Topic: Jonjo Shelvey

[anfieldanfield]

Oh fucking hell.

What ? He is not as good as he thinks he is.

Not saying that's a bad thing, I'm a fan of a bit of swagger, but the fact that he attempted about five "killer" passes and none of them came off suggests that he's not quite at the level he thinks he is.

[Z e u s]

1. Gerrard & Lucas
3. Allen
4-6. Aquilani, Shelvey, Henderson
7. Spearing
8. Suso.

Sold - Adam.

[Phil M]

What ? He is not as good as he thinks he is.

Not saying that's a bad thing, I'm a fan of a bit of swagger, but the fact that he attempted about five "killer" passes and none of them came off suggests that he's not quite at the level he thinks he is.

 

Know him personally and his personal opinion of himself aswell do ya? He's a young player learning his trade, you're making judgement based on his performance in a meaningless friendly.

[surfer]

Has a long way to go to play the centre mid position competently. One of the best things Rodgers can do for Shelvey (Henderson and Spearing too) is to transfer his methods properly onto them rather than compromising (based on his press statement) even a bit. These players need clear, precise instructions on how to play this position at this point in their careers (Spearing's a bit late even). They didn't improve in this respect the last season.

Shelvey can hit a pass, throw himself about and run quickly. There's a lot of work to do and if he thinks / is given the platform to think he's nearly there, he quite easily won't make it here as from his play on the field, he strikes me as not being far behind Enrique in the dumb donkey stakes.

[Bakez0151]

Enough said. Clearly Rodgers rates him and is in his plans. It was half a pre-season friendly for fucks sake.

[markthescouser]

Maybe I was watching a different game, but I thought he was fantastic.
Needs to cut down the long balls a tad, but given the style he was playing (sat a bit back) he marshalled the game well. Thought he controlled the midfield for the first half of that half.

Exactly. I came on here expecting to see people singing his praises but some of this is crazy. Ok the opposition weren't the best team in the world but still, he's 20, playing in the first friendly of the season against a team in the middle of their season and just bossed the park. I'm going to throw it out there but I've got higher hopes for him than I do for Sterling, and that's in no way meant to be a dig at Sterling as I'm pretty sure he's going to be good for us too, I just think Shelvey is going to be that good.

[Carlos Alberto]

I don't rate him.

*runs*

 

[MatthewRedBlood]

Exactly. I came on here expecting to see people singing his praises but some of this is crazy. Ok the opposition weren't the best team in the world but still, he's 20, playing in the first friendly of the season against a team in the middle of their season and just bossed the park. I'm going to throw it out there but I've got higher hopes for him than I do for Sterling, and that's in no way meant to be a dig at Sterling as I'm pretty sure he's going to be good for us too, I just think Shelvey is going to be that good.

I agree with what you're saying about Shelvey having a good game, and also that he's got a good future ahead of him, but comparing a centre midfielder and an inside forward 

The boy is a rough diamond, very raw, and needs to work on his composure at times. His reckless tackles remind me of a certain Steven Gerrard at the same age. If you'd rate him against anyone it'd be Henderson but the two again are chalk and cheese. Henderson likes to keep the  ball moving, tidy player who'll keep possession, whereas from my point of view Shelvey is your goal scoring/risk taking midfielder. His pass % is never going to be as high as your Henderson's generally, and young players like Shelvey can be infuriating to watch because they're so flamboyant, but given the nature of our manager and his philosophy, i can see Shelvey coming on leaps and bounds in the next 18-24 months if he learns to be a little more disciplined.

Personally i wouldn't be that against seeing him go out on loan to another Premier League side IF he isn't going to get regular game time for us. I highly doubt that'll happen given us being in the Europa (where i figure he'll be largely used) but being so young the experience and game time would benefit him no doubt. lots of potential, but lots of work to be done.

[Red Eyed]

I agree with what you're saying about Shelvey having a good game, and also that he's got a good future ahead of him, but comparing a centre midfielder and an inside forward 

He didn't compare them, just said Shelvey was the better prospect.

[MolbyLovesGravy]

Rodgers really is a wee bastard isn't he?

