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Re: Carroll - A sensible discussion.
« Reply #1400 on: April 3, 2012, 08:24:14 PM »
You can say 'hindsight is great' but plenty of fans voiced their concerns at the time over £35m being spent on Andy Carroll.  At the time I thought Carroll would be a decent enough prospect but wasn't happy about the fee - £20m would've concerned me ffs.  If we'd waited til the summer we could've gotten him for much less or signed a different striker altogether for much less than £35m.  The 'what if Suarez got injured' argument doesn't hold either; we bought Carroll as an injured player so he didn't feature for much of the season anyway.

Andy was overpriced and we made a mistake in buying him when we did.  There's no other way to look at it.  He may eventually start scoring goals again and look like a better player but it won't change that fact. 

From what I've seen of his career with us and Newcastle, unless there's a massive increase in the rate of inflation, he'll never be a £35m striker.
I dont think anyone is in disagreement with any of that.
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Re: Carroll - A sensible discussion.
« Reply #1401 on: April 3, 2012, 08:26:14 PM »
It's difficult talking to somebody who thinks Carroll is worth having its like your watching football with shit in your eyes, the idea of the game is to win like the idea of a striker is to score goals if i'm not going to use goal stats then what shall I use because he hasnt done anything else hes done fuck all, he hasnt created goals he hardly moves he spends more time on the floor he gets abused the way he does because how hes playing.

I've said enough for now, I respect your opinion but mine will never change i'm not a fan one bit.
And yet you decide to enter a debate in a thread entitled Carroll - A Sensible Discussion. Well done Einstein.
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« Reply #1402 on: April 3, 2012, 08:27:29 PM »
You can say 'hindsight is great' but plenty of fans voiced their concerns at the time over £35m being spent on Andy Carroll.  At the time I thought Carroll would be a decent enough prospect but wasn't happy about the fee - £20m would've concerned me ffs.  If we'd waited til the summer we could've gotten him for much less or signed a different striker altogether for much less than £35m.  The 'what if Suarez got injured' argument doesn't hold either; we bought Carroll as an injured player so he didn't feature for much of the season anyway.

Andy was overpriced and we made a mistake in buying him when we did.  There's no other way to look at it.  He may eventually start scoring goals again and look like a better player but it won't change that fact. 

From what I've seen of his career with us and Newcastle, unless there's a massive increase in the rate of inflation, he'll never be a £35m striker.

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Re: Carroll - A sensible discussion.
« Reply #1403 on: April 3, 2012, 08:28:45 PM »
And yet you decide to enter a debate in a thread entitled Carroll - A Sensible Discussion. Well done Einstein.

Oh sorry I forgot that the world sensible meant we couldn't swear  :wave
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Re: Carroll - A sensible discussion.
« Reply #1404 on: April 3, 2012, 08:31:11 PM »
It's difficult talking to somebody who thinks Carroll is worth having its like your watching football with shit in your eyes, the idea of the game is to win like the idea of a striker is to score goals if i'm not going to use goal stats then what shall I use because he hasnt done anything else hes done fuck all, he hasnt created goals he hardly moves he spends more time on the floor he gets abused the way he does because how hes playing.

I've said enough for now, I respect your opinion but mine will never change i'm not a fan one bit.
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Re: Carroll - A sensible discussion.
« Reply #1405 on: April 3, 2012, 08:32:57 PM »
How many goals has Suarez scored how many one on ones missed not to mention his stupid handball when he could have chested the ball over the line, not a murmur in here maybe if his name was Len Smith it might be different hey! Agendas are fun .
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« Reply #1406 on: April 3, 2012, 08:35:22 PM »
What qualities do you think Andy Carroll brings to the team?

We saw what qualities he can bring to any team whilst he was ar Newcastle.

Granted, his qualities havent exactly been there as much while playing our style of football, but lets face it. Our style of football isnt winning matches whether he is playing or not.

Two wingers that will hug the touch line and put in crosses from deep and Andy Carroll shines. Its simple.
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Re: Carroll - A sensible discussion.
« Reply #1407 on: April 3, 2012, 08:35:35 PM »
This is the way i feel,up until recently i was still trying to defend him but he is actually getting worse rather than better.Andy Carroll Liverpools number 9-embarrassing.

