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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #80 on: April 11, 2012, 12:03:09 PM »
Must be in the running for worst thread title in the history of RAWK. 

Sorry, make that in the history of internet forums.

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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #81 on: April 11, 2012, 12:04:22 PM »
not every manager knows how to use him, except Rafa and probably Mourinho...he admitted so many times that he likes to jerk off watching him
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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #82 on: April 11, 2012, 12:05:29 PM »
Well said. It's not Gerrard's fault that not many others in our squad can take responsibility like him.

It is if he constantly demands the ball wherever he is and then sulks if he doesn't get it.
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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #83 on: April 11, 2012, 12:06:08 PM »
Must be in the running for worst thread title in the history of RAWK. 

Sorry, make that in the history of internet forums.


See that's the strange thing. People can slag off every Liverpool player going - past, present and future. They can bang on about shite endlessly.

And that's fine.

But say one or two objective things about Gerrard and that's really, really bad.



Amazingly some people support the team more than one player. I don't support Gerrard FC. If he is playing well and deserves a place in the side then great! Made up! Because the club I support is benefitting. If he isn't playing well or the team aren't playing well around him or he's letting people run past him with no challenges or he's having bad games then you can comment on it. As people are very fond of saying - this is a forum and it's there to discuss stuff.


Just because some of you have some kind of hero-worship 'Player bigger than the club' thing going on doesn't mean that people can't discuss it.
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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #84 on: April 11, 2012, 12:07:17 PM »
It is if he constantly demands the ball wherever he is and then sulks if he doesn't get it.

Correct. And you'd be astonished how many people just can't see it. Same with him standing there watching people running past him. They just can't see it.

When he does stupid passes they don't see it. When he demands the ball in stupid positions they just don't see it. When he runs out of position to get the ball then loses it and doesn't get back into position they just don't see it.
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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #85 on: April 11, 2012, 12:08:03 PM »
Interesting stats? Just can't agree with that. I don't know much about statistics, but if there one thing I do know, it is that correlation does not imply causation (as Wilson claims it does). If you could prove that Henderson can't tackle because Gerrard happens to be on the pitch, then that certainly would be quite interesting, but as there is no proof whatsoever of that, it's pointless. Stats, in relation to football and individual performances, almost always are. They disregard the other 21 players on the pitch, or any number of factors you could come up with that influence a game.

True they can't demonstrate a causal link.  One thing these stats do achieve though is to give lie to the media myth that we are a one man team and that we can't function without our 'Captain Marvel'. We clearly can and do, perform without him in the team.

What can't be disputed though is that he has on more than one famous occasion dragged us out of the mire with his ability to conjure up spectacular and game-changing goals and this is what sets him apart and makes him 'world-class'.   The key for Kenny, as other posters have already said, is how best to accommodate him in the line-up, especially given the fact that he is 30+ and prone to injury.  On the right of a front three or just in behind the striker are the obvious places.

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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #86 on: April 11, 2012, 12:13:31 PM »
Correct. And you'd be astonished how many people just can't see it. Same with him standing there watching people running past him. They just can't see it.

When he does stupid passes they don't see it. When he demands the ball in stupid positions they just don't see it. When he runs out of position to get the ball then loses it and doesn't get back into position they just don't see it.

Completely blinded by his one Napoli or Everton performance a season. The sad truth is that for the last two and a half years he has contributed very little. He spent 2010 sulking blaming two different managers and refusing to commit his future to the Club, 2011 he started a paltry 8 League games and 2012 the more he plays the worse the results are we have had one League win all season in games that Gerrard has started.

We should rest him keep him 100% and pick and choose his games and look to get the best out of him by playing him as close to the opposition goal as possible.
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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #87 on: April 11, 2012, 12:14:54 PM »
Correct. And you'd be astonished how many people just can't see it. Same with him standing there watching people running past him. They just can't see it.

When he does stupid passes they don't see it. When he demands the ball in stupid positions they just don't see it. When he runs out of position to get the ball then loses it and doesn't get back into position they just don't see it.

Not true, everyone has a day at work where they can not be arsed, I do not worship Gerrard,I just feel that he has done the hard yards and has pulled the club by the scruff of the neck enough times to have my support and respect.

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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #88 on: April 11, 2012, 12:20:07 PM »
We've just been using him wrong.



