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« Reply #320 on: April 29, 2012, 03:06:34 AM »
Nice to see him getting starts in less important games though, it is against opposition like Norwich where he can learn his trade properly.

This... Love Shelvey but he is only just 20 and needs to be developed. I think he should of played more than he has but a final V Chelsea is not the same as a game v Norwich or the Fulham game coming. These types are the games for him to get bedded into premier league football. The lad is a talent but lets keep things in perspective.
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« Reply #321 on: April 29, 2012, 03:46:26 AM »
I would like to know why you, or anyone else, thought he was poor today.

1) He started playing off Luis and was switched with Gerrard because he was ineffective.

2) When he was deeper he let his man go which gave them two decent chances off the top of my head.

3) He was generally wasteful on the ball.

4) Missed two clear goal scoring opportunities.

5) For all his cockyness and swagger, he bottled a chance with his bad foot when Ruddy came way off his line.


Now don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Jonjo. It's just the double standards that irk me. It was a poor performance, I understand people glossing over it because he's young. That's proper order. But people in here are actually trying to make out like he was great. Sheer bollocks to be honest. It was poor but there was encouraging signs there, that's it.

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Re: Jonjo Shelvey . . . .
« Reply #322 on: April 29, 2012, 03:49:54 AM »
1) He started playing off Luis and was switched with Gerrard because he was ineffective.

2) When he was deeper he let his man go which gave them two decent chances off the top of my head.

3) He was generally wasteful on the ball.

4) Missed two clear goal scoring opportunities.

5) For all his cockyness and swagger, he bottled a chance with his bad foot when Ruddy came way off his line.


Now don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Jonjo. It's just the double standards that irk me. It was a poor performance, I understand people glossing over it because he's young. That's proper order. But people in here are actually trying to make out like he was great. Sheer bollocks to be honest. It was poor but there was encouraging signs there, that's it.

He did have a few good late runs into the box in the second half though, something we've needed the whole season. The kinds that Raul used to do when he had his purple patch.

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Re: Jonjo Shelvey . . . .
« Reply #323 on: April 29, 2012, 04:00:36 AM »
He did have a few good late runs into the box in the second half though, something we've needed the whole season. The kinds that Raul used to do when he had his purple patch.

Yeh of course, that's what he's going to bring you and it's something we really need to be fair. I'm not slating the kid or saying he's useless, just that today wasn't his best performance. He has played much better for us.

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« Reply #324 on: April 29, 2012, 04:17:40 AM »
He really should play more games next season. Very promising player that can offer a bit attacking mentality we desperately need.

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Re: Jonjo Shelvey . . . .
« Reply #325 on: April 29, 2012, 05:00:39 AM »
1) He started playing off Luis and was switched with Gerrard because he was ineffective.

2) When he was deeper he let his man go which gave them two decent chances off the top of my head.

3) He was generally wasteful on the ball.

4) Missed two clear goal scoring opportunities.

5) For all his cockyness and swagger, he bottled a chance with his bad foot when Ruddy came way off his line.


Now don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Jonjo. It's just the double standards that irk me. It was a poor performance, I understand people glossing over it because he's young. That's proper order. But people in here are actually trying to make out like he was great. Sheer bollocks to be honest. It was poor but there was encouraging signs there, that's it.

More so Gerrard & Henderson were ineffective in midfield. There was absolutely ZERO penetration (passes or runs) from the midfield. No one could get him the ball the entire time he was up there, they were all stray hoofs or balls Suarez had to chase down. 

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Re: Jonjo Shelvey . . . .
« Reply #326 on: April 29, 2012, 05:18:54 AM »
1) He started playing off Luis and was switched with Gerrard because he was ineffective.

2) When he was deeper he let his man go which gave them two decent chances off the top of my head.

3) He was generally wasteful on the ball.

4) Missed two clear goal scoring opportunities.

5) For all his cockyness and swagger, he bottled a chance with his bad foot when Ruddy came way off his line.