I agree with you, how could anybody defend him, yes we all love the club and want the best and he just isn't the solution.

I really wanted us to buy Edison Cavani from Napoli to play alongside Suarez, another big striker but with great movement and ability who also plays alongside Suarez for his country.
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Re: Carroll - A sensible discussion.
« Reply #1408 on: April 3, 2012, 08:36:26 PM »
How many goals has Suarez scored how many one on ones missed not to mention his stupid handball when he could have chested the ball over the line, not a murmur in here maybe if his name was Len Smith it might be different hey! Agendas are fun .

How about what he offers to the team, his general play, the fact that he creates chances for himself, runs himself ragged chasing down defenders? Sure he needs to be more clinical, people have said as much.

Andy Carroll doesn't even come close.

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Re: Carroll - A sensible discussion.
« Reply #1409 on: April 3, 2012, 08:36:53 PM »
How many goals has Suarez scored how many one on ones missed not to mention his stupid handball when he could have chested the ball over the line, not a murmur in here maybe if his name was Len Smith it might be different hey! Agendas are fun .

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« Reply #1410 on: April 3, 2012, 08:37:48 PM »
We saw what qualities he can bring to any team whilst he was ar Newcastle.

Granted, his qualities havent exactly been there as much while playing our style of football, but lets face it. Our style of football isnt winning matches whether he is playing or not.

Two wingers that will hug the touch line and put in crosses from deep and Andy Carroll shines. Its simple.
He doesn't move, spends little time in the box, makes the wrong moves when he bothers etc, etc. What good would crosses do?
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Re: Carroll - A sensible discussion.
« Reply #1411 on: April 3, 2012, 08:38:22 PM »
I agree with you, how could anybody defend him, yes we all love the club and want the best and he just isn't the solution.

I really wanted us to buy Edison Cavani from Napoli to play alongside Suarez, another big striker but with great movement and ability who also plays alongside Suarez for his country.
What if his name was Eddie Cavanagh from Newport? Would you still want him?  :(
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« Reply #1412 on: April 3, 2012, 08:39:03 PM »
I agree with you, how could anybody defend him, yes we all love the club and want the best and he just isn't the solution.

I really wanted us to buy Edison Cavani from Napoli to play alongside Suarez, another big striker but with great movement and ability who also plays alongside Suarez for his country.

Did you even know who Cavani was when we first signed Carroll?

And how would we have lured him here? Go on. Entertain me.
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Re: Carroll - A sensible discussion.
« Reply #1413 on: April 3, 2012, 08:41:33 PM »
How many goals has Suarez scored how many one on ones missed not to mention his stupid handball when he could have chested the ball over the line, not a murmur in here maybe if his name was Len Smith it might be different hey! Agendas are fun .
Seriously how can you compare Suarez to Carroll?If Suarez was put on the transfer list tomorrow clubs would be beating down our doors to sign him.You could hardly say the same about Carroll.
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Re: Carroll - A sensible discussion.
« Reply #1414 on: April 3, 2012, 08:42:35 PM »
I couldn't have put it any better myself.
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Re: Carroll - A sensible discussion.
« Reply #1415 on: April 3, 2012, 08:43:38 PM »
He doesn't move, spends little time in the box, makes the wrong moves when he bothers etc, etc. What good would crosses do?

Just answer me this.

Is the service he gets here as good as the service he got at Newcastle?
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Re: Carroll - A sensible discussion.
« Reply #1416 on: April 3, 2012, 08:44:17 PM »
Did you even know who Cavani was when we first signed Carroll?

And how would we have lured him here? Go on. Entertain me.

Of course I knew who he was I've seen him play for Palermo before he went Napoli,
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Re: Carroll - A sensible discussion.
« Reply #1417 on: April 3, 2012, 08:44:47 PM »
What if his name was Eddie Cavanagh from Newport? Would you still want him?  :(

Don't get this arguement people bring up all the time. I couldn't give a shit what he's called even if it was something like 'Mike Hunt' or 'Phil McCrackin'. aslong as he's good.
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Re: Carroll - A sensible discussion.
« Reply #1418 on: April 3, 2012, 08:47:49 PM »
Just answer me this.