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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #89 on: April 11, 2012, 12:22:21 PM »
Not true, everyone has a day at work where they can not be arsed, I do not worship Gerrard,I just feel that he has done the hard yards and has pulled the club by the scruff of the neck enough times to have my support and respect.

That's fine and you are entitled to that view.

Personally I am interested in the team doing well. I'm not overly bothered by the personnel as long as they are up to the job, not sulking, playing to their strengths and the strengths of the players around them and do a shift in every single game. That's giving 100%. If they aren't then questions need to be asked. And across all the topics all of the players get routinely and regularly discussed and their performances analysed. Except usually Gerrard. When you look at him then people pop up saying "You can't say that" "Worst thread ever!!" and "Leave Stevie G alone!!!!"

The fact is that for three years he's been far from his best. Yes he's had the odd game (Everton this season, Napoli a season or two ago) where he's looked world class. But in many games he looks tired, leggy, disinterested and previously he's looked no arsed and sulky.

IF he can get back to his best then great. IF he can't then if we can find a way he benefits the team then great.

But there's nothing wrong with discussing his bad performances and limitations.
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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #90 on: April 11, 2012, 12:22:37 PM »
I love Steven Gerrard the footballer. I don't even know Steven Gerrard the fella, but, for some reason, I don't like the lad. Weird. Can't get me own head round it, never mind anyone elses. My first idol in a Liverpool shirt was Peter Thompson. I still love that fella to this day, but I don't know him either and Steven Gerrard is a much better footballer than Thommo ever was. In fact, Steven Gerrard is the best footballer I have ever seen in a Liverpool shirt and he's done more for this club than most because he has, at times, carried the club along single handidly. Still, I don't like the fella. Weird that. There is something definetly wrong with my head, but there must be some reason for thinking like that.
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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #91 on: April 11, 2012, 12:22:55 PM »
It is if he constantly demands the ball wherever he is and then sulks if he doesn't get it.

Surely a stronger minded player would choose to do what they saw best fits, ala Suarez than pass the buck to Gerrard?

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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #92 on: April 11, 2012, 12:25:06 PM »
Surely a stronger minded player would choose to do what they saw best fits, ala Suarez than pass the buck to Gerrard?

Never noticed him going bananas when he doesn't get it when he demands it?

If you were a club player you'd refuse to pass to your captain when he was screaming at you to do so and knowing that he'd go apeshit on you if you didn't?
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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #93 on: April 11, 2012, 12:27:27 PM »
Gerrard in an Advanced position is worth his weight in Gold. 10/10

Gerrard at CM is a waste of a great attacker and throws the teams balance well off. 5/10

Exactly. Second striker role and he's dynamite, he'll cause havoc and he'll score goals or make opportunities. Watching him in central midfield is excrutiating, he isn't effective there and he doesn't help the team there at all.

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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #94 on: April 11, 2012, 12:27:43 PM »
Never noticed him going bananas when he doesn't get it when he demands it?

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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #95 on: April 11, 2012, 12:28:53 PM »
Completely blinded by his one Napoli or Everton performance a season. The sad truth is that for the last two and a half years he has contributed very little. He spent 2010 sulking blaming two different managers and refusing to commit his future to the Club, 2011 he started a paltry 8 League games and 2012 the more he plays the worse the results are we have had one League win all season in games that Gerrard has started.

We should rest him keep him 100% and pick and choose his games and look to get the best out of him by playing him as close to the opposition goal as possible.

Yeah I would hope for the same thing. His performances in recent seasons have been relatively poor and that's with him playing in his preferred CM spot. We should be building a team that doesn't include him and be picking and choosing which games to play him in and then as you say, be playing him in a more advanced role.
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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #96 on: April 11, 2012, 12:31:20 PM »
I love Steven Gerrard the footballer. I don't even know Steven Gerrard the fella, but, for some reason, I don't like the lad. Weird. Can't get me own head round it, never mind anyone elses. My first idol in a Liverpool shirt was Peter Thompson. I still love that fella to this day, but I don't know him either and Steven Gerrard is a much better footballer than Thommo ever was. In fact, Steven Gerrard is the best footballer I have ever seen in a Liverpool shirt and he's done more for this club than most because he has, at times, carried the club along single handidly. Still, I don't like the fella. Weird that. There is something definetly wrong with my head, but there must be some reason for thinking like that.

