Author Topic: Andy Carroll: Future uncertain.... ? (Read 225156 times)

artanis · « **Reply #480 on:** May 5, 2012, 07:49:01 PM »

Quote from: lord_anshul on May 5, 2012, 07:43:57 PM

He was superb. Gutted to not see him start.

Well I hope he starts the last game at Anfield and I hope the Kop recognizes his Wembley performance with a loud song. He deserves encouragement to hold him over to the next season. He is not a flop or waste of money. We will get all the 35mil back.
Well done.

The G in Gerrard · « **Reply #481 on:** May 5, 2012, 07:49:11 PM »

Quote from: Cpt_Reina on May 5, 2012, 07:45:20 PM

Play him more then 3 games in a row might be a start.

Simple as that.

usernamefc · « **Reply #482 on:** May 5, 2012, 07:49:16 PM »

Keep him, and unless we get a great finishing striker to play up top with Suarez, play him.

underdog · « **Reply #483 on:** May 5, 2012, 07:49:18 PM »

You have to say he's looked a real CF this past month or so, he gives Luis room and someone to aim for. He needs to play games. Proud of the guy today.

IndianRed · « **Reply #484 on:** May 5, 2012, 07:49:29 PM »

Keep Carroll. There are few forwards in the world who can boss Terry and Ivanovic like he did today. And like Cpt_Reina said in the Carroll thread, he's been grossly mis-managed by Kenny this season. Benching him in a cup final when he's come off a monster of a performance against Fulham is baffling, atleast to me.

Give the lad a run of games next season. Try to work out a system in pre-season where we can integrate both Carroll and Suarez in our side and sign players who CAN fit into the system. I'd say, get a poacher in who can work off both Suarez and Carroll's work. Get a winger in who's not Downing. And get a commanding central midfielder who can help move our play twenty yards up the pitch where we can use Carroll as a focal point of our attacks inside the opposition box with plenty of midfield runners to feed off from him. The myth that we don't play our best football with Carroll in the side was well and truly shattered by that first half performance. Winning the Premier league is all about having options and Carroll is one hell of an option to have.

Cpt_Reina · « **Reply #485 on:** May 5, 2012, 07:49:48 PM »

You can coach movement and becoming a better goalscorer.

You can't coach being the absolute fucking beast Carroll is, when he wants to be.

He needs time.

andspecks · « **Reply #486 on:** May 5, 2012, 07:50:03 PM »

Play him. Don't drop him once he hits top form.

rakey_lfc · « **Reply #487 on:** May 5, 2012, 07:50:21 PM »

Suarez Gerrard Bellamy
Caroll

Is what we should do IMO!

MrGrumpy · « **Reply #488 on:** May 5, 2012, 07:50:26 PM »

Keep him but buy a decent winger and another good striker.

Rohit · « **Reply #489 on:** May 5, 2012, 07:50:40 PM »

Keep him, he's turned it around for me since the newcastle game. Shown the right mentality to play for us and seems to be using his body like did with the newcastle. Battered them today and he does alot of dirty work willing to drop back to make a tackle.

One thing which I didn't notice till today was a change in pace from him and acceleration to get away from a man.

Deserves another chance unlike some of the rest.

Coolie High · « **Reply #490 on:** May 5, 2012, 07:51:05 PM »

Quote from: Cpt_Reina on May 5, 2012, 07:49:48 PM

You can coach movement and becoming a better goalscorer.

You can't coach being the absolute fucking beast Carroll is, when he wants to be.

He needs time.

His no more of a beast than Kevin Davies, Grant Holt, and the other strikers of his ilk all across this league, we need something better if we want to push on.

Vork+The Knights of Good · « **Reply #491 on:** May 5, 2012, 07:51:06 PM »

We have a 23-year-old beast of a man who's showing majors signs of returning to the quickness and control of his Newcastle days, has been one of our best performers for the past two months, and can still improve massively and you're wondering what we do with him? Hmm, let's see.....perhaps we play him.

G1 Jockey 4(betfair) · « **Reply #492 on:** May 5, 2012, 07:51:08 PM »

bumps his price up a bit from the 10 mil most would of accepted.

i would keep him as a bench player but i think the owners might want some of that outlay back instead.

rowan_d · « **Reply #493 on:** May 5, 2012, 07:51:44 PM »

By the way, my question wasn't really 'shall we keep him or not?,' more 'what should his place be in the squad going forward?'