Is the service he gets here as good as the service he got at Newcastle?
I've no idea.

Did he bother moving and getting into the box at Newcastle?
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Re: Carroll - A sensible discussion.
« Reply #1419 on: April 3, 2012, 08:50:44 PM »
Just answer me this.

Is the service he gets here as good as the service he got at Newcastle?

Who's there to cross to? He's never in the box.

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Re: Carroll - A sensible discussion.
« Reply #1420 on: April 3, 2012, 08:55:52 PM »
Who's there to cross to? He's never in the box.
When he is, he'd be better off with stilts on and having a rubber neck to enable him to reach those over hit, floated balls in.
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Re: Carroll - A sensible discussion.
« Reply #1421 on: April 3, 2012, 08:57:39 PM »
How about what he offers to the team, his general play, the fact that he creates chances for himself, runs himself ragged chasing down defenders? Sure he needs to be more clinical, people have said as much.

Andy Carroll doesn't even come close.

A clear case of double standards. Suarez has scored 0.698 goals per game for Ajax, 0.490 goals per game for Uruguay, and only 0.356 goals per game for LFC. Yet, we have somehow accepted that he is not prolific, and we are perfectly fine with that. If you are willing to find excuses for Suarez, you should be willing to find excuses for Carroll. They are both LFC players, have arrived at the club at the same time, and they are both struggling to find their best goalscoring form. Any other approach is a hypocrisy.

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Re: Carroll - A sensible discussion.
« Reply #1422 on: April 3, 2012, 09:00:33 PM »
When he is, he'd be better off with stilts on and having a rubber neck to enable him to reach those over hit, floated balls in.
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Re: Carroll - A sensible discussion.
« Reply #1423 on: April 3, 2012, 09:01:40 PM »
How many goals has Suarez scored how many one on ones missed not to mention his stupid handball when he could have chested the ball over the line, not a murmur in here maybe if his name was Len Smith it might be different hey! Agendas are fun .

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« Reply #1424 on: April 3, 2012, 09:01:50 PM »
Of course I knew who he was I've seen him play for Palermo before he went Napoli,
with 35mill? haha

I said how could we have got him to come and play for us. Not how could we afford him.

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Re: Carroll - A sensible discussion.
« Reply #1425 on: April 3, 2012, 09:03:30 PM »
Who's there to cross to? He's never in the box.

Maybe thats because he has to drop deep because he`s so fucking isolated....and when he does get there the ball goes anywhere apart from fucking towards the lad....what makes me laugh is when people harp on about all these quality balls played into dangerous areas...if there`s no c*nt on the end of it how good is the ball??, Nah half you cock ends are just pissed off because we didnt buy Cavani or Aguero...fucking fairweather dont even cover it.

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Re: Carroll - A sensible discussion.
« Reply #1426 on: April 3, 2012, 09:06:46 PM »
A clear case of double standards. Suarez has scored 0.698 goals per game for Ajax, 0.490 goals per game for Uruguay, and only 0.356 goals per game for LFC. Yet, we have somehow accepted that he is not prolific, and we are perfectly fine with that. If you are willing to find excuses for Suarez, you should be willing to find excuses for Carroll. They are both LFC players, have arrived at the club at the same time, and they are both struggling to find their best goalscoring form. Any other approach is a hypocrisy.

It's really not mate.

You only have to watch the games to see how much better Suarez is than Carroll. For one he shows determination, busts a gut and gives his all when he's on the pitch. Suarez may be struggling to find his best goal scoring form, but he's still our top scorer isn't he? On top of that, he has assists to add to that, and as stated his general play is excellent.



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Re: Carroll - A sensible discussion.
« Reply #1427 on: April 3, 2012, 09:10:11 PM »
Maybe thats because he has to drop deep because he`s so fucking isolated....and when he does get there the ball goes anywhere apart from fucking towards the lad....what makes me laugh is when people harp on about all these quality balls played into dangerous areas...if there`s no c*nt on the end of it how good is the ball??, Nah half you cock ends are just pissed off because we didnt buy Cavani or Aguero...fucking fairweather dont even cover it.

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Sums up Andy Carroll. Intead of running into the box, he goes the other way. In the same game, Suarez wont the ball floated ball across goal, Andy wasn't even making an attempt to even get to the ball. Just stood outside the box.