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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #97 on: April 11, 2012, 12:36:56 PM »
Never noticed him going bananas when he doesn't get it when he demands it?

If you were a club player you'd refuse to pass to your captain when he was screaming at you to do so and knowing that he'd go apeshit on you if you didn't?

Until we get a ready made replacement or Shelvey develops further, I find it quite strange people are talking about Gerrard after one victory.

As good as yesterday until the sending off was, we don't have anyone capable to fill his shoes goal scoring wise.

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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #98 on: April 11, 2012, 12:37:14 PM »
Yeah I would hope for the same thing. His performances in recent seasons have been relatively poor and that's with him playing in his preferred CM spot. We should be building a team that doesn't include him and be picking and choosing which games to play him in and then as you say, be playing him in a more advanced role.

I hate this notion that he should be playing deeper as he gets older, why? Central midfield can't just be learnt at that age and he has to do some much more running and has less of an effect on our game and disjoints the whole team. He doesn't play like a playmaker in central midfield, he's too direct and he'll force it too often. Behind the striker its less off a problem and funnily enough he picks moments far better when to play the killer pass. I recommend everyone read yorkykopites thread, gerrard unbound in the opinions section of the forum.

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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #99 on: April 11, 2012, 12:37:25 PM »
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Not really. It's very strange if anything, but that's the truth. I just don't like the lad. I'd admire his skills as a footballer. I know how brilliant he is, and I thank him for all he's done for LFC. But I wouldn't want to go for a pint with him.
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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #100 on: April 11, 2012, 12:39:23 PM »
Until we get a ready made replacement or Shelvey develops further, I find it quite strange people are talking about Gerrard after one victory.

As good as yesterday until the sending off was, we don't have anyone capable to fill his shoes goal scoring wise.
See myself I see Shelvey as the player who we should play instead of Gerrard in midfield.

Gerrard should play with Carroll and Suarez up top.
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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #101 on: April 11, 2012, 12:40:24 PM »
See myself I see Shelvey as the player who we should play instead of Gerrard in midfield.

Gerrard should play with Carroll and Suarez up top.

I agree but I have no idea why Kenny doesn't do that

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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #102 on: April 11, 2012, 12:43:12 PM »
He's not playing the same way this year because he's in the wrong position, Defensive Midfield. If we push him up to Attacking Midfield or even Right Wing, i'm sure we'd see a goal scoring Stevie again.
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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #103 on: April 11, 2012, 12:43:27 PM »
Sometimes he frustrates me and I think he is a moody player, still think he has something to offer and hopefully with Lucas back he can show that. I have no problem with people having a go at him, that is there right.

Also Andy I like the team to do well as well funny enough. That is all that matters to me, but sometimes people have a agenda against our captain.

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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #104 on: April 11, 2012, 12:43:47 PM »
Gerrard is good for LFC. The thing is, as with every other player, we need to find the best role for him. This season we have moved a lot of players around and we haven't had the consistency we need. We haven't really gone with what works either. Maxi vs Downing? Point being it's not just Gerrard we have struggled to get the most from.

It's a bit strange that we haven't gone with Gerrard in the supporting striker role, or at least as one of the 3 in the 4-2-3-1 we're supposed to build things around. Playing Gerrard deep is a real waste. Have him break into the box, just as Benitez said a few years back, and he's one of the best in the business.

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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #105 on: April 11, 2012, 12:53:50 PM »
Sometimes he frustrates me and I think he is a moody player, still think he has something to offer and hopefully with Lucas back he can show that. I have no problem with people having a go at him, that is there right.

Also Andy I like the team to do well as well funny enough. That is all that matters to me, but sometimes people have a agenda against our captain.

I haven't got an agenda against any player that is playing well and contributing to the teams success. This season he hasn't been. It's easy to see - what is it now? 13 games and 2 wins? That's pretty poor. It's not all 'his fault' - but he is in the side during that run. It's not good enough. Then he's out of the side and suddenly we look like a team again (Like we looked before he came back) and we - gosh - horror - win a game.
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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #106 on: April 11, 2012, 12:55:58 PM »
I agree but I have no idea why Kenny doesn't do that
Gerrard has some faults as a player, perhaps more so as age and injuries have taken their toll, but his competition for a place in the midfield is Spearing, Henderson, Adam and Shelvey. I thought Shelvey was very good yesterday, and I'd like to see more of him, but is Gerrard such a liability he can't even play in midfield 3 anymore? Not even as the one furthest forward? Is the likes of Henderson, Spearing and Shelvey that much more solid? I don't know what games some of you've watched, but ever since Lucas got injured opponents have walked through our midfield. Is Gerrard the sole reason for that? Even though it's been the same even when he's been out?