Now don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Jonjo. It's just the double standards that irk me. It was a poor performance, I understand people glossing over it because he's young. That's proper order. But people in here are actually trying to make out like he was great. Sheer bollocks to be honest. It was poor but there was encouraging signs there, that's it.

1. You have no idea why they switched roles multiple times throughout the game. The only constant was that Henderson was sitting deep the entire time. Gerrard was at times more advanced, and Shelvey was at times more advanced. You're just assuming causation, and honestly your assumption isn't really based on anything.

2. I don't remember Norwich having any decent chances, but I'll concede that he does tend to lose track of the play defensively when he's forced into a deeper role. He isn't a defensive minded player at all, but I will never, ever use that as an excuse for a central midfielder neglecting defensive duties. So in general I agree with this point, but I don't think there was a single egregious defensive mistake today, and certainly none made by Shelvey that led directly to "two decent chances."

3. That isn't true. At all. His link up play was great. He kept the ball moving, changed the point of attack, and while he didn't thread many dangerous passes today, he was constantly moving the ball to areas where other players were able to put the ball in dangerous positions. Shelvey was seriously anything but wasteful. I could not possibly disagree more with this point.

4. He put a contested header off the crossbar, and didn't quite get to a ball that he was fully extended for that took a bad hop in the chewed up GK area... And that's grounds for claiming he was poor? Yikes. He was unlucky. I'd rather talk about how he got himself into scoring positions that none of our other central midfielders have found themselves in all season. Again, his movement off the ball is sublime.

5. Again, he had a poor game because he didn't chip Ruddy from outside the corner of the 18 with his weak foot? Surely this is a joke... That would have been an absolute wonder goal. Why don't you go ahead and slate him because he didn't attempt a Coates-volley off any corners? Or slate him because he didn't chip Ruddy from 50 yards like Suarez did? Seriously, what a ridiculous rationalization.

From the criticism you've leveled at him I have to wonder if you understand the game very well. Most of Shelvey's contribution seems to go right over your head.

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Re: Jonjo Shelvey . . . .
« Reply #327 on: April 29, 2012, 07:17:49 AM »
Some weird shit is happening on here. People who don't like Henderson seem to be using Jonjo as a stick to beat Jordan with and then we have people running Jonjo down because they don't like the way Henderson is being treated.
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« Reply #328 on: April 29, 2012, 07:50:43 AM »
1. You have no idea why they switched roles multiple times throughout the game. The only constant was that Henderson was sitting deep the entire time. Gerrard was at times more advanced, and Shelvey was at times more advanced. You're just assuming causation, and honestly your assumption isn't really based on anything.

2. I don't remember Norwich having any decent chances, but I'll concede that he does tend to lose track of the play defensively when he's forced into a deeper role. He isn't a defensive minded player at all, but I will never, ever use that as an excuse for a central midfielder neglecting defensive duties. So in general I agree with this point, but I don't think there was a single egregious defensive mistake today, and certainly none made by Shelvey that led directly to "two decent chances."

3. That isn't true. At all. His link up play was great. He kept the ball moving, changed the point of attack, and while he didn't thread many dangerous passes today, he was constantly moving the ball to areas where other players were able to put the ball in dangerous positions. Shelvey was seriously anything but wasteful. I could not possibly disagree more with this point.

4. He put a contested header off the crossbar, and didn't quite get to a ball that he was fully extended for that took a bad hop in the chewed up GK area... And that's grounds for claiming he was poor? Yikes. He was unlucky. I'd rather talk about how he got himself into scoring positions that none of our other central midfielders have found themselves in all season. Again, his movement off the ball is sublime.

5. Again, he had a poor game because he didn't chip Ruddy from outside the corner of the 18 with his weak foot? Surely this is a joke... That would have been an absolute wonder goal. Why don't you go ahead and slate him because he didn't attempt a Coates-volley off any corners? Or slate him because he didn't chip Ruddy from 50 yards like Suarez did? Seriously, what a ridiculous rationalization.

