie Adam). At least that's the way it sounds to me. If he had turned up a younger, up-and-coming alternative to Bonnie Prince Charlie, he may still be employed. After all, Rule #1= The bosses are always right! (Do as you're told).

I don't think that the owners have the cojones to take on the legend that is King Kenny now that he is re-established in the club. They were hoping to hire a brave knight to slay that particular dragon for them if and when it became necessary, and are disappointed that Comolli didn't turn out to be the one to do that for them. They don't seem to tolerate being disappointed. I hope that Kenny is paying attention to the goings-on around him. ;)
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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4028 on: April 14, 2012, 07:54:56 PM »
In readiing what was said by everyone in interviews on this subject, I got the distinct impression that Comolli was dismissed because FSG felt that he didn't do enough to "fight their corner" in terms of imposing their "transfer strategy" against Kenny's specified transfer targets that might not have been consistent with the owners' stated objectives (i.e.: purchasing older players with limited sell-on potential such as Charlie Adam). At least that's the way it sounds to me. If he had turned up a younger, up-and-coming alternative to Bonnie Prince Charlie, he may still be employed. After all, Rule #1= The bosses are always right! (Do as you're told).

I don't think that the owners have the cojones to take on the legend that is King Kenny now that he is re-established in the club. They were hoping to hire a brave knight to slay that particular dragon for them if and when it became necessary, and are disappointed that Comolli didn't turn out to be the one to do that for them. They don't seem to tolerate being disappointed. I hope that Kenny is paying attention to the goings-on around him. ;)

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4029 on: April 14, 2012, 07:57:01 PM »
In readiing what was said by everyone in interviews on this subject, I got the distinct impression that Comolli was dismissed because FSG felt that he didn't do enough to "fight their corner" in terms of imposing their "transfer strategy" against Kenny's specified transfer targets that might not have been consistent with the owners' stated objectives (i.e.: purchasing older players with limited sell-on potential such as Charlie Adam). At least that's the way it sounds to me. If he had turned up a younger, up-and-coming alternative to Bonnie Prince Charlie, he may still be employed. After all, Rule #1= The bosses are always right! (Do as you're told).

I don't think that the owners have the cojones to take on the legend that is King Kenny now that he is re-established in the club. They were hoping to hire a brave knight to slay that particular dragon for them if and when it became necessary, and are disappointed that Comolli didn't turn out to be the one to do that for them. They don't seem to tolerate being disappointed. I hope that Kenny is paying attention to the goings-on around him. ;)

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4030 on: April 14, 2012, 08:42:39 PM »
I'm inclined to go with, was it Tony Evan's view?, based on what seemed to be broadcast when they first came in. The owners are looking for value for money across time in general, though are willing to spend big if it will make a huge difference fairly immediately. So they let Commolli spend big quite broadly in getting his and KD's initial targets, given that they're told there is much rebuilding to do, but they expect big return from those big transfers on the pitch—if you're going to spend big it must make a significant immediate difference. When it hasn't and the best that can be hoped is that those players come good over time, which is what they expect from more reasonably priced moneyball type purchases, the bloke who does the negotiating with our own manager, players and other clubs, gets told he isn't doing it right given their ownership strategy and fired. The reason KD isn't held responsible is that he didn't negotiate prices and contracts, and that these big money players are not being totally written off by the owners, it is just that they haven't lived up to the purchasing strategy, (ie, clever spending with the occasional splurge for a particular role or reason) which is not, in our owners' view, the manger's job (it is the "GM's"). 

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« Reply #4031 on: April 14, 2012, 08:46:40 PM »
I'm inclined to go with, was it Tony Evan's view?, based on what seemed to be broadcast when they first came in. The owners are looking for value for money across time in general, though are willing to spend big if it will make a huge difference fairly immediately. So they let Commolli spend big quite broadly in getting his and KD's initial targets, given that they're told there is much rebuilding to do, but they expect big return from those big transfers on the pitch—if you're going to spend big it must make a significant immediate difference. When it hasn't and the best that can be hoped is that those players come good over time, which is what they expect from more reasonably priced moneyball type purchases, the bloke who does the negotiating with our own manager, players and other clubs, gets told he isn't doing it right given their ownership strategy and fired. The reason KD isn't held responsible is that he didn't negotiate prices and contracts, and that these big money players are not being totally written off by the owners, it is just that they haven't lived up to the purchasing strategy, (ie, clever spending with the occasional splurge for a particular role or reason) which is not, in our owners' view, the manger's job (it is the "GM's"). 