We desperately miss Lucas, but the critic Gerrard gets, when other have the same (and sometimes worse) faults, and not the same upsides, is strange. And if you play Gerrard instead of Bellamy or Maxi up front with Carroll and Suarez, would we really be stronger?

I suspect either Henderson or Shelvey (perhaps both) will need a rest after Blackburn anyway, and hope it's one of them plus Spearing and Gerrard that start against Everton. Bellamy probably can't play either, so Maxi, Suarez Carroll upfront if it were up to me.

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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #107 on: April 11, 2012, 12:57:14 PM »
Funny that you were praising his performances not too long ago Andy. Saying he was playing as a team member. Now it's back to your usual.

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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #108 on: April 11, 2012, 12:59:14 PM »
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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #109 on: April 11, 2012, 01:00:07 PM »
It's funny that this has come after the Blackburn away game.  Anyone still remember what happened last season in the same game?  My opinion, is that he should not play centre mid for us again, unless necessary.  It just feels like such a waste of his own talent.  Should play closer to goal, closer to Suarez, even if that means sticking him on the wing.

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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #110 on: April 11, 2012, 01:04:36 PM »
I read that article yesterday and thought it raised some interesting points.

Gerrard is a great player.  Top quality footballer.  Still probably the best player at the club in terms of pure football ability.

The problem with a player who can do just about anything (everything) is getting them to be disciplined enough to focus his efforts for the overall benefit of the team.  That means being tactically & positionally disciplined and using his ability to complement and bring the best out of those around him.

I think Houllier spoiled gerrard by making him captain far too early and buying into the superman thing - easy to fall into that because Gerrard was incredible when he started to mature as a young player.  One of Rafa's greatest achievements was in finding ways to make Gerrard be and play as part of the team - first of all by having attack from a wide right position (when he scored a bucketful one season I think), and then by having him play as a support striker/forward, where he excelled. Kenny has ben using Gerrard centrally and deeper, more in the sort of position that Houllier played him.  Whether that's intentional or needs must because of Lucas injury and Adam form remains to be seen.

I don't think that Gerrard has adapted well to more prosaic requirements of that particular central midfield role - he'll still do great things however, which will make the highlights reels and catch the eye.  Whether the net impact of Gerrard in that position is of overall benefit to the team is open to debate. The article suggests not.  I would tend to agree based on what I've seen.  Lucas injury has had knock effects which have gone far beyond the absence of the player - the adjustments to the shape of the team and players' roles has been a huge problem. 

I don't think much is going to change between now and the end of the season.  By the way, I think Gerrard is good enough to adapt to the requirements of the central midfield role.  I just don't think he will.



     
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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #111 on: April 11, 2012, 01:06:49 PM »
Funny that you were praising his performances not too long ago Andy. Saying he was playing as a team member. Now it's back to your usual.

His attitude is much better than it has been - that's undeniable. His constant sulking and stropping in games seems to have gone for the moment.

But he isn't tracking back and isn't following runners. He also has started demanding the ball in unreasonable areas again - something he wasn't doing when he first came back. He was outstanding against Everton. But he needs to get back into the team mentality as his body apparantly won't let him do what he used to when he was younger.



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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #112 on: April 11, 2012, 01:17:43 PM »
Arsenal are third because of one world class player carrying the team.

We have a world class player up front and one of the best defensive units in the league so how far are we being carried by Gerrard?
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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #113 on: April 11, 2012, 01:19:24 PM »
that's a fucking terrible article - the use of 'statistics' is hilariously bad
and that's before the idea that he was 'allowed off the leash' under Rafa... seriously?! .. Rafa subbed him for running around like a loon. He had huge discipline under Rafa just higher up the pitch or on the right.

My hatred and contempt for football journalists and their ignorance grows daily.