From the criticism you've leveled at him I have to wonder if you understand the game very well. Most of Shelvey's contribution seems to go right over your head.
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Re: Jonjo Shelvey . . . .
« Reply #329 on: April 29, 2012, 09:17:23 AM »
Good game again. Love the way he constantly plays one touch football, keeps the ball moving, can go long or short and just has great vision/swagger. This guys is going to be the real deal for us. He has goals in his game as shown by his two chances from decent runs into the box. Long term, a midfield of him, Hendo and Lucas has me salivating.
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Re: Jonjo Shelvey . . . .
« Reply #330 on: April 29, 2012, 09:26:21 AM »
Some weird shit is happening on here. People who don't like Henderson seem to be using Jonjo as a stick to beat Jordan with and then we have people running Jonjo down because they don't like the way Henderson is being treated.

Had a feeling that would happen.

Personally, I like both players and both have a big future.  Jonjo needs games like Henderson.

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« Reply #331 on: April 29, 2012, 09:53:33 AM »
Had a feeling that would happen.

Personally, I like both players and both have a big future.  Jonjo needs games like Henderson.

Exactly mate. We have two very young and talented footballers in our ranks. There's going to be some great performances from these two in the years to come.
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Re: Jonjo Shelvey . . . .
« Reply #332 on: April 29, 2012, 01:03:28 PM »
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Re: Jonjo Shelvey . . . .
« Reply #333 on: April 29, 2012, 02:09:57 PM »
Some weird shit is happening on here. People who don't like Henderson seem to be using Jonjo as a stick to beat Jordan with and then we have people running Jonjo down because they don't like the way Henderson is being treated.

Yes totally ridiculous, both have lots of talent, both are still learning their games and will get a lot better. I really would not want to bet which player will be better, however it is looking like Hendo may be a better defensive option of the two. I am just glad they are both our players.
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Re: Jonjo Shelvey . . . .
« Reply #334 on: April 29, 2012, 05:42:14 PM »
Personaly I thought Shelvey was quality yesterday, he plays like someone 5/6years his senior. I love his arrogance and cockyness and his eagerness to ALWAYS be on the ball.
Yesterday I think the midfield all complimented each other really well, the fluidity was the thing that stood out most, they were all comfortable pushing on or sitting in if one of them broke. This showed because we were actually breakig quickly and had support for Suarez in stead of him being isolated waiting for somebody to join him.
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Re: Jonjo Shelvey . . . .
« Reply #335 on: April 29, 2012, 05:43:31 PM »
If I am honest I havent ever seen anything in Jonjo to think he is going to be quality. However, thats due to the fact he hasnt played much.

He was good yesterday, and I was happy to see that he was willing to get into the box and support the strikers.
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« Reply #336 on: April 29, 2012, 11:24:52 PM »
I'm surprised he is getting criticism from yesterday. I thought he kept it nice and simple which is a huge improvement from last year, he linked it up pretty well and got into some good positions.

There are certainly goals in him and he got into 3 or 4 good positions. To play centre mid at Liverpool at the age of 20 is huge.

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« Reply #337 on: April 30, 2012, 12:37:43 AM »
Watching the match again, god, I really hope Jonjo gets more playing time, he could be hugely important for us.  When Suarez goes in for that chip and puts it over the top of the goal, Jonjo throws his hands up in the air, upset that Suarez didn't pass it to him.  I mean, do you see Hendo or Downing getting arsed about that, do you think they have the bollocks to go up to one of the best players in the world and give him a bollocking about a poor decision?  no.  But Jonjo knows how good he is, so he has no problem with it.

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Re: Jonjo Shelvey . . . .
« Reply #338 on: April 30, 2012, 12:40:37 AM »
If I am honest I havent ever seen anything in Jonjo to think he is going to be quality. However, thats due to the fact he hasnt played much.

He was good yesterday, and I was happy to see that he was willing to get into the box and support the strikers.