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Re: Carroll - A sensible discussion.
« Reply #1428 on: April 3, 2012, 09:10:43 PM »
I've no idea.

Did he bother moving and getting into the box at Newcastle?
His charge into the box, before going down, is the first flash of the Andy Carroll we had I've seen since he signed for you (admittedly i don't watch you much mind). He seems devoid of confidence, and, without having a stab at dalglish, which the media seem to be enjoying at the min, I think the decision to withdraw him yesterday was terrible.

My opinion (fwiw!), the 'he needs Long balls' view is a load of shit, he's far better than that, we were not a long ball team when we had him, what he needs is a better delivery from wide areas. Joey Barton on the right  was awesome for
Carroll. Get someone who can deliver a good ball fr
Wide and you'll reap the rewards.

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« Reply #1429 on: April 3, 2012, 09:11:15 PM »
When you spend 35mil on a front man, you have to build a team around him, and that will bring the best out of him.

And we just havent done that.
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« Reply #1430 on: April 3, 2012, 09:13:43 PM »
Carroll's a daft, indisciplined, lad. He's nowhere near what a good pro should be. He was getting there but had to be looked after like a spoilt child. That said, play to his strengths and provide the support and reassurances he needs and he can be destructive.

You've bought a shit winger (Downing) to provide for him and if he's not being used as the focal point of your attack then I don't see the point in playing him. You play to Suarez who can be fantastic but who is greedy and clearly has no rapport with Carroll - Toshack and Keegan it ain't.

Don't compare the price tag to the ability; you did ok out of Chelsea (we did even better). Sadly, I think you need to off load Carroll, he looks unhappy and you don't have the time to give him the time he needs.

KD left him out to dry when he took him off. That was serious bad man management and could be seen as a sign that KD has almost given up on him and certainly isn't giving him any further protection or support in the face of criticism. Left to his own devices Carroll will certainly fail.

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Re: Carroll - A sensible discussion.
« Reply #1431 on: April 3, 2012, 09:14:25 PM »
When you spend 35mil on a front man, you have to build a team around him, and that will bring the best out of him.

And we just havent done that.

We spent an extra £27m with Adam and Downing for him.
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Re: Carroll - A sensible discussion.
« Reply #1432 on: April 3, 2012, 09:15:53 PM »
Of course I knew who he was I've seen him play for Palermo before he went Napoli,
with 35mill? haha
Isn't google handy is he right footed, left footed or both was he playing in a good team in Palermo?
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« Reply #1433 on: April 3, 2012, 09:17:23 PM »
We spent an extra £27m with Adam and Downing for him.
And Henderson? Is this actually true though?
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« Reply #1434 on: April 3, 2012, 09:17:48 PM »
We spent an extra £27m with Adam and Downing for him.

Yeah because Downing's delivery has been top notch hasnt it.

And Charlie Adam's set pieces have been everything they were at Blackpool.
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« Reply #1435 on: April 3, 2012, 09:18:42 PM »
Isn't google handy is he right footed, left footed or both was he playing in a good team in Palermo?

Boring comments.
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« Reply #1436 on: April 3, 2012, 09:18:54 PM »
And Henderson? Is this actually true though?

If we didn't get Carroll you reckon we would still have gone in for them? I don't know to be honest. But I assumed Kenny thought Downing's crosses and Adam's free kicks and corners would suit Carroll
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« Reply #1437 on: April 3, 2012, 09:20:17 PM »
Boring comments.

Got you figured out though hasn't he?
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« Reply #1438 on: April 3, 2012, 09:20:25 PM »
Suarez has been ten times the player Andy Carroll has this season and if you can't see that then you must be watching a different team!
No same one as you with two strikers not doing their job very well not just one. But keep the excuses up for Luis while you slate Andy can I add which is supposed to be the experienced guy used to big games and clubs and which one is still a kid learning how to cope with a big club, I am getting to enjoy this negative agenda stuff I can see why some of you do it all day.
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« Reply #1439 on: April 3, 2012, 09:23:14 PM »
Got you figured out though hasn't he?

It's got nothing figured out how would you know that i'm googling players, your just boring me because the discussion is no longer about Carroll.

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