There is a point to be made about how he fits in the team but as I've posted before (haven't we all this has been done over and over) Rafa (and to a lesser extent Capello) demonstrated exactly how you play with him. (hint it's not as a CM in a 442)

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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #114 on: April 11, 2012, 01:20:34 PM »

See that's the strange thing. People can slag off every Liverpool player going - past, present and future. They can bang on about shite endlessly.

And that's fine.

But say one or two objective things about Gerrard and that's really, really bad.


No idea why you're quoting me and saying this, maybe find someone who it actually applies to.  Good luck.


Amazingly some people support the team more than one player. I don't support Gerrard FC. If he is playing well and deserves a place in the side then great! Made up! Because the club I support is benefitting. If he isn't playing well or the team aren't playing well around him or he's letting people run past him with no challenges or he's having bad games then you can comment on it. As people are very fond of saying - this is a forum and it's there to discuss stuff.

Just because some of you have some kind of hero-worship 'Player bigger than the club' thing going on doesn't mean that people can't discuss it.

Again if you can find one person who supports Steven Gerrard more than LFC then brilliant.  Hats off you've got a terrific argument.  But I can't see anyone who fits your description.  Maybe I've not been paying enough attention. Or maybe you're making things up as you go along.

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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #115 on: April 11, 2012, 01:24:33 PM »
Gerrard has some faults as a player, perhaps more so as age and injuries have taken their toll, but his competition for a place in the midfield is Spearing, Henderson, Adam and Shelvey. I thought Shelvey was very good yesterday, and I'd like to see more of him, but is Gerrard such a liability he can't even play in midfield 3 anymore? Not even as the one furthest forward? Is the likes of Henderson, Spearing and Shelvey that much more solid? I don't know what games some of you've watched, but ever since Lucas got injured opponents have walked through our midfield. Is Gerrard the sole reason for that? Even though it's been the same even when he's been out?

We desperately miss Lucas, but the critic Gerrard gets, when other have the same (and sometimes worse) faults, and not the same upsides, is strange. And if you play Gerrard instead of Bellamy or Maxi up front with Carroll and Suarez, would we really be stronger?

I suspect either Henderson or Shelvey (perhaps both) will need a rest after Blackburn anyway, and hope it's one of them plus Spearing and Gerrard that start against Everton. Bellamy probably can't play either, so Maxi, Suarez Carroll upfront if it were up to me.
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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #116 on: April 11, 2012, 01:29:41 PM »
Wilson implies Gerrard is a cause of Liverpool's bad form, which I don't believe is true. His return may well be a contributory factor, as players need to adjust and compromise their attacking play to suit his style, which takes a while, but he is not the main cause. I completely agree with Wilson's assessment at one point, though:

'the phenomenon of a big player dwarfing those around him, particularly when, as in the case of Henderson and Adam, they are low on confidence, is well-known. The tendency, understandably, is to give the ball to the star, to try to feed him at every opportunity: Cesc Fábregas described it happening at Arsenal in Thierry Henry's last full season, while an overreliance on Samuel Eto'o has clearly hampered Cameroon. Gerrard offers an excuse, an easy way for his team-mates to dodge responsibility.'

seems bang on, but surely places the blame for Liverpool's bad form at the feet of the inexperienced Henderson and useless Adam? We've been playing so badly because the players aren't of sufficient quality/experience/confidence to win games against Premier League sides. It's a sad state of affairs, but true. Henderson is promising, definitely, as is Carroll to an extent. But Charlie Adam and Stewart Downing just seem hopelessly out of their depth. Our form's been so disastrously poor because of long injuries to Agger, Johnson, Kelly, Lucas, Bellamy and Suarez's ban, however.
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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #117 on: April 11, 2012, 01:30:24 PM »
Is Steven Gerrard too good for Liverpool?

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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #118 on: April 11, 2012, 01:31:07 PM »
First Lucas, then Agger made our defence weak thus making Gerrard play in the role that he shouldnt and overall had the team playing different way. There is some truth when players around gerrard expect things and for him to take over and slacken their effort. For some it is clear to see and others try just as hard. Anyway I would rather have him playing then not play, somehow still makes the team more dangerous and exciting. That is how I see it(rose tinted glasses probably :D)
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Re: Is Steven Gerrard Good For Liverpool?
« Reply #119 on: April 11, 2012, 01:32:19 PM »
Is Steven Gerrard too good for Liverpool?

May well be true, sadly. Sums up my post pretty succinctly.
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