You need to watch more of him then,has huge potential and already has bags more self belief than either Henderson or Downing.
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Re: Jonjo Shelvey . . . .
« Reply #339 on: April 30, 2012, 09:41:15 AM »
Watching the match again, god, I really hope Jonjo gets more playing time, he could be hugely important for us.  When Suarez goes in for that chip and puts it over the top of the goal, Jonjo throws his hands up in the air, upset that Suarez didn't pass it to him.  I mean, do you see Hendo or Downing getting arsed about that, do you think they have the bollocks to go up to one of the best players in the world and give him a bollocking about a poor decision?  no.  But Jonjo knows how good he is, so he has no problem with it.

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Re: Jonjo Shelvey . . . .
« Reply #340 on: April 30, 2012, 03:19:57 PM »
Really hope we dont sign any centre midfielders in the summer!! be harsh and wrong to loan him out again. should deffo play more games starting on tuesday.

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« Reply #341 on: April 30, 2012, 05:52:09 PM »
Think the loan at Blackpool definitely did him some good. We've definitely also underused him this season IMO, too. I think since he came back him and Henderson should have been rotated at the very least (ignoring the fact they're different players - don't wanna get drawn into that!) Hopefully we'll see more of him next season, and he definitely deserves a start tomorrow night.

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« Reply #342 on: April 30, 2012, 06:08:04 PM »
he hit the crossbar and missed from three yards out on sat which was unlucky,
this tells me one thing... He's getting forward and in right positions which is something we've missed this year.
hope he plays more next year
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« Reply #343 on: April 30, 2012, 07:00:01 PM »
Really hope we dont sign any centre midfielders in the summer!!

I really hope we do; we need a much better set of midfielders. Not that I don't rate Jonjo, because I think he has great potential. However, we shouldn't catch ourselves short of quality just because we want certain players to get more game time.

Don't get me wrong, there's definitely room in the team for young players, but since Momo and then Mascherano left, we've been short of somebody to offer that kind of energy in midfield. Lucas offers that to a certain extent, but he's not the crunching, strong sort of player we need.

Anyway, yeah, love Shelvey.

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« Reply #344 on: April 30, 2012, 07:02:04 PM »
another good performance from shelvs tommorow night and he could force his way into the team for saturday

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« Reply #345 on: April 30, 2012, 07:05:56 PM »
Watching the match again, god, I really hope Jonjo gets more playing time, he could be hugely important for us.  When Suarez goes in for that chip and puts it over the top of the goal, Jonjo throws his hands up in the air, upset that Suarez didn't pass it to him.  I mean, do you see Hendo or Downing getting arsed about that, do you think they have the bollocks to go up to one of the best players in the world and give him a bollocking about a poor decision?  no.  But Jonjo knows how good he is, so he has no problem with it.

Love this kid.

I love him too.  But I look forward to the day when you can actually post in a player thread (that isn't Hendersons) and not mention Henderson in a negative light.   ;)

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« Reply #346 on: April 30, 2012, 07:16:21 PM »
that was stevie g mate. he even said after the game that he was about to give him a bollocking before it went in.

He's not talking about the goal, he's talking about the chip that Suarez missed earlier.

I love him too.  But I look forward to the day when you can actually post in a player thread (that isn't Hendersons) and not mention Henderson in a negative light.   ;)

Heh seriously...it's like reading an article about a house fire, going into the comments section, and seeing "Take a good look, folks. This is what's going to happen to ALL of our houses if Obama has his way!"
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Re: Jonjo Shelvey . . . .
« Reply #347 on: April 30, 2012, 07:26:54 PM »
Really hope we dont sign any centre midfielders in the summer!! be harsh and wrong to loan him out again. should deffo play more games starting on tuesday.
Think we will still buy another CM.. purely because we need cover for Lucas, no disrespect to Spearing but we need a higher class
when we replace Lucas. But i def agree loaning Shelvey or Coates for that matter, would be absolute lunacy

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« Reply #348 on: April 30, 2012, 07:34:05 PM »
Think we will still buy another CM.. purely because we need cover for Lucas, no disrespect to Spearing but we need a higher class
when we replace Lucas. But i def agree loaning Shelvey or Coates for that matter, would be absolute lunacy

If you put bags over their heads and had no clue who was playing, and you decided who to loan out based on their quality or lackthereof, you would pick a couple of players to go out on loan and a couple to start, and the once you took the bags off, you would find that you would be loaning out Henderson, starting Shelvey in an attacking role, and you would realize that Spearing is just fine as a backup to Lucas as a holding mid.