Juan Loco · « **Reply #494 on:** May 5, 2012, 07:51:58 PM »

Sit him down Clockwork Orange style and have him watch hours and hours and hours of footage of Falcao's* movement in the penalty box.

*Or Trezeguet, Vieri, whoever.

mutiman · « **Reply #495 on:** May 5, 2012, 07:52:02 PM »

This. He played very well today,but he's also had several games where he's been quite poor. But he's young and should improve.

Quote from: Coolie High on May 5, 2012, 07:43:52 PM

We should keep him as our 2nd choice striker, would be a good option to come off the bench like today. However if we want to take the team to the next level, we need someone who is better on the deck and a better finisher as well.

Notayesman · « **Reply #496 on:** May 5, 2012, 07:53:42 PM »

Quote from: rowan_d on May 5, 2012, 07:51:44 PM

By the way, my question wasn't really 'shall we keep him or not?,' more 'what should his place be in the squad going forward?'

I'd like to see us start with Luis and AN Other either side of him. I genuinely believe he could make an impact but the fullbacks are gonna have to work on their crossing cos we'll effectively be playing without wingers (which is what we do know if we're being honest).

karl1987 · « **Reply #497 on:** May 5, 2012, 07:55:16 PM »

433 next season for me with Suarez to the right off Carroll and and new wide forward on the left.

L Redwing · « **Reply #498 on:** May 5, 2012, 07:56:22 PM »

Quote from: Vork+The Knights of Good on May 5, 2012, 07:51:06 PM

We have a 23-year-old beast of a man who's showing majors signs of returning to the quickness and control of his Newcastle days, has been one of our best performers for the past two months, and can still improve massively and you're wondering what we do with him? Hmm, let's see.....perhaps we play him.

Indeed.

It's very strange...the loss was gutting....but Andy's performance really gave me hope...not just during the game, but hope that tempers the disappointment of the loss. Keep him, play him, let him become the beast that he is.

HighSix · « **Reply #499 on:** May 5, 2012, 07:57:04 PM »

Most on here want us to sign another forward in the poacher/ clinical finisher mold in the summer to play with Suarez so where does Carroll fit in? He is the type of player that needs to play all the time to get the best out of him in regards to form, fitness & confidence I can now see him being a sucess in the premier league but not sure with us.

Haemogoblin · « **Reply #500 on:** May 5, 2012, 07:58:55 PM »

Quote from: IndianRed on May 5, 2012, 07:39:35 PM

Just get a poacher like KJH into the side, play him alongside Carroll. Get Suarez playing in a free role behind the two of them and watch them rip defences apart.

I've been thinking this myself, and I do think it's the way forward mate. Suarez and Gerrard cutting infield/powering down the outside from a sort of free role either side of a Carroll-predator combo, tasty. A kind of very fluid 4-3-3, with Gerrard alternately pushing up and dropping back just ahead of a strong central midfield duo when we need numbers in the middle. Carroll's natural game is to come deep hunting for the ball anyway, so it wouldn't leave us too light in midfield with Lucas and another defensively adept tough guy patrolling. Plenty of options anyway if 4 attack-minded players is deemed a bit too much against a certain opposition.

And even in just a standard 4-4-2, Suarez can probably fill that left wing role better than anyone else we have.

Bastion73 · « **Reply #501 on:** May 5, 2012, 08:00:17 PM »

God yes we need more quality options up front but given a decent run he could be one of those options.

Paronomasia · « **Reply #502 on:** May 5, 2012, 08:01:49 PM »

Andy Carroll will be an absolute beast of a player if he is given the opportunity to be one.

Camarero25 · « **Reply #503 on:** May 5, 2012, 08:02:22 PM »

I think he's shown enough recently for him to stay. We still need a top quality striker though, because if we're going in to next season relying on him I'll be very worried.

Y2J · « **Reply #504 on:** May 5, 2012, 08:02:51 PM »

He's becoming the player we paid Newcastle to get, he will come good. Just needs to be played more.

WhiteHeat · « **Reply #505 on:** May 5, 2012, 08:03:45 PM »

Deserved to be a hero today. Let's get some players in who can give him better ammo

isildurrr · « **Reply #506 on:** May 5, 2012, 08:06:32 PM »

Quote from: Vork+The Knights of Good on May 5, 2012, 07:51:06 PM

We have a 23-year-old beast of a man who's showing majors signs of returning to the quickness and control of his Newcastle days, has been one of our best performers for the past two months, and can still improve massively and you're wondering what we do with him? Hmm, let's see.....perhaps we play him.