[markthescouser]

I agree with what you're saying about Shelvey having a good game, and also that he's got a good future ahead of him, but comparing a centre midfielder and an inside forward 

Personally i wouldn't be that against seeing him go out on loan to another Premier League side IF he isn't going to get regular game time for us. I highly doubt that'll happen given us being in the Europa (where i figure he'll be largely used) but being so young the experience and game time would benefit him no doubt. lots of potential, but lots of work to be done.

Yea I wasn't comparing their style, just how good a prospect I thought they were and their future impact on the club. Think he'll be getting a decent amount of game time with Europa/League Cup and then I'd probably put him just behind Henderson as 2nd in line to cover for anyone injured, obviously depending on who it was.

[Pistolero]

 but the fact that he attempted about five "killer" passes and none of them came off suggests that he's not quite at the level he thinks he is.

all it 'suggests' is that the passes didnt come off...

[scatman]

mental masturbation on here as usual, good half jonjo had, passed the ball around well, always open for a pass.

[Garstonite]

Other than Lucas, he's the best "tactical presser" out of any of our central midfielders, imo. Rodgers will love him.

[incredibleL4ever]

The real test for Jonjo, and the other inexperienced players, will be their ability to hold on to and pass the ball much faster than they did on Saturday.  The main difference between preseason/friendlies and competitive matches is the amount of time players have on the ball.  Jonjo looked accomplished on Saturday, but that was not be a great test. 

[Phil M]

The real test for Jonjo, and the other inexperienced players, will be their ability to hold on to and pass the ball much faster than they did on Saturday.  The main difference between preseason/friendlies and competitive matches is the amount of time players have on the ball.  Jonjo looked accomplished on Saturday, but that was not be a great test. 

Eh. Why would you expect him to be 'tested' by a faster tempo given he made 8 starts (13 league appearances) for us last season and looked completely comfortable if not accomplished at PL level.

[rafathegaffa83]

Don't know why people are being overly critical of his performance in a pre-season fixture. To be fair as well, he looked like he might be carrying some sort of knock, as part of his right leg with covered some white strapping just under his knee, which was evident in the warm-up. He took it off before starting in the second half.

[Tony18:5]

Thought he did ok on Sat, looked keen to impress - big year ahead for him.

Needs to stay around the team and not loaned out (particularly to a team which doesnt play the way we'll be setting up).

[lfcbob]

Hes starting to look a right meat head ha

[anfieldanfield]

Know him personally and his personal opinion of himself aswell do ya? He's a young player learning his trade, you're making judgement based on his performance in a meaningless friendly.

This a bizarre argument which would basically render internet forums useless if it was applied.

[Phil M]

This a bizarre argument which would basically render internet forums useless if it was applied.

The only thing that's bizarre is you seemingly believing you know the lad's innermost thoughts and can come on here and state that he's "not as good as he thinks he is".
What a ridiculous thing to say.

[Tomo!]

I know Shelvey played deep as did Adam and they both we're the only ones attempting the so called Hollywood passes.

Wonder if they were told to do it, deep lying playmaker to complement the possession game?

[Tom De Niro]

I thought his performance on Saturday summed up to me exactly what he is, a young, talented player without much experience trying to impress a new manager. I think if he's given time, as Lucas was, he can be a vital member of the team in a few years.

[Terry De Niro]

I thought his performance on Saturday summed up to me exactly what he is, a young, talented player without much experience trying to impress a new manager. I think if he's given time, as Lucas was, he can be a vital member of the team in a few years.

Well said Son and welcome to RAWK..   

[rawkus8]

Well said Son and welcome to RAWK..   

Haha 

[Terry De Niro]

Haha 

The De Niro's are taking over this gaff..   

["Ninja Skrtel"]

I wish we could fuse Shelvey and Henderson into one super midfielder. Jonjo makes up for a lot of his weaknesses with his aggression and swag whereas Henderson is a technically excellent player who is way too shy. As one player they would be.... well they'd probably be Gerrard! 

[farawayred]

What if we end up with a shy player with limited technical ability? 