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Re: Jonjo Shelvey . . . .
« Reply #349 on: April 30, 2012, 07:40:00 PM »
If you put bags over their heads and had no clue who was playing, and you decided who to loan out based on their quality or lackthereof, you would pick a couple of players to go out on loan and a couple to start, and the once you took the bags off, you would find that you would be loaning out Henderson, starting Shelvey in an attacking role, and you would realize that Spearing is just fine as a backup to Lucas as a holding mid.
i would also realize that we are still 7/8th in the league table. 

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Re: Jonjo Shelvey . . . .
« Reply #350 on: April 30, 2012, 08:15:54 PM »
I much prefer Shelvey in that attacking role with Gerrard in front of Henderson.  That 433 formation is excellent against weaker opposition, It's got width and midfielders able to get in the box, which is Shelvey and Gerrard's strength.  Shelvey and Henderson have both shown that they are Premier League level players at 20 and 21.

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« Reply #351 on: April 30, 2012, 08:20:51 PM »
Shelvey and Henderson have both shown that they are Premier League level players at 20 and 21.

I suppose so, but there's a difference in being a PL player for Liverpool and being a PL player for Bolton or Wolves.

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« Reply #352 on: April 30, 2012, 08:37:34 PM »
I suppose so, but there's a difference in being a PL player for Liverpool and being a PL player for Bolton or Wolves.

You are quite right.  However, almost all players get better after the age of 21, and many players don't even get much time in the Premier League at that age.  It's a great base upon which to build.

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« Reply #353 on: May 1, 2012, 12:12:43 AM »
Good couple of quotes from him here

Think this bit shows his mindset quite well:

The No.33 also revealed why he apologised to the Liverpool fans on twitter following a miss from close range during the win at Carrow Road.

"I just wanted to let people know that I should be scoring from there," he added.

"I just took my eye off the ball. People have said there was a bobble but I've not watched it back to be honest and I don't think I will watch it back.

"I will just forget about it, keep getting into the box and hopefully get my first Premier League goal soon."
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Re: Jonjo Shelvey . . . .
« Reply #354 on: May 1, 2012, 12:34:54 AM »
Certainly has the right attitude anyway. Think he had a pretty good game yesterday, few mistakes but that'll improve with experience and as should be pointed out, you have to get into good positions to miss the sitters. So its good to see him busting a gut to get into good positions. Keep doing that and the goals will come. Think theres a big future for him.
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Re: Jonjo Shelvey . . . .
« Reply #355 on: May 1, 2012, 09:40:22 PM »
Not the only one, but looked a fish out of water tonight. 

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Re: Jonjo Shelvey . . . .
« Reply #356 on: May 1, 2012, 09:44:26 PM »
Not the only one, but looked a fish out of water tonight. 

Disagree. He wasn't amazing but he still looked lively. Big, big future is definitely on the cards.
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Re: Jonjo Shelvey . . . .
« Reply #357 on: May 1, 2012, 09:45:06 PM »
Was up and down.

As you might expect a 19 year old would be.

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Re: Jonjo Shelvey . . . .
« Reply #358 on: May 1, 2012, 09:45:43 PM »
Looked good in the first half, but went to shit with the rest of the team in the second. Aside from a couple small build ups really not much to talk about.

He needs footballers around him. He's a pass and move player. When he's playing it to Dirk/Jay/Carroll/etc. and not getting it back he isn't going to play very well. Seemed Hodgsonesque to throw all of the reserve side in at the same time. Not really fair to players like Shelvey trying to break in to the first 11, but that's life.

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Re: Jonjo Shelvey . . . .
« Reply #359 on: May 1, 2012, 09:48:14 PM »
Got high hopes for Jonjo, he will be class but let's not beat round the bush, he was god-awful tonight, along with the rest of the lazy arses.