No doubt but his understanding with suarez is shit.a different type of player would bring more out of suarez which im sure everyone would prefer to build this team around.

i think andy will become a beast...maybe someone like drogba itself...but its not the type of football we should be looking to play

karl1987 · « **Reply #507 on:** May 5, 2012, 08:06:55 PM »

Reina

Johnson Skrtel Agger Enrique

Lucas

Gerrard

Suarez Carroll

gamble · « **Reply #508 on:** May 5, 2012, 08:07:44 PM »

Quote from: WhiteHeat on May 5, 2012, 08:03:45 PM

Deserved to be a hero today. Let's get some players in who can give him better ammo

exactly, just needs the right service. was ready to slash me wrists until he came on, thanks for that andy

karl1987 · « **Reply #509 on:** May 5, 2012, 08:07:52 PM »

Quote from: isildurrr on May 5, 2012, 08:06:32 PM

No doubt but his understanding with suarez is shit.a different type of player would bring more out of suarez which im sure everyone would prefer to build this team around.

i think andy will become a beast...maybe someone like drogba itself...but its not the type of football we should be looking to play

To be honest winning games is all I care about not what type of football we play.

Aleeed# · « **Reply #510 on:** May 5, 2012, 08:09:01 PM »

Need to see more of today from him. He was superb when he came on.

Well in lad, we believe in you.

Michigan Red · « **Reply #511 on:** May 5, 2012, 08:09:48 PM »

Quote from: HighSix on May 5, 2012, 07:57:04 PM

Most on here want us to sign another forward in the poacher/ clinical finisher mold in the summer to play with Suarez so where does Carroll fit in? He is the type of player that needs to play all the time to get the best out of him in regards to form, fitness & confidence I can now see him being a sucess in the premier league but not sure with us.

Carroll fits in right next to the poacher with Suarez playing behind them.

Volante · « **Reply #512 on:** May 5, 2012, 08:11:36 PM »

Quote from: isildurrr on May 5, 2012, 08:06:32 PM

No doubt but his understanding with suarez is shit.a different type of player would bring more out of suarez which im sure everyone would prefer to build this team around.

i think andy will become a beast...maybe someone like drogba itself...but its not the type of football we should be looking to play

I don't understand what you want from their partnership? Do you want them to play like Messi and Alves? The ball goes up to Carroll, he flicks it on or knocks it down and we move forward. 3 points is 3 points any way you get it. Lest we be so quick to forget that it was a Carroll knock down, lay off to gerrard, pass to johnson, lay off for Suarez, cross to Carroll which resulted in not only our best move of the match but was almost the equalizer if not for a great save by Cech.

Kopite72 · « **Reply #513 on:** May 5, 2012, 08:11:55 PM »

Andy Carroll showed more desire and frankly more bollocks than the rest of that team put together. He's took some stick this season, sometimes fairly, sometimes not, but deserves real credit today.

Redsnappa · « **Reply #514 on:** May 5, 2012, 08:12:25 PM »

Played himsrlf into Hodgson's, er, Heroes today I reckon

jackbird_lfc · « **Reply #515 on:** May 5, 2012, 08:12:39 PM »

When he's got that fire in his belly, he's a beast.

When he looks like he can't be arsed, not so much. Should start every game for the rest of the season.

HighSix · « **Reply #516 on:** May 5, 2012, 08:13:18 PM »

Quote from: Michigan Red on May 5, 2012, 08:09:48 PM

Carroll fits in right next to the poacher with Suarez playing behind them.

We would need one hell of a midfield 3 to play that formation.

jfc · « **Reply #517 on:** May 5, 2012, 08:14:30 PM »

Quote from: HighSix on May 5, 2012, 07:57:04 PM

Most on here want us to sign another forward in the poacher/ clinical finisher mold in the summer to play with Suarez so where does Carroll fit in? He is the type of player that needs to play all the time to get the best out of him in regards to form, fitness & confidence I can now see him being a sucess in the premier league but not sure with us.

that's what i was thinking about earlier, it'll be interesting to see what type of striker we'll go for as it's obvious were going to get 1 in perhaps we will go for another young striker like de jong perhaps, but an established one would certainly stunt Carroll's development

Cpt_Reina · « **Reply #518 on:** May 5, 2012, 08:15:16 PM »

We dont need a 'poacher'.

Another wide forward would be just as good.

Carroll
A.N Other Suarez

martinsquirtle · « **Reply #519 on:** May 5, 2012, 08:15:25 PM »

Very proud of him today