[Dentron]

I think Shelvey is just as technically gifted as Henderson. Maybe even more so. I'm a fan of Henderson, but I don't think there's anything that he does as well as Shelvey, actually.

[idontknow]

What if we end up with a shy player with limited technical ability? 

I'm afraid I'm just too old now, but thanks for the thought. 

Seriously, I see no purpose in loaning Shelvey out. I can't see what he gains from it now, and only see for ourselves the loss of a midfielder with drive and forward momentum, and a willingness to bugger things up if they are not working. Given Gerrard's age and fitness, I don't think we should be letting a player with those qualities go.
I also think, if Rodgers has a system in mind, that Jonjo should be here to learn it and get used to it as quick as possible. I rate Henderson too, and think the two of them, with Lucas, could be the basis of a very sharp possessive midfield for us for some years to come. If we buy Allen, great, but I don't see what purpose it serves gaining one future talent and giving another future talent away. And Allen isn't here, Shelvey is.
Lucas, Henderson, Shelvey, and Aquilani, Mr Gerrard of course. To me that suggests ball retention, good forward movement, and a nice dash of devil-may-care. Like a very good football team's midfield ought to look like.

["Ninja Skrtel"]

What if we end up with a shy player with limited technical ability? 

  Then we'll have Salif Diao or something.

I think Shelvey is just as technically gifted as Henderson. Maybe even more so. I'm a fan of Henderson, but I don't think there's anything that he does as well as Shelvey, actually.

Really? Shelvey's got the upper hand with physicality, imposition and long-range shooting. But Henderson's got a lot more finesse in his touch, tactics, dribbling and passing for me. Can't imagine Shelvey doing this, for example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BooEyekxQcY

But then Henderson's never doing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhZIAhopqEE

Both have huge potential though and hopefully in time they'll form a balanced midfield partnership for us, together. Thus negating the need for any biomorphing science experiments. I totally agree with idontknow. These 2 along with Lucas could form a really dynamic central midfield in the years to come.

[Kovai Red]

This player will come good for us if he is not already. As of now, he is the only player who could potentially replace Gerrard. The next two seasons are very important in his development.

[DanA]

This player will come good for us if he is not already. As of now, he is the only player who could potentially replace Gerrard. The next two seasons are very important in his development.

Think he'll be our most improved player and a chance for young player of the year in the premier league. He has a lot of talent.

[shizzledizzle]

he has to be an integral part of our team this year and I think that's where BR is heading at. The loan to Blackpool did wonders to him, when he is on the field you can feel his self confidence, one of the most important attributes for a midfielder..

[dotheoffski]

This man is class, playing a slightly different/deeper role than normal, which he will have to adjust to.  But he is young and will adjust over time, this guy will bring goals, work rate, the final pass etc.  Agree with poster above who feels he has more to offer than Henderson.

[Kovai Red]

Agree with poster above who feels he has more to offer than Henderson.

You cannot underestimate Henderson for the sake of praising Shelvey. Both can turn out to a great pair in the midfield. One can run into the box while other can offer chances from the Central midfield.
----------------------Lucas----------------------
-------Shelvey-------------------Jordan-------

Off these three, if Shelvey and Henderson really goes upwards in their career and fulfilling their potential, I can see the above midfield dominating the Premier League in the coming seasons.

[Dentron]

I really wasn't trying to slight Henderson. I was being honest when I said I was a fan of his. For instance, I've gotten some stick in the transfer forum for suggesting that Joe Allen might be superfluous when we already have Henderson and Shelvey, who are both younger and, in my opinion, more talented than Allen. When we see our two players under Rodgers, I think we will all be impressed.

I rate Shelvey though. I don't think there are many young players in the entire league with his vision and range of passing. Even when we first signed him, watching videos of his Charlton days, it was obvious that he was advanced well beyond his years in passing ability.

I think Henderson is a fantastic talent, and will definitely come good on that talent under Rodgers, but Shelvey is a very rare type of player, who I believe has the potential to become world class in the future.

[Red Eyed]

He impresses me every time I see him.

[Melbred]

Shelvey looking dangerous when he tries to penetrate.

[Jonjo Legend]

Makes Totti look average does our Jonjo.