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4032 on: April 14, 2012, 08:49:13 PM »
I think a lot of people understand what a director football does but Digger is not the right person for that role.
Agree - most of us know what a DOF does, but I don't really know what  comolli was doing. It doesn't seem to be the role you see elsewhere on the continent, and I think many of us were confused whether comolli was a scout, a link with the owners, an overseer of the Kenny's signings, all of the above, or much more or much less. I'm not sure we've ever had that clarity of what his day to day job was, or his long term vision..

Because in my eyes, a DOF should oversee the entire development of the football side of things - from youth development to getting those players into the first team. Should assess whether the player the manager wants is getting value for money, to ensure continuity if the club changes coaches etc etc. If Comolli was given that role, then it's no wonder he didn't last because he patently didn't have the experience to do the job.

As regards to Barnes, if you read what I said again, it was more of a misty -eyed wish that he could be more involved with the club. I guess it would be more of a PR position because he speaks really well and intelligently on all range of subjects imho.

But I agree, if we're looking for a proper DOF who oversees all the things I just mentioned and does a root and branch overhaul of our footballing philosophy, then he isn't that man. But I don't think there are many candidates out there with the right credentials, which is why I think that position has floundered in the clubs in England where it has been employed.

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4033 on: April 14, 2012, 08:49:55 PM »
Isn't this Txiki Begiristain link just product of a 'vague' (at best) newspaper article (mentioned by Ben Smith, BBC)?

Supposedly Txiki has rejected a number of offers since leaving Barcelona in the summer of 2010 (left more or less due to political reasons, namely former president Joan Laporta). Even if he would be interested in working in England, wouldn't Chelsea be his preferred destination, with 'all their money'? Moreover, there's actually been rumours of Chelsea trying to get him for months, while the Liverpool link pretty much was a journalist speculating in former directors of football currently unemployed.

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4034 on: April 14, 2012, 08:52:45 PM »
I've got to be honest, I completely forgot about this today. I don't think it'll have too much of a problem on the pitch.

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4035 on: April 14, 2012, 08:56:29 PM »
If a Comolli gets it right his influence will usually be felt two or three years down the line, what Comolli has totally failed to grasp whether at Spurs, St Etienne or Liverpool is that Football is played in the here and now. What happens in the here and now allows you the privilege of seeing what happens in two or three years time.

Being able to spot who will be a good player in two or three years time and being able to integrate those players into the current team without a drop off in performance are two completely different things. Sadly that is why Ferguson is a genius and why Comoli is a fraud.
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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4036 on: April 14, 2012, 08:59:42 PM »
Was a bit disappointed with Barnes comments today. Went off on one about British desire and fight being more important than foreign quality. Like the most fight this season has been shown by Agger, Skertl, Lucas and Pepe. The first real fight we saw from the English lads was this week against Blackburn. Why is racism wrong but xenophobia perfectly acceptable?
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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4037 on: April 14, 2012, 09:51:19 PM »
If a Comolli gets it right his influence will usually be felt two or three years down the line, what Comolli has totally failed to grasp whether at Spurs, St Etienne or Liverpool is that Football is played in the here and now. What happens in the here and now allows you the privilege of seeing what happens in two or three years time.

Being able to spot who will be a good player in two or three years time and being able to integrate those players into the current team without a drop off in performance are two completely different things. Sadly that is why Ferguson is a genius and why Comoli is a fraud.

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4038 on: April 14, 2012, 10:17:57 PM »
Oh and sacking Comolli made such an impact on the players today didn't it?

There was more spirit than Wigan, Villa, QPR, Newcastle!!!

Is that all you can do, sarcasm?

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Re: Comolli and Bruckner leave by mutual consent
« Reply #4039 on: April 14, 2012, 10:31:39 PM »
